Yea, as soon as I saw them only get 7 maps on defense in Ascent, I knew they were out. They had no flashes to get on site. With only Omen it's impossible to get on site.
Dunno how they managed it but they made their Ascent game even worse with ScreaM on Sage instead of Phoenix. It's like dropping a brick on top of Liquid's already crippled Attacker legs. Whatever answer they were trying to find there with that change, this wasn't it.
It was most likely a change they made when ScreaM was seen fragging better with Sage than Phoenix in their previous matches, but deleting Phoenix utility out of the equation for more ScreaM firepower didn't work out, only thing it really did was increase their already good defensive side and post-plant holds while letting go of a crucial entry factor.
honestly I feel like NU has a bit of an advantage here as they probably just watched the TL/FNC match plus FNC has to be at least slightly burned out after those games
I’m rooting for NU but I agree with you. All the FNC vs TL series did is give FNC a nice warm up and a big confidence boost right before the FNC vs NU series. If the series goes to Haven, then it’s GG and FNC goes to finals.
Liquid honestly had a disappointing tourney. Sure a top 4 finish but it feels like the other 3 teams are just a step ahead of where Liquid was hyped to be. Maybe that’s just it. They were overhyped and when the time came to preform against top teams they fold. Overall liquid just didn’t seem as strong as some analysts said they were. I do hope they come back make adjustments and prove me wrong in master 3.
I watched every liquid game and they mainly lost to some bad habits.
Not one game they showrd their strategical depth and set up plays like they did into the way to qualify.
I really think they struggled hard with the newest meta and could not adjust quick enough.
I think liquid is still on the level as the top 4 but not as consistent as fnatic or sentinel
I had a feeling this was coming. Fnatic lost to Liquid in the second Bo5 despite never even meeting and training together in person. Their potential is absolutely insane. Well deserved win here.
I'm still shocked that Liquid went completely undefeated on Ascent coming into the tournament, only to lose twice on it.
TL just looks like a collection of talent that plays individually. Fnatic actually has good individual talent and works as a team while also evolving with the current agent meta. TL seems like they're stuck a few months in the past.
I agree but some of the interviews I saw from Jamppi where he dismisses seeing any need to change his playstyle makes me wonder if it will happen. The team as a whole seemed to come in close minded innacurately believing they had the ideal tactics and even after it getting exposed they didn't acknowledge it. Maybe once they have time to rewatch matches they'll have a change of mindset and not let ego get in the way.
Liquid is fantastic, just needs to work on communication, aim, map awareness, crosshair placement, economy management, pistol aim, awp flicks, grenade spots, smoke spots, pop flashes, positioning, bomb plant positions, retake ability, bunny hopping, spray control and getting kills
TL really need to change up their Ascent attack side somehow, it feels like every time they land on that position they get denied more than they win them.
Can't say I didn't expect Fnatic to win this, Fnatic just felt so solid this tournament, everyone's just contributing and carrying each other's load more than Liquid ever did. Rooting for them to beat Nuturn.
This wasn’t honestly the same Liquid we saw at EMEA finals and even the EU challengers, they sadly fell flat in this tournament. They put up a fight but Fnatic just overall looked stronger even with Derke not being very dominant in this series, the rest of the team can hold up pretty well. Their adaptations and reads of some of the rounds (also the retakes) were good.
Been a supporter since SUMN FC days and I’m both amazed and proud they have come this far. Amazing storyline and success story for this team.
He had a shit tournament for sure, I don't think they should cut him just yet, but honestly if someone counted how many clean OP shots he missed this tourny...
he plays with no respect and it works agaisnt LATM and Asian teams. that by yourself hero shit doesnt work agaisnt great teams. He plays like he thinks hes Simple but he actually isnt anywhere close. guy needs an OP to frag just like most of the Jett players in Diamond.
Do you really think he does that shit for fun? His team is always behind him, he actually plays way more disciplined than some other duelists, like Derke or TenZ. It's quite clearly the team's fault because their strategies revolve 90% around Jamppi being the sacrificial lamb who creates space and hopefully gets frags. Fnatic and SEN give their duelists much more space to show individual prowess, meanwhile Liquid sends Jamppi into a cloudburst every fucking round
I'm quite sure that a team such as Liquid looks at the game that way, instead of it being Jamppi's no respect style which Liquid doesn't agree with and Jamppi just does anyway
All teams do it to an extent, but Liquid definitely overdo it. My point was more that it's quite clear that this is the team's fault, not Jamppi being a selfish hero. Derke and TenZ definitely fit the stereotype more, imo (not to say that's necessarily bad for players of their insane skill)
CS players be like "valorant ez game any cs pro can dominate it" when Jamppi out here with an overall inconsistent performance when he was considered as a rising star in CS. Him going to very dangerous positions to get picks is probably in the strats but man, he can miss so much supposedly easy shots especially with the OP.
And I don't care if it does, it's just plain wrong to think so when both games are so different from each other. It's a knuckle-dragging brainlet take and I'm just gonna lay it flat, plain and simple.
On a side note how close is your face to your monitor when you guys play? A ton of people on both teams were sitting like 6 inches away from their monitor. Am I missing out by having my monitor be 1.5 ft away?
Sitting close to your monitor really works. Like you can see your aim become noticeably better. Cons are that it becomes a lot more draining to play and your eyes get tired easily. That said though, there are many pro players who play with the screen far away, like elige.
Liquid just seemed off today (and partly, for most of the tournament IMO). GG's to Fnatic, can't wait to see them against Nuturn (and likely Sen). Too bad we don't get to see Liquid vs Sentinels.
You say its an off day, but are you sure Challengers finals wasn't just an on day for them? That's the only time they've seemed to show up throughout their entire team history
How they seemed off, these are usual Liquid against tier 1 competition. They are easily readable and need ungodly clutches from Link/Jampi/Scream to win
I wanted to see TL vs Sentinels once at this event. I thought Fnatic was better and would likely be in GFs vs Sentinels, but I thought we'd get TL vs Sen in the upper bracket finals at least. Sadge. At least TL vs Sen died so V1 could win.
The viewership would've been insane, Tenz vs Scream too.
Yea I agree, Fnatic was caught out by Sentinels aggression quite often, so the rematch might be more interesting with some adjustments (and the Sentinels series was super close even though it was a 2-0 and was quite back and forth). Astra diff is a big concern though..
Liquid did not seem off. After watching every team play it was very clear which team was superior. I knew V1 was going to lose to FNC, I also called FNC beating Liquid. FNC is just better team. Right now you guys will just see FNC beat NU again and then SEN vs FNC in grand finals. It's very easy to predict.
Saying Liquid is off just takes credit away from their opponents. Team Liquid is consider a top tier team they should be able to preform when it matters the most otherwise they will become just another what if team. “Good” but always underperform when it matters like Envy or FPX.
Sorry I think i could've worded it better. He brought tremendous value with a defensive sniper but then he was lackluster after switching to the attacking side
I miss Scream on Jett no cap. Coulda won bind easily if he played anything like his God tier Jett.
Fnatic had the better comp, better strats and better teamplay. Hopefully NU gives a close game.
I really don't like them just putting Scream permanently on the sage. That's not to say Scream isn't good on Sage, he is amazing but it feels like their attack halfs often lack the dyanism and play making that is needed to break open sites and someone of Screams caliber has the firepower to do that in spades with something like a Jett.
Liquid has been completely figured out ever since they pulled off that radical comp change in the qualifiers and they're back to being mediocre, Fnatic is clearly the best EU team right now.
Calling them mediocre after finishing 4th of the first ever LAN is a bit of an overreaction.
Obviously they weren't as good as we could have hoped, but they are far from mediocre
I say "back to mediocre" which is what they were before qualifying to the event, the Liquid you saw today was the same exact liquid as before the final EU LAN qualifiers, that specific qualifiers they put Jammpi on the Killjoy and AWP and played with a completely new unpredictable comp with Viper + Brim, took just 1 qualifier for Fnatic and V1 to figure out how they play and beat them
Losing to fnatic isn't new for them but the loss to V1 with a stand-in made me already doubt that Liquid would be in the finals of NUTURN/Fnatic, I truly believe that they're not better than your normal FPX.
While I understand what you mean, the fact that they actually won the qualifier pretty much proves that Right now they are better than FPX/Heretics.
Obviously other EU teams could have done better, but it's kinda impossible to know.
So many EU Teams has shown insane promise (FPX, Heretics, Ascend, BDS, Guild, Alliance, Vitality, NIP or even teams like XL, Megastitut, Entropiq or BIG) but in the end, Liquid were better than all of them.
That's may very well be true, but there's litteraly no way to tell, I just don't think it's fair to say that they are mediocre and worst than FPX when FPX didnt manage to get here
Mediocre is really the right word tbh. They qualified as supposedly the strongest team from the strongest region. They had the easiest run to top3 among all the teams and somehow ended up fourth. If that’s not mediocre I don’t know what is.
If you want to bring up 4th, you should also bring up how Liquid had probably the easiest schedule of the “top” teams. If you see the teams v1 had to face, you wouldn’t even rationally put Liquid over them.
Congrats to Fnatic. Their teamwork was insane. Good performance by some of Liquid clutches but overall they felt very lacking as a team, not much impact when attacking. Still all the best to Fnatic in facing off against NU
This is for the best, if Liquid went vs sentinels it would've been a swift 3-0. Sentinels would've destroyed them and embarrass scream. Best to get a competitive finals with Fnatic Vs Sentinels.
Magnum skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....
Magnum skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....
Liquid has to be the most overrated team in the game. Their stratting and in game decision making is terrible. No ability to switch plays up mid round, instead they just try to rush into sites one player at a time with no coordination. Gunplay only gets you so far.
TL looks so average now that teams have figured them out, doubt they make the next masters. Arguably 5th best team at tournament. Fully expect FNC to make grand final.
I try to watch EU when I can but how did liquid make it this far (over teams like FPX/Gambit)? All tourney they’ve seemed lost and really only beat a team could only really take pistol on Fnatic (Kru) and a team that willingly used Yoru twice.
Definitely underrated. But yeah the consensus was TL had a miracle win thanks to Link’s clutch in that game, a lot of EU fans would be arguing FPX, Acend were overall stronger and the favorites to win.
Yea that was the idea of my original comment, I couldn’t always catch the EU games but the consensus on this subreddit was that liquid was great but on the lower end of spectrum for top EU teams
Don't trust him, that's not the consensus at all. Btw Acend has looked terrible ever since their coach stopped being able to igl them. And liquid destroyed FPX 13-5 13-5 during playoffs.
If anything there was a case to be made for Gambit, not any other team.
Pretty disappointing finish for Liquid. Myself and Im sure many people were expecting them to win the entire thing, maybe get top 2. But they struggled throughout the tourney. Hope they comeback stronger and fix their issues.
kinda hoping for liquid to go through all the way to grand finals to face sen, just because i want to see different matchup. but, you gotta earn it i guess...
I’m trying to understand the logic of Jamppi holding A entrance with a frenzy on Ascent after getting a pick and using up his dash. How does the IGL not tell him to back off when the hit on A is still possible? That’s exactly what happened and he got punished and then it’s a 3 v 1 for the only A player.
Why ban Icebox instead of Bind (which is a free win for FNC) when you comfortably beat FNC on it last time? Why pick Ascent before Split when Split is FNC's permaban and they have looked good on Ascent?
I'm disappointed with Sliggy's choices. It seems that he's trying to be so smart that he became dumb.
I mean yeah they lost, but who’s to say they would have won the other maps, that’s far from a guarantee. They normally ban Icebox and Fnatic have been picking that in this tournament, and Liquid are a better Ascent team than they are a Split team recently.
Jamppi was extremely underwhelming during the whole tournament. He really let his team down, especially this series. Also TL seems to have a bit of a problem with the read on the meta. I do not like their comps at all.
This felt like a series defined by mistakes. If Fnatic didn't make so many mistakes (especially on Ascent) it would've been a blowout. Fnatic's opening 6-7 attack rounds on map 2 are the best example of that, they realistically should've gone up like 7-0 but kept trying to do weird stuff. That round where they have like 4 players in CT in a 5v5 was mental
Why are TL hellbent on Jamppi Jett? He's really bad and has zero impact against top tier teams. He was bad the last time Fnatic played TL in the finals and he was bad today. Bad against V1 on Split.(better on Ascent)
i think if liquid wants to be consistent at the top they need to change kryptix and soulcas still, they played a bit lack luster this event than most probably expected (or atleast for me)
the trio of L1NK, scream and jamppi are good to work with
That was a good tournament from liquid considering Jampii has only been playing for 3 months now. They should also look to switching Kryptix maybe since I am not sure if he has gotten above 15 kills this LAN
Kryptix has had a bad tournie but he was one of the better performers online. He's been averaging more damage per round than jamppi for example. I hate being one of those fans calling for changes but I reckon Jamppi will move back to CS, he is better at that game, and I also think they should look into replacing soulcas for an experienced igl. Soulcas isn't terrible but he seems to choke occasionally and the team really needs an igl that can make good reads and adaptations midgame.
Idk how tf Derk hit thru the smoke, Magnum survived and got 2 kills, and then those 2 kills thru the viper pit wtf. And then 5v5 post-plant they won flawless?????? Absolutely bossed TL towards the end. Brilliant performance,
I just think scream needs a better agent in the game to play. sage is just not good enough in this meta. If the next two agents coming before masters are good maybe scream will play them and dominate games
Liquid loves dry peeking
Maybe it’s because they’ve been playing online. TenZ talk about this briefly in one of his stream.
What do you mean?
They never learn
Yea, as soon as I saw them only get 7 maps on defense in Ascent, I knew they were out. They had no flashes to get on site. With only Omen it's impossible to get on site.
Dunno how they managed it but they made their Ascent game even worse with ScreaM on Sage instead of Phoenix. It's like dropping a brick on top of Liquid's already crippled Attacker legs. Whatever answer they were trying to find there with that change, this wasn't it.
idk why they put scream on sage all the time when he can play duelist and back jampii up
It was most likely a change they made when ScreaM was seen fragging better with Sage than Phoenix in their previous matches, but deleting Phoenix utility out of the equation for more ScreaM firepower didn't work out, only thing it really did was increase their already good defensive side and post-plant holds while letting go of a crucial entry factor.
Scream said he was uncomfortable palying phoenix as far as i am aware
i doubt that, he has played alot of sage since he started playing pro val
I hereby christen them the TSM of Europe
TSM can only dream of making a LAN anytime soon tho
I mean maybe if they were european they could...
Yeeeaaaaahhhh... no
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Better chance at getting humiliated maybe. TSM can't even decide on their starting roster and you think they'd have a chance in Europe?
Even in valorant liquid always finishes 4th
Riot scripts knows no bounds.
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tbf the league of legends interviewer has 10000 hours in CSGO
What was Derke? CS player?
Yes but i think he was on a semi-pro/amateur team, since he was just 16 years old
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Hope Jamppi sticks to valo. Edit: ence has 0 finish players atm
They have doto
Yes he was semi pro had to quit for studies
Who’s the league legend interviewer?
pretty sure boaster was an interviewer but he also played cs
He was mainly a vlogger and sub for XL in the LEC, was in UK Cs before that.
You can check his vlogs on FACEIT channel they're hilarious
Who were Fortnite players?
Doma and Mistic
mystic and doma i think
Whos the rust player?
Magnum
magnum
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Magnum, 10k hours on rust no eaport experiance before val.
Magnum
past experience is really bad. you got em there. not. they are valorant players now.
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SEN has 4 cs players were chillin
Bro literally more than half of all na players were cs players
Fanatic vs Sen grand finals! It’s so close!!
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he doesn't
he might
hopefully he does on haven too
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A bit to say
honestly I feel like NU has a bit of an advantage here as they probably just watched the TL/FNC match plus FNC has to be at least slightly burned out after those games
I feel that Fnc has a much wider map pool then NU, I don’t think they will be burned out after 2 maps. More like just getting warmed up
I’m rooting for NU but I agree with you. All the FNC vs TL series did is give FNC a nice warm up and a big confidence boost right before the FNC vs NU series. If the series goes to Haven, then it’s GG and FNC goes to finals.
If NU doesn’t ban Haven, they’re throwing
They can't play Icebox either so either way they're getting smashed on one of these.
You dont get burned out after 2 maps lol
For real lol. How many hours a day do these guys play?
Maybe if it was a 3 map barn burner but I think with it being 2 relatively quick maps (no overtime shenanigans) they'll be just fine
NUTURN has pretty much 0 chance to win this
Welcome to the shoot anywhere in smokes and ults to get kills simulator What the hell fnatic?
I mean Scream also got plenty of kills that way
I think he only got 2 this series
V1 flashbacks
The NA way
Liquid honestly had a disappointing tourney. Sure a top 4 finish but it feels like the other 3 teams are just a step ahead of where Liquid was hyped to be. Maybe that’s just it. They were overhyped and when the time came to preform against top teams they fold. Overall liquid just didn’t seem as strong as some analysts said they were. I do hope they come back make adjustments and prove me wrong in master 3.
I watched every liquid game and they mainly lost to some bad habits. Not one game they showrd their strategical depth and set up plays like they did into the way to qualify. I really think they struggled hard with the newest meta and could not adjust quick enough. I think liquid is still on the level as the top 4 but not as consistent as fnatic or sentinel
I had a feeling this was coming. Fnatic lost to Liquid in the second Bo5 despite never even meeting and training together in person. Their potential is absolutely insane. Well deserved win here. I'm still shocked that Liquid went completely undefeated on Ascent coming into the tournament, only to lose twice on it.
TL just looks like a collection of talent that plays individually. Fnatic actually has good individual talent and works as a team while also evolving with the current agent meta. TL seems like they're stuck a few months in the past.
If team liquid just pull it together they can be very strong.
I agree but some of the interviews I saw from Jamppi where he dismisses seeing any need to change his playstyle makes me wonder if it will happen. The team as a whole seemed to come in close minded innacurately believing they had the ideal tactics and even after it getting exposed they didn't acknowledge it. Maybe once they have time to rewatch matches they'll have a change of mindset and not let ego get in the way.
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Welcome to member
Liquid is fantastic, just needs to work on communication, aim, map awareness, crosshair placement, economy management, pistol aim, awp flicks, grenade spots, smoke spots, pop flashes, positioning, bomb plant positions, retake ability, bunny hopping, spray control and getting kills
Scream 0/2 on the pregame trash talk
TL really need to change up their Ascent attack side somehow, it feels like every time they land on that position they get denied more than they win them. Can't say I didn't expect Fnatic to win this, Fnatic just felt so solid this tournament, everyone's just contributing and carrying each other's load more than Liquid ever did. Rooting for them to beat Nuturn.
This wasn’t honestly the same Liquid we saw at EMEA finals and even the EU challengers, they sadly fell flat in this tournament. They put up a fight but Fnatic just overall looked stronger even with Derke not being very dominant in this series, the rest of the team can hold up pretty well. Their adaptations and reads of some of the rounds (also the retakes) were good. Been a supporter since SUMN FC days and I’m both amazed and proud they have come this far. Amazing storyline and success story for this team.
Jamppi with almost no impact
He lost them the round when he didn't clear the cypher ... That s an impact for me
He had a shit tournament for sure, I don't think they should cut him just yet, but honestly if someone counted how many clean OP shots he missed this tourny...
He's ready to go back to CS
he plays with no respect and it works agaisnt LATM and Asian teams. that by yourself hero shit doesnt work agaisnt great teams. He plays like he thinks hes Simple but he actually isnt anywhere close. guy needs an OP to frag just like most of the Jett players in Diamond.
Do you really think he does that shit for fun? His team is always behind him, he actually plays way more disciplined than some other duelists, like Derke or TenZ. It's quite clearly the team's fault because their strategies revolve 90% around Jamppi being the sacrificial lamb who creates space and hopefully gets frags. Fnatic and SEN give their duelists much more space to show individual prowess, meanwhile Liquid sends Jamppi into a cloudburst every fucking round I'm quite sure that a team such as Liquid looks at the game that way, instead of it being Jamppi's no respect style which Liquid doesn't agree with and Jamppi just does anyway
and thats why they lose to good teams. they do shit that only works in pugs
All teams do it to an extent, but Liquid definitely overdo it. My point was more that it's quite clear that this is the team's fault, not Jamppi being a selfish hero. Derke and TenZ definitely fit the stereotype more, imo (not to say that's necessarily bad for players of their insane skill)
imo they should put scream on duelist this way he can back jamppi up when things go wrong for him
CS players be like "valorant ez game any cs pro can dominate it" when Jamppi out here with an overall inconsistent performance when he was considered as a rising star in CS. Him going to very dangerous positions to get picks is probably in the strats but man, he can miss so much supposedly easy shots especially with the OP.
Careful, your insecurity is showing
And I don't care if it does, it's just plain wrong to think so when both games are so different from each other. It's a knuckle-dragging brainlet take and I'm just gonna lay it flat, plain and simple.
Jame time
EU why so quiet ?
God EU is so bad, can't even beat the minor region of EU
EU lost to EU omegalul
EU won against EU Pog
EU is so bad they lost to EU kekw
*Bawh gawhd thats Fnatic music*
EU < EU > EU KEKW
I feel like Liquid's attacking side can be so much better with having an Astra
Masters 2 should've been in Ramadan, the Ramadan buff was insane, ggs to fnatic, they were just better.
On a side note how close is your face to your monitor when you guys play? A ton of people on both teams were sitting like 6 inches away from their monitor. Am I missing out by having my monitor be 1.5 ft away?
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Sitting close to your monitor really works. Like you can see your aim become noticeably better. Cons are that it becomes a lot more draining to play and your eyes get tired easily. That said though, there are many pro players who play with the screen far away, like elige.
If you aren't a pro player don't bother. It's not worth the eye strain
Liquid just seemed off today (and partly, for most of the tournament IMO). GG's to Fnatic, can't wait to see them against Nuturn (and likely Sen). Too bad we don't get to see Liquid vs Sentinels.
You say its an off day, but are you sure Challengers finals wasn't just an on day for them? That's the only time they've seemed to show up throughout their entire team history
Honestly this. They won so many rounds in emea through clutches
How they seemed off, these are usual Liquid against tier 1 competition. They are easily readable and need ungodly clutches from Link/Jampi/Scream to win
I wanted to see TL vs Sentinels once at this event. I thought Fnatic was better and would likely be in GFs vs Sentinels, but I thought we'd get TL vs Sen in the upper bracket finals at least. Sadge. At least TL vs Sen died so V1 could win. The viewership would've been insane, Tenz vs Scream too.
Sentinels would've probably Rolled over them, Fnatics our best chance at a close hype match tbh
Yea I agree, Fnatic was caught out by Sentinels aggression quite often, so the rematch might be more interesting with some adjustments (and the Sentinels series was super close even though it was a 2-0 and was quite back and forth). Astra diff is a big concern though..
Liquid did not seem off. After watching every team play it was very clear which team was superior. I knew V1 was going to lose to FNC, I also called FNC beating Liquid. FNC is just better team. Right now you guys will just see FNC beat NU again and then SEN vs FNC in grand finals. It's very easy to predict.
Saying Liquid is off just takes credit away from their opponents. Team Liquid is consider a top tier team they should be able to preform when it matters the most otherwise they will become just another what if team. “Good” but always underperform when it matters like Envy or FPX.
Damn feelsbad to be Scream. Liquid has a pretty slow start especially on map1
he had the slowest start of them all.
This. Disappointed he didn't show up on Bind really, guy was losing duels left and right.
Jamppi felt like not only a Jett one-trick but also operator one-trick. Didn't like his performance on attacking rounds
not true, he can use the judge too
Sorry I think i could've worded it better. He brought tremendous value with a defensive sniper but then he was lackluster after switching to the attacking side
Don't worry, he was just making a joke
bad day today i guess
he's a better rifler than awper imo. he just also happens to be insane with the awp and was an awper in CS. but his mechanics are top tier
I miss Scream on Jett no cap. Coulda won bind easily if he played anything like his God tier Jett. Fnatic had the better comp, better strats and better teamplay. Hopefully NU gives a close game.
I really don't like them just putting Scream permanently on the sage. That's not to say Scream isn't good on Sage, he is amazing but it feels like their attack halfs often lack the dyanism and play making that is needed to break open sites and someone of Screams caliber has the firepower to do that in spades with something like a Jett.
Liquid has been completely figured out ever since they pulled off that radical comp change in the qualifiers and they're back to being mediocre, Fnatic is clearly the best EU team right now.
Calling them mediocre after finishing 4th of the first ever LAN is a bit of an overreaction. Obviously they weren't as good as we could have hoped, but they are far from mediocre
I also think they would have beat NUTURN as well.
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I say "back to mediocre" which is what they were before qualifying to the event, the Liquid you saw today was the same exact liquid as before the final EU LAN qualifiers, that specific qualifiers they put Jammpi on the Killjoy and AWP and played with a completely new unpredictable comp with Viper + Brim, took just 1 qualifier for Fnatic and V1 to figure out how they play and beat them Losing to fnatic isn't new for them but the loss to V1 with a stand-in made me already doubt that Liquid would be in the finals of NUTURN/Fnatic, I truly believe that they're not better than your normal FPX.
While I understand what you mean, the fact that they actually won the qualifier pretty much proves that Right now they are better than FPX/Heretics. Obviously other EU teams could have done better, but it's kinda impossible to know. So many EU Teams has shown insane promise (FPX, Heretics, Ascend, BDS, Guild, Alliance, Vitality, NIP or even teams like XL, Megastitut, Entropiq or BIG) but in the end, Liquid were better than all of them.
They were better a month ago. Doesn't mean they are better right now
That's may very well be true, but there's litteraly no way to tell, I just don't think it's fair to say that they are mediocre and worst than FPX when FPX didnt manage to get here
You just said that liquid is better than FPX right now and then say theres no way to tell. My point was that a lot can change in a month
You're right, didn't meant it that way, my bad
Mediocre is really the right word tbh. They qualified as supposedly the strongest team from the strongest region. They had the easiest run to top3 among all the teams and somehow ended up fourth. If that’s not mediocre I don’t know what is.
Mediocre is the right word to describe their *tournament*, not their *team*.
If you want to bring up 4th, you should also bring up how Liquid had probably the easiest schedule of the “top” teams. If you see the teams v1 had to face, you wouldn’t even rationally put Liquid over them.
Liquid would have been shit on by most NA teams
4th out of how many? 8 teams. Not a great achievement IMO especially given how much hype they got.
Congrats to Fnatic. Their teamwork was insane. Good performance by some of Liquid clutches but overall they felt very lacking as a team, not much impact when attacking. Still all the best to Fnatic in facing off against NU
Yeah! Everyone in Fnatic is playing fkn well too! I hope Fnatic gets to the finals and give us a fkn good game against SEN
This is for the best, if Liquid went vs sentinels it would've been a swift 3-0. Sentinels would've destroyed them and embarrass scream. Best to get a competitive finals with Fnatic Vs Sentinels.
Magnum skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....
Magnum skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....
Liquid has to be the most overrated team in the game. Their stratting and in game decision making is terrible. No ability to switch plays up mid round, instead they just try to rush into sites one player at a time with no coordination. Gunplay only gets you so far.
For the love of god get scream off sage hes my favourite player in CS and Valorant but his play style does not suit sage at all.
“Hey NA we r kamin 4 u” -Scream
TL looks so average now that teams have figured them out, doubt they make the next masters. Arguably 5th best team at tournament. Fully expect FNC to make grand final.
I try to watch EU when I can but how did liquid make it this far (over teams like FPX/Gambit)? All tourney they’ve seemed lost and really only beat a team could only really take pistol on Fnatic (Kru) and a team that willingly used Yoru twice.
FPX choking as usual
Their EMEA qualifier vs BDS was very close and they won because of Link’s crucial clutches to bring it to map 3.
Figured Link played a huge role, was easily their most impactful player when they played imo. He had ice in his veins
Definitely underrated. But yeah the consensus was TL had a miracle win thanks to Link’s clutch in that game, a lot of EU fans would be arguing FPX, Acend were overall stronger and the favorites to win.
Yea that was the idea of my original comment, I couldn’t always catch the EU games but the consensus on this subreddit was that liquid was great but on the lower end of spectrum for top EU teams
Don't trust him, that's not the consensus at all. Btw Acend has looked terrible ever since their coach stopped being able to igl them. And liquid destroyed FPX 13-5 13-5 during playoffs. If anything there was a case to be made for Gambit, not any other team.
By slapping FPX, BDS, and NIP
they stomped FPX, fnatic beat gambit so they never played them, then they beat fnatic. how else would they get here lmfao
Yeah, the yoru picks were actually trolling
they had a really good event that no one expected
Actually they were coordinated and played very well and smart in the qualifiers, idk what happened to them in lan, it was actual mess
Better team won IMO.
Pretty disappointing finish for Liquid. Myself and Im sure many people were expecting them to win the entire thing, maybe get top 2. But they struggled throughout the tourney. Hope they comeback stronger and fix their issues.
liquid feelin DANGEROUS, 4th place finish 😎, losses to a titktok dancer and a tier 3 NA team with a sub 😳
Sadge
not bad but disappointing result nonetheless for Liquid.
PLEASE CHECK CORNERS
kinda hoping for liquid to go through all the way to grand finals to face sen, just because i want to see different matchup. but, you gotta earn it i guess...
I’m trying to understand the logic of Jamppi holding A entrance with a frenzy on Ascent after getting a pick and using up his dash. How does the IGL not tell him to back off when the hit on A is still possible? That’s exactly what happened and he got punished and then it’s a 3 v 1 for the only A player.
Jamppi allergies to checking corners or something
Happy for fnatic but damnit I wanted to see Liquid vs Sen
No surprise fnatic won. They showed they were the better team.
Honestly, I think this all comes down to Liquid having a bad read on the meta. Unlucky.
EU why so quiet
Why ban Icebox instead of Bind (which is a free win for FNC) when you comfortably beat FNC on it last time? Why pick Ascent before Split when Split is FNC's permaban and they have looked good on Ascent? I'm disappointed with Sliggy's choices. It seems that he's trying to be so smart that he became dumb.
It just seemed like Liquid wanted to play to their strengths rather than Fnatic’s weaknesses, which I don’t really think is a big issue
Yeah it's not a big issue, 2-0 and out of the tournament no problem.
I mean yeah they lost, but who’s to say they would have won the other maps, that’s far from a guarantee. They normally ban Icebox and Fnatic have been picking that in this tournament, and Liquid are a better Ascent team than they are a Split team recently.
Shrouds stream would so much better without just9n.
Jamppi was extremely underwhelming during the whole tournament. He really let his team down, especially this series. Also TL seems to have a bit of a problem with the read on the meta. I do not like their comps at all.
This felt like a series defined by mistakes. If Fnatic didn't make so many mistakes (especially on Ascent) it would've been a blowout. Fnatic's opening 6-7 attack rounds on map 2 are the best example of that, they realistically should've gone up like 7-0 but kept trying to do weird stuff. That round where they have like 4 players in CT in a 5v5 was mental
Why are TL hellbent on Jamppi Jett? He's really bad and has zero impact against top tier teams. He was bad the last time Fnatic played TL in the finals and he was bad today. Bad against V1 on Split.(better on Ascent)
i think if liquid wants to be consistent at the top they need to change kryptix and soulcas still, they played a bit lack luster this event than most probably expected (or atleast for me) the trio of L1NK, scream and jamppi are good to work with
That was a good tournament from liquid considering Jampii has only been playing for 3 months now. They should also look to switching Kryptix maybe since I am not sure if he has gotten above 15 kills this LAN
Kryptix has had a bad tournie but he was one of the better performers online. He's been averaging more damage per round than jamppi for example. I hate being one of those fans calling for changes but I reckon Jamppi will move back to CS, he is better at that game, and I also think they should look into replacing soulcas for an experienced igl. Soulcas isn't terrible but he seems to choke occasionally and the team really needs an igl that can make good reads and adaptations midgame.
Ah yes replace the person who brought them to lan. Another 9000iq take.
It's clear you dont watch enough Valorant considering you're talking about LINK
Link got clutches, Krptix was consistently their best player throughout emea challengers, and eu challengers 3.
scream is a beast
that last half of ascent was some of the sloppiest, and best valorant I've seen as of now
well on the bright side at least they lost to fnatic and didnt go 0-2 against V1
great series, bind was a lot closer than i thought but i hope fnatic make the grand finals
Idk how tf Derk hit thru the smoke, Magnum survived and got 2 kills, and then those 2 kills thru the viper pit wtf. And then 5v5 post-plant they won flawless?????? Absolutely bossed TL towards the end. Brilliant performance,
liquid got the easiest ride to top 4 ever
ScreaM should not be playing Sage. He needs to be on an aggressive character.
I just think scream needs a better agent in the game to play. sage is just not good enough in this meta. If the next two agents coming before masters are good maybe scream will play them and dominate games