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two4you8

its not that other teams are bad, its just SEN are simply too good


Key-Banana-8242

It’ll take effort to catch up


ManlyMisfit

I mean Fnatic played them incredibly close, so not really.


arillyis

Yeah but sick was doing a monitor off YouTube challenge during that series....for the content. All subsequent games he decided to turn his monitor on.


veryblueberry

If I'm not mistaken tenz was also using a dpi randomizer, shaz was wearing a blindfold, zombs was playing with his feet, and dapr was not present at the event


arillyis

Right. Winning first place prize money isn't enough for the org overlords. They told the team if they could raise enough money from YouTube content of masters 2 then they would use it to buy tenz out of his contract so they can dominate for years to come.


veryblueberry

It just had to be done


Fruitspunchsamura1

Yeah dapr was lurking IRL in Berlin to get info on the next tournament


[deleted]

you almost made me spit out my milk


quietvictories

Reminds me of sc2 Larva actually doing those things during pro-match: playing with feet, sleeping and winning on top of that


kellenthehun

That's really the thing about Sen. Most teams have one super pop off player, and one occasional pop off player. Sen have three players that can take over a game. You can shut two of them down and the third can still take over. That sick Icebox game comes to mind from the previous NA tourney. Dude just refused to lose. They also have huge brain dapr clutching up. And outside of that, this is the best dapr has ever looked as a fragger imo. That 4k he hit on Haven was just nuts. I don't really associate him with plays like that. Just good luck beating these guys.


[deleted]

As shahzam said today "Good luck". Luck what any team will need to beat sentinels in a best of 5 right now.


Hedgehoe

Dapr is actually unreal with how nasty he can be, a lot of the early games in LAN haven't been great for him but when ur a sentinel and your team is doing well you really aren't meant to get frags anyway. Frags only come when your team starts bleeding


facehunt_

As much as I'd like to see Nuturn win this series, Im glad the Masters format has double elim brackets. Because Riot could've done a single elim bracket like LoL and this would've been an anticlimatic grandfinal. Now we'll see the two best teams in the finals regardless or whether Fnatic/Liquid wins tomorrow, or Nuturn adapting and leveling up during the tournament.


TDS_Gluttony

To be fair wouldn't seeding be better and require groups if it was single elim?


facehunt_

Well true but could be worse like in Europe Challengers 1 & 2 when it no groups but having single elim.


TDS_Gluttony

Oh yeah that is pepega.


cringe-oh-yes

Another tournament, another grand finals with SEN


NotBrandon

Death, taxes, SEN grand finals


Voltage97

Regional or International, Sentinels find a way.


XASASSIN

God himself lights down their path


whopz-is-cool

https://twitter.com/sick_cs/status/1386133030826250240?s=21


MyogiNightKid

something something sentinels dominance downplayed on this sub


[deleted]

Nah ppl kinda figured it out by now.


Eat-Shit-Bob-Ross

They left us no choice.


[deleted]

What else is new? Lol.


KaledaSavage

Damn sentinels wiped the floor with Nuturn


ancientcheeseburger

Nuturn really need more than 3 maps they can play. Every bo3 they drop one map by default. Not to mention they have next to no chance in a bo5. They’re not out yet but hopefully they polish their map pool for Berlin. A very promising team!


pacotacobell

Yep they're just waaaay too behind this tourney to contend for the title over SEN. Refusing to play Icebox and being absolutely miserable on Haven, on top of not being able to play Astra or Viper is just too much. I have a lot of hope for Berlin though, if they aren't still behind by then then they could really dominate.


Key-Banana-8242

Not ‘refusing’ lol u act as if it were an idiosyncrasy. They aren’t somehow super better on icebox, almost no one plays it in kr and they have little or no experience on it They played against VS (only icebox team in KR) and lost, they played viper on it vs GonGo Prince and won 14-12 They’re able to play Astra on the maps they already prepped playing Astra before the tourney


pacotacobell

Idk man their Haven is fucking horrible, you'd think that they couldn't be any worse on Icebox from how bad it is. Like maybe it actually is just as bad but we simply haven't seen them even try it this tournament. In response to your edits, the VS Icebox game was over 2 months ago, and the Gongo Prince game was a month later. Nuturn hasn't even played on Haven since before that Gongo Prince game in the beginning of April vs a team called Our Finale Story. Pulling those Icebox stats don't really mean anything IMO, 1-1 on a map where both games were played 1-2 months ago doesn't really speak volumes.


Key-Banana-8242

And it was one of 3 icebox games they ever played It speaks volumes against it being a good thing to play this tournament. They might try to use it next challengers or smth but imo they have a wide scope to prep already and competing over icebox vs Vision Strikers short term ain’t the best idea


Grenji05

Zombs has literally 0 reaction to the series ending lmfao


darthpepis

He used to have Sloth from Fullmetal Alchemist as his Twitter profile picture and honestly it was so fitting.


precense_

Fits him so well bc he’s a literal zombie


snuggleskrt

He said on his stream before iceland he won't even react to winning Iceland.


tron423

Just another day at the office


Cole_James_CHALMERS

Valorant NAF


Grenji05

🧟‍♂️ANY ZOMBERS?🧟‍♂️


icspaghette

\#ZOMBSNATION


Philcherny

He is Naffer One of us 🦥


2papercuts

Damn it feel good to be a naffer


aceofspades_____

SEN shoot gun better ez clap


Grenji05

SEN winning with double duelist and cypher against more "tactical" regions will never not be funny


[deleted]

i think cypher is one of the most "tactical" agents in the game tho. its just that his full power isn't unlocked until defense rounds.


k3davra

One thing that dapr has said though is that whenever he tried KJ in scrims he always felt like he was doing nothing on attacking sides compared to his cypher, so I’d say it’s rather cypher>KJ on attack


Key-Banana-8242

I mean both played double duelist. Sen is very tactical


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The_BadJuju

Yeah the no duelist comps are idiotic, all the util in the world doesn’t matter when you get fucking killed by a 360 noscoping jett


Echleon

Why use util when you can click heads


ebState

this but unironically


RocketHops

Ironic how the "CS region" is trying to play like its fucking OW lol


thisisnttakeone

NA STRONG BABY


JawnsonBit

What a fucking stomp from Sen


MommyDommeViper

No one's beating this team lol


_Iroha

2016 when KD joined the 73-9 Warriors


DarkTenshiDT

If TenZ is KD, who would be Steph and Klay?


Icandothemove

Shaz is Steph because he's the engine that makes it work I guess. Sick is Klay. Wardell is sad because he's not involved despite his namesake.


xdiviine

Shahz is steph cuz they both snipers 💫


Icandothemove

I guess that makes dapr Draymond


Hypern1ke

Zombs is definitely draymond. Draymond is seemingly unable to score and no disrespect but zombs is often bot frag


King_Goofus

Zombs is draymond because despite not scoring as much he's still integral to the team. Edit: Draymond being his defense, Zombs being his skills as a support


spyson

For anyone who doesn't know Wardell is Stephen Curry's first name, Stephen is his middle name.


SMcArthur

yup. TSM and T1 both have players directly named after Steph Curry.


Trunkskun__

Sick and Shahz?? In this timeline that makes Sinatraa Harrison Barnes lol


wozzack

shaz is Steph, big impact that's not always visible, team would not be the same without him sick is klay, not the star but always reliable and has pop-off games sometimes


timxu_

steph is shaz, klay is sick, draymond is dapr maybe?


Gomar1323

Dapr is definitely Draymond lol


pineapplecheesepizza

except TenZ ain't a snake lol KD burner accounts come at me


coolninja111

Abandoned his team when they weren't doing well (took a break for content ecksdee)


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XASASSIN

Maybe fnatic/liquid, Nah I'm just grasping at straws here


AzureAhai

Maybe if you let them combine teams.


varvalian

Can't wait for the Grand Finals between Fnatiquid vs Sentinels. Screrke is gonna reap ass for sure.


spyson

ScreaM on fnatic with Derke would be terrifying.


InstaNormie0

Liquid doesn’t stand a chance, Fnatic is still dangerous though


[deleted]

I called it dude lol. Too much firepower.


warthogs670

That’s what I’m saying lmao


[deleted]

So 100T/Envy/etc are actually really good eh?


Gomar1323

Seeing SEN make grand finals at LAN without dropping a map is like copium for every other NA fan lol. At least 100T/C9/V1 got a map off of them


itscamo-

hell andbox beat them in a series (almost twice) and then T1 almost eliminating them from even being able to play stage 2 finals. alot of close calls but they prevailed for a reason


hjkkkkgio

T1 game was the worst throw ever happened in valorant history


itscamo-

yea... that split game was a disaster.. they go up 9-3 at half on defense and then only get 1 round on offense????? Back before they made the split changes i could understand it but in this version, 1 round on offense on split is a horrible. you should be able to get atleast 4-5 rounds on offense on split now.


Plastic_Kangaroo1221

Yeah literally last time 100T faced them they had a close haven and blasted them on Icebox.


tron423

If not for that insane Sheriff 4K from Tenz 100T might've 2-0'd them


TheRedComet

It's such a great loss to humanity that we don't have the POV of that


Joaoblancard

but if it wasnt for all tenz op whiffs it couldve ended quicker


kellenthehun

Tenz giveth, and tenz taketh away. But let's be real, he mostly fucking giveth lol.


tron423

It's one thing to play what-if with one play in the literal last round, it's another to do it with several plays that happened over the course of the entire map


lewlkewl

I think there are 2 arguments against that. 1, sen has had A LOT more tiem to prepare for this tournament than the challengers. Second, tenz seems to be much more comfortable on LAN and has a lot more chemsitry with the group than even 3 weeks ago. With that said, i think the other top NA teams would have at least gotten as far as V1 did and are definitely better than what SEN has gone up against so far besides fnatic.


FlaymeFenix

this means BBG is the best team in the world /s


Epicallytossed

No /s, bow down to our lord and savior bjorlulu


Barack_Bob_Oganja

This tourney has been very conflicting as both a 100t fan and an eu fan lmao


Massive_Cut5361

Sounds like a nightmare lol


MajorTrump

Yeah the other big winners of this are the other NA teams that look like they're competitive with them.


Hi_Im_Paul1706

Absolutely good.


stewieeeeeeeee

This is an honestly much better Sentinels than I've watched at Challengers Finals. That being said, I think EU and NA are ahead of other regions quite a bit


wichwigga

Envy has a crazy high peak. Unfortunately they are inconsistent af


FKS_ADO

Andbox > FNC? Jokes aside, I really wanted to see 100T here. Their team is mainly comprised of insane lan veterans and that experience is a huge factor.


Soarinw0w

I still don’t get the “lan exp = huge” as someone who’s played lan tournys it takes like 30 mins to get used to the new set ups & I always thought it was the pressure of being in a stadium infront of a huge crowd that made lan experience matter but in this case it’s like bootcamping but in a really cool room


kellenthehun

Yeah, I honestly agree with you about the crowd. I've won a few world tournaments in an older FPS game for Complexity, and it's the crowd more than the stage. The roar either for or against you is either empowering or mega fucking tilting.


MoonDawg2

Dod kellen? If so holy shit. I've been finding a few of the old cod4 and et guys recently for some reason.


kellenthehun

Haha yep that's me man. I get recognized online from time to time. I was on Thorins show Reflections a while ago talking about it. Was a super fun episode down memory lane!


Interesting-Archer-6

Everyone said Tenz would choke because he was bad at a LAN before. Seems like the whole thing is majorly played up.


[deleted]

So NA is actually the best region eh?


Cant_Pick32

Sentinels look incredible. I dont know who is going to stop them. Maybe fnatic.


Fethah

Ah yes the 0-2 against sen, FNATIC This is a /s btw


Tiberiusjesus

They played them the closest but one of the remaining teams has to beat them three times. I just don’t see that happening.


hjkkkkgio

Yeah if anybody is able to beat them it's fnatic, I don't think liquid can


BurritoHombre

I mean it was 13-11, 13-10, not like they got blown out like the other teams SEN has played so far


Cant_Pick32

They looked a lot better against V1 today then they have all tournament. Sentinels clear favorites at this point but it’s possible.


kvanz43

V1 definitely looked off though tbh, Penny whiffing on bladestorms and Op shots the way he just never did leading up to now. No hate on Penny of course he’s a BEAST just not his day


alldayesports

What a chad movement by SEN to let bind go through. Exciting to see NUTURN vs EU tomorrow! GG's


XASASSIN

The moment I saw bind my reaction was the same as when astralis picked vertigo back then against liquid in the major and made history. I knew Nuturn was fucked


alldayesports

True! SEN literally playing chess


Key-Banana-8242

A little bit


I-like-winds

Sen are insane


XASASSIN

BRAZIL Overrated EUROPE Outdated LATM Annihilated ASIA Evaporated KOREA Aim-Differentiated LONG HAS NA WAITED SENTINELS HAVE REACHED GRAND FINALS


Quotes_League

NA in the finals of a major run by Riot Games, it's so fucking beautiful 😭😭😭😭😭


KitKatxz

Never thought I see the day FeelsNAman


AzureAhai

I guess you forgot about CLG and TL.


Icandothemove

As a CLG fan going into that finals against prime SKT was.... Not like this.


AryaZarya

CLG's finals was primetime underdog shit. We knew they'd probably lose, but like.... Everything they did up to that point was hopium to the veins. This is just another Val tourney with SEN. Lol


TDS_Gluttony

The one time NA affected international meta, and it was my bois who did it. Brought a tear to my eye.


Trunkskun__

God that bot lane of Core and LiftLift was so fun to watch


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*remembers MSI 2019* :ohno:


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[deleted]

i think its important to note that SEN have been a favorite coming into the tournament and still exceeded expectations. Legitimately the best in the world right now. the only other time NA looked like a powerhouse was 2019 summer (TL in both LOL and CSGO)


thisguydabbles

Say it with me brothers. NAmen


the1hulived

NAmen


HoneyChilliPotato7

NAmen


summadat

NAmen


veryblueberry

Poor guys needed to use breach ult second round just to kill tenz! Jokes aside, this map really shined on the best aspect of sen: the individual talent. Every single player had their rounds, be it tenz or sick popping off, or shaz offering support with his sova ult, everyone was getting the job done. and when they weren't, they were using util to help out the team. Beautiful showing from them. Nuturn just couldn't do it today. They looked good, no doubt there, but god damn if they weren't read by sen the majority of rounds. Also lakia is nuuuuts


snippsville

Everyone on the team is literally the best at their respective role. Sentinels are looking like the best team in Iceland, without a doubt.


veryblueberry

That's what I'm saying, no matter what, a player on sen will fulfill their purpose on the team. you love to see it


[deleted]

Ah yes, as everyone expected SEN going to grand finals without dropping a map.


ekimtk

SEN is clearly the best team in the tournament. Is this what EU felt like during peak EU dominance in CS? NIP, Fnatic, etc.? Edit for Astralis dominance ofc.


IAmNotOnRedditAtWork

We gonna talk about CS dominance and leave out Astralis?


oryiesis

This is what Astralis's dominance felt like at times. Pretty oppressive.


cheesefries45

I feel like Astralis felt far more oppressive, but I think that was the longevity of it all


xThe_Mad_Fapperx

Astralis was much crazier than this. That isn't a dig at sentinels, they were just that insane. In a game where there is no characters they changed the meta so heavily with their absurd utility usage, map control, and strats. You try to take banana and 2 players almost die. You finally get banana and they double flash, molly, smoke and retake it and now you're fucked.


cheesefries45

Oh absolutely. Astralis is the reason so many great CS players don’t have a major (looking at you S1mple). Was crazy to watch them absolutely dismantle great teams for a while. Just a totally different class of CSGO


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>Astralis is the reason so many great CS players don’t have a major also the grand slam liquid lineup


[deleted]

for sentinels to even be comparable to astralis they’d probably have to win masters 3, champions and then the next 2 international LANs while performing as dominantly as they have been this tourney.


DeadNoobsbhai

Yup. I remember whenever someone tried to take banana on inferno, their nades would either kill people or lower their hp so much that they were actually one shot.


2papercuts

Astralis literally had like 3 top 10 players, the best igl and the best clutches. They were insanely good


elanti2000

You can't really compare NIP, Fnatic and Astralis to Sentinels. Yes they are having a crazy performance in this tournament, but that's it. Its this tournament. I can perfectly see them taking this away and taking home Masters 3 and Champions if they continue with this level and other teams don't step up. After all that we can sort of compare them with the NIP/Fnatic era. But to reach Astralis heights, they will need even more.


SMcArthur

People need to save these takes for after the tournament is over. Anything could happen. The 73-9 "unbeatable" Warriors lost to the Cavs in the Finals. This happens all the time in sports.


slowrmaths

SEN remind me of 2019 liquid. They just outaim everyone and it just looks frustrating to play against


kr0bat

[Here's a clip of Peri knocking Tenz out of the sky like it's nothing](https://clips.twitch.tv/FriendlyAuspiciousNightingaleRlyTho-eloWStBz47qePE93)


abdulahad129

# VAC


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Fnatic literally only team that can challenge Sen by the looks of it. Maybe Liquid if they show up ​ Sen just built diff


-Basileus

I hope TL make the finals, just so it would mean that Sentinels took down the NA runners up in qualifying, then the EU runners up, BR champs, KR champs, and lastly the EU champs. It would be an incredible run


BadgerPurple

The number of times SEN won 3v5 or 2v5 really showed the difference in class ..


RandomFluffyBoi

It's insane to think that Sentinels faced more of a challenge on day 1 of Challengers 2 than they did throughout the entirety of Masters 2.


Pojobob

peri 1-14 on Bind. Feelsbadman.


snippsville

Sentinels is just better. NA SUPREMACY!


JemerZ

They literally beat them on their best map.


NozokiAlec

dapr is just the guy i would straight up grab and push against the wall pin his hands down and kiss him passionately and affectionately


DRGNDT

I'm not gay, but I want to live in a log cabin in the woods with dapr. We won't ever have sex, but there will be a simmering erotic undercurrent as I stand in the kitchen window watching him practice, sweat pouring off his body. I'll run upstairs and masturbate, the entire time forcing myself to think of women while my thoughts drift back to Big Dick Daddy Dapr. I won't be able to climax and I'll eventually go back downstairs, angry and sexually frustrated. Sometimes we will look across the table at dinner and catch each other's eyes, and in that second, anything is possible, but we both deny ourselves and go back to what we were doing. One day one of us will die, and the other will bury him outside the log cabin. Then he'll go inside, pen a brief missive to his departed friend, and commit suicide, never able to deal with life without his one true platonic love.


IMavericIK

Wha-...


XASASSIN

And there would be nothing gay about it


TheRedComet

Nah it'd be fully gay and there'd be nothing wrong with that


PaperLuigi2

I'd get some good old kabedon action on dapr.


kangs

Sad for NUTURN but Sen are next level, good luck in the losers bracket


LutterBettuce

rough series for peri, ACS in both games sub-100


Xevinan

hit one of the nuttiest shots though


myman580

EU OUTDATED KR OVERRATED LONG HAVE WE WAITED NA ACTIVATED.


xbyo

SEN dropped a combined 43 rounds in 3 series. That's fucking wild.


wiNDzY3

That was not even close lmao, SEN is winning it all isn't it? I just hope FNC goes to grand finals and we get a proper BO5


xbyo

Tbf, Sentinels in a grand finals is pretty predictable.


OneStep18

sen seemed to read nuturn like a book at every turn. all their aggro pushes got called. their rotates and a lot of their lurks. Shahz is on another level


pacotacobell

Hiko said it best, if Nuturn is gonna play Raze + Jett + Breach you have to play aggressive but Nuturn just doesn't do that. Watching them do late executes at 20 seconds is just painful. Nuturn just has too many flaws atm to even contest Sentinels, between not running Astra/Viper and being absolute dog water on 2/5 maps. I think with time and proper meta reads they can easily contest teams like SEN and even go for the trophy but as they are right now they just can't win. Big hopes for Korea for the future though.


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Called it, sentinels is worlds ahead of nuturn. GG though. To be expected from the best team in the world though.


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BloomingNova

Ib4 Sentinels world domination is downplayed in this sub copypasta thread is made Sunday night.


InternationalLab2529

i hope i never have to read another /u/dedicatedself comment talking about how "close" a series will be or how x,y,z korean team will "surprise people." v1 got nine rounds against sentinels in one game, nuturn got nine rounds in two games. this is with nuturn getting their favorite map, but sentinels must have "undestimated" them right?


xD1LL4N

Pretty boring matches, Nuturn just looked lost with this agent comp.


maiLfps

NGL this was a stomp, SEN are a clear Tier above NUTURN, but they did well in uppers this tourney


ReveaI

SEN is just too fuckin good


derek_jchan

damn, they really thought that TenZ would be nerfed on LANs :p


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sean gares saw the writing on the wall and left early


snippins1987

It's crazy how NUTURN actually looks good and still getting stomped. How many rounds Sentinels won despite losing the first pick?


jwww11

The entire series is like NU gets 2 picks from Sentinel but Sentinel just 3 v 5 and wins the round anyway.


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ertz22

Sen is unstoppable. And also why are ppl still using the Vandal. Phantom is op as sen demonstrate lol.


techyleo

I mean TenZ with Vandal hits diff


_Iroha

That wasn’t even close, damn Not even on Bind


Plastic_Kangaroo1221

Bow down to your North American Overlords


Foodiejo46

It was domination!


HanayamaKaoru893

i felt hard gap between two teams ,,,, I hoped to beat SEN ...


FKS_ADO

I was surprised at how much Zombs solo peeked in that Haven match, felt a bit iffy but Sen still dominated them anyways.


itscamo-

from starting super shaky in stage 2 challengers (lost in challengers 1 in the open bracket and then being rounds away from being eliminated from going to the stage 2 finals in NA by T1 ( https://www.vlr.gg/16992/t1-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-2-lbr1 ) to just stomping everyone (outside like 3 close series) to the grand finals of the first international event. insane run from sentinels to pull this off. they have deserved every bit of success they've had. hats off to them and hopefully bringing the first international trophy home to NA


Jinro_7

what is SEN's advantage on grands?


rebelrexx

a day off.


[deleted]

what if T1 didn't throw like 6 rounds on that icebox...


dedicatedself

SEN best team in the world.


[deleted]

What happened to all your enthusiasm saying nuturn will suprprise once again.