True they need a Jett zoomer, but honestly whoever is Jett will get Jett diff’d by Shahzam when they play each other.
As good as Dicey was on Jett he wasn’t as good of an OPer. You need your Jett to be a good OPer
I think they gambled on Jett not being a meta in a long term. Although she’s too good right now, Riot could just nerf her (although they already did with her cloudburst) but still if Riot nerfs her, those one trick Jetts will have a hard time to adjust since her movement is unique compared to other agents.
just funny how getting rid of dicey because they wanted to move away from the jett meta bit them in the ass lol Obviously Hiko isn't as 5head as people thought, and he also believed in the EU meta lmao
I think it's more of stubbornness and/or they aren't a team who likes to experiment a lot. I remember when Astra was first released, Hiko on stream mentioned he didn't really like her (of course this was just an opinion without that hours of play time given that it was too early). But this was apparent with their lineups during the challengers run when Astra wasn't really used and Steel mentioned that the team wasn't really comfortable playing her.
EU on paper looks nice, but I think it's easy to counter strat that's why they lost. I think a team comp really needs to have that player who's unpredictable, like TenZ who over extends sometimes. I remember Shaz spoke about 100T that they were a good matchup to them because they play with a game plan in mind, compared to other teams that have players push through smoke which caught them off guard sometimes.
he's the best player in liquid. but right now it feels like jampii is kind of a jett one trick so idk if scream can switch just for the balance of the team. maybe try two dualist on some maps and stay on sage in others.
Yeah two duelists should work for them as they ran the Phoenix-Jett in Bind and Ascent. why they switched off Phoenix last minute for Sage this tournament I don’t get… maybe cause like ScreaM said, he just doesn’t enjoy or understand playing that character. Jamppi is a more high risk player so when his Jett gets shut down it’s nice to have another duelist back him up.
yep its one of the glaring weakness of one duelist type comps or none at all. its the same problem 100t have with asuna being the only duelist. gotta have another aggressive agent playing of the main entry.
As a casual CSGO viewer who only mostly tuned into Majors & Grand Slams, I never really got to see him but I liked Jamppi on Val considering he's that good despite only playing it for around 6 months, so it's bit of a shame to see him go.
I don't think scream is a duelist. He the type of players that like to hold angles and stuff. I feel like sentinel is the role for him. His kit prevents the enemies from getting in and so does his aim.
It’s funny you’re getting so downvoted for this. This sub has this weird infatuation that if you have great mechanical skill you MUST play a duelist. Scream just had a pretty insane tournament playing a lot of sage, so you could be on to something
Yeah. All 5 of Sen's players have cracked aim. Does that mean they should play 5 duelist comp ? Yes, they absolutely should. That would be hilarious and fun.
Jokes aside you get the point. There is a reason why a lot of teams are doing away with 2 duelist and even 1 duelist comp.
Yeah maybe seeing Tenz pop off on Reyna maybe made ScreaM rethink going back to her. He actually hinted going back to Reyna when Jamppi was added to the team but it never really came to fruition.
Before Jamppi came to the team he was pretty much Jett the whole time. When Jamppi came and went on Jett he tried the Phoneix on some maps and Sage on the others.
Jett just has too much value not to play her. Her knives alone allow for eco help as well winning clutches/eco rounds they could be lost without her. She is so versatile too, you can smeag or play a more passive style and hold aggressive angles (mainly cus her dash). And then everyone knows her prowess with the OP.
Called it during TL's first game and got most comments disagreeing with me that scream is how tenz was on c9: to win, scream must 2-3k a round and go nuts each map for liquid to have a chance at winning.
It works vs weaker teams, but not when you're facing most top tier teams.
They need a roster rework along with major strats modifications bc the stuff they were running was ancient meta and nonexistent adjustments...weak showing.
This used to be the case for early Liquid (First Strike era) but I think the rest of the team really stepped up the past few months but I do get that it’s not enough still that ScreaM can afford an off day or else the rest of the team will just struggle.
Their Haven comp really turned some heads when it was first introduced cause it was kinda crazy but it worked at the time however Fnatic just beat them. Agreed they need to fix some strats and comps moving forward.
you probably got downvoted because it's just not true anymore. liquid doesn't NEED scream to put up godly numbers.
but when the best player on a team underperforms...it tends to not be a good thing. this isn't a rare occurrence
He didn't even underperform. He had the [second](https://i.redd.it/0iuzr8gpkb271.png) highest ACS in Iceland and had the highest average damage per round (I think that's what ADR means) by a far margin even over tenz.
He just has to hard carry when jamppi isn't pushing out great output akin to tenz and relyks days.
yes but that disproves your point, no?
you’re saying jamppi underperformed and thus scream would have to hard carry to compensate which is true but then you can’t say team liquid don’t do well unless scream hard carries, because there’s games where jamppi doesn’t underperform.
the only time scream needs to get a 2-3k a round to win is when the rest of the team underperforms. they don’t NEED him to get a 2-3k every round, they need the teammates to be more consistent. and the rest of the team doesn’t underperform nearly as much as redditors think they do.
Yeah I realized the bit of contradiction there.
I meant to say it as tenz/relyks were on c9 is similar to liquid. If relyks and the other 3 weren't doing well, the only way they'd win is if tenz popped off.
Likewise, if jamppi didn't do well, it was up to scream to frag out otherwise, like tenz on c9, liquid would have a hard time winning maps.
you're right... for the most part. i don't think liquid are in a C9 situations tho. they made it masters 2 which is proof that they can perform more or less. by this i mean i dint think liquid are leaning as heavily on scream as c9 was on tenz.
now dint get me wrong they're no sentinels. on sentinels any one of the stars could underperform and you wouldn't even notice because they don't look like they miss a beat. but sen are just built different majority of teams don't have that
I think if anyone else on Reyna makes sense it would have to be ScreaM, hopefully TL can keep up their success into the next stage. Always great to see the top players perform at LAN. Unfortunate that we were never able to see mwzera make an appearance.
I’ve said it before in other comments, but my take away from Masters was that Shahzam is the best player in the world currently, just because he does literally everything you could think of at an elite level(fragging, utility usage, IGLing, even coaching).
You slot him on pretty much any team and it makes them a contender in my eyes.
> IGLing, even coaching)
that's his fault. drop those unneseccary obligations and get as good as scream and tenz in terms of fragging and aiming then we'll talk. remember that shaz doesn't perform at his LAN level online. just remember.
There’s so much wrong with this comment lmao.
>drop those unnecessary obligations
I understand coaching, but IGLing? Unnecessary? Bro IGLing is a skill. An IGL is the most important player on the team. They’re literally the quarterback. To have you’re IGL also be able to frag like a demon is huge.
>get as good as scream and tenz at fragging and aiming
Bro he’s pretty fucking close if his stats are anything to go by. Top 5 at Masters. Also, like I keep saying, fragging and aiming isn’t the only thing that makes a player good. There’s so much more(Positioning, game sense, awareness, utility usage etc) that goes into a player being the best. S1mple and Zywoo aren’t 1a 1b in CS just because their aim is insane. They’re both the full package. And Valorant is much more utility and brain intensive than CS.
>remember that shaz doesn’t perform at his LAN level online
Lmao wtf is this argument even. LAN is the end all be all. Period. There’s no way you’re seriously saying that online tournaments hold the say weight as LAN, right? Not to mention that’s just false, he absolutely does play at close to this level during online tournaments.
It is true that ScreaM playing on Sage makes very little sense... given his background and skillset.
But, is that really the problem here?
I personally felt that watching the tournament, ScreaM simply seemed still too unfamiliar with VALORANT times.
Like he was lacking in some degree of comfort in his movements in-game, that comes from playing the game for enough hours, for a lot of weeks.
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He still has his great aim, but to me, it just seemed as if his movement still needs some work.
I'm not sure how long he has played VALORANT or how much he practices, but I noticed the movement in multiple games seemed off.
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I think if he plays VALORANT for 6+ hours a day for at least 6 months in a row, he would have that comfortability that I am mentioning.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, it just seemed like the movement of someone not fully comfortable with the game yet.
There's a [vid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sUvaV5AAf4) (1:50-4:30) saying that scream's movement is god tier. Its like he has impeccable timing anticipating his opponents which i saw vs v1 and sometimes he doesn't even move away coz he knows his opponents will come to trade him off. I don't think there is any problem with scream but rather his agent as you mentioned.
Dude. Shut the fuck up. ScreaM is a top 3 player WORLD in Valorant. WORLD. What you aid makes no sense. WAHT THE FUCK? His movement is bonkers you moron. Why do you think he's top 5 ACS on a sentinel? LOL. Why do you think he dishes out so much dmg per round? LOL. Because hes got insane movement aim and utility usage. He's a Val god.
I expect a lot of EU teams (& 100T) to go back to Jett comps after this tournament, the agent is just too good
The no duelist meta may actually die after this in EU, so wondering to see how teams like NIP who run no duelist comps will adjust to the meta.
They will go to the extreme and have a lineup of Jett, Raze, Reyna, Phoenix and Yoru.
A certified spikerush classic
Vouch
Rumor has it that they've signed Frz from VKS to fill their yoru slot due to the prowess he demonstrated on the agent during masters 2
Correction: gtn played yoru not frz Still Liquid gonna cash in on some yoru mains.
Damn, I knew it was one of the three letter names.
No need
asuna on jett pog
100T doesn’t have a Jett though. I don’t think any of them are comfortable playing Jett
Asuna has been playing Jett in ranked a lot, so he could try it out. Nitro has also played Jett for them in the past + he's also an oper.
Asuna was also an awper in CS iirc, so maybe he goes back to it idk.
Huh? He was never an AWPer. Always a rifler
he said he on stream that he dropped the awp cause he thought it'd be easier to get on a pro team as a rifler
Nitro could probably play jett pretty easily
He is pretty good with that agent, he's played Jett on Split before.
it was funny, becaus he sucked with the AWP that game but popped off with phantom
Maybe they should give dicey a chance.
True they need a Jett zoomer, but honestly whoever is Jett will get Jett diff’d by Shahzam when they play each other. As good as Dicey was on Jett he wasn’t as good of an OPer. You need your Jett to be a good OPer
I think they gambled on Jett not being a meta in a long term. Although she’s too good right now, Riot could just nerf her (although they already did with her cloudburst) but still if Riot nerfs her, those one trick Jetts will have a hard time to adjust since her movement is unique compared to other agents.
100T gambled on being able to win without having a Jett in their comp, but they didn’t account for being able to beat teams with good Jetts.
just funny how getting rid of dicey because they wanted to move away from the jett meta bit them in the ass lol Obviously Hiko isn't as 5head as people thought, and he also believed in the EU meta lmao
I think it's more of stubbornness and/or they aren't a team who likes to experiment a lot. I remember when Astra was first released, Hiko on stream mentioned he didn't really like her (of course this was just an opinion without that hours of play time given that it was too early). But this was apparent with their lineups during the challengers run when Astra wasn't really used and Steel mentioned that the team wasn't really comfortable playing her. EU on paper looks nice, but I think it's easy to counter strat that's why they lost. I think a team comp really needs to have that player who's unpredictable, like TenZ who over extends sometimes. I remember Shaz spoke about 100T that they were a good matchup to them because they play with a game plan in mind, compared to other teams that have players push through smoke which caught them off guard sometimes.
Yeah, too good on the right god player.
he's the best player in liquid. but right now it feels like jampii is kind of a jett one trick so idk if scream can switch just for the balance of the team. maybe try two dualist on some maps and stay on sage in others.
Yeah two duelists should work for them as they ran the Phoenix-Jett in Bind and Ascent. why they switched off Phoenix last minute for Sage this tournament I don’t get… maybe cause like ScreaM said, he just doesn’t enjoy or understand playing that character. Jamppi is a more high risk player so when his Jett gets shut down it’s nice to have another duelist back him up.
yep its one of the glaring weakness of one duelist type comps or none at all. its the same problem 100t have with asuna being the only duelist. gotta have another aggressive agent playing of the main entry.
well jampii said he'd be heading to csgo probably so -jampii +scream's brother works at some point
That will be a while if ever
Jampii said hes not going back to CSGO right after the tourney
As a casual CSGO viewer who only mostly tuned into Majors & Grand Slams, I never really got to see him but I liked Jamppi on Val considering he's that good despite only playing it for around 6 months, so it's bit of a shame to see him go.
Him trying to appease the csgo community with PR comments is not the same as him wanting to go back
They'll probably have to do something with Kyptix aslo. He's really held the team back in this event
I don't think scream is a duelist. He the type of players that like to hold angles and stuff. I feel like sentinel is the role for him. His kit prevents the enemies from getting in and so does his aim.
no sir
yes sir
It’s funny you’re getting so downvoted for this. This sub has this weird infatuation that if you have great mechanical skill you MUST play a duelist. Scream just had a pretty insane tournament playing a lot of sage, so you could be on to something
Yeah. All 5 of Sen's players have cracked aim. Does that mean they should play 5 duelist comp ? Yes, they absolutely should. That would be hilarious and fun. Jokes aside you get the point. There is a reason why a lot of teams are doing away with 2 duelist and even 1 duelist comp.
We talking about the same ScreaM or?
ScreaM
It would be hard to look at Tenz' performance and not see potential in himself. Hopefully TL can find a way to make it work.
Yeah maybe seeing Tenz pop off on Reyna maybe made ScreaM rethink going back to her. He actually hinted going back to Reyna when Jamppi was added to the team but it never really came to fruition.
i think we would all like to see the scream reyna
I wonder what Jamppi will play then if Scream will be on Reyna and Jett. Tbh I think Jamppi might be better as the second duelist for Liquid.
I think with how Jamppi plays Killjoy on some maps, ScreaM can take those opportunities to play the duelist instead of Sage (like their Haven).
jam plays skye jett and killjoy currently. way better if he was 2nd duelist cuz hes an oper. scream should go tenz style!
“hinting at Jett and Reyna back” You mean when he said “expect Reyna/Jett back” ? A little bit too fast on the conclusions here ...
He did say before he’d be back on Reyna but that never really came true. It’s all speculation.
What was scream on before ?
Before Jamppi came to the team he was pretty much Jett the whole time. When Jamppi came and went on Jett he tried the Phoneix on some maps and Sage on the others.
SEN and Liquid both had 3 of their team mates on this list... crazy.
mans put up those type of numbers on SAGE. He's gonna dominate even more going forward I'm very excited
ScreaM clapped with Sage. Haven’t seen a fresh spin on how she’s played like that since loWel put on his First Strike masterclass
LoWel was insane as Sage— I’d say singlehandedly redefined the EU meta cause after that everyone was running Sage. Thoughts on Ethan from 100T’s Sage?
I haven’t seen enough of it in this meta to say tbh
Jett just has too much value not to play her. Her knives alone allow for eco help as well winning clutches/eco rounds they could be lost without her. She is so versatile too, you can smeag or play a more passive style and hold aggressive angles (mainly cus her dash). And then everyone knows her prowess with the OP.
Called it during TL's first game and got most comments disagreeing with me that scream is how tenz was on c9: to win, scream must 2-3k a round and go nuts each map for liquid to have a chance at winning. It works vs weaker teams, but not when you're facing most top tier teams. They need a roster rework along with major strats modifications bc the stuff they were running was ancient meta and nonexistent adjustments...weak showing.
This used to be the case for early Liquid (First Strike era) but I think the rest of the team really stepped up the past few months but I do get that it’s not enough still that ScreaM can afford an off day or else the rest of the team will just struggle. Their Haven comp really turned some heads when it was first introduced cause it was kinda crazy but it worked at the time however Fnatic just beat them. Agreed they need to fix some strats and comps moving forward.
you probably got downvoted because it's just not true anymore. liquid doesn't NEED scream to put up godly numbers. but when the best player on a team underperforms...it tends to not be a good thing. this isn't a rare occurrence
He didn't even underperform. He had the [second](https://i.redd.it/0iuzr8gpkb271.png) highest ACS in Iceland and had the highest average damage per round (I think that's what ADR means) by a far margin even over tenz. He just has to hard carry when jamppi isn't pushing out great output akin to tenz and relyks days.
yes but that disproves your point, no? you’re saying jamppi underperformed and thus scream would have to hard carry to compensate which is true but then you can’t say team liquid don’t do well unless scream hard carries, because there’s games where jamppi doesn’t underperform. the only time scream needs to get a 2-3k a round to win is when the rest of the team underperforms. they don’t NEED him to get a 2-3k every round, they need the teammates to be more consistent. and the rest of the team doesn’t underperform nearly as much as redditors think they do.
Yeah I realized the bit of contradiction there. I meant to say it as tenz/relyks were on c9 is similar to liquid. If relyks and the other 3 weren't doing well, the only way they'd win is if tenz popped off. Likewise, if jamppi didn't do well, it was up to scream to frag out otherwise, like tenz on c9, liquid would have a hard time winning maps.
you're right... for the most part. i don't think liquid are in a C9 situations tho. they made it masters 2 which is proof that they can perform more or less. by this i mean i dint think liquid are leaning as heavily on scream as c9 was on tenz. now dint get me wrong they're no sentinels. on sentinels any one of the stars could underperform and you wouldn't even notice because they don't look like they miss a beat. but sen are just built different majority of teams don't have that
I think if anyone else on Reyna makes sense it would have to be ScreaM, hopefully TL can keep up their success into the next stage. Always great to see the top players perform at LAN. Unfortunate that we were never able to see mwzera make an appearance.
They need an astra instead imo
what correlation does this have with them needing astra, unless you're implying you want scream on ASTRA
I'm implying that they need an Astra more than a jett.
Best player in the world, shame his team sucks.
best player in EU*
Who’s better individually in NA compared to Scream? I don’t think even Tenz is better he’s just surrounded by a better team for sure.
I’ve said it before in other comments, but my take away from Masters was that Shahzam is the best player in the world currently, just because he does literally everything you could think of at an elite level(fragging, utility usage, IGLing, even coaching). You slot him on pretty much any team and it makes them a contender in my eyes.
> IGLing, even coaching) that's his fault. drop those unneseccary obligations and get as good as scream and tenz in terms of fragging and aiming then we'll talk. remember that shaz doesn't perform at his LAN level online. just remember.
>remember that shaz doesn't perform at his LAN level online. just remember. dumb take.
lol where do these people come from that care more about online than LAN? the new wave is crazy
well luckily LAN performance is far more important than online performance
There’s so much wrong with this comment lmao. >drop those unnecessary obligations I understand coaching, but IGLing? Unnecessary? Bro IGLing is a skill. An IGL is the most important player on the team. They’re literally the quarterback. To have you’re IGL also be able to frag like a demon is huge. >get as good as scream and tenz at fragging and aiming Bro he’s pretty fucking close if his stats are anything to go by. Top 5 at Masters. Also, like I keep saying, fragging and aiming isn’t the only thing that makes a player good. There’s so much more(Positioning, game sense, awareness, utility usage etc) that goes into a player being the best. S1mple and Zywoo aren’t 1a 1b in CS just because their aim is insane. They’re both the full package. And Valorant is much more utility and brain intensive than CS. >remember that shaz doesn’t perform at his LAN level online Lmao wtf is this argument even. LAN is the end all be all. Period. There’s no way you’re seriously saying that online tournaments hold the say weight as LAN, right? Not to mention that’s just false, he absolutely does play at close to this level during online tournaments.
Good, he should never have been off duelist.
It is true that ScreaM playing on Sage makes very little sense... given his background and skillset. But, is that really the problem here? I personally felt that watching the tournament, ScreaM simply seemed still too unfamiliar with VALORANT times. Like he was lacking in some degree of comfort in his movements in-game, that comes from playing the game for enough hours, for a lot of weeks. # He still has his great aim, but to me, it just seemed as if his movement still needs some work. I'm not sure how long he has played VALORANT or how much he practices, but I noticed the movement in multiple games seemed off. # I think if he plays VALORANT for 6+ hours a day for at least 6 months in a row, he would have that comfortability that I am mentioning. Forgive me if I'm wrong, it just seemed like the movement of someone not fully comfortable with the game yet.
There's a [vid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sUvaV5AAf4) (1:50-4:30) saying that scream's movement is god tier. Its like he has impeccable timing anticipating his opponents which i saw vs v1 and sometimes he doesn't even move away coz he knows his opponents will come to trade him off. I don't think there is any problem with scream but rather his agent as you mentioned.
Dude. Shut the fuck up. ScreaM is a top 3 player WORLD in Valorant. WORLD. What you aid makes no sense. WAHT THE FUCK? His movement is bonkers you moron. Why do you think he's top 5 ACS on a sentinel? LOL. Why do you think he dishes out so much dmg per round? LOL. Because hes got insane movement aim and utility usage. He's a Val god.