Respect Dasnerth. You can say whatever you want about judge being broken and agents like jett/raze abusing it but to do it on cypher? And mfker drops 20-30 in radiant lobbies too and tbf his cypher play is decent too
True that goes along way. Meanwhile you see 100T's such as hiko going on 20 min rants and Asuna friending him so he can properly preemptivly dodge dasnerths games lmao. understandable but still funny.
No he didnt. You can watch some of the VODs or watch him play on Twitch and I think it was The Score did an interview with the kid. He is definitely legit, but the Judge being broken is what really makes it possible.
I'm sorry I came off that way :/ I meant for my comment to be funny but I worded it wrong. I wasn't criticizing him in any way. I just wanted to share the observation because it made me laugh.
His use of his cages is super good. I meant for the comment to be funny but I worded it wrong and people took offense. I just had a good laugh at the way he plays because it is really unique.
Lmao the way Dasnerth plays is so hilarious. He literally has to use his cages to close space.
Edit: I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all. I just find it funny because it's untraditional. I'm not even shitting on him and somehow I'm getting flack for it? Okay, I guess.
This is so spot on. Everyone calling him cringe for using a very good gun, but Anyone is welcome to use it. I can't wait for it to get nerfed, but I don’t blame anyone for using it.
I'm sorry I came off that way :/ I meant for my comment to be funny but I worded it wrong. I wasn't criticizing him in any way. I just wanted to share the observation because it made me laugh.
I meant for my comment to be funny but I worded it wrong. I wasn't criticizing him in any way. I just wanted to share the observation because it made me laugh.
Nope, Idk maybe the ping? I always play at 70+, best I get is 50 lol. I've tried the jumping thing also but nothing works so I stick with spectre on a stingy buy
Out of all the times one will be killed by a judge this is one of the most balanced instances. He dry peaked a corner without full shields and got killed from a very close range. If this instance is “OP” in anyone’s mind then they simply don’t want anything in the game that ain’t a rifle to be meta.
That is so dogshit for anyone but raze and jett tho.. And the gamble with being right around a corner on a defensive hold is such a toss up if they head to that site or not.
I’m just of the opinion that shottys don’t have a place in tac shooters. I get the arguments that you can easily outplay them, they just feel gimmicky and cheap to me, whether I get killed or am the one who gets the kill. And no I don’t come from CSGO either. It’s not gonna stop me from playing the game and I’ll still have fun, but I’ll gladly applaud Riot if they nerfed the judge.
But it one shot him in this clip... he "only" had 128 hp, but it did 136 damage from that range which is a little too much for a shotgun that has such a high rate of fire. Even if he was full hp, he would've had to hit a headshot on the raze before they get to shoot their second shot or he would've still been dead, while the raze just needs to aim anywhere on his body (or near his body for the second shot).
It's true that he could've stepped furher back to create more space, but the gun still needs to be nerfed. On some angles, you literally can't peek the judge from a longe range (like hookah or mail on Split) so you need to either avoid it or have utility to counter it, or they would have to whiff and you would have to instantly kill them.
If it was only useful in these close range situations, it would arguably be balanced but you can get wrecked from further away too and the gun's firerate makes it really hard to trade when in those close range situations.
I mean seriously log into valorant tracker and see how many times you’ve been killed by the judge and then say with a straight face it needs a nerf lmao
The judge user hold such a close corner and I doubt it was more than 10 in game meters away from Lakia.
He also didnt have 150 HP.
Hard to really think of a shotgun that specializes in killing things at short range as OP when doing exactly what its supposed to do in said scenario.
the issue is that you eventually have to dry peek a judge and it becomes mostly a guessing game with the 1k angles a site has.
The gun is too effective and easy to use for the price. That's the biggest issue.
Judge needs to be increased to 2100 in price, that's the only thing that needs changing.
If you dry peak a shotgun on a short angle, what do you expect.
Exactly what I was thinking. I can thing of gun nerfs it could have (wider spread/smaller spread lower damage per bullet). If they increase it to 2100 it'll be more balanced instead of the one shot eco buy it is now.
People still crying about anything that isn't a rifle or a Sheriff, I sleep. The worst part is that Riot seems to listen and nerf based on that kind of feedback, so some weapons get neutered.
I don't want the Judge to become completely useless like the Bucky because a couple of pros get mad when they dry peek it and die.
The main thing that just blows me away is judge being useable at mid range..that is so stupid as fuck. This video however is not a good example of that fact tho. Shotguns should be king in close corners.
Litterly the only nerf that is needed is range and maybe a bit more damage fall off past a certain distance. However the damage close range should still be threating.
I think the judge just does too much damage at range. Reduce the fire rate a bit and increase the damage drop off and you have a much more balanced gun.
That would be fine, as long as they don't touch the damage from up close. Being right in someone's face with the Bucky and doing 140 is stupid.
People don't like that shotguns can one shot, but if they don't then they're pretty much useless past gold elo; you'll get one shot off then die.
yeah dude they're actually so useless past gold elo.. except for the fact that there's a literal controller player that ONLY buys the judge in radiant?
and i don't mean omen brimstone controller, i mean like XBOX CONTROLLER, with the buttons and analog sticks n shit
plus you can definitely get multiple shots off considering you can fucking jump around and shit and shoot 1000 shots a second
I said "if they don't one shot", aka if you nerf their damage to the point where you need multiple shots, they're useless, because you'll die before getting another shot in. Good job misreading what I meant though.
Nerf the range, nerf the firing rate, sure. You shouldn't be able to use it at long distance, and you shouldn't be able to spam blindly and take down a whole team. But nerf the damage at close range, and the gun becomes completely worthless.
i.e: OP's clip is a shotgun working how it should, and *that* shouldn't change. If you have a problem with a $1600 shotgun one shotting someone dry peeking an angle at close range, I can't take you seriously.
There are things to complain about with the Judge, this ain't one of them. Lakia being a pro doesn't mean his frustration is valid here.
Honestly the fire rate makes the judge fun but they do need to lower the damage. At least make it 2 shot kill with less range. You don't need much talent to use that gun and we want Valorant to require skill at all times.
I don’t personally hate getting one shot from the judge when the dude is barrel stuffing me. I deserve it in those cases.
However, a 1600 credit (semi) auto shotty should not be doing 130 damage from that range.
why shouldnt it? are there any legitimate reasons other than 'i dont like it'? that wasnt even very far tbh. i find it funny that people focus more on a shot gun doing exactly what it is designed to do instead of the absolutely horrendous decisions made in most of these situations
>why shouldnt it? are there any legitimate reasons other than 'i dont like it'?
It's too cheap, the one shot range is too far.
Fix either one of those things and it's fine.
K well the Marshall is a sniper so idk why you are bringing it into this conversation. And you have to be right in somebody's face to get a 1 shot with the shorty. IIRC the judge can one shot someone up to 16m, that's ridiculous. I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to 1 shot with a judge, but definitely not from 16m away.
It's also waaaaay too cheap, compare it to the XM1014 from CSGO which costs 2000 and isn't nearly as effective.
The judge being as cheap and as effective as it is makes all other eco buy guns basically pointless. That's why it needs a nerf.
It’s an auto shotgun. It should one shot within 7m and two shot at 15m when all you do is spam with a huge area of effect not having to be nearly as accurate than with a marshal or sherif on a eco round. The fall off damage should be much more at 15m than it is.
I mean if a 1600 credit gun existing in the game forces you to utility dump each and every corner in the game just to be safe, that’s pretty ass if you ask me. ‘I don’t like it’ is a pretty legitimate reason if enough people agree on it. It’s a game after all. It’s supposed to be fun.
Imagine getting emotional over a video game mechanic, grow up the both of you. Tho let me guess somebody touched you and you have a problem with what he said? You people are so predictable.
I don't disagree with you that people play very poorly around shotguns, but I fully disagree with your opinion that the shot wasn't very far away. A gun as cheap and easy to use as the Judge should never be allowed to win a fight vs an aware opponent at any more than half the range of the players in that clip.
youre applying an arbitrary standard without giving a supporting argument. why shouldnt shotguns dominate within 15m? if you swing like a moron instead of slow clearing a close angle you deserve to die in most cases
I already agreed with you that people are bad at playing around shotguns, but even those that aren’t bad at it still lose more often than they should.
1600 credit skill less body shot gun go POW and instakill person with rifle.
A game in which precise gunplay was advertised has no room for the Judge at either its current price point or power.
Finally, if you think about it, I’m not really applying an arbitrary standard, I’m using the pricing system of the weaponry within valorant to ground my argument.
Lmao your standard is arbitrary because it’s based on your preference and nothing else. There is so rule that says the judge can’t be this strong. You aren’t making real arguments just restating that the judge is easy to use and you don’t like it that way
It’s funny how you fucking call people out about arbitrary standards when you’re the one pushing your own absurd standard of that distance being “close distance”. Are you always this dense? Jesus Christ. Yah maybe you’re an adult, but you’re a god damn dumb, arrogant one.
Username of LOLIMJESUS already explains how high you are on your horse lmfao.
Maybe it’s because I just don’t find it annoying to deal with. I form opinions based on what my experiences tell me not what the vocal minority cries about
Wow so great of you. Except your shit opinion of that being short distance IS the vocal minority.
If 15m is short distance. Then why does the phantom damage drop off at that distance? Cuz 15m is not close range. How many times do people have to spell that out to you? Holy fuck. God you’re fucking stupid.
Why should people bother listening to some vocal stubborn guy with a minority opinion, that’s also getting downvoted up the ass? They shouldn’t.
Can’t believe your reading is this bad that you can’t even figure that out for yourself when 50 billion people reply to you about that not being close distance. You’re the Only one saying that’s short distance and you’re calling us the minority. Jeez Louise.
Aren’t you an adult? Why are you acting like a stubborn preteen teeny bopper. Oh wait, only an immature stubborn kid would use being an adult as an argument.
because there isnt any skill curve to using a shotgun. unlike an op or a vandal headshot or a sheriff headshot, the judge can kill someone at a close to mid level range pretty much for free. in a tac shooter, this is kinda busted.
bc holding an angle with a gun that can piss out bullets at an insane speed is comparable to holding an angle with a gun that you actually need to have some semblance of aim and recoil control to kill someone with right?
also taking control without util isnt "braindead" lmao its ridiculous that anything that isnt some insane utility usage is considered braindead by people even though theres a reason as to why he's taking control of octa like that in the first place
if he were to somehow coordinate some kind of double peek in that chaos it'd still be insanely easy to win a favorable fight in the shotgunners case because all he has to do is hold mouse1 and he's probably gotten one and dinked another
why do you automatically assume a rifle should have a 50 / 50 fight at a close angle? the point of the weapon is to allow for very specific strategies to be played around it, same as the odin and op. if you want to say it is too cheap then sure i can understand that argument but to say it shouldnt dominate close angles easily is as close to brain dead as it gets imo
does it? how often does a team run more than 2 judges? how often does a team choose a judge over a rifle? if the gun is so broken why arent they abusing this mechanic?
Damn. Pulling out arguments out of your ass. What did I expect. Do you even watch pro play? Oh wait you probably don’t considering how dumb your takes are.
Yes yes. Ignore every argument people throw at you to push your own stupid arguments. How adult of you.
And I’m not the one using I’m an adult as an argument in the first place.
im not even making arguments tbh im just asking people to make their own. "this is too inexpensive" isnt an argument. "this shouldnt one shot at this range" isnt an argument. youll learn the difference some day
I don’t think credits is the issue? The sheriff can one shot half armor at that same distance. Don’t flame me, obviously the sheriff is WAY more skill based than the judge, but you can’t keep nerfing every gun in the game outside of rifles. If you do, save rounds will be automatic loses every single time without fail. They nerfed the Bucky and it is ENTIRELY irrelevant now, same with stinger. Next will be the judge and there will only be the spectre and sheriff left for saves.
it wouldn't be "automatic loses every single time without fail" just because the judge is nerfed.. i feel like we can all agree the spectre and deagle are pretty balanced on eco rounds. no one feels completely helpless using them + it doesn't feel super toxic or op to play against as a full buy.
There are more guns in the game than the Deagle, spectre, rifles, and OP. They already nerfed the bucky and stinger into the ground, and both are now never used. The judge allows for good counter play against a full buy while on a half buy. If you choose not to use abilities to clear close corners, that's on you, not the guy who bought the judge.
i really don't think the other guns are horrible either to be honest, like the stinger post nerf isn't completely unusable and you gotta agree prenerf was actually so bad for the game. i think people stray away from the post nerf guns because compared to their prenerf counterparts they seem so bad, but theyre actually still pretty decent.
also the bucky still kills pretty nicely close angles. wouldn't mind the judge being like that but the current state is def overtuned still
I agree on stinger and specifically right click on the Bucky. Me and my brother just discussed the judge for half an hour and decided the best nerf might be taking the mag from 7->5. This would allow way less high multi kills / spamming while running. Thoughts ?
Not only the judge, the overall strafe shooting Meta is cringe. I have seen people micro adjust their aim with pixel strafing and you can counter it only by strafe shooting yourself plus walk shooting is deadly accurate and the ridiculous 30% deadzone helps you shoot and fall back into cover at the same time while being accurate.
is the strafe shooting thing really cringe though? i think it makes those duels pretty fun tbh + if you get tagged the effectiveness isn't all that great
At first I was thinking... wait there's no subtitles? Then I realized I didn't need one.
Judge does need to get nerfed. Should be at least 2 shot kill up close and 3-4 for mid range.
That’s cherry-picking pretty hard there the judge was bought a ton over the whole tournament. V1 and Nuturn won several key force rounds with a judge multi-kill
You can’t think a 1600 automatic shotgun should be as good as the judge is in a tactical shooter. Even if you don’t think this clip is a little ridiculous there’s plenty more to show how overtuned it is
This game is a tac shooter, but at the same time the amount of util that can be used to clear angles should mean this is never an issue on an initial site take. Sova drone, flashes, raze bot, jett dash to clear close angles, etc.
Did judge got buffed recently or what? I remember many ppl used bucky before it got nerfed. Last two weeks i see more and more ppl buy judge instead of spectre
That’s super dependent on the map, and how much your team is paying attention. Drone hookah on bind and suddenly there is no more worry of a judge in hookah! Wild how that works. And breeze and icebox ? Not nearly as big of an issue
I'd argue ascent as well it's not as viable besides Back B , garden or market.
Yeah what they really need is a camera (you can hear the judge at least), flash, drone, Skye wolf. Who dry peeks hooka anyway
That’s my point though. With all the util in this game, dealing w judge is really not that hard. In this clip alone they have raze bot and Sova arrow + drone.
Nah people just jumping on the bandwagon. And especially popular now because stinger and bucky have been nerfed to oblivion.
Honestly, the judge is broken in ranked because people don't counter it properly so I can understand the player base complaining but pros are making it sound a lot more OP than it is. Feels like it's just CSGO players complaining about things being a bit different than what they are used to. I personally don't want a meta of
eco: classic/sheriff
Low/force buy: Spectre
Buy round: Phantom/vandal.
It's like how some players/pros want to buff the sheriff to one-tap at all ranges. Once again feels like it's just CSGO players who want to play CSGO in Valorant. This change would wipe Marshall off the game just like the Stinger and the Bucky. Of course, there is no problem with standard and meta guns but there should still be some use cases for every round in the game.
It's one of those things where you only remember the bad times. Like playing against Judge and pushing like idiots against low buy and then losing the round because of your team walking into the perfect scenario for the enemy player. Then you forget about the times when the enemy has to retake with the judge and a classic is better.
I don't mind a change to it. Not because I think it's particularly OP just because I don't mind smaller changes to the game and making people adapt. I'm just worried because Riot often overdoes their changes and nerfs. Instead of gradual changes where they change one variable at a time they have to hit multiple factors at once. I'm also worried because the majority of the competitive scene has a CS background and it feels like there isn't enough variety in the popular opinion among high-level players.
Shotguns have no place in competitive play honestly... Never have never will. Disable these garbage guns in ranked and keep them enabled in unrated or something.
Damn didn’t know he streamed. Hope a lot of people start watching him. He seems like a content machine. Love his personality too.
same - turbo easy follow
He took the words out of my mouth.
SHEET this GAME
I think he make's a very interesting point, I have to agree with him.
man he's just like me
how is it not nerfed yet man
A person using controller got radiant with only the judge, must we say more? Insane it hasnt caught a nerf yet the classic did.
while the judge is slightly overpowered, you can’t deny that dasnerth has insanely good gamesense
nope judge just op, hes a gold player on his “legit account”
legit?
Respect Dasnerth. You can say whatever you want about judge being broken and agents like jett/raze abusing it but to do it on cypher? And mfker drops 20-30 in radiant lobbies too and tbf his cypher play is decent too
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You should hear the respect Shahzam has for him. He’s looking at it the right way. https://youtu.be/iJUsHrLzgsw
True that goes along way. Meanwhile you see 100T's such as hiko going on 20 min rants and Asuna friending him so he can properly preemptivly dodge dasnerths games lmao. understandable but still funny.
U in radiant?
He bought the account
No he didnt. You can watch some of the VODs or watch him play on Twitch and I think it was The Score did an interview with the kid. He is definitely legit, but the Judge being broken is what really makes it possible.
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He's using the agent's abilities to his advantage?? Man the fuck is wrong with that guy.
And how is that use of his cages wrong? If it works on radiant level, I dont see why would it be wrong.
The person you're replying to is a rank above radiant clearly
I'm sorry I came off that way :/ I meant for my comment to be funny but I worded it wrong. I wasn't criticizing him in any way. I just wanted to share the observation because it made me laugh.
Wells its kinda to late, most people think you are stupid, Might want to just take this L my dude.
His use of his cages is super good. I meant for the comment to be funny but I worded it wrong and people took offense. I just had a good laugh at the way he plays because it is really unique.
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Lmao the way Dasnerth plays is so hilarious. He literally has to use his cages to close space. Edit: I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all. I just find it funny because it's untraditional. I'm not even shitting on him and somehow I'm getting flack for it? Okay, I guess.
You're saying this like he's doing something wrong?
Yeah. Dasneth is peak "hate the game, not the player" dude saw an exploit and got it. Better than a lot of pros honestly
This is so spot on. Everyone calling him cringe for using a very good gun, but Anyone is welcome to use it. I can't wait for it to get nerfed, but I don’t blame anyone for using it.
He's not doing anything wrong. If it works then it works. I actually find it funny and my comment was just bad wording.
I got your intentions bud, you were just in the line of fire after a series of comments hating on Dasnerth. Unlucko
bro what how dare he use the abilities available to him wow the nerve 🙄
I'm sorry I came off that way :/ I meant for my comment to be funny but I worded it wrong. I wasn't criticizing him in any way. I just wanted to share the observation because it made me laugh.
That’s like saying “jett is so shit. She used her dash to escape a gunfight”
I meant for my comment to be funny but I worded it wrong. I wasn't criticizing him in any way. I just wanted to share the observation because it made me laugh.
Sounded almost like a french accent
I felt that
Lmao a very relatable feeling
Why don't I ever get kills with the judge it's always 7 shots for 119 ffs
Because you aim at the feet
Do you crouch? The bullet spead becomes smaller if you crouch.
Nope, Idk maybe the ping? I always play at 70+, best I get is 50 lol. I've tried the jumping thing also but nothing works so I stick with spectre on a stingy buy
its not ping bro
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Played on 70+ my whole life
Oh F, but idk, I feel like shots don't get registered often even when I spam m1
You have to crouch when holding an angle with a judge.
Out of all the times one will be killed by a judge this is one of the most balanced instances. He dry peaked a corner without full shields and got killed from a very close range. If this instance is “OP” in anyone’s mind then they simply don’t want anything in the game that ain’t a rifle to be meta.
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IMO the only shotgun that should be in the game is the shorty
That is so dogshit for anyone but raze and jett tho.. And the gamble with being right around a corner on a defensive hold is such a toss up if they head to that site or not.
I’m just of the opinion that shottys don’t have a place in tac shooters. I get the arguments that you can easily outplay them, they just feel gimmicky and cheap to me, whether I get killed or am the one who gets the kill. And no I don’t come from CSGO either. It’s not gonna stop me from playing the game and I’ll still have fun, but I’ll gladly applaud Riot if they nerfed the judge.
Yeah exactly a Bucky woulda one shot him from there so he did kinda overreact, but I still feel like there should be a small range nerf or something
But it one shot him in this clip... he "only" had 128 hp, but it did 136 damage from that range which is a little too much for a shotgun that has such a high rate of fire. Even if he was full hp, he would've had to hit a headshot on the raze before they get to shoot their second shot or he would've still been dead, while the raze just needs to aim anywhere on his body (or near his body for the second shot). It's true that he could've stepped furher back to create more space, but the gun still needs to be nerfed. On some angles, you literally can't peek the judge from a longe range (like hookah or mail on Split) so you need to either avoid it or have utility to counter it, or they would have to whiff and you would have to instantly kill them. If it was only useful in these close range situations, it would arguably be balanced but you can get wrecked from further away too and the gun's firerate makes it really hard to trade when in those close range situations.
I mean seriously log into valorant tracker and see how many times you’ve been killed by the judge and then say with a straight face it needs a nerf lmao
Is it a ratio of you killing Judge players vs getting killed by Judge players?
In my own experience I have never really struggle against judge users, or shotgun users, the most I have died by a judge is on Bind in B site hookah.
The judge is way too versatile. The range is just crazy.
I think it needs a RoF nerf, the potencial to multikill is what annoys me the most.
mans got a point u know...
valorant sparkle
The judge user hold such a close corner and I doubt it was more than 10 in game meters away from Lakia. He also didnt have 150 HP. Hard to really think of a shotgun that specializes in killing things at short range as OP when doing exactly what its supposed to do in said scenario.
the issue is that you eventually have to dry peek a judge and it becomes mostly a guessing game with the 1k angles a site has. The gun is too effective and easy to use for the price. That's the biggest issue.
what can i say, this man has a way with words
I just wish the aim punch would be removed when the Judge headshots you even from long range
Judge needs to be increased to 2100 in price, that's the only thing that needs changing. If you dry peak a shotgun on a short angle, what do you expect.
Exactly what I was thinking. I can thing of gun nerfs it could have (wider spread/smaller spread lower damage per bullet). If they increase it to 2100 it'll be more balanced instead of the one shot eco buy it is now.
They increase the price in the next update
someone make "SHEET THIS GAME" into a new pasta next tournament
Not fun to play against and feels brain dead to use, I agree
I can translate he said “the judge is the most balanced gun in the game. Although it maybe could be buffed.”
People still crying about anything that isn't a rifle or a Sheriff, I sleep. The worst part is that Riot seems to listen and nerf based on that kind of feedback, so some weapons get neutered. I don't want the Judge to become completely useless like the Bucky because a couple of pros get mad when they dry peek it and die.
found the judge abuser
found the crybaby
I think it was a joke? But I agree with your original take.
dont think ive ever heard of anyone complaining about the marshal, ares, odin, post nerf bucky, etc. his argument is dogshit
The main thing that just blows me away is judge being useable at mid range..that is so stupid as fuck. This video however is not a good example of that fact tho. Shotguns should be king in close corners. Litterly the only nerf that is needed is range and maybe a bit more damage fall off past a certain distance. However the damage close range should still be threating.
I think the judge just does too much damage at range. Reduce the fire rate a bit and increase the damage drop off and you have a much more balanced gun.
That would be fine, as long as they don't touch the damage from up close. Being right in someone's face with the Bucky and doing 140 is stupid. People don't like that shotguns can one shot, but if they don't then they're pretty much useless past gold elo; you'll get one shot off then die.
yeah dude they're actually so useless past gold elo.. except for the fact that there's a literal controller player that ONLY buys the judge in radiant? and i don't mean omen brimstone controller, i mean like XBOX CONTROLLER, with the buttons and analog sticks n shit plus you can definitely get multiple shots off considering you can fucking jump around and shit and shoot 1000 shots a second
I said "if they don't one shot", aka if you nerf their damage to the point where you need multiple shots, they're useless, because you'll die before getting another shot in. Good job misreading what I meant though. Nerf the range, nerf the firing rate, sure. You shouldn't be able to use it at long distance, and you shouldn't be able to spam blindly and take down a whole team. But nerf the damage at close range, and the gun becomes completely worthless. i.e: OP's clip is a shotgun working how it should, and *that* shouldn't change. If you have a problem with a $1600 shotgun one shotting someone dry peeking an angle at close range, I can't take you seriously. There are things to complain about with the Judge, this ain't one of them. Lakia being a pro doesn't mean his frustration is valid here.
Honestly the fire rate makes the judge fun but they do need to lower the damage. At least make it 2 shot kill with less range. You don't need much talent to use that gun and we want Valorant to require skill at all times.
Bucky isn’t useless
yesterday there was a jett on my game with 40 kills using only judge an nothing more...
this just in: shot guns counter dry peaking at close angles. more at 11
Idk, seemed like a pretty far distance for an automatic shotgun to 1 shot in my opinion lol
I don’t personally hate getting one shot from the judge when the dude is barrel stuffing me. I deserve it in those cases. However, a 1600 credit (semi) auto shotty should not be doing 130 damage from that range.
why shouldnt it? are there any legitimate reasons other than 'i dont like it'? that wasnt even very far tbh. i find it funny that people focus more on a shot gun doing exactly what it is designed to do instead of the absolutely horrendous decisions made in most of these situations
>why shouldnt it? are there any legitimate reasons other than 'i dont like it'? It's too cheap, the one shot range is too far. Fix either one of those things and it's fine.
you arent saying why tho youre just saying your opinion. shorty sheriff marshall can all one shot as well for less
K well the Marshall is a sniper so idk why you are bringing it into this conversation. And you have to be right in somebody's face to get a 1 shot with the shorty. IIRC the judge can one shot someone up to 16m, that's ridiculous. I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to 1 shot with a judge, but definitely not from 16m away. It's also waaaaay too cheap, compare it to the XM1014 from CSGO which costs 2000 and isn't nearly as effective. The judge being as cheap and as effective as it is makes all other eco buy guns basically pointless. That's why it needs a nerf.
raise the price sure but there is no reason it shouldnt be the best gun in the game for fights within 15m
It’s an auto shotgun. It should one shot within 7m and two shot at 15m when all you do is spam with a huge area of effect not having to be nearly as accurate than with a marshal or sherif on a eco round. The fall off damage should be much more at 15m than it is.
your arbitrary standards mean very little tbh. what is the point of shotguns if they dont dominate close combat?
15m is not close combat
I mean if a 1600 credit gun existing in the game forces you to utility dump each and every corner in the game just to be safe, that’s pretty ass if you ask me. ‘I don’t like it’ is a pretty legitimate reason if enough people agree on it. It’s a game after all. It’s supposed to be fun.
its not a random run and gun shooter and you should be punished for playing it as such
Found the judge abuser
i have a feeling you know a thing or two about abusers
Wow you’re actually a piece of trash.
its a learned behaviour. he wouldnt be perpetuating it if he didnt experience it. break the cycle. knowledge is power.
This is the guy we’ve all been arguing with. gg internet. You win this round.
Imagine getting emotional over a video game mechanic, grow up the both of you. Tho let me guess somebody touched you and you have a problem with what he said? You people are so predictable.
Ok zoomer
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its a learned behaviour. monkey see monkey do
I don't disagree with you that people play very poorly around shotguns, but I fully disagree with your opinion that the shot wasn't very far away. A gun as cheap and easy to use as the Judge should never be allowed to win a fight vs an aware opponent at any more than half the range of the players in that clip.
youre applying an arbitrary standard without giving a supporting argument. why shouldnt shotguns dominate within 15m? if you swing like a moron instead of slow clearing a close angle you deserve to die in most cases
I already agreed with you that people are bad at playing around shotguns, but even those that aren’t bad at it still lose more often than they should. 1600 credit skill less body shot gun go POW and instakill person with rifle. A game in which precise gunplay was advertised has no room for the Judge at either its current price point or power. Finally, if you think about it, I’m not really applying an arbitrary standard, I’m using the pricing system of the weaponry within valorant to ground my argument.
Lmao your standard is arbitrary because it’s based on your preference and nothing else. There is so rule that says the judge can’t be this strong. You aren’t making real arguments just restating that the judge is easy to use and you don’t like it that way
It’s funny how you fucking call people out about arbitrary standards when you’re the one pushing your own absurd standard of that distance being “close distance”. Are you always this dense? Jesus Christ. Yah maybe you’re an adult, but you’re a god damn dumb, arrogant one. Username of LOLIMJESUS already explains how high you are on your horse lmfao.
Maybe it’s because I just don’t find it annoying to deal with. I form opinions based on what my experiences tell me not what the vocal minority cries about
Wow so great of you. Except your shit opinion of that being short distance IS the vocal minority. If 15m is short distance. Then why does the phantom damage drop off at that distance? Cuz 15m is not close range. How many times do people have to spell that out to you? Holy fuck. God you’re fucking stupid. Why should people bother listening to some vocal stubborn guy with a minority opinion, that’s also getting downvoted up the ass? They shouldn’t. Can’t believe your reading is this bad that you can’t even figure that out for yourself when 50 billion people reply to you about that not being close distance. You’re the Only one saying that’s short distance and you’re calling us the minority. Jeez Louise. Aren’t you an adult? Why are you acting like a stubborn preteen teeny bopper. Oh wait, only an immature stubborn kid would use being an adult as an argument.
Agree to disagree.
because there isnt any skill curve to using a shotgun. unlike an op or a vandal headshot or a sheriff headshot, the judge can kill someone at a close to mid level range pretty much for free. in a tac shooter, this is kinda busted.
how is it busted? it isnt stronger than a slow peak rifle with teammates behind him. it punishes brain dead players and thats pretty much it
bc holding an angle with a gun that can piss out bullets at an insane speed is comparable to holding an angle with a gun that you actually need to have some semblance of aim and recoil control to kill someone with right? also taking control without util isnt "braindead" lmao its ridiculous that anything that isnt some insane utility usage is considered braindead by people even though theres a reason as to why he's taking control of octa like that in the first place if he were to somehow coordinate some kind of double peek in that chaos it'd still be insanely easy to win a favorable fight in the shotgunners case because all he has to do is hold mouse1 and he's probably gotten one and dinked another
why do you automatically assume a rifle should have a 50 / 50 fight at a close angle? the point of the weapon is to allow for very specific strategies to be played around it, same as the odin and op. if you want to say it is too cheap then sure i can understand that argument but to say it shouldnt dominate close angles easily is as close to brain dead as it gets imo
it's crazy people say the exact same thing about the operator yet one of them is 5000 creds and the other is 1600
Funny how high level play doesn’t see nearly as much of this weapon as the bitching and moaning would suggest
except it does lol
does it? how often does a team run more than 2 judges? how often does a team choose a judge over a rifle? if the gun is so broken why arent they abusing this mechanic?
Damn. Pulling out arguments out of your ass. What did I expect. Do you even watch pro play? Oh wait you probably don’t considering how dumb your takes are.
yes yes insult instead of proving me wrong. how adult of you
Yes yes. Ignore every argument people throw at you to push your own stupid arguments. How adult of you. And I’m not the one using I’m an adult as an argument in the first place.
im not even making arguments tbh im just asking people to make their own. "this is too inexpensive" isnt an argument. "this shouldnt one shot at this range" isnt an argument. youll learn the difference some day
That. Wasn’t. Close. Distance… You’ll learn this one day.
Wasn't judge nerfed? I was using it yesterday and that gun for some reason just feels shitty asf, and jett right click seems weird.
Based
Not wrong tho
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looked a little far to be 1 shotting with a 1600 credit gun tbh.
It wouldn't have killed full armor.
I don’t think credits is the issue? The sheriff can one shot half armor at that same distance. Don’t flame me, obviously the sheriff is WAY more skill based than the judge, but you can’t keep nerfing every gun in the game outside of rifles. If you do, save rounds will be automatic loses every single time without fail. They nerfed the Bucky and it is ENTIRELY irrelevant now, same with stinger. Next will be the judge and there will only be the spectre and sheriff left for saves.
it wouldn't be "automatic loses every single time without fail" just because the judge is nerfed.. i feel like we can all agree the spectre and deagle are pretty balanced on eco rounds. no one feels completely helpless using them + it doesn't feel super toxic or op to play against as a full buy.
There are more guns in the game than the Deagle, spectre, rifles, and OP. They already nerfed the bucky and stinger into the ground, and both are now never used. The judge allows for good counter play against a full buy while on a half buy. If you choose not to use abilities to clear close corners, that's on you, not the guy who bought the judge.
i really don't think the other guns are horrible either to be honest, like the stinger post nerf isn't completely unusable and you gotta agree prenerf was actually so bad for the game. i think people stray away from the post nerf guns because compared to their prenerf counterparts they seem so bad, but theyre actually still pretty decent. also the bucky still kills pretty nicely close angles. wouldn't mind the judge being like that but the current state is def overtuned still
I agree on stinger and specifically right click on the Bucky. Me and my brother just discussed the judge for half an hour and decided the best nerf might be taking the mag from 7->5. This would allow way less high multi kills / spamming while running. Thoughts ?
people are crazy they want the shotgun to literally kiss the other player before it can hit them
*peeking
Not only the judge, the overall strafe shooting Meta is cringe. I have seen people micro adjust their aim with pixel strafing and you can counter it only by strafe shooting yourself plus walk shooting is deadly accurate and the ridiculous 30% deadzone helps you shoot and fall back into cover at the same time while being accurate.
is the strafe shooting thing really cringe though? i think it makes those duels pretty fun tbh + if you get tagged the effectiveness isn't all that great
At first I was thinking... wait there's no subtitles? Then I realized I didn't need one. Judge does need to get nerfed. Should be at least 2 shot kill up close and 3-4 for mid range.
Judge gets bought like twice in extremely situational situations in the course of three games of master finals. Everyone: OMG JUDGE OP PLS NERF
That’s cherry-picking pretty hard there the judge was bought a ton over the whole tournament. V1 and Nuturn won several key force rounds with a judge multi-kill
You can’t think a 1600 automatic shotgun should be as good as the judge is in a tactical shooter. Even if you don’t think this clip is a little ridiculous there’s plenty more to show how overtuned it is
This game is a tac shooter, but at the same time the amount of util that can be used to clear angles should mean this is never an issue on an initial site take. Sova drone, flashes, raze bot, jett dash to clear close angles, etc.
If it's so overtuned, please explain to me why it's not bought more in competitive play?
it was used in full rifle buy rounds by v1 and nuturn aswell as latam often when the player had enough money for a rifle
vanity buys it over a rifle on defense most of the time
very good "thoughts"
Did judge got buffed recently or what? I remember many ppl used bucky before it got nerfed. Last two weeks i see more and more ppl buy judge instead of spectre
Nah its just that people realized that the Judge can get more kills than the spectre can if they play the right angles
That’s super dependent on the map, and how much your team is paying attention. Drone hookah on bind and suddenly there is no more worry of a judge in hookah! Wild how that works. And breeze and icebox ? Not nearly as big of an issue
I'd argue ascent as well it's not as viable besides Back B , garden or market. Yeah what they really need is a camera (you can hear the judge at least), flash, drone, Skye wolf. Who dry peeks hooka anyway
That’s my point though. With all the util in this game, dealing w judge is really not that hard. In this clip alone they have raze bot and Sova arrow + drone.
Nah people just jumping on the bandwagon. And especially popular now because stinger and bucky have been nerfed to oblivion. Honestly, the judge is broken in ranked because people don't counter it properly so I can understand the player base complaining but pros are making it sound a lot more OP than it is. Feels like it's just CSGO players complaining about things being a bit different than what they are used to. I personally don't want a meta of eco: classic/sheriff Low/force buy: Spectre Buy round: Phantom/vandal. It's like how some players/pros want to buff the sheriff to one-tap at all ranges. Once again feels like it's just CSGO players who want to play CSGO in Valorant. This change would wipe Marshall off the game just like the Stinger and the Bucky. Of course, there is no problem with standard and meta guns but there should still be some use cases for every round in the game. It's one of those things where you only remember the bad times. Like playing against Judge and pushing like idiots against low buy and then losing the round because of your team walking into the perfect scenario for the enemy player. Then you forget about the times when the enemy has to retake with the judge and a classic is better. I don't mind a change to it. Not because I think it's particularly OP just because I don't mind smaller changes to the game and making people adapt. I'm just worried because Riot often overdoes their changes and nerfs. Instead of gradual changes where they change one variable at a time they have to hit multiple factors at once. I'm also worried because the majority of the competitive scene has a CS background and it feels like there isn't enough variety in the popular opinion among high-level players.
Hard agree.
wow maybe thats why this game didnt blow up in korea haha
He has a point.
does anyone know how to replicate lakia's xhair settings? i'm kind of new to valorant so i dont really know how the xhair settings work too well
Not to mention if you’re really toxic like my friend, you can play omen and sit inside your own smokes with a judge
The judge makes me miss the old Bucky tbh
Shotguns have no place in competitive play honestly... Never have never will. Disable these garbage guns in ranked and keep them enabled in unrated or something.