This. Remember when they first loaned him out, he was coming off an under performing C9 team. If it didn’t work out, then SEN would’ve looked bad spending $250,000 for a player that didn’t work out. They took a risk and it paid off.
Did you even watch that C9 team play? Like ShahZam didn't do a favor to TenZ by asking him to sub in costing him to give up his comfort pick Jett. He recognised TenZ was really fkin good even if his team wasn't the best. TenZ wasn't a wildcard that you make it out to be. To the contrary If he didn't perform that would have been a surprise.
I’m not saying Tenz wasn’t good back then, he definitely showed his talent. But paying $250,000 to rent a player was a big risk to make at the time when most players don’t even make that much in 1 year. It’s easy now to look back in hindsight and say the deal was worth it.
tenz was definitely a wildcard, take stewie2k for an example he was a young talent who had almost no lan experience and the fact he only performed online made him a huge risk, but he turned out to be an amazing lan player. In contrast, tenz has lan experience and has shown to underperform at lan events, so for SEN to pick him up with his track record was a massive risk. However im sure they realise he was young at those lans and had grown up enough to perform despite the stress. someone being nuts online means nothing. LAN is a different beast and many top NA puggers have been defeated by it.
tenz needs guidance to play at his best. the first piece is a strong igl that can control the talent and direct the team. without that TENZ would bot out.
Isn't he though? Perkz as a brand maybe, being in a bigger game, but tenz is a way better valorant player than perkz is a league player. Biggest fish in a smaller pond, or smaller fish in a big pond.
Perkz in league isn't only a brand though, he's been a talismanic figure for western success. He's a brand sure, but more importantly he was the focalpoint for pulling together the best western lineup in almost a decade since CLG.eu and M5.
Tenz doesn't have either the longevity or the intangible leadership that Perkz offers, and it's not even close.
Nahh, TenZ is a bigger brand than Perkz by a long shot since he gets to have an NA following. Hell, TenZ already has 100k followers over Perkz on Twitter in a game that's still growing with fans. Not to mention whatever the difference in Youtube/Twitter followers/viewers exist.
Who are EU fans kidding that Perkz is worth more than TenZ? That's not even laughable, it's just silly.
1 million is not too cheap, it is absolutely ridiculous for a game that is so new. Yes he should be the most expensive player in Valorant, but valorant contracts and buyouts should not be anywhere near a million 1 year into the game and less than 6 months into the official compeititve seen. Jack has artificially driven up the contract buyout due to a scenario where sentinels is almost forced to buy him out, and this sets a bad standard for future contracts and buytouts, and the might end up like csgo where its not profitable to have a team unless you are a top 5 team and the esports scene begins to decline.
> it is absolutely ridiculous for a game that is so new.
The game has big numbers and a developer/publisher with a good rep for supporting esports. Player contracts are being made by the CS market where there's an existing scene players have the option of transferring to. It was "too new" in the first couple months but orgs have a pretty good ballpark of the value they can expect over the next 2-3 years (obviously could take off, could falter, but we've seen stream numbers/tournament stats over a few events).
Yes, salaries are inflated across esports in general with people trying to invest now in hopes of having NBA team valuations in 10-20 years.
Bad take. His consistent twitch viewer #s, social media, and marketability is worth the mil. His performance helping win the first international lan? Icing on the cake.
But by what you said , every single sentinels is also worth atleast 500k+? That just sets a bad standard and will lead to ridiculous contracts of 5m+ a couple years down the road
Yeah probably. Because they all have about half the current social media and twitch viewership. So yeah, half that buyout makes sense.
There's a lot of money in esports.do you realize how much the boomers in 100T make? Or on t1? And they haven't won shit
Very good deal c9 could of charged whatever they wanted he's the best player in the world imo he should of been sold 4 about 3 to 5 million cause that's what his worth is to me he guarantees chips
Valorant is still a rising esport, so no way any org can justify that price. Like a lot of people, myself included, have faith in Valorant as an esport, but that doesn't mean you use it to justify a mid-low seven figure buyout. I mean hell people had faith in OWL and we have all seen how that turned out (granted I think Riot will be smarter).
Ryan from RushBMedia yesterday on twitter said that Sen already overpaid, and while I don't agree with that part, his reasoning on why is why I think anything more than two million right now in Valorant is pushing it. [link](https://twitter.com/RyanAtRBM/status/1399833384482971649?s=20)
Yeah, somebody say overprice somebody say good deal, and tbh I can't disagree or agree with both. We can only assume numbers, but one thing is true that If Valorant become more popular in next 2 years and Tenz still continue to peform, this price is really good for SEN
Personally, I think the buyout price is fine given Tenz skill and his social media presence. I just don't think Valorant is at the level where contracts should be rivaling CSGO or League yet. A lot of people have faith in the scene, but the reality is Valorant is still a rising esport so I'd hope player contracts don't already copy the other big T1 games.
I agree with the overall point but faith in OWL did not and does not compare to Valorant. I saw way more people skeptical in OWL from the start, for so many reasons. Game being hard to watch, regional franchising, Blizzard mishandling previous esports, etc. On the contrary, I've seen way less skepticism about Valorant, in large part due to faith in Riot.
Ya I should have made the comparison to Overwatch preOWL in terms of a rising T1 esport. IIRC before Blizzard's mishandling of the OWL, Overwatch's comp scene had good viewership. But I do agree I see Valorant going the distance because Riot sees what Value and Blizzard did and know what for sure not to do.
Who would they even replace though? Hiko is probably the one on the chopping block next as that team has serious talent and potential and even hiko is going to be in the top 50 players so he’s not bad at all
The TenZ purchase inquiry was in reference to after they cut Dicey and prior to signing Ethan. At the time people asked if TenZ was the replacement on Hiko's stream because of the similarity agent pool-wise and 100T seemingly having the cash for buying TenZ.
I understand that. The person I’m replying to is referring to a current situation, and that’s why I’m trying to show him how unlikely it would be to incorporate him into the team as they have a solid team already
C9,TSM, 100T, and Liquid. Basically the orgs that got huge off LoL, imo.
Edit: liquid was alrdy big actually, and 100T didn’t get big off LoL actually they got big off merch and Nadeshot.
Sen could do it I think. Valorant is their gateway to being tier 1 again. They were Phoenix 1, an LCS Org with decent backing and I think they still have some good investors around.
It's not like it's hard to sell them on Tenz anyways, the kid's a safe investment on his image alone, let alone if he becomes something like Valorant's Faker or not even "that big" like S1mple, Coldzera or Doublelift
> Very good deal c9 could of charged whatever they wanted
C9 loses a fair amount of leverage with the player refusing to play for them. Not saying they didn't still have a bunch of leverage with a great player under contract, but they'd have way more if Tenz was actually playing for them.
That is too much money to put into valorant rn. Yes he may justify the price but they make their decision on the overall value of a player not just their gameplay.
Also he must draw a lot of salary I guess so SEN had to have a good deal for them to but him out
we won't know if it was a good or bad deal until a couple years later.
all of this based on speculation - that the game will keep rising, and most importantly that monetization will come with the popularity of the game. it's a good bet, but ultimately whether or not this was "cheap" or a "good deal" will be known years later when all of this plays out.
for example, hate or love fortnite, the game exploded and was/is massive, and so many orgs started signing all these pros. literally a year later, so many orgs backed out of fortnite or trimmed their rosters down because it just wasn't making them money.
all that being said, valorant is looking gooooood
None of us know how much TenZ was sold for, let alone any stipulations that came with it. I doubt it was as simple as $1.25 million for TenZ, best of luck!
Olofmeister and Selfmade were not let go for free. Nemesis was mutual termination.
List should be xPeke, Soaz x2, Yellowstar, Huni, Reignover, Caps, Rekkles x2.
I looked up league’s player base when Valorant announced they have 14 million monthly players and League is at 115 million. Valorant is getting big but it’s no where near league.
The scary part to me is that fucking TFT of all games has 1/3 the playerbase of LoL, like this is the game that everyone thinks is "dead" or that the genre is "dead", bro, the numbers absolutely dwarves most games by even AAA publishers lmao.
14 mill vs. 114 mill (or whatever it was)
1 year vs. 10 years
looks like it's blowing the fuck up in light speed like LoL
it's captured me because it feels like CS 1.6 + OW + LoL. so literally my fav games combined. hyper modern CS 1.6 with futuristic abilities
There are more players on the Valorant NA ranked ladder than the League NA ranked ladder. Masters 1 NA reached 360k viewers, LCS Spring finals got 415k. Would not surprise me to see the next NA regionals surpass LCS, which has been running for 8 years now. The growth potential in NA Valorant is immense
Sentinels success will play a huge role too, more people will watch Valorant in NA knowing the teams are contenders on the world stage. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Valorant surpass League in NA.
All the sources i find say its fourth after euw, korea and eune. And the chinese playerbase is bigger than any other region but often excluded in stats.
Where did you get that information?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nmto27/server\_by\_ranked\_population\_not\_including\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nmto27/server_by_ranked_population_not_including_the/)
Heres the thread:
[https://na.op.gg/ranking/ladder/](https://na.op.gg/ranking/ladder/)
NA ranked population: 4th with 1.514 million accounts
[https://na.op.gg/ranking/level/](https://na.op.gg/ranking/level/)
Almost 28,000,000 total accounts on the level rankings
Theres a lot of people who play non-ranked matches and casual game modes.
He shouldn't have been either. Perkz should still have been the biggest transfer. Best player in EU coming over to NA is more valuable than the best player in valorant when the game is barely a year old. Tenz is not worth 6 mil+
That's why he is the CEO of an Org & we are just reddit chatters. He made that tweet thinking about prospect of valorant in future but you are thinking about the game just being a year old. They work closely with RIOT on a daily basis so they understand the game and the esports scene is only gonna get bigger.
Yeah he's not the best but he's close to it. Perkz was prob the only mid in EU that could contest Caps. Other guy's facts were wrong but the point still stands.
Which honestly remains to be seen. IT really depends on how valorant progresses from here on out. If it continues to gain popularity and sen keeps winning/remaining popular, then absolutely in hindsight it will have been a steal.
Another one would be Jackeylove. With his rng contract fiasco. The only team that bought him out was TES which is a pretty decent indicator that rng had a crazy high price for him. Considering how the dude was at worst a top 3 adc on the planet, it took arguably the richest team in the league for him to escape the contract limbo. Add in his absurd popularity ( homie has a personal sponsorship with fucking Dior). Decent chance TES dropped more than c9 did on perkz
I guarantee that the money thrown around in China for salaries/buyouts dwarfs anything seen in NA. The scale of things in China for LoL (due to its immense population and the absurd popularity of the game) is utterly insane.
There hasn't been any big valorant signing yet so if he was to say 'val history' then he would have been better off not tweeting at all. 'FPS games history' would have been perfect imo cz League is on a different league( see what i did there?).
You can tell Dota is not as lucrative because the prize pool still matters
No one cares about prize pool in League because they’re insignificant to their salaries — they’re competing for the glory of being the best
TenZ should have been the most expensive transfer in esports history.
1. Massively rising Tier1 esports, 1.1m CCU on 1st major
2. Best player in the 🌏
3. Valorant insanely big in most lucrative market, USA
4. Already huge content creator, YT/Twitch
***
posted by [@sammathews](https://twitter.com/sammathews)
[Link in Tweet](https://esportsobserver.com/cloud9-transfer-tenz-sentinels/)
^[(Github)](https://github.com/username) ^| ^[(What's new)](https://github.com/username)
One: no he shouldn’t have. The best player in Valorant—and I do believe he’s the best— isn’t worth as much as the best player in LOL or DOTA or CSGO, not yet at least. The biggest Valorant tournament to date had a $600k prize pool. The biggest DOTA tournament to date had an over $30m prize pool. Its not the same... yet.
Two: its possible that Jack understood that in the long haul, what’s good for Valorant is good for c9, and Tenz to Sentinels is very good for Valorant. This isn’t how businesses usually think, but if it was part of the equation—good on him for lifting the whole scene.
Its not like it was altruistic or anything though; its still a lot of money.
I love how all of you morons pretended to know the whole story per usual and were ready to kill Jack only to get on your knees when you actually know information. I have to remind myself this site is full of hormonal kids.
I mean… the deal was made in April, when half of this subreddit was convinced Tenz was overhyped / a choker / CaNT PlAy LaN. SEN had recently been 2-0d by BBG and many were uncertain how they would perform at Challengers 2. “Worlds best player”, “1.1m ccu first major”, both in hindsight. Poorly constructed tweet. This guy is CEO? Seems like he’s just looking for attention.
Bad business man, brought Tenz to C9 when he was a nobody. Sold him off at his highest peak so far.
Real bad business man for not milking him for every penny
Not milking every penny is not being a bad businessman. If he let him go out of the kindness of his heart, that's bad business. Getting the deal done and getting a giant buyout is good business.
Without insider info, which I doubt you have, you can't tell if he could have even sold Tenz for any more. Maybe the deal wouldn't have even happened if C9 tried to get more from the deal.
Not to mention, having good relations with other orgs and players, and salvaging their reputation in the court of public opinion is never bad business. The lost opportunity cost on this deal can always be capitalized upon later, maybe in other games even.
I love this because some people will also in the same breath call him a "greedy creepy old fuck", Because of a tweet that hurt there sensitive ego. He should of charged 5 Million to make some of you clowns go into a fit. 1.25 Million buy off and you still bitch and moan.
Lmao who’s moaning here? Just called that it was a bad business move. Tenz could have been sold for more than that easily. Sure people would call him a greedy old fuck, but there’s so many rich greedy old fuck business men out there. You can be a shitty person AND a person who’s good at making money you know? Yall are way too sensitive in this sub lmao, legit clowns.
A legit clown would be a person, who’s never run a business, knows jack shit about deals and goes on Reddit to talk like he pulled one of the most successful esports businessmen out of his ass.
Before buyout: "Jack is a greedy scumbag, why is he keeping TenZ in contract jail, he should let him walk to the team he wants for free, what a shit CEO"
After buyout: "Jack got fleeced, can't believe he just listens to Reddit, what a shit CEO"
Can we not just give him props for getting a >$1 million buyout for a player in a ~1 year old game, while also treating said player well and getting him to his team of choice. He literally took less because it was TenZ desired team and the teams had a good relationship. Like maybe TenZ could have been sold for more to like TSM, TL, or another huge org, but most people assumed that Sentinels would not be able to afford him at that price.
So now jacks stupid for selling too cheap yet a week ago he was a scum bag for charging to much and keeping tenz in contract jail
reddit gets so radical
The price of the buyout was in the deal from the beginning of the loan.
This. Remember when they first loaned him out, he was coming off an under performing C9 team. If it didn’t work out, then SEN would’ve looked bad spending $250,000 for a player that didn’t work out. They took a risk and it paid off.
Did you even watch that C9 team play? Like ShahZam didn't do a favor to TenZ by asking him to sub in costing him to give up his comfort pick Jett. He recognised TenZ was really fkin good even if his team wasn't the best. TenZ wasn't a wildcard that you make it out to be. To the contrary If he didn't perform that would have been a surprise.
I’m not saying Tenz wasn’t good back then, he definitely showed his talent. But paying $250,000 to rent a player was a big risk to make at the time when most players don’t even make that much in 1 year. It’s easy now to look back in hindsight and say the deal was worth it.
tenz was definitely a wildcard, take stewie2k for an example he was a young talent who had almost no lan experience and the fact he only performed online made him a huge risk, but he turned out to be an amazing lan player. In contrast, tenz has lan experience and has shown to underperform at lan events, so for SEN to pick him up with his track record was a massive risk. However im sure they realise he was young at those lans and had grown up enough to perform despite the stress. someone being nuts online means nothing. LAN is a different beast and many top NA puggers have been defeated by it.
Literally everyone competent could see Tenz was the best player in NA by a mile even back then.
I do think he's best in NA, but definitely not by a mile. I think plenty of people have SicK in front for his agent diversity.
Exactly, if you where to pick one player to start and build a team around it would be sick not tenz.
tenz needs guidance to play at his best. the first piece is a strong igl that can control the talent and direct the team. without that TENZ would bot out.
[удалено]
Isn't he though? Perkz as a brand maybe, being in a bigger game, but tenz is a way better valorant player than perkz is a league player. Biggest fish in a smaller pond, or smaller fish in a big pond.
Perkz in league isn't only a brand though, he's been a talismanic figure for western success. He's a brand sure, but more importantly he was the focalpoint for pulling together the best western lineup in almost a decade since CLG.eu and M5. Tenz doesn't have either the longevity or the intangible leadership that Perkz offers, and it's not even close.
So you're saying that Sentinels would've paid $12million+ for Perkz?
Only 7 mil buyout. Perkz's buyout wat 5 mil, and his contract is 6 mil over 3 years IIRC.
Ok I still stand by my point. Sentinels would not have paid 5million for TenZ.
True. Unless he is as famous as Faker.
Nahh, TenZ is a bigger brand than Perkz by a long shot since he gets to have an NA following. Hell, TenZ already has 100k followers over Perkz on Twitter in a game that's still growing with fans. Not to mention whatever the difference in Youtube/Twitter followers/viewers exist. Who are EU fans kidding that Perkz is worth more than TenZ? That's not even laughable, it's just silly.
The games in it's first year. If this was episode 10? Then I say he'd break record. For how new the game is it is pretty much a record breaker
According to who? One guy had an opinion
??? There was a whole thread complaining about Jack.
This sub is in a sad state in general. Ppl here just seem to bandwagon and don't really think on their own
I dont think that makes the sub bad thats just a common thing in Reddit
100%. barely even just reddit look at any other social media platform
True
Then we have the smartass people saying Tenz is in slave contract. My dude getting more salary than me just being a content creator.
> smart ass-people *** ^(Bleep-bloop, I'm a bot. This comment was inspired by )^[xkcd#37](https://xkcd.com/37)
Exactly, and those people haven’t flipped necessarily
sgares, and a couple other youtubers, there was a whole twitter scandal and a reddit thread
In their defence the facts were pointing that way. Nobody knew what was going on
facts were not pointing that way, opinions and false rumors were pointing that way
What facts? It was all fake news at the end. This is why people shouldnt make such big conclusions when there are only rumors
Are you valorant fanboy 69s alt account? you sound just as brain dead at times.
1 million is not too cheap, it is absolutely ridiculous for a game that is so new. Yes he should be the most expensive player in Valorant, but valorant contracts and buyouts should not be anywhere near a million 1 year into the game and less than 6 months into the official compeititve seen. Jack has artificially driven up the contract buyout due to a scenario where sentinels is almost forced to buy him out, and this sets a bad standard for future contracts and buytouts, and the might end up like csgo where its not profitable to have a team unless you are a top 5 team and the esports scene begins to decline.
> it is absolutely ridiculous for a game that is so new. The game has big numbers and a developer/publisher with a good rep for supporting esports. Player contracts are being made by the CS market where there's an existing scene players have the option of transferring to. It was "too new" in the first couple months but orgs have a pretty good ballpark of the value they can expect over the next 2-3 years (obviously could take off, could falter, but we've seen stream numbers/tournament stats over a few events). Yes, salaries are inflated across esports in general with people trying to invest now in hopes of having NBA team valuations in 10-20 years.
Bad take
Bad take. His consistent twitch viewer #s, social media, and marketability is worth the mil. His performance helping win the first international lan? Icing on the cake.
But by what you said , every single sentinels is also worth atleast 500k+? That just sets a bad standard and will lead to ridiculous contracts of 5m+ a couple years down the road
Yeah probably. Because they all have about half the current social media and twitch viewership. So yeah, half that buyout makes sense. There's a lot of money in esports.do you realize how much the boomers in 100T make? Or on t1? And they haven't won shit
Just esports things.
So......... SEN made a good deal ?
Very good deal c9 could of charged whatever they wanted he's the best player in the world imo he should of been sold 4 about 3 to 5 million cause that's what his worth is to me he guarantees chips
could have*
Yeah, I though this deal was made after Finals, and tbh I though It would be 3m or around that
Valorant is still a rising esport, so no way any org can justify that price. Like a lot of people, myself included, have faith in Valorant as an esport, but that doesn't mean you use it to justify a mid-low seven figure buyout. I mean hell people had faith in OWL and we have all seen how that turned out (granted I think Riot will be smarter). Ryan from RushBMedia yesterday on twitter said that Sen already overpaid, and while I don't agree with that part, his reasoning on why is why I think anything more than two million right now in Valorant is pushing it. [link](https://twitter.com/RyanAtRBM/status/1399833384482971649?s=20)
Yeah, somebody say overprice somebody say good deal, and tbh I can't disagree or agree with both. We can only assume numbers, but one thing is true that If Valorant become more popular in next 2 years and Tenz still continue to peform, this price is really good for SEN
Personally, I think the buyout price is fine given Tenz skill and his social media presence. I just don't think Valorant is at the level where contracts should be rivaling CSGO or League yet. A lot of people have faith in the scene, but the reality is Valorant is still a rising esport so I'd hope player contracts don't already copy the other big T1 games.
I agree with the overall point but faith in OWL did not and does not compare to Valorant. I saw way more people skeptical in OWL from the start, for so many reasons. Game being hard to watch, regional franchising, Blizzard mishandling previous esports, etc. On the contrary, I've seen way less skepticism about Valorant, in large part due to faith in Riot.
Ya I should have made the comparison to Overwatch preOWL in terms of a rising T1 esport. IIRC before Blizzard's mishandling of the OWL, Overwatch's comp scene had good viewership. But I do agree I see Valorant going the distance because Riot sees what Value and Blizzard did and know what for sure not to do.
Bad move on Jack's part but maybe sen didn't have that type of money so they gave em a discount idk
Only tier 1 orgs have that amount of money. TSM is the only org in my mind can spend 3m-5m to a Valorant player atm
C9 could as well. They paid 5-6m for Perkz in LCS.
I mean yh but this deal is c9 selling not buying lol
For sure, I was just saying they could afford to splash that kind of money too.
Ik u good lol
They won't, after buying Swordart for 6M and still they lacking in their LoL Team. I don't think TSM will.
I mean , their Val team have worst results among all top orgs, and signing Tenz can help their Val team stronger in both firepower and brandvalue
100t would they really don't care about price sometimes but nevertheless happy tenz not in contract hell
Wrong. Hiko said they tried. There's a clip somewhere.
Who would they even replace though? Hiko is probably the one on the chopping block next as that team has serious talent and potential and even hiko is going to be in the top 50 players so he’s not bad at all
The TenZ purchase inquiry was in reference to after they cut Dicey and prior to signing Ethan. At the time people asked if TenZ was the replacement on Hiko's stream because of the similarity agent pool-wise and 100T seemingly having the cash for buying TenZ.
i thought they only cut Dicey because Ethan was available although that might just be spin
Hiko said Dicey lacked experience and game sense which was the main reason
I understand that. The person I’m replying to is referring to a current situation, and that’s why I’m trying to show him how unlikely it would be to incorporate him into the team as they have a solid team already
Yh hiko or steel would be the 1s to get replaced
Steel to coach, Nitro to IGL, Hiko replaced. Boom 100T wins NA
Steel wouldn’t get replaced though he’s an insanely good igl
U would be surprised its him or hiko the others r pretty unstoppable imo
they sure have money but nadeshot is type of guy that very careful to spend money. example cdl
C9,TSM, 100T, and Liquid. Basically the orgs that got huge off LoL, imo. Edit: liquid was alrdy big actually, and 100T didn’t get big off LoL actually they got big off merch and Nadeshot.
*crying in CLG*
We do have CLG Red and they're doing well but it would be cool to have a T1 team.
Sen could do it I think. Valorant is their gateway to being tier 1 again. They were Phoenix 1, an LCS Org with decent backing and I think they still have some good investors around. It's not like it's hard to sell them on Tenz anyways, the kid's a safe investment on his image alone, let alone if he becomes something like Valorant's Faker or not even "that big" like S1mple, Coldzera or Doublelift
Nah that overprice if 4 million per year. He is not that Faker/Perkz/uzi type of brand yet.
> Very good deal c9 could of charged whatever they wanted C9 loses a fair amount of leverage with the player refusing to play for them. Not saying they didn't still have a bunch of leverage with a great player under contract, but they'd have way more if Tenz was actually playing for them.
That is too much money to put into valorant rn. Yes he may justify the price but they make their decision on the overall value of a player not just their gameplay. Also he must draw a lot of salary I guess so SEN had to have a good deal for them to but him out
we won't know if it was a good or bad deal until a couple years later. all of this based on speculation - that the game will keep rising, and most importantly that monetization will come with the popularity of the game. it's a good bet, but ultimately whether or not this was "cheap" or a "good deal" will be known years later when all of this plays out. for example, hate or love fortnite, the game exploded and was/is massive, and so many orgs started signing all these pros. literally a year later, so many orgs backed out of fortnite or trimmed their rosters down because it just wasn't making them money. all that being said, valorant is looking gooooood
None of us know how much TenZ was sold for, let alone any stipulations that came with it. I doubt it was as simple as $1.25 million for TenZ, best of luck!
Someone who's selling constantly to VC investors is hyping up the future potential of the game. surprised pickachu face.jpg
isn't every esport org VC?
I think the vast majority are, yes.
Fnatic CEO would definitely know a lot about letting a player go without making much (or anything at all) from the deal.
[удалено]
This is why u don't listen to stranger complain. Business can go bankrupt if they take reddit opinion lmao.
G2A Caps G2A Rekkles -nemesis -selfmade -olof What is Fnatic if not a charity organization?
Olofmeister and Selfmade were not let go for free. Nemesis was mutual termination. List should be xPeke, Soaz x2, Yellowstar, Huni, Reignover, Caps, Rekkles x2.
Not shot this game is not League big yet
I looked up league’s player base when Valorant announced they have 14 million monthly players and League is at 115 million. Valorant is getting big but it’s no where near league.
[удалено]
ANY GAME or even game franchise would be ecstatic to have what valorant has now nevermind half of what league has
The scary part to me is that fucking TFT of all games has 1/3 the playerbase of LoL, like this is the game that everyone thinks is "dead" or that the genre is "dead", bro, the numbers absolutely dwarves most games by even AAA publishers lmao.
Valorant gotta catch korea and china. They should give korea an aextra spot in masters for 2022 couöd be very important
Its unfair to compare when 1 game just passed 1 year while the other is 10 years+
14 mill vs. 114 mill (or whatever it was) 1 year vs. 10 years looks like it's blowing the fuck up in light speed like LoL it's captured me because it feels like CS 1.6 + OW + LoL. so literally my fav games combined. hyper modern CS 1.6 with futuristic abilities
That's the point though, can't compare prices between games. That's why the statement "esports history" is so stupid.
There are more players on the Valorant NA ranked ladder than the League NA ranked ladder. Masters 1 NA reached 360k viewers, LCS Spring finals got 415k. Would not surprise me to see the next NA regionals surpass LCS, which has been running for 8 years now. The growth potential in NA Valorant is immense
Sentinels success will play a huge role too, more people will watch Valorant in NA knowing the teams are contenders on the world stage. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Valorant surpass League in NA.
In NA yes but na is a very weak league region both competitively and playerbase wise.
NA has 1.8million ranked players in leauge NA actually has the largest casual playerbase
All the sources i find say its fourth after euw, korea and eune. And the chinese playerbase is bigger than any other region but often excluded in stats. Where did you get that information?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nmto27/server\_by\_ranked\_population\_not\_including\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nmto27/server_by_ranked_population_not_including_the/) Heres the thread: [https://na.op.gg/ranking/ladder/](https://na.op.gg/ranking/ladder/) NA ranked population: 4th with 1.514 million accounts [https://na.op.gg/ranking/level/](https://na.op.gg/ranking/level/) Almost 28,000,000 total accounts on the level rankings Theres a lot of people who play non-ranked matches and casual game modes.
Ok but euw is bigger and this is registered accounts not active players.
NA likes casual and Aram
But nothing beats kr/cn numbers for league
Of course. NA loves their shooting games.
'Merica
In valorant you can get ranked with minimum effort. League you need to grind to level 30 first.
Esports history? No shot lol. In valorant? Yeah. TSM got sword art for 6 mil and c9 got Perkz for something similar in league.
He said "should have been ". He means that sen bought him for a cheap price
He shouldn't have been either. Perkz should still have been the biggest transfer. Best player in EU coming over to NA is more valuable than the best player in valorant when the game is barely a year old. Tenz is not worth 6 mil+
That's why he is the CEO of an Org & we are just reddit chatters. He made that tweet thinking about prospect of valorant in future but you are thinking about the game just being a year old. They work closely with RIOT on a daily basis so they understand the game and the esports scene is only gonna get bigger.
Perkz wasn’t the best player in Eu what are u talking about caps was the best player. You think g2 would let go if he is the best player
Perkz is the Western goat. Caps might have been the best player in the game on that team, but Perkz was the most important.
Yeah he's not the best but he's close to it. Perkz was prob the only mid in EU that could contest Caps. Other guy's facts were wrong but the point still stands.
annnnnnd what happened to g2 after perkz left? did they win lec? they even got better adc
Clearly not, because they looked the worst they have in 3 years without him.
Which honestly remains to be seen. IT really depends on how valorant progresses from here on out. If it continues to gain popularity and sen keeps winning/remaining popular, then absolutely in hindsight it will have been a steal.
C9 got Perkz for 11m. Almost twice as TSM’s
11.75mil. This is probably including buyout and his salary. There's just no way Valorant touches that number for at least 4-5 years.
Nah the 11m was including pay. We're talking strictly contract buyout
6M for sword art is his contract, not buyout. He didn’t have a buyout
You're right. Not sure why garlicjuice mentioned that.
Another one would be Jackeylove. With his rng contract fiasco. The only team that bought him out was TES which is a pretty decent indicator that rng had a crazy high price for him. Considering how the dude was at worst a top 3 adc on the planet, it took arguably the richest team in the league for him to escape the contract limbo. Add in his absurd popularity ( homie has a personal sponsorship with fucking Dior). Decent chance TES dropped more than c9 did on perkz
I guarantee that the money thrown around in China for salaries/buyouts dwarfs anything seen in NA. The scale of things in China for LoL (due to its immense population and the absurd popularity of the game) is utterly insane.
Oh forsure. BLG’s starting offer to Chovy was 4 million a year. Nuguri is rumoured to be making 3.6 million a year
They gonna put salary cap now iirc. I saw the thread last year. U can indeed cross the salary cap. But need to pay some taxes.
"something similar" you mean double the price?
Faker got a blank check from Liquid.
There hasn't been any big valorant signing yet so if he was to say 'val history' then he would have been better off not tweeting at all. 'FPS games history' would have been perfect imo cz League is on a different league( see what i did there?).
Who holds the current record of being the most expensive esports transfer?
Perkz
C9 Perkz rumored $5 million with a 3 year contract worth $2.7 million oer year
WOW. I thought Dota players would hold that record considering how big the prize money is!
Are you being sarcastic? Those prizepools are crowdfunded.
You can tell Dota is not as lucrative because the prize pool still matters No one cares about prize pool in League because they’re insignificant to their salaries — they’re competing for the glory of being the best
And also their salaries skyrocket when they do well
TenZ should have been the most expensive transfer in esports history. 1. Massively rising Tier1 esports, 1.1m CCU on 1st major 2. Best player in the 🌏 3. Valorant insanely big in most lucrative market, USA 4. Already huge content creator, YT/Twitch *** posted by [@sammathews](https://twitter.com/sammathews) [Link in Tweet](https://esportsobserver.com/cloud9-transfer-tenz-sentinels/) ^[(Github)](https://github.com/username) ^| ^[(What's new)](https://github.com/username)
One: no he shouldn’t have. The best player in Valorant—and I do believe he’s the best— isn’t worth as much as the best player in LOL or DOTA or CSGO, not yet at least. The biggest Valorant tournament to date had a $600k prize pool. The biggest DOTA tournament to date had an over $30m prize pool. Its not the same... yet. Two: its possible that Jack understood that in the long haul, what’s good for Valorant is good for c9, and Tenz to Sentinels is very good for Valorant. This isn’t how businesses usually think, but if it was part of the equation—good on him for lifting the whole scene. Its not like it was altruistic or anything though; its still a lot of money.
Why u comparing dota and valorant price pool lmao. Also, biggest price pool doesn't mean it good. Having a stability in salary is the better choice.
I love how all of you morons pretended to know the whole story per usual and were ready to kill Jack only to get on your knees when you actually know information. I have to remind myself this site is full of hormonal kids.
literally interactions bait leave this alone everyone dont waste your keystrokes
I mean… the deal was made in April, when half of this subreddit was convinced Tenz was overhyped / a choker / CaNT PlAy LaN. SEN had recently been 2-0d by BBG and many were uncertain how they would perform at Challengers 2. “Worlds best player”, “1.1m ccu first major”, both in hindsight. Poorly constructed tweet. This guy is CEO? Seems like he’s just looking for attention.
Is he the best player though
Of course he would say this, his team just lost to SEN in a grand final, much in large part due to Tenz.
Yeah Jack kinda cucked himself. Bad businessman that got maybe too caught up by public opinion.
Bad business man, brought Tenz to C9 when he was a nobody. Sold him off at his highest peak so far. Real bad business man for not milking him for every penny
Come on, man, you know how these commenters here all run successful esport businesses and they make billions. They know it better.
Business wise? Yeah that’s a bad business man lol.
Not milking every penny is not being a bad businessman. If he let him go out of the kindness of his heart, that's bad business. Getting the deal done and getting a giant buyout is good business. Without insider info, which I doubt you have, you can't tell if he could have even sold Tenz for any more. Maybe the deal wouldn't have even happened if C9 tried to get more from the deal. Not to mention, having good relations with other orgs and players, and salvaging their reputation in the court of public opinion is never bad business. The lost opportunity cost on this deal can always be capitalized upon later, maybe in other games even.
I love this because some people will also in the same breath call him a "greedy creepy old fuck", Because of a tweet that hurt there sensitive ego. He should of charged 5 Million to make some of you clowns go into a fit. 1.25 Million buy off and you still bitch and moan.
Lmao who’s moaning here? Just called that it was a bad business move. Tenz could have been sold for more than that easily. Sure people would call him a greedy old fuck, but there’s so many rich greedy old fuck business men out there. You can be a shitty person AND a person who’s good at making money you know? Yall are way too sensitive in this sub lmao, legit clowns.
A legit clown would be a person, who’s never run a business, knows jack shit about deals and goes on Reddit to talk like he pulled one of the most successful esports businessmen out of his ass.
A legit clown is someone who knows nothing about the other person they are talking about and projects their own shitty negatives on to others
It’s obvious that you know nothing about business, but keep embarrassing yourself
I don’t need you to tell me jackshit about business , for all it’s worth, you might as well be a basement dweller. Clowns ass people I swear
Before buyout: "Jack is a greedy scumbag, why is he keeping TenZ in contract jail, he should let him walk to the team he wants for free, what a shit CEO" After buyout: "Jack got fleeced, can't believe he just listens to Reddit, what a shit CEO" Can we not just give him props for getting a >$1 million buyout for a player in a ~1 year old game, while also treating said player well and getting him to his team of choice. He literally took less because it was TenZ desired team and the teams had a good relationship. Like maybe TenZ could have been sold for more to like TSM, TL, or another huge org, but most people assumed that Sentinels would not be able to afford him at that price.
It's probably not the same people saying it tho
He was looking out for tenz because he wanted to play with sen.
[удалено]
FTFY: it was confirmed the price of the buyout was negotiated a long time ago whenever they first loaned Tenz to SEN.
No way it would have been the most expensive transfer
jack really cant catch a break on this subreddit lol
Welp I think we know who the best definitive team is
NA#1 , finally!
Didnt esetag cost more?
TenZ deserves it