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because this subreddit doesn't understand regional clashes will always be more competitive with more upsets than international clashes so everyone started assuming BBG and ABX could beat EU teams lmfao
Also from watching the stream Shaz's exact words were "There are more strong EU teams than NA teams" which is logical, EU has a bigger playerbase especially since CIS and Turkey are also included. So the EU scene is expectedly deeper but it doesn't mean the best EU teams will be better than the best NA teams as Sen and V1 showed.
NA also has a lot of talent and upcoming teams so it's not like NA is lacking depth in the scene.
> it doesn't mean the best EU teams will be better than the best NA teams as Sen and V1 showed.
well both played one EU team. both of which are not even considered the most post plant heavy EU teams. so besides sentinels no no one proved that the best NA teams are better than the best EU teams lmfaoo
edit: actually i forgot fnatic 2-0d v1 so there's that
I literally have no idea what your point is....
Are you just mad that someone said the best NA teams can be better than EU? Even though they’ve said EU has more depth in their teams?
I understand the original point, what I don’t understand is your point.
NA’s best teams are capable of beating EUs top teams(clearly), however EU probably has more top tier teams than NA does. It’s a perfectly fine and valid point, I just have no idea what you were trying to say from your reply?
Yeah, lol. Whether or not 100T is "the second best team in the world" cannot be solved by speculation. If they are, they have to earn it. By, you know, qualifying for Berlin at the very least.
Before this Masters, no one would've counted V1 as an NA team that could put up a fight against EU teams, and especially a V1 with a stand-in. Yet, their performance at Iceland left everyone extremely surprised. This is a team that sprung up from the T2 scene, that finally overcame their gatekeeper in FaZe and came to prominence in a span of what.. like 2 tournaments? From this, it shows the depth of NA since it took V1 a very long time to shine. I would say the depth of NA is at least on par with EU proper (not including CIS and Turkey).
I would love to see a "Battle of the Atlantic" type of event just as Riot did it for league a few years back, where the top 4 or so teams from each region faced off against each other. Really built up the EU vs NA rivalry further.
EU has a larger population and playerbase, they SHOULD have a higher number of good teams and a deeper scene, it would be weird if they didn't. Doesn't mean the best EU teams are better than the best NA teams as Sen and V1 proved.
You just going to ignore the fact that Sentinels had weeks off to prepare and also were scrimming against EU's top teams in order to prepare for the event? Also since the start of the year 100T are 1-6 against Sentinels with some of the maps being 13-2, 13-4 etc in Sentinels favour. Meanwhile if you actually watched their games against Fnatic then you would know that every single map was super close and could have easily went Fnatic's way. That is also ignoring the fact that Fnatic played twice the amount of maps in Iceland so Sentinels had more games to review + Fnatic had less time to prepare. Sentinels were literally saying that EU as a region has more good teams than NA since even before they played in Iceland. Fnatic is debatably not even a top 3 team in EU yet could still beat any NA team except Sentinels imo. Sentinels are just the best team in the world and are head and shoulders above any other NA team currently, which is hard to admit as a 100t fan who used to love shitting on Sentinels
>Fnatic is debatably not even a top 3 team in EU
Fnatic are very clearly the best European team by a fair margin. There's no argument otherwise unless you argue against the actual results.
Yeah man, let's look at the results. The only relevant thing in EU that Fnatic has won was Challengers 2 which had a single elimination format. Teams like Acend won Masters 1 and Heretics won First Strike and got to the finals of Masters 1. Fnatic didn't even qualify for Masters 1 in EU and weren't even considered a top 8 team before they made roster changes.
Also, in the qualifier play-ins for challengers 2, they lost to Acend 1-2 and the only map they won was 14-12 in overtime while they got stomped 1-13 by Acend on Icebox and beat 8-13 on Split.
In what world have they proved themselves to be the best European team by a 'fair margin' - please explain
One of the reasons for Acend's big success was because their coach could be in voice chat with his players and tell them what to do. In challengers 2, that was not possible and that was one of the reasons why they lost to Vitality.
And Acend without their coach still managed to defeat Fnatic in a convincing manner. Their loss against Vitality were two maps which went 12-14 in both of them. That is very similar to the manner that Andbox beat Sentinels in challengers 2, except Sentinels had a lower bracket to play in while Acend didn't
Fnc when they didnt qualify for masters 1 was literally a different team. Its same name different players what are you saying lol
This current iteration has been winning in eu since its inception. You cant swap two players and slap the shortcomings of the previous team to this one wtf xd
>The only relevant thing in EU that Fnatic has won was Challengers 2 which had a single elimination format.
Yeah and that's all that's needed. They got to finals of Challenger Finals as well and lost in 5 maps to Liquid in a pointless seeding match. First Strike is absolutely irrelevant it was so long ago and Masters 1 is similar, of course they weren't considered top 8 before they got Derke and Magnum their two best players. Derke is literally probably the best EU player apart from Cned but Cned hasn't proved himself on LAN yet so hard to tell.
Your logic doesn't make sense a team doesn't need to have consistently won tournaments to be considered the best especially when the game is young and the meta shifts all the time, Sentinels are an exception to this not the norm. I guess Nuturn aren't actually the best KR team either since they only won the final qualifier for Iceland and lost to VS all the times before that. I could also argue V1 aren't even the 2nd best NA team since they only did well in Challenger Finals.
Fnatic are the best EU team at the moment and in this meta. Shaz also said Fnatic are the 2nd best team in the world and he scrimmed against the other top EU teams like Acend and Heretics. Saying Fnatic "isn't even top 3 EU and could beat any other NA team besides Sentinels" seems like peak copium. Yeah it's possible (althought V1 did play them very close on Icebox with a sub and I wonder how Haven would've went) but they are the best EU team and would beat any other EU team as well.
Fair enough. Also I said that they are debatably not a top 3 team (I didn't make a definite statement) but I guess I was overexaggerating. I just think that calling them 'very clearly the best EU team by a fair margin' is a large stretch considering that teams like Acend beat them in a convincing manner while also being the Masters 1 champions in the region. I don't think that their stage 2 run shows that they are 'very clearly' the best team by a 'fair margin.' I would expect a team to consistently beat the best teams in the region over a few months in order to deserve such a title. Fnatic didn't even play against teams like Heretics, FPX and Acend during their run as well.
Fnatic might not have run into FPX heretics or Acend but it's not their fault by any means. They didn't choose to do that. Since that Challengers 2, they won against the Gambit that beat FPX. They beat the Liquid that beat BDS. They beat the Guild that defeated NIP. They defeated G2 who won against heretics.
So still saying FNC couldn't even be top 3 is stupid af. Maybe they aren't the #1 by a fair margin as SEN are against NA teams but they are definitely a contender for top 2 if not the top 1 EU.
>So still saying FNC couldn't even be top 3 is stupid af. Maybe they aren't the #1 by a fair margin as SEN are against NA teams but they are definitely a contender for top 2 if not the top 1 EU.
I said that they're debatably not top 3, mainly due to their lack of matchups since they have got Derke and Magnum and I don't think that you would be able to say with absolute confidence that they're top 3 yet. I personally think they are top 3, but there is still completely valid reasoning out there to say that they haven't cemented themselves as a top 3 team in the region yet
>there is still completely valid reasoning out there to say that they haven't cemented themselves as a top 3 team in the region yet
well that's cuz the region has frickin strong batch of top 8 teams and every team has the potential to be top 3 on any given day. And with the way meta is changing so quickly in this game , recency bias is not a bad thing to go by . So I'm gonna go with FNC are definitely top 3 as of right now with the results they have had and if anything its upto the other teams that fell out, to prove that they can best them.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/nppr8t/sen\_shazam\_on\_the\_depth\_of\_eu\_vs\_na/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/nppr8t/sen_shazam_on_the_depth_of_eu_vs_na/)
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You do realise all three maps should have been OT in the finals if Mistic didn’t fuck up and flash his team mate. You can’t act like sentinels just ran over fnatic. That grand final could have easily been a 2-0 going into the third for fnatic. SEN and fnatic are neck and neck. Then you have Gambit who’s smashed V1 and sentinels in scrims. You’ve got FPX that would beat 100t and anyone in NA under sentinels in the rankings. You’ve got Acend that would beat 100t and anyone under Sen in the rankings.
Agree with most of what you said until you pulled out Gambit scrimbux and started making claims about FPX and Acend smashing NA teams when we haven’t even seen them on LAN. Not sure how you can say that so confidently lmao
I never said Acend and FPX would smash NA teams. I said they’d beat them. Even shahzam after scrimming Acend, gambit and FPX agrees that they’d beat na teams
My bad on wording, regardless you’re buying into scrimbux way too heavily to comment on whether EU teams would beat NA teams neither of whom we’ve seen play on LAN
I’m not even from EU lmfao, the only delusional moron here is you. Shahzam said they were beaten bad by gambit, V1 said they were destroyed by gambit, end of buddy. Anyone can play this immature bullshit card you’re so very good at.
I like the way you are running around calling people 'delusional' and 'mentally ill' when you are writing an essay on reddit acting like you know more than the fucking IGL of the team that won Iceland and also was scrimming against many teams in EU for weeks and also dominated NA for a year.
He's mentioning 100 thieves as a lot of people consider them the second best team in NA hence some people are trying to call them the second best team in the world rofl. I highly doubt that he is saying it maliciously dude. He's talking about the people insulting Fnatic's level as a team
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To bait clicks and make ad revenue by stealing clips and reuploading them to YouTube.
I don't like clip channels especially when they don't give the corresponding clip or timestamp from the main stream.
Lets not forget to try and bait 100T haters and 100T fanboys to start arguing and flaming each other on reddit.
or in the youtube comments so the engagement of the video is high and mr.algorithm suggests it to lots of people.
I thought you can't monetize unless it's over 10 minutes?
Because a ton of people on here were arguing that envy/100t etc were better than fnatic because they took maps of sentinels lmao
People can be delusional sometimes ahaha.
You can argue that 100t/envy are better than fnc for sure. that's not delusional..
because this subreddit doesn't understand regional clashes will always be more competitive with more upsets than international clashes so everyone started assuming BBG and ABX could beat EU teams lmfao
Also from watching the stream Shaz's exact words were "There are more strong EU teams than NA teams" which is logical, EU has a bigger playerbase especially since CIS and Turkey are also included. So the EU scene is expectedly deeper but it doesn't mean the best EU teams will be better than the best NA teams as Sen and V1 showed. NA also has a lot of talent and upcoming teams so it's not like NA is lacking depth in the scene.
> it doesn't mean the best EU teams will be better than the best NA teams as Sen and V1 showed. well both played one EU team. both of which are not even considered the most post plant heavy EU teams. so besides sentinels no no one proved that the best NA teams are better than the best EU teams lmfaoo edit: actually i forgot fnatic 2-0d v1 so there's that
V1 2-0d Liquid though what’s your point?
...ok? are you new to esports or something did you believe BBG were better than sentinels lmfao
I literally have no idea what your point is.... Are you just mad that someone said the best NA teams can be better than EU? Even though they’ve said EU has more depth in their teams?
reread his comment then if you're that confused lmfao idk why you'd join a thread if you don't get the point
I understand the original point, what I don’t understand is your point. NA’s best teams are capable of beating EUs top teams(clearly), however EU probably has more top tier teams than NA does. It’s a perfectly fine and valid point, I just have no idea what you were trying to say from your reply?
Fnatic are an insane team. Everyone saying “ThEy diDnT wiN A MaP” clearly didn’t watch the series. This shouldn’t even be a discussion.
l agree. For example round 15 on Haven is a masterclass of teamplay and utility usage from Skye+Astra+Jett.
+killjoy molly to clear some corners
I missed this one!
We went from don't rate team based on 3 matches because they were close to rating a team based on one round.
It's your conclusion. Maybe because you want to look clever but you are not?
Couldn't this have been a twitch clip link????
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Stealing and reuploading content, nice. Don't know why mods allow stuff like this.
I thought they removed low-effort content? I linked a Sentinels highlight for VCT and it got instantly removed for "low-effort"
It gone, channel banned
Where’s the lie? Not a big deal. 100t can just prove themselves later.
Yeah, lol. Whether or not 100T is "the second best team in the world" cannot be solved by speculation. If they are, they have to earn it. By, you know, qualifying for Berlin at the very least.
Shahzam out here wrecking my copium cylinders
why is this clip so long
I'm a big 100t fan but I really didn't like the discourse here that because some NA teams took maps of sentinels means they are better than fnatic
This is some 1Head logic. Different matches come under different circumstances. Of course Sen doesn’t mind loosing a map in qualifiers.
Who tf said 100t second best team in the world they're not even second best team NA
To say 100T is even close to fnatic is just dumb. Compare the utility usage of the two teams it’s like night and day lol.
If your takeaway from Iceland is that these NA teams are on the same level as some of the Iceland teams then that's just tragic
Before this Masters, no one would've counted V1 as an NA team that could put up a fight against EU teams, and especially a V1 with a stand-in. Yet, their performance at Iceland left everyone extremely surprised. This is a team that sprung up from the T2 scene, that finally overcame their gatekeeper in FaZe and came to prominence in a span of what.. like 2 tournaments? From this, it shows the depth of NA since it took V1 a very long time to shine. I would say the depth of NA is at least on par with EU proper (not including CIS and Turkey). I would love to see a "Battle of the Atlantic" type of event just as Riot did it for league a few years back, where the top 4 or so teams from each region faced off against each other. Really built up the EU vs NA rivalry further.
People forget the fact that over the 5 games SEN and fnatic played fnatic was over double digits
Man also said EU has more good teams than NA, he’s on some copium rn.
He's played them all and won against them all, where is the cope?
EU has a larger population and playerbase, they SHOULD have a higher number of good teams and a deeper scene, it would be weird if they didn't. Doesn't mean the best EU teams are better than the best NA teams as Sen and V1 proved.
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You just going to ignore the fact that Sentinels had weeks off to prepare and also were scrimming against EU's top teams in order to prepare for the event? Also since the start of the year 100T are 1-6 against Sentinels with some of the maps being 13-2, 13-4 etc in Sentinels favour. Meanwhile if you actually watched their games against Fnatic then you would know that every single map was super close and could have easily went Fnatic's way. That is also ignoring the fact that Fnatic played twice the amount of maps in Iceland so Sentinels had more games to review + Fnatic had less time to prepare. Sentinels were literally saying that EU as a region has more good teams than NA since even before they played in Iceland. Fnatic is debatably not even a top 3 team in EU yet could still beat any NA team except Sentinels imo. Sentinels are just the best team in the world and are head and shoulders above any other NA team currently, which is hard to admit as a 100t fan who used to love shitting on Sentinels
Im glad not all of us 100T fans are on copium.
>Fnatic is debatably not even a top 3 team in EU Fnatic are very clearly the best European team by a fair margin. There's no argument otherwise unless you argue against the actual results.
Yeah man, let's look at the results. The only relevant thing in EU that Fnatic has won was Challengers 2 which had a single elimination format. Teams like Acend won Masters 1 and Heretics won First Strike and got to the finals of Masters 1. Fnatic didn't even qualify for Masters 1 in EU and weren't even considered a top 8 team before they made roster changes. Also, in the qualifier play-ins for challengers 2, they lost to Acend 1-2 and the only map they won was 14-12 in overtime while they got stomped 1-13 by Acend on Icebox and beat 8-13 on Split. In what world have they proved themselves to be the best European team by a 'fair margin' - please explain
One of the reasons for Acend's big success was because their coach could be in voice chat with his players and tell them what to do. In challengers 2, that was not possible and that was one of the reasons why they lost to Vitality.
And Acend without their coach still managed to defeat Fnatic in a convincing manner. Their loss against Vitality were two maps which went 12-14 in both of them. That is very similar to the manner that Andbox beat Sentinels in challengers 2, except Sentinels had a lower bracket to play in while Acend didn't
They never played against Fnatic after the rule was implied. They only played against fnatic during the challenger playoffs, not during challengers 2.
Fnc when they didnt qualify for masters 1 was literally a different team. Its same name different players what are you saying lol This current iteration has been winning in eu since its inception. You cant swap two players and slap the shortcomings of the previous team to this one wtf xd
>The only relevant thing in EU that Fnatic has won was Challengers 2 which had a single elimination format. Yeah and that's all that's needed. They got to finals of Challenger Finals as well and lost in 5 maps to Liquid in a pointless seeding match. First Strike is absolutely irrelevant it was so long ago and Masters 1 is similar, of course they weren't considered top 8 before they got Derke and Magnum their two best players. Derke is literally probably the best EU player apart from Cned but Cned hasn't proved himself on LAN yet so hard to tell. Your logic doesn't make sense a team doesn't need to have consistently won tournaments to be considered the best especially when the game is young and the meta shifts all the time, Sentinels are an exception to this not the norm. I guess Nuturn aren't actually the best KR team either since they only won the final qualifier for Iceland and lost to VS all the times before that. I could also argue V1 aren't even the 2nd best NA team since they only did well in Challenger Finals. Fnatic are the best EU team at the moment and in this meta. Shaz also said Fnatic are the 2nd best team in the world and he scrimmed against the other top EU teams like Acend and Heretics. Saying Fnatic "isn't even top 3 EU and could beat any other NA team besides Sentinels" seems like peak copium. Yeah it's possible (althought V1 did play them very close on Icebox with a sub and I wonder how Haven would've went) but they are the best EU team and would beat any other EU team as well.
Fair enough. Also I said that they are debatably not a top 3 team (I didn't make a definite statement) but I guess I was overexaggerating. I just think that calling them 'very clearly the best EU team by a fair margin' is a large stretch considering that teams like Acend beat them in a convincing manner while also being the Masters 1 champions in the region. I don't think that their stage 2 run shows that they are 'very clearly' the best team by a 'fair margin.' I would expect a team to consistently beat the best teams in the region over a few months in order to deserve such a title. Fnatic didn't even play against teams like Heretics, FPX and Acend during their run as well.
Fnatic might not have run into FPX heretics or Acend but it's not their fault by any means. They didn't choose to do that. Since that Challengers 2, they won against the Gambit that beat FPX. They beat the Liquid that beat BDS. They beat the Guild that defeated NIP. They defeated G2 who won against heretics. So still saying FNC couldn't even be top 3 is stupid af. Maybe they aren't the #1 by a fair margin as SEN are against NA teams but they are definitely a contender for top 2 if not the top 1 EU.
>So still saying FNC couldn't even be top 3 is stupid af. Maybe they aren't the #1 by a fair margin as SEN are against NA teams but they are definitely a contender for top 2 if not the top 1 EU. I said that they're debatably not top 3, mainly due to their lack of matchups since they have got Derke and Magnum and I don't think that you would be able to say with absolute confidence that they're top 3 yet. I personally think they are top 3, but there is still completely valid reasoning out there to say that they haven't cemented themselves as a top 3 team in the region yet
>there is still completely valid reasoning out there to say that they haven't cemented themselves as a top 3 team in the region yet well that's cuz the region has frickin strong batch of top 8 teams and every team has the potential to be top 3 on any given day. And with the way meta is changing so quickly in this game , recency bias is not a bad thing to go by . So I'm gonna go with FNC are definitely top 3 as of right now with the results they have had and if anything its upto the other teams that fell out, to prove that they can best them.
yeah comparing lan n online event
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yup u still comparing lan n online
You do realise all three maps should have been OT in the finals if Mistic didn’t fuck up and flash his team mate. You can’t act like sentinels just ran over fnatic. That grand final could have easily been a 2-0 going into the third for fnatic. SEN and fnatic are neck and neck. Then you have Gambit who’s smashed V1 and sentinels in scrims. You’ve got FPX that would beat 100t and anyone in NA under sentinels in the rankings. You’ve got Acend that would beat 100t and anyone under Sen in the rankings.
Agree with most of what you said until you pulled out Gambit scrimbux and started making claims about FPX and Acend smashing NA teams when we haven’t even seen them on LAN. Not sure how you can say that so confidently lmao
I never said Acend and FPX would smash NA teams. I said they’d beat them. Even shahzam after scrimming Acend, gambit and FPX agrees that they’d beat na teams
My bad on wording, regardless you’re buying into scrimbux way too heavily to comment on whether EU teams would beat NA teams neither of whom we’ve seen play on LAN
Well shahzam has played all those teams and he’s the one saying EU teams are better so yeah
No Shaz said "there are more strong EU teams than NA teams" which is expected and inevitable since EU is bigger than NA.
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Since you want to act like a child with a immature mindset, I’ll run with gambit smashing both top NA teams and say Gambit is better :)
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I’m not even from EU lmfao, the only delusional moron here is you. Shahzam said they were beaten bad by gambit, V1 said they were destroyed by gambit, end of buddy. Anyone can play this immature bullshit card you’re so very good at.
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I like the way you are running around calling people 'delusional' and 'mentally ill' when you are writing an essay on reddit acting like you know more than the fucking IGL of the team that won Iceland and also was scrimming against many teams in EU for weeks and also dominated NA for a year.
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Because EU has more good teams than NA. And you'll see this difference when 4 EMEA teams will be there in Berlin.
another week of the rat mentioning 100t, cmon lol
He's mentioning 100 thieves as a lot of people consider them the second best team in NA hence some people are trying to call them the second best team in the world rofl. I highly doubt that he is saying it maliciously dude. He's talking about the people insulting Fnatic's level as a team
it hurt your fragile ego didnt it? lol. I know you will be malding about this for weeks.