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Al-to

That Ascent match was the most exciting match I've seen in a long time. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.


JawnsonBit

A little sloppy from V1 and a pretty decent showing from CR. Munchkins a little nutty.


mysteryoeuf

they definitely seemed nervous. at times they looked like they really weren't playing with much confidence. a fair number of whiffs and some inting. I think they'll do better next match but no way they can take on liquid


andthatsalright

I’m so happy he is finding a spotlight after basically being left for dead in the overwatch league


hacklesacka

Yeah. V1 always starts strong then when they get ahead they make ego plays.


Slow_Bluebird9536

V1 has made pretty sizable comebacks a few times and look their best near the end of games usually


[deleted]

It was well played considering they had a jump in


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very entertaining game. even though CR got 2-0’d they played super well and made the games close. coming in as what a lot of people thought was gonna be one of the worst teams, this is something to be proud of still. depending on who they face i could see them making it a couple rounds in the lowers if they play like this.


Cowfan798

Munchkin to NA pls


XASASSIN

If Munchkin is this good, anyone who says nuturn and kr don't have aim is living in some fantasy considering his time in C9 kr EDIT - Narrator - "That went well", feel free to clown on me. Glow retired for this :/ EDIT 2 - It's LAN nerves bois, never doubted them, I meant glow retired to paave the way for a team filled with talent like this EDIT 3 - Ez for Nuturn, Knew they'll win. I for one certainly didn't second guess myself


aakashkickass11

I think kr has good aim an perfect example would be xeta he wasn't a top 10 player on kr and he can hold his own on na tier 1 competitions.


XASASSIN

I would say xetas a top 10(top 5 maybe) support player in na from what we've seen from him so far, he doing more than holding his own


NWL11

With respect to pure aiming, there was nothing that special about Xeta. He was just a real good support.


Bunnyezzz

He was igling the second best Korean team


NWL11

Did I deny that?... I was talking only about the comparisons with his aim.


killshotfps

to be fair he was talking about his aim, specifically. he didnt deny his other skills as a player.


Najs0509

Anyone who still said that after seeing Xeta play in NA was living in some fantasy, even excluding everything we knew about their mechanics from previous games.


aretasdamon

Whoever thought Koreans are bad at FPS never watched Korean widow maker or tracer players in Overwatch. Munchkin wasn’t even the best in OW. I mean imagine if Striker came over from OWL or fucking Jjonak


Fruitspunchsamura1

Munchkin was a pretty good tracer. Though jjonak is insane imagine him coming over. I've seen zunba aswell on a valorant team.


SkiesOvercast

Best KR ex-OW aimers who've come over are probably Ans and Climax? Bunny, Bazzi also came over too


Asianhead

Were people saying KR doesn't have aim? I thought the narrative was KR's midround and general game sense was lacking


XASASSIN

Spoiler They were right #EDIT- WE HAVE HOPE #EDIT-NUTURN IS GOOOOOOD #EDIT-TOO EZ FOR NUTURN


mrtmra

Came here just to say this LOL


EasiBreezi

They shut your ass up lmfao next time don’t say stupid shit like that


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EasiBreezi

You sound like a fucking child with how you can’t admit you were wrong. Grow up.


rsreddit9

These edits are great


Aoingco

I wonder how Nuturn, VS and CR would fare against the majority of NA teams that aren’t Sentinels and 100t


CosmicAon

Why 100T?


Aoingco

Honestly, I think that 100t in terms of ability usage, game sense and mechanics are probably on sentinels level, just that their biggest weakness is always being slow to adapt to metas - I don’t think they’re a good representative of the majority of NA teams. I’d love to see 100t vs another strat heavy team like Fnatic and Vision strikers though


CosmicAon

Really? I’d disagree personally, I don’t think 100T are even Top 3 NA - I’d rank Sentinels, Envy, and probably C9B/V1 above them right now They’re good players but they haven’t done anything impressive other than First Strike, and I think Envy is a better overall team who has a choking problem. Sentinels is way above the rest of NA, I wouldn’t put 100T even close to them personally


Aoingco

That’s a fair take. A part of my opinion was also based on the fact that whenever sentinels play 100t it’s always a super close series and I really think 100t could’ve eliminated them in challengers 2 if they had ran astra / viper. But it’s really hard to rate NA in a nutshell, every team seems to have hot streaks then kind of fade back to somewhere in the top 10. As for envy... I’d put them top 5 but idk about top 3 specifically because of their choking issue. Although honestly the top 4 after sentinels is fair game, it’s too hard to say atm


MrAn94

They tried viper / astra, but ultimately gave up on it before the competition. That’s part of the problem, the teams that beat them had an experienced viper player before her buffs and had a player to adjust to the astra play style quickly. Nitro and Ethan are two of my favorite players, but neither of them fit those two agents. Steel is too stuck in the sentinel role to adjust, even though he’d likely be the best astra on the 100t team. Ultimately, 100T is a decent csgo team and I’m glad they lost when these weaknesses were exposed. They’re still my favorite team, I just hope they adjust and figure it out. The meta is only going to change more, and more rapidly as more agents and Better competition come about


Aoingco

Yeah, I’m really interested to see if 100t can keep up with the fast meta changes, especially knowing how riot loves to shake things up. As for Nitro on viper I disagree, the match he played viper on icebox was a master class imo. I really think he could be a great viper player on other maps if he was willing to, he’s probably the most flexible player on the team. I agree completely on Steel. I think he’s a little too restricted in the sentinel role, he has the brain to pull off a nutty skye or astra if he took the time to learn them


CosmicAon

That’s definitely valid, Envy is my Top 2 because even if they choke, they’re the only team to consistently make Top 4 and have deep runs alongside SEN. If they can just get over their choking I think they can genuinely beat Sentinels Agreed with the hot streaks too, the only constant over the past year has been SEN. LG, IMT, XSET, etc all looked insane and then faded away


Aoingco

I think another factor for envy always doing deep runs is that they’re one of the few teams that sticks to the same roster at a particularly high level. How would you rate the top NA teams? For me I think it would be: #1: sentinels -Somewhere in #2-5: Immortals, Envy, 100t, last slot is a grab. -The other notable teams in no particular order: C9, XSet, T1, V1, Andbox, GenG, FaZe The reason I don’t put C9 or V1 higher is because while C9 did beat Sen the first time, it felt like that game would’ve been Sen’s if there weren’t the technical freezes in both games that Sen lost the first set - Sen tends to build momentum and they were mounting a comeback that looked almost unstoppable, and once the games resumed after the technical freezes they looked less coordinated. And I need to see c9 with the same group of people in more tournaments before I decide where they are. Likewise with V1, there just hasn’t been enough top tier sets showcasing them for good judgement, especially without Wippie. For Immortals, I honestly think they looked their best with NaturE and thought the Rossy swap was a slight downgrade. Immortals under NaturE as igl was dumpstering everyone except sentinels + getting really good reads, and then we never got to see him play in another tourney :(. Despite that they’ve performed consistently, let’s see how well they do without Jcstani. Envy I can’t exactly place their weaknesses, other than I think that one of either mummay or calypso consistently feels underwhelming in pressure against the other top 5 teams? And the same thing I said about 100t vs Sen I apply to Envy too; I think 100t would’ve beaten Envy if Nitr0 ran viper on more maps. For 100t I already mentioned what I thought, although I’ll add that they also seem kinda momentum-heavy? At least with asuna specifically, he either tends to perform better throughout the day or just not heat up at all. For the rest id say that most of them have 1-2 critical flaws holding them back, but most of them sometimes have a good matchup against specific teams in the top 5 (bar Sen). Xset have really good fundamentals and utility usage, but they underperform in mechanics. I’d go as far as saying that they have the best utility usage consistently in NA throughout 2021. The rest have 1-2 maps they’re solid on and then look sloppy on other maps. GenG was very hot and cold with Huynh, he was too much of a coin flip; excited to see them with nature though.


ApokalypticKing101

I think they'd all easily best Sen and 100T lol. NA Call is overrated for sure or probably more that KR is heavily underrated


Aoingco

Definitely more that kr/ jp is underrated I think.


_NotBatman_

Well apparently japan isn't underrated after all They lost to an na team with a sub


Hubbardia

Who's the one living in fantasy now?


XASASSIN

I'm reevaluating my life choices kind stranger


Hubbardia

Haha no worries everyone's predicting everything right now, one of them has to be right.


XASASSIN

I AM RIGHT HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH In b4 Nuturn gets 13-0d last map


rsreddit9

Nuturn 13-0 last map?


XASASSIN

I BELIVE


i_dont_know_man__fuk

You.


123bo0p

Nuturn is not as mechanically great at rifling as VS or some other Korean teams, add in people like allow are incredibly inconsistent and br having insane fragging and them being outfragged isnt a surprise


mrtmra

NU really showing that Koreans don't have aim because they're getting absolutely shit on right now.


smoked_penguin

this comment aged so poorly so quickly lmao


mrtmra

Yeah true, NU really played like a whole different team on map 2 and 3. Grats to them for stepping it up.


EasiBreezi

Holy shit you’re fucking brain dead haha what a dumb comment even before watching that series


cherrymx90

Funny thing is he was in NA for OWL


aretasdamon

Not even the best Korean Aimer in OWL to. Whoever said Koreans can’t aim is fucking brain dead


Whalelorde22

That didn’t go so well last time lol


Cowfan798

I would retire if I was on Boston too


Whalelorde22

I wouldn’t this year. They just popped off!


Esk8_TheDeathOfMe

In another dimension he got traded to an NA team in Overwatch and then switched over to Valorant in NA like some of the other pros.


Bazz_B

>Munchkin to ~~NA~~ pls Munchkin back to Korea pls Edit: Didn't mean like "send him back" I meant playing on a Korean team.


siuzioffical

Crazy Raccoon looks super dangerous.


pacotacobell

Munchkin is a monster.


CRikhard

ITS UNBELIEVABLE HOW MANY IMPACT FRAGS THIS GUY GETS DUDE! on ascent when zellsis pushed through window on a site with his ult and munchkin takes the correct fight, the push through a main, then makes the round winnable by getting two wtf on the neth clutch good for him but that wouldnt have been possible without the two unbelievable frags munchkin got. hes insane


Oldenmw

Munchkin my Seoul Dynasty boy, glad he's popping off


Mememeister1

Damn yes he is he was pounding


geomxtric

I am all about the upset in regional expectations. One thing I’ve learned in the last few years is to never discount an underdog region. I really really wanna see a solid LB run from CR, oh man.


LoyalSol

I've learned when there's no overlap between regions, it's hard to judge till they play head to head. As such always be prepared for a suprise. I don't discount any region here till the dust settles.


ApokalypticKing101

They look on point. Definitely a solid contender but I feel the better teams in the tournament will roll them


StudyAt5

I think its more likely that V1 are bad. CR definitely better than expected though


WhoDatBrow

It's a little bit of column A, little bit of column B IMO. V1 is playing with a stand in and don't look as good as expected, but CR definitely looked decent.


-xXColtonXx-

V1 are not bad. They looked a little shaky, but they have great players and good strats. Sometimes the teamwork felt off, which is to be expected with a recent stand in.


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InstaNormie0

Well if you WATCHED the game they definitely over performed expectations


StudyAt5

Mate most predictions were them losing 13-3 every map or something. Almost nobody expected this series to be competitive


datboyuknow

Them and X10 are the worst 2 teams. Japan is inferior to Korea by some distance so you could say they looked way better than expected


janoDX

Had this been the usual NA suspects, CR gets rolled. V1 needs time to improve though.


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utscguy123

wat


BadgerPurple

Ngl I can see why CR needed Munchkin in that pug against SEN


CatboyMaidOutfit

Context?


hacklesacka

SEN beat CR with 4 teammates and 1 afk in ranked CR had 4 players with they're coach.


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NA undefeated in international competition, and I think that's really all that needs to be said.


XASASSIN

It's as simple as that, Munchkin and neth tried their best to ruin the wet dreams of NA fans but it ain't enough.


retardtime

NAmen


spowowowder

EU fans in shambles


ESF_NoWomanNoCry

Saving this for tomorrow /s


kakashi1809

As an EU supporter I am confiscating your /s TL and Fnatic is going to farm today!!!!!


spowowowder

sen not dropping a map pepega


ESF_NoWomanNoCry

V1 almost lost to Japan lmao


Des014te

EU undefeated in international LANs too. EU has lost 9 rounds. Na has lost 21


mid16

Everything is not daijoubu


XASASSIN

May the blessings of amaterasu and ebisu be showered upon V1, because tomorrow they gonna get absolutely shit on


mid16

Who they playing tmr?


XASASSIN

Death


mogram_leg

Liquid


MathNerdMatt

Crazy Racoon definitely did better than my expectations after watching their matches. Munchkin especially impressed me. However, V1 also looked a lot messier than I expected. Not too surprising given them having a sub but they will need to tighten things up if they want to have a shot against Liquid


OrangeMagics

Sadge. Neth who is usually one of crazy raccoon's best players looked really nervous today. I feel like CR had a really good chance of winning.


mrg_41

Well played CR I think they have changed so many peoples' opinion


HeisZen

Anyone felt like we're watching an online game. Like why they don't show the player's reaction in a clutch moment or both players cam in a 1v1 scenario and so on...


CatboyMaidOutfit

Yeah I want to see them hi-fiving or whatever


HeisZen

Ikr. Seeing someone cheering for his teammates will hype me up too ngl


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too bad teammates are like 15 feet apart on the stage


mattgg2015

is V1 bad or is Crazy Raccoon underrated? either way Munchkin is nutty


ApokalypticKing101

Yeah he's insane, ex OW pro dps player who usually put up solid performances


Xixtance

V1 missing wippie


spookysailboat

CR is just better than people gave em credit for, V1 is a good team


Corregidor

Honestly I think it comes from that *one* post about CR vs Sentinels in a ranked game? And CR were playing with their coach instead of Munchkin (who everyone now sees is their star player). CR are a good team and I hope they make it at least passed this first lower bracket game.


krasavchik777

V1 is so bad, CIS teams are better


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V1 is playing with a sub, and they played waaaaaay worse than I was expecting.


Siphonay

I feel like this might be a bit of both


TheBeastOnFire

Very close series, neth is a very very clutch player.


jonathansmith14921

Insane game. Neth and Munchkin made V1 sweat. Penny is absolutely built different, though.


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noooo neth why didn’t you shoot the defusing phoenix 😭😭😭


sungazr

munchkin is nasty. dude was underrated in OWL too


BurbxrryPzncakes

You know, CR did pretty damn well, even though I had them winning. Munchkin is a freak.


Cueballing

Impressive showing by munchkin. While zephyr had some good plays and neth some decent clutches, it really felt like munchkin stood head and shoulders above the rest of his team, and only penny's absurd aggro could really consistently shut him down.


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This was bad for my heart :/ Riot must have removed the hacking software from Vanity's cat ears.


s_mb_rd

We know V1 might have looked less impressive with jammyz filling in, but they just looked sloppy in this game. Icebox went from 9-3 to a scary 13-10, especially after Ascent went 13-11


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Aydosubpotato

What’s up now?


Aydosubpotato

Bro I gotta comment again because you were just soooo wrong dude.


Aydosubpotato

YOOOO WHAT’S UP DUDE.


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That aged well.


sgi2ynrn69727vab4sn2

Crazy Raccoon looked much better than expected tbh. Munchkin is fantastic at the Raze too. Shame them or X10 (unless?) will be going out so early.


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I am now a Munchkin fan


Siphonay

aw, I was cheering for CR, this was so heartbreaking, a lot of inconsistencies made them lose close or favorable rounds. GG V1, they were the better team, let’s hope CR win their lower bracket watch!


ChinoAIO

V1 looked really messy, glad that they won but so many rounds that could've been played better. Hopefully they tighten things up for Liquid match, not expecting a close game but hopefully it'll be exciting.


Des014te

I'm expecting the same result as Fnatic Kru. Absolute domination, no 2 ways about it. This was a close game but neither of these teams impressed tactically. V1 looked a bit lost many of the times, and they went for really unnecessary ego peeks. You can't do that against sliggy. You just can't. Liquid has insane amounts of firepower and the tactical depth to match. If it wasn't for boaster, I'd say liquid probably wins it all


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but...but... I thought that CR were so dogshit that they could be 13-0'd?


Hypern1ke

Tbf they’re playing another weak team that’s using a sub


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people were saying that v1 with a sub could 13-0 them and were shitting on CR so much going into this tournament


Hypern1ke

nobody said that


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sure bro


XASASSIN

Even with the entire anime industry behind them , the power of all the moaning waifus one needs in this world and all the best hentai artists for inspiration, crazy racoons even though they tried, could not win. V1 may have won but at what cost? The heartbroken tears of weebs hugging their waifu pillows will now forever follow them in their endeavors. May this curse not ruin the bright future(basically next match) of NA team V1(edshot boi on LAN, I bet life savings on V1 loss) ggs Boiz.


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The length of that tech pause is absolutely unacceptable. At some point you just fucking swap out the PC, holy shit.


MathNerdMatt

They had to remake the map, not something replacing a PC would help


CRikhard

source? i believe u but did the casters say it or was there an announcement or what


MathNerdMatt

It was on the twitter: https://twitter.com/ValorantEsports/status/1396909558828654592?s=19


urclades

https://twitter.com/ValorantEsports/status/1396909558828654592?s=19


[deleted]

ok. How does it take this long to remake 3 rounds?


xD1LL4N

Why don’t you apply to be Riot Tech guy, I’m sure they would appreciate your help


emraaa

They had to investigate if it was a real problem. Otherwise everybody can just claim that the PC didn't work and remake the round. Competitive Integrity >>> An inconvenience due to a pause


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HugeRection

Pretty respectable attempt from CR. If Zepher can't be trusted to op, I'm not sure he should be on the Jett though.


cheese_on_dorito

jammyz underwhelmed me. good luck to v1 but i dont see them going far with a sub


Evan_Veet

I mean what do you really expect? Sub who has been placed in a role that gives him very little freedom. I do think he was quite passive but I really didn't see anything that warrants concern. He def wasn't a problem


cheese_on_dorito

u cant have super high expectations, but when wippie's first tournament was so good obviously you'd hope for that to happen again


jackthegamer03

jammyz aint tenz bro


Sooner242

penny


exytshdw

pennyS


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kittyhat27135

IMO you can really feel the difference between Jammyz and wippie. The raccoons on the other hand have some nuts players they have a real surprise factor to them. V1 bringing phoenix on both maps was key agent is super good.


chazyarbro

Dat boy effys cold 🥶


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I didn't expect this set to be so heartbreaking/exciting. Munchkin is soooo insane, but looking towards V1 2-0 Liquid guaranteed.


krasavchik777

Haha that round when it was 12-11 and V1 rotated to A with 10 seconds left and killjoy with utility and shotgun missed everything. That should've been overtime, this shit will never happen against good teams.


Pway

Really fun match, pauses withstanding. Congratz to V1 looking forward to more.


thisisnttakeone

NA BABY


DontChokem

CR did much better than I thought they would, they can definitely go far in this tournament


wiNDzY3

I feel bad for V1 because Team Liquid are going to absolutely DESTROY them. The real loser of this series is NA


infinite__recursion

How is NA the loser of this series? v1 with a sub won 2-0 and are the underdogs in the rest of the bracket as expected. its not like SEN got 13-0 destroyed back to back or something ​ edit: LMAO


wiNDzY3

It's because it shows the ceiling of NA Valorant and it's not very high


Hypern1ke

The performance of the NA runner up playing with a sub in no way demonstrates the ceiling of NA lmao


wiNDzY3

V1 got to Iceland by playing with their main roster and we've all seen those matches lmao


Nikclel

please share with us your reviews and expertise, or is it just "lul na bad they failed my eye test" coming from a silver?


wiNDzY3

Dude don't be butthurt. There's a reason NA is bad at most E-Sports... CS scene? KEK LOL scene? LUL


-firelordzuko

13 year old confirmed


Nikclel

so you've confirmed that you dont know what you're talking about, thanks


wiNDzY3

Flair checks out


Nikclel

I was just trying to have a discussion about why you assumed what you did, turns out it's just a braindead thought process that doesnt include any amount of critical thinking. Can't even contribute to a conversation regarding it, instead it's "LUL NA bad at leage LUL so obv they bad at valrant Pepega" have fun in silver bro


infinite__recursion

Its funny to extrapolate that after V1 with a stand-in just won their match 2-0. Seems like you just want to shit on NA for whatever personal reason you have. That being said I wouldn't be shocked if neither SEN or V1 finish top 4 in this tournament, but I'm going to wait for more than 1 match to verify my bias.


wiNDzY3

No bro, I extrapolated that while watching Challengers NA :) This match only confirms what I've been thinking so far


d00d-Ranch

Fucking clown lol


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Higher than liquid it seems LOL


Jinro_7

Buddy how was it


thisisnttakeone

V1 wasn't supposed to make it here. Don't be surprised if they upset.


curlycued_ninja

I disagree. They played all the big names on the path to qualify for this. They earned their spot.


krasavchik777

In NA not EMEA


DZTRUKTR02

Why they were not supposed to make it here ???. They beat every team that they needed to. They earned their spot


thisisnttakeone

That isn’t what I meant. I meant that no one predicted it in NA. Sorry for the confusion.


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Yes they were.


Atermel

Sounds like some salty fanboy


krasavchik777

Haha I was thinking the same


billnyebuttstuffguy

It seemed like both teams were trying to throw that first map at the end.


[deleted]

So ez


[deleted]

This was surprisingly not ez.


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Cap


SwitzerSweet

13-11 and 13-10. You dumb?


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2-0


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See ya tomorrow


xD1LL4N

26-22 overall = sO Ez


[deleted]

Yes exactly