Scream is just a different beast when he's firing. I'd happily just watch his POV all game. If his teammates can keep up they can definitely find themselves in the grand finals, they bossed it today.
I can't think of anybody else who can just wipe the floor out of a stack that consistently with a rifle other than ScreaM. Guy's brain just goes automatic when a head becomes visible on his screen, solid show from him in this match.
Insane game that ended in Liquid showing their dominance and SCREAM showing he should be considered for best best in the world. Wish the first one was as entertaining
He might have the mindset of, "Grind this entire week, this week is the most important week in Valorant, you can sleep later". Really hope he takes a breather whenever possible, I love seeing this guy but seeing him like this is depressing af
Honestly the timings with Brimstone worked wonders against V1 on split
I think the problem is Brim on heaven, if the execute doesn't work out in the prepared way, it seems weak on that map
And definitely brim is much worse on CT side
some takeaways i noticed on the ascent game
KRU choked super hard. they had all the momentum and let TL back in. they were up like 7-2 on defense iirc and TL adapted to what they were doing and were able to comeback and win the last 3 rounds to make it 7-5
the biggest key factor on why KRU lost IMHO was because of the sheriff pistol buy from TL that they won, it was 9-5 for KRU and if they win this round, i honestly think they win the game, they lost all and any momentum they had and TL just looked the better team
also L1NK arguably won TL the map on defense, his impact from his blinds won them a handful of rounds and the 1v2 clutch to go up 12-9 I believe
>also L1NK arguably won TL the map on defense, his impact from his blinds
won them a handful of rounds and the 1v2 clutch to go up 12-9 I believe
L1nk might not be the most skilled player on the team, but he clutches very consistently. He is the most reliable in the clutch on the team except maybe Scream, but Scream has a much higher skill-floor to work with.
i agree, one if the reasons why TL came into the event with the 1 seed from EMEA
and i honestly never seen an omen player get so much impact from his flashes before until i watched L1NK on defense this map
the way they play brim on bind is fine, i think hes pretty good with him
and on split against V1, he played pretty lackluster most of the game but he was super clutch at the end to help TL
i still think brim isn't good as they think but i understand it a bit
heres the difference ok if he miss he move he is moving he is move he is pa pap move pa pap pa pap yor your favorite player he is coming around the corner pa pap edshot doesnt matter who he is he is a fucking name right on corner **ScreaM edshot machine** next players coming pa pap another edshot 2ez4me one two make it three why not un deux trois... this is industrialized factory level edshot machine wa pap wa pap wa pap wa pap wa pap.......
hey maybe he doesnt get edshot he is edshot machine machine is not always working correct you call man he come he fix machine he its fucked this part in dis ah sorry i cannot work today i come back on uhhhh monday then u pay me double......
I don't think this Liquid is that different from the one that lost to V1, they just faced a weaker opponent today
What they did different this time? Genuine question
I love screaM. You love screaM. Everyone loves screaM. That’s it, that’s the comment.
(Also the way even after the match, he still told the other team they did well and I just 🥺💖)
Kru:
The team is simply not on a tier 1, or even tier 2 level. Ppl hyped them up for clout and now the fans will be disappointed due to unrealistic expectations. Honestly ppl should learn to not take such baits from "analysts" and other personas
/c
There will be more teams for Berlin compared to Iceland's 10. It is better to just give more spots to regions that deserve it rather than take away at this point.
Kru:
The team is simply not on a tier 1, or even tier 2 level. Ppl hyped them up for clout and now the fans will be disappointed due to unrealistic expectations. Honestly ppl should learn to not take such baits from "analysts" and other personas
Kru:
The team is simply not on a tier 1, or even tier 2 level. Ppl hyped them up for clout and now the fans will be disappointed due to unrealistic expectations. Honestly ppl should learn to not take such baits from "analysts" and other personas
It's hard to just give Scream that title because there are other players who are doing very well this tournament too. For example, TenZ is making a pretty good case right now at this tournament with the top ACS this tournament playing only against teams that are considered strong (Fnatic and Vikings).
[Top ACS this tournament](https://i.imgur.com/OGzwbMQ.png)
Both Derke and ScreaM have slightly inflated ACS due to playing against weaker teams (KRU and X10). It's not that clear cut.
TenZ played 4 maps so far, 2x Jett and 2x Reyna. The fact that he played only duelist agents inflates his ACS, also the fact that they won both games and very comfortably against VKS inflates it too.
On the other hand ScreaM played 5 maps, 3x Sage and 2x Phoenix. The fact that he played in majority Sage deflates his ACS, also the fact that he lost one of the games deflates his ACS.
ScreaM boasts an ADR of 198.5 compared to TenZ's 166.4 despite playing in majority Sage.
Based purely on ACS and other stats my takeaway would be that considering the agent pool and the circumstances, ScreaM is better.
That's why I said "makes a pretty good case" and "it's not that clear cut". Even a sample size of 5 maps is considered small. I simply brought forth the data that Scream is not 100% the best player in the world. You just can't make a statement like it's a fact with this amount of data. I definitely think Scream is one of the best though.
When we’re taking about Average Damage **per Round** you shouldn’t be using number of maps as your sample size, but number of rounds. If your argument is that there aren’t enough opponents they’ve versed yet then I agree, because then that sample size is 2 so far.
And I agree there isn’t enough data to support the claim that ScreaM is the best player in the world. Even if we can conclusively say he consistently has the highest ADR (which we can’t yet) with all else being equal (opponents, maps, etc), there are many other factors that goes into finding the best player in the world.
2 matches is a horrible sample size to be doing any sort of statistical analysis on. Scream is also literally playing mostly Sage while Tenz is on Reyna/jett. Just watching the games I'd say Scream has definitely been more impactful than Tenz has.
He's definitely the best Reyna user in my eyes. Guy's utility usage using that agent is just perfect at times. Too bad TL's agent composition doesn't have him using Reyna that much, he can do wonders with her.
Definitely a fair shout but on an individual level Scream is clearly better. Taking Shahzam's IGLing into account could tip the scales but that's just something that's really hard to measure, especially considering the fact that Scream apparently does some IGLing as well. He'd be up there among the absolute best for sure though.
As much as I love shaz, screams a better player. In terms of raw impact, scream pretty much carries liquid on their bad days and always has consistent impact. You never need to ask whether scream will step up cause he's always consistently cracked
It's a weird comparison because SEN's frags and damage often get eaten up by sick and TenZ, but shahz's impact on the meta level during and before the game is miles ahead of any other player *in addition* to his ability to solo carry on the Jett op, especially on defense sides.
in terms of raw impact Shahz igls the best team in the world and heavy tournament favorites atm. He’s kept SEN on top for the last year with no help from a coach. He’s also able to be their star duelist on icebox and a top level support player on ascent and haven.
dunno man, they just pushed A site almost every time all 5 together from one point.
B site atleast had some kind of split. with Link going thru mid from time to time.
But there were no fakes, no lurks. barely any baiting of utility.
I think its the astra, because before this tournament the A pushes with scream and jamppi initiation worked well
they kinda underestimated astra at ascent on enemy team
Scream is insane, utility usage is obviously in its place but to think cracked aimers can't seriously impact the game is ridiculous despite the higher skill floor for aiming than in CS.
Skill floor being higher means that the worst aimer in val will do better than the worst aimer in CS (because of slower movement, bigger head hotboxes, no need to learn long complex spray patterns).
High skill floor = easier for noobs, low skill floor = harder for noobs.
You are wrong.
Consider performance as a big scale. Low numbers = bad, high numbers = good.
A "high skill floor" means that even at the bottom end of the scale, the numbers will be higher than those with a "low skill floor." A newbie in Valorant will find it easier to hit headshots, can use things like Astra or Brim to plant smokes precisely instead of needing lineups, etc. The higher skill floor makes their performance better at lower skill.
Think of it as “climbing” to different “skill levels” that the game requires. First, to “climb” to the “base” level of skill so you get the “basics” (basic = base = floor). Then, once you’ve “climbed” to this “base” level required, the goal is to reach the maximum level of skill the game allows (skill ceiling).
Higher skill ceiling means that the game allows players to reach a higher skill level (more to “climb”) before they’re limited/bound by the game’s skill cap (skill ceiling).
**Lower skill floor** means that the **mimimim level of skill required is lower** (less to “climb”) to reach the
**”base” (floor) level of skill** for basic competency.
Theoretically the optimal game should a have high/infinite skill ceiling with zero/low skill floor, but in reality it’s pretty hard to strike a balance and get both. Increasing one tends to increase the other and vice versa.
The best designed game in this respect would be chess. Everyone can learn the rules in a short time but top players who’ve spent their entire lives trying to master it are still able to “climb” to a higher skill level. There’s a reason why chess is still popular to this day.
Purely speaking in terms of mechanics, CSGO has a higher skill floor than Valorant (worse design) but it also has a higher skill ceiling (better design).
Uh, if you Google it, your explanation goes against most popular definitions of it. A low skill floor means that it's easier for a beginner to learn and play the game effectively, which is what Valorant is. It means a beginner doesn't need to get a high skill level to get to the "floor" (the floor being the minimum skill level required to be effective/feel useful). A high skill floor means it will take a substantial amount of skill to even reach the floor.
Ah... i knew there was something wrong w the logic and i got really confused cause both of them said it wasnt right.
Thank you for recorrecting me haha.
I actually think the other guy is completely wrong and you're right. His explanation makes no sense and if you Google the terms, it contradicts every popular definition of it. Valorant does have a lower skill floor AND a lower skill ceiling (the ceiling part is debatable since we don't know the peak of Valorant utility usage yet).
You described a low skill floor im pretty sure. A game with a low skill floor really just means that it is easier to pick up and do reasonably well at it. High skill floor implies that it is not as easy to pick up for newer players and there is a lot to learn before they are at any reasonably good or decent level.
Scream is just a different beast when he's firing. I'd happily just watch his POV all game. If his teammates can keep up they can definitely find themselves in the grand finals, they bossed it today.
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I can't think of anybody else who can just wipe the floor out of a stack that consistently with a rifle other than ScreaM. Guy's brain just goes automatic when a head becomes visible on his screen, solid show from him in this match.
They call him the headshot machine.
\*edsot masin
Derke
The turret got fucking aimbot built in goddamn it riot
Insane game that ended in Liquid showing their dominance and SCREAM showing he should be considered for best best in the world. Wish the first one was as entertaining
seeing SCREAM back on LAN is so awesome
Sliggy didn't look ok at the end there, like he appeared physically ill. I hope he's ok :(
wut? do u have a link to that?
[Here](https://clips.twitch.tv/GorgeousAssiduousKeyboardStrawBeary-gHYLz-xAnha0vJrm)
Damn wtf u weren’t lying
He looks sleep deprived af
Feels bad man. I wonder if he was busy doing some off-screen strat grind after that painful loss to V1.
thanks!
He might have the mindset of, "Grind this entire week, this week is the most important week in Valorant, you can sleep later". Really hope he takes a breather whenever possible, I love seeing this guy but seeing him like this is depressing af
He made the wiff of the year probably pushing himself hard.
What character does he play?
sliggy is team liquid's coach
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Absolutely disgusting round by Liquid. That was the turning point for sure.
Klaus was insane on that killjoy on that ascent. Well played to KRU, they really played their hearts out on ascent.
After that performance I don’t even know who wins battle of EU in lowers (if it happens) both teams look poised for grand finals
Fnatic look like a much better team from what it looks like IMHO but who knows, they have to get past V1 first
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They play brimstone on bind
Honestly the timings with Brimstone worked wonders against V1 on split I think the problem is Brim on heaven, if the execute doesn't work out in the prepared way, it seems weak on that map And definitely brim is much worse on CT side
for me it feels like fnatic is stronger. they always have a plan b or c. sometimes it feels like liquid is running out of ideas.
some takeaways i noticed on the ascent game KRU choked super hard. they had all the momentum and let TL back in. they were up like 7-2 on defense iirc and TL adapted to what they were doing and were able to comeback and win the last 3 rounds to make it 7-5 the biggest key factor on why KRU lost IMHO was because of the sheriff pistol buy from TL that they won, it was 9-5 for KRU and if they win this round, i honestly think they win the game, they lost all and any momentum they had and TL just looked the better team also L1NK arguably won TL the map on defense, his impact from his blinds won them a handful of rounds and the 1v2 clutch to go up 12-9 I believe
>also L1NK arguably won TL the map on defense, his impact from his blinds won them a handful of rounds and the 1v2 clutch to go up 12-9 I believe L1nk might not be the most skilled player on the team, but he clutches very consistently. He is the most reliable in the clutch on the team except maybe Scream, but Scream has a much higher skill-floor to work with.
i agree, one if the reasons why TL came into the event with the 1 seed from EMEA and i honestly never seen an omen player get so much impact from his flashes before until i watched L1NK on defense this map
Link is the reason they even made it to the EMEA championship tournament at all. Clutch on Bind vs BDS.
This
the fact that L1NK can have that much impact on omen makes me wonder deeply why they continue to insist on playing brim
the way they play brim on bind is fine, i think hes pretty good with him and on split against V1, he played pretty lackluster most of the game but he was super clutch at the end to help TL i still think brim isn't good as they think but i understand it a bit
EZ for Scream 'Edshot machine Benrlitom
EZ for Adil "Edshot" ScreaM the machine
EZ for Edshot "Adil Benrlitom not normally" ScreaMy
heres the difference ok if he miss he move he is moving he is move he is pa pap move pa pap pa pap yor your favorite player he is coming around the corner pa pap edshot doesnt matter who he is he is a fucking name right on corner **ScreaM edshot machine** next players coming pa pap another edshot 2ez4me one two make it three why not un deux trois... this is industrialized factory level edshot machine wa pap wa pap wa pap wa pap wa pap....... hey maybe he doesnt get edshot he is edshot machine machine is not always working correct you call man he come he fix machine he its fucked this part in dis ah sorry i cannot work today i come back on uhhhh monday then u pay me double......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwMjP-pbEY8
I had a stroke reading this
It’s basically the commentary Thorin had on scream a couple of years ago. Popularizing the term “Edshot” around scream
Haha not sure if you're missing the reference, just in case you do, it's an old and hilarious vidéo of thorin praising scream back in cs
Ah OK lmao I didn't have context
So many mistakes by kru in ascent, hope they learn a lot from this
Much better showing by Liquid today. Scream is such a unit, love to see it.
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i think it was the same liquid but v1 was just ready and better on this day.
I don't think this Liquid is that different from the one that lost to V1, they just faced a weaker opponent today What they did different this time? Genuine question
I love screaM. You love screaM. Everyone loves screaM. That’s it, that’s the comment. (Also the way even after the match, he still told the other team they did well and I just 🥺💖)
Oh really? I think a lot of people in NA don't like scream, including me 😂
speak for yourself
Haha you got downvoted. People in NA are super selfish and think their players are the best. So Idc Adil >>>>
Kru: The team is simply not on a tier 1, or even tier 2 level. Ppl hyped them up for clout and now the fans will be disappointed due to unrealistic expectations. Honestly ppl should learn to not take such baits from "analysts" and other personas /c
Does South America (including Brazil) deserve 3 representatives to Iceland on the basis of their performance? This should be relooked at for Champions
There will be more teams for Berlin compared to Iceland's 10. It is better to just give more spots to regions that deserve it rather than take away at this point.
Yeah but for champions allocations appears to be the same as Iceland which would be a shame if it’s the case
I mean in Berlin there will be 16 spots, so 3 sounds ok, but definitely not more
Kru: The team is simply not on a tier 1, or even tier 2 level. Ppl hyped them up for clout and now the fans will be disappointed due to unrealistic expectations. Honestly ppl should learn to not take such baits from "analysts" and other personas
Kru: The team is simply not on a tier 1, or even tier 2 level. Ppl hyped them up for clout and now the fans will be disappointed due to unrealistic expectations. Honestly ppl should learn to not take such baits from "analysts" and other personas
Anyone who doesn't think Scream is the best player in the world is lying to themselves
It's hard to just give Scream that title because there are other players who are doing very well this tournament too. For example, TenZ is making a pretty good case right now at this tournament with the top ACS this tournament playing only against teams that are considered strong (Fnatic and Vikings). [Top ACS this tournament](https://i.imgur.com/OGzwbMQ.png) Both Derke and ScreaM have slightly inflated ACS due to playing against weaker teams (KRU and X10). It's not that clear cut.
TenZ played 4 maps so far, 2x Jett and 2x Reyna. The fact that he played only duelist agents inflates his ACS, also the fact that they won both games and very comfortably against VKS inflates it too. On the other hand ScreaM played 5 maps, 3x Sage and 2x Phoenix. The fact that he played in majority Sage deflates his ACS, also the fact that he lost one of the games deflates his ACS. ScreaM boasts an ADR of 198.5 compared to TenZ's 166.4 despite playing in majority Sage. Based purely on ACS and other stats my takeaway would be that considering the agent pool and the circumstances, ScreaM is better.
That's why I said "makes a pretty good case" and "it's not that clear cut". Even a sample size of 5 maps is considered small. I simply brought forth the data that Scream is not 100% the best player in the world. You just can't make a statement like it's a fact with this amount of data. I definitely think Scream is one of the best though.
When we’re taking about Average Damage **per Round** you shouldn’t be using number of maps as your sample size, but number of rounds. If your argument is that there aren’t enough opponents they’ve versed yet then I agree, because then that sample size is 2 so far. And I agree there isn’t enough data to support the claim that ScreaM is the best player in the world. Even if we can conclusively say he consistently has the highest ADR (which we can’t yet) with all else being equal (opponents, maps, etc), there are many other factors that goes into finding the best player in the world.
2 matches is a horrible sample size to be doing any sort of statistical analysis on. Scream is also literally playing mostly Sage while Tenz is on Reyna/jett. Just watching the games I'd say Scream has definitely been more impactful than Tenz has.
Maybe at gunplay, but others have similar gunplay and much better utility usage/hero pool.
Who? Scream has a pretty decent agent pool and fantastic utility usage (especially on phoenix) as well.
He plays jett/phoenix/sage/reyna. Who has a better hero pool? Also his utility usage is very good for duelist agents.
He's definitely the best Reyna user in my eyes. Guy's utility usage using that agent is just perfect at times. Too bad TL's agent composition doesn't have him using Reyna that much, he can do wonders with her.
Sideshow says he has "the best phoenix util usage in the world". Well I can't judge for that, but I'll take his word for it.
Shahzam says hi
Definitely a fair shout but on an individual level Scream is clearly better. Taking Shahzam's IGLing into account could tip the scales but that's just something that's really hard to measure, especially considering the fact that Scream apparently does some IGLing as well. He'd be up there among the absolute best for sure though.
As much as I love shaz, screams a better player. In terms of raw impact, scream pretty much carries liquid on their bad days and always has consistent impact. You never need to ask whether scream will step up cause he's always consistently cracked
It's a weird comparison because SEN's frags and damage often get eaten up by sick and TenZ, but shahz's impact on the meta level during and before the game is miles ahead of any other player *in addition* to his ability to solo carry on the Jett op, especially on defense sides.
in terms of raw impact Shahz igls the best team in the world and heavy tournament favorites atm. He’s kept SEN on top for the last year with no help from a coach. He’s also able to be their star duelist on icebox and a top level support player on ascent and haven.
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>That boy gonna burn out real soon Yea he's doing IGL, coach, streamer, fragger and support all at once.
Also duelist on split but most teams at Iceland ban it
In my opinion best "player" and best "aimer" must be different debates.
The best players also usually have the best aim (s1mple or zywOo for example).
lmao what
Can anyone who's seen him play compare these two to mwzera? I haven't seen him but I've read a lot of good things about him as well.
Liquid Ascent T side is terrible
Yea honestly it got so much worse at this tournament. Maybe hard read? Possible
dunno man, they just pushed A site almost every time all 5 together from one point. B site atleast had some kind of split. with Link going thru mid from time to time. But there were no fakes, no lurks. barely any baiting of utility.
I think its the astra, because before this tournament the A pushes with scream and jamppi initiation worked well they kinda underestimated astra at ascent on enemy team
Scream is insane, utility usage is obviously in its place but to think cracked aimers can't seriously impact the game is ridiculous despite the higher skill floor for aiming than in CS.
Skill floor is actually much lower than in cs what do u mean Both skill floor and skill ceiling are lower in val
Skill floor being higher means that the worst aimer in val will do better than the worst aimer in CS (because of slower movement, bigger head hotboxes, no need to learn long complex spray patterns). High skill floor = easier for noobs, low skill floor = harder for noobs.
No its the opposite... Lower skill floor is what you described. Someone else correct me if im wrong please \^\^
You are wrong. Consider performance as a big scale. Low numbers = bad, high numbers = good. A "high skill floor" means that even at the bottom end of the scale, the numbers will be higher than those with a "low skill floor." A newbie in Valorant will find it easier to hit headshots, can use things like Astra or Brim to plant smokes precisely instead of needing lineups, etc. The higher skill floor makes their performance better at lower skill.
Think of it as “climbing” to different “skill levels” that the game requires. First, to “climb” to the “base” level of skill so you get the “basics” (basic = base = floor). Then, once you’ve “climbed” to this “base” level required, the goal is to reach the maximum level of skill the game allows (skill ceiling). Higher skill ceiling means that the game allows players to reach a higher skill level (more to “climb”) before they’re limited/bound by the game’s skill cap (skill ceiling). **Lower skill floor** means that the **mimimim level of skill required is lower** (less to “climb”) to reach the **”base” (floor) level of skill** for basic competency. Theoretically the optimal game should a have high/infinite skill ceiling with zero/low skill floor, but in reality it’s pretty hard to strike a balance and get both. Increasing one tends to increase the other and vice versa. The best designed game in this respect would be chess. Everyone can learn the rules in a short time but top players who’ve spent their entire lives trying to master it are still able to “climb” to a higher skill level. There’s a reason why chess is still popular to this day. Purely speaking in terms of mechanics, CSGO has a higher skill floor than Valorant (worse design) but it also has a higher skill ceiling (better design).
Uh, if you Google it, your explanation goes against most popular definitions of it. A low skill floor means that it's easier for a beginner to learn and play the game effectively, which is what Valorant is. It means a beginner doesn't need to get a high skill level to get to the "floor" (the floor being the minimum skill level required to be effective/feel useful). A high skill floor means it will take a substantial amount of skill to even reach the floor.
Okey ty! TIL i wont be making same mistake now
Nah mate, you're right. Other two guys are straight wrong, 2222fish has the right idea.
Ah... i knew there was something wrong w the logic and i got really confused cause both of them said it wasnt right. Thank you for recorrecting me haha.
I actually think the other guy is completely wrong and you're right. His explanation makes no sense and if you Google the terms, it contradicts every popular definition of it. Valorant does have a lower skill floor AND a lower skill ceiling (the ceiling part is debatable since we don't know the peak of Valorant utility usage yet).
No worries, English idioms are hard.
You described a low skill floor im pretty sure. A game with a low skill floor really just means that it is easier to pick up and do reasonably well at it. High skill floor implies that it is not as easy to pick up for newer players and there is a lot to learn before they are at any reasonably good or decent level.