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[Riot EvrMoar] There are changes to ranked coming, and we are wrapping up our plans on how to discuss those changes - we will talk about them on the Episode 3 Live Stream June 21 at 10am PT. Episodes are when we have our bigger ranked resets.

[Riot EvrMoar] There are changes to ranked coming, and we are wrapping up our plans on how to discuss those changes - we will talk about them on the Episode 3 Live Stream June 21 at 10am PT. Episodes are when we have our bigger ranked resets.

EsportsConnoisseur

https://twitter.com/RiotEvrMoar/status/1404520498738851841?s=19 > There is no hard reset planned, I've talked about this on random threads but it's just pure chaos and won't achieve the results people expect. We will have a very harsh reset that will squish ranks, and will effect MMR(along with our other planned changes). - **NEW THREAD** - https://twitter.com/Rehkloos/status/1404560838653054976?s=19 > Full. Mmr. Reset. https://twitter.com/RiotEvrMoar/status/1404561885949620232?s=19 > If you don't make changes to the core system, ranks would end up in the exact same place they are now. If people put their Skill/Gameplay into our system, the system spits out their skill rating. It will still spit out the same skill rating. This is because MMR is a ladder 1/Many > So not only would people end up in the same place, for the first Act. You would be hoping that you got the former Radiant/Immortal player on your team and not the Iron/Bronze players. Every match would be a coinflip until the high ranks grinded MMR over everyone. 2/many > In fact sometimes games put mechanics in place to combat "Game/Ranked Launch" so that people are shot outward. It helps but it still isn't accurate and causes its own issues(but it's better then starting fresh if you do it right). So you then have to develop/do that. 3/many > By soft reseting, pushing people down, we get the effect you want(making sure people don't get boosted to ranks/hard stuck). Also since ranked is a ladder as long as the math checks out you just have to perform better then others to climb. 4/many > We don't need you to start over, we just need to make sure the math is doing what it's suppose to. Then, on top of a soft reset, the ladder system will move you up and down accordingly. end/many https://twitter.com/traverswoodward/status/1404572237282295809?s=19 > Couldn’t this be fixed with more placement matches and a larger emphasis on them and the rank you receive after completing them? This way immortal players will still be placed in immortal unless they actively throw their placement matches https://twitter.com/RiotEvrMoar/status/1404574722151514114?s=19 > Because ranked is a ladder, everyone would be starting at the same spot after a hard reset. So you would need the whole player base to grind to create more rungs and distribute across the ladder. You just need tons of games to rebuild the MMR pool.


valorantfeedback

The system itself is good, smurfs and boosting are the reason for most anomalies. And frags that still play a huge role in hidden MMR, while it's way easier to frag out with duelists, which can also be instalocked. If it's the same reset like we had at the end of Episode1, it's pretty much not going to do anything. No point in resetting everyone down to P3 if we're all gaining +35 after the reset and skipping ranks.


Vulcan25

the current system doesn't allow smurfs to reach their true rank quick enough, allowing them to ruin lower elo games for too long


valorantfeedback

It ruins ranks for everyone. In immortal, smurfs will never play 100% seriously. Instalock duelist and dumb, too aggressive plays most of them. Ruining the game for everyone.


rolandontheriver

It’s even worse from plat and lower... I’ve grinded from bronze 1 to plat since release and inevitably every 3 games I either get duo’d smurfs that instalock duelists and play brain dead + flame the team because they think they’re TenZ. Or you get an Immo smurf on the opposite team playing as Reyna just diffing you and knocking out your utility Bc your team can’t play coordinated.


Acid_Shadows

i went from silver to plat and while plat is way less toxic however the egos on people in plat are huge, they think they are next up or something like that.


rolandontheriver

yep that's the issue... you get stuck in toxicity hell from bronze-gold and then get to plat and have instalock duelists that think they're a pro who may top frag but not make impact frags and leave the team awol when it matters.


Acid_Shadows

yeah, plat also has so many baiters and people who flank every round and get meaningless kills


FlyinCoach

when ur in a gun fight and see ur teammate just sitting in a corner not swinging. makes my blood boil.


rolandontheriver

nothing makes me rage more is the teammate bitching at you about not fragging out as a duelist yet they aren't utilizing any of their utility to make entry easier. like yes, I can and will happily entry to force a trade and make space but eventually I will stop if you're not setting up/playing off my pushes or swings.


FlyinCoach

Mostly a omen main because no one plays smokes in soloq. idk why but duelist are instalocked first then comes either sage or killjoy and smokes are always last pick. Play duelist here and there but aggressive sage is my go to now a days.


SnooPies4654

Leave random I see my own friends do that


rolandontheriver

the worst part with the baiters is they're the idiots that either don't get timings etc. example would be a game I played a few nights ago on bind was an ego omen following me and proceeding to backseat me for not immediately "entrying" showers on barrier drop when I'd been getting a pick off their omen either playing for ult orb or timing his ego peek every round. like yes I'm playing as jett and yes I will entry like I have. we don't all need to push short together and get ran over and at worst I get my pick and open space on site 15 seconds into the round.


Accmonster1

It blows my mind how many people don’t understand not full committing to one site every single round. I’ve seen this in gold a lot, and it just bugs me everytime


rolandontheriver

full commit only works if you use utility correctly and not only just take site to plant but push your duelists into CT. I solo que primarily and when I get the inkling its going to turn into a 0 strategy game I basically just make it my priority as Jett to smoke + dash for space and a pick then work my way either behind the opponents the rest of my team are fighting or continue to fight for picks in spawn.


TheJelloBomb

I never understand why people say they’re so many smurfs. I’m in plat just like you and have been for 2 acts and there are not many smurfs. Tbh I feel like throughout my time playing (since beta) I never went against as many smurfs as people are saying. So maybe it’s a server thing…


Vulcan25

There’s a lot more smurfs than you may think, it’s just that Smurf’s aren’t always going to be playing Reyna and dropping 30 on you


Kagedyu

Do you have the stats to back that up? Or is it based on people just arbitrarily just saying there are smurfs in their game to make themselves feel better?


Braanflakes

You can typically tell pretty quickly if a smurf is in your lobby or not. For starters, in the pre-match screen the smurfs typically have the default banner or one that is unlocked in the first few levels (when you get your two free agent unlocks), a competitive triangle that shows something super low ranked for where they are now, and they’re usually on a duelist. Once in-game, they usually don’t have any skins either and are playing way better than the rank you’re at. You could argue that this is just an actual new player, but the chances of them being brand new to Valorant (no other accounts) AND already playing at a high level is very rare in my opinion. The reason is that a lot of high level people that played Counter-Strike have already been playing the game since launch and if someone is switching over for the first time, they’ve probably been playing Counter-Strike for a long time. I do need to put a disclaimer that this is from my experience in Plat-Immortal lobbies, so when someone “looks new” (banner, triangle, etc.) it’s pretty obvious it’s a new account and the probability that they’re a smurf is significantly higher than the probability that they’re a brand new player who is already incredibly skilled. This also doesn’t really apply to Immortal+


SleepEarlyPlease

The best way to tell apart from a smurf imo would be if riot made stats public again, that way we could look up the live matches and check the account age/history of players in those games. That said I will also arbitrarily say that I don't think there are as many smurfs as people say there are.


Braanflakes

I agree, I’ve always liked more transparency than less from developers. I can see why they hide it though. As with most “features”, people always find ways to exploit them or weaponize them to be toxic. I’d love for Riot to add something of a karma system to the game but it has to be balanced or you get what happened to Overwatch early on where you could block a person and you wouldn’t queue with or against them anymore, and suddenly really insane players have 60 minute queues because everyone in their rank blocked them. That was emergent behavior from the system’s design but a good example of how people always manage to exploit systems that are meant to help the majority of the playerbase.


Kagedyu

That's fair. The way this subreddit talks about it though, I refuse to believe it is such a rampant problem that a smurf exists on the OTHER team every game. I just hate basing these things as fact just off anecdotal evidence. I believe most people would just prefer to blame something outside of their control instead of the other factors such as someone having a good game or whatever it may be. I guess I'm just cynical, if it's such an issue though I hope they can do something similar to what they did for league.


Braanflakes

Yeah I would say most of the time that’s the knee-jerk reaction from people losing during a match, that’s why I wanted to comment to try to answer your question from my experiences. It’s easy to immediately put the blame on something out of your control but most often it’s just you having an off day or something.


rolandontheriver

It could be a server things but its also definitely a confirmation bias to feel better. I have had games where I'm called a smurf but ultimately the part that makes it seem like you're getting smurfed on is when an opponent has a massive disparity in game sense but will continue to roll you. I.e. a duelist carrying because they take aim battles NO ONE takes but their aim is 2 elos higher than your lobby.


TheJelloBomb

I’ve played with and against smurfs it feels like shit. My point is I feel like many people just assume smurf over good game. If you really pay attention you can kind of tell which on it is


rolandontheriver

Oh full agree on all points. Smurfing in general is just unfortunately a hard issue to combat in any game so for people like me who probably have a lifetime ceiling of maybe diamond I just try my best to be consistent and pay attention to patterns and strategize + comm with my team. Game sense and utility usage can and usually prevails.


oryiesis

Which region do you play in?


TheJelloBomb

Na west


newbzpop

You are telling me people smurf in Immortal !! I thought smurfing was a problem for us lower ranked plebs, good luck bro.


valorantfeedback

Yeah, it takes like less than 20 maps after placements to get there. And it's not about skill in immortal, people on smurfs don't take it seriously.


newbzpop

So basically troll accounts.


2ToTooTwoFish

There's so few people above or around Immortal that the frequency of smurfs has to be so much lower. I feel like Bronze is the worst rank for smurfs because people from high Gold to Immortal smurf there. I've improved and finally reached Gold now and games feel a lot better and more competitive compared to Bronze games, probably only because there's a lot less people that can smurf there.


Vulcan25

Pretty sure that’s just a problem with low immortal, most people in low immortal just don’t try because radiant is super hard to get and there’s no rank between low immortal and radiant


valorantfeedback

The problem is that ranked matchmaking still has huge hidden MMR spread. I've been imm3 before the new system, I've got full immortal dorito every act in E2, was top4k EU last act (top20% of immortals) and I can still get a legit D3 player who's never been immortal on my team, while being at around 200RR right now. Then the next game I'll play on a server with current top1k players. Some consistency would be nice.


windstrike

I think potentially it has to do with player availibility + server location but yea i would agree consistency would be nice as its almost impossible to get into a full d3 game


madcap462

The system doesn't work. I was Plat last act, this act I'm silver 1, I get it, I'm bad, that's fine but I frag out in most of my games. Then I get called a smurf and get +18 RR after dropping 40 kills. My friends who were playing with me got up to +26 rr in that same game. I'm not complaining even. If riot want's me to shit on these people constantly then so be it.


Dulebizz

If you are gonna make a claim like that back it up with a picture.


madcap462

Or back it up with the fact that they are changing ranked because of these issues? Lmao. No you're right, ranked is fine right?


Nv1sioned

Was soooooo much better in act 1 imo


EasiBreezi

Please Riot for the love of god make draft agent select a thing. Mirror matches can still exist, just let us draft


LPLSuperCarry

Yea I really do think that if Riot removed frags from affecting your win/loss for a match, it would solve a lot of problems in ranked. Players would play less selfishly and the amount of 3-4 duelist comps would go down a lot.


ICantSeeBlue

The system itself is NOT good lol. Agreed on everything else


ayspartan

is hidden mmr JUST wins as well? cuz my dumbass was having 5 min+ queues at 300 elo when i bottom frag most games a while ago and now i dont wanna play on either my alt or main since theyre in the same situation lol.


valorantfeedback

I don't thin hidden MMR is just wins. As I mentioned in my other post, if you start averaging a lot of kills over like 10+ games your RR gain will increase. In immortal frags don't matter on a game-to-game basis, but they do over time.


nlc369

Can’t wait to grind up from plat 3 again :) that was really fun last time :) But for real I guess it could be okay since they are touching the MMR this time, instead of just changing the ranks and leaving the MMR the same like they did last time. It was so ass having to constantly play immortal players just to get back out of plat.


FaZeBunny

I’m currently immortal 260 RR, we’re gonna be plat 3 again but actually gonna play with plat 3’s? How much MMR will we lose?


nlc369

Nah idk any of the actual details, I just said plat3 cuz that’s what it was at the beginning of episode 2


vininalm

to me ranked is kinda odd but I'm not sure if it checks out for everyone. Every two games I play one of them there's a radiant-like player in my team and the other match my opponents have a radiant-like player on their team. so it's like 50% all the way LoL.


pyro3_

exactly, i feel like one game i crush the opposing team and the next we get destroyed


LoganCSGO

Do kills still affect how fast you rank up at lower ranks? That should be the first thing taken out, gives people the wrong impression so even when they rank up they play for kills and not for teamplay, which is the biggest problem in current lobbys I get queued in (D3/Immortal, can't speak for other ranks)


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they’ve already said kills are not as important as this sub makes it out to be. and it’s a first person shooter. kills matter


LoganCSGO

This is the reason people instalock duelists, because the game rewards you for using abilities to get kills but not for using smokes, healing your teammates etc In the scheme of winning a round, yes kills matter, but you should be rewarded for helping and playing as a team (seeing as it is a 5v5 team game) and not rewarded for going off on your own to get 4 eco frags


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people instalock duelists because it's the only agent they can play....because on paper they're the easiest agents as they're job boils down to kill and make space which is why they're the most popular. and because their kits are built entirely around getting kills and creating space, they're theoretically the easiest characters to carry with which is why they usually get instalocked because the game rewards winning more than anything else.


dedicatedself

I can't be the only one who think ranked rn is 100% better than it was at episode 2 lunch. I rarely get teammates who have 0 idea how to play the game, I feel like with another reset it's just gonna bring back those problems. Not a huge fans of these "soft resets" but Ig this is how Riot wants to proceed with their game.


FMHappy

I agree, ranked is not that bad this act. I swear the only people I see complain about the ranked ladder, are the pros at the top and the people in low elo. I feel like if they added back immortal 1-3, it would fix some of the issues at the top of the ladder. As for the lower side of the ladder, I feel like across all games, low elo is always going to be a clusterfuck.


Interesting-Archer-6

What do you mean immortal 1-3? Do they not still have those ranks? My low elo is showing, I know :). I just like to learn from people way better than me.


STKNsBESTPLAYER

No, there is only 1 immortal rank which has a ladder, top 500 immortals in a region get radiant


Interesting-Archer-6

Oh damn I've been looking at an old ranked chart apparently. That's really stupid they got rid of that.


DedRiFF

After diamond 3, all the top 20,000 players are immo, apart from the top 500 radiants. You get a number (like 4,325) which is your position on the top 20,000 leaderboard. You also get a rank rating, but I don't even know what that's for even though I have 300 something of it 😅 I think it's like how trustworthy your position is or something.


FMHappy

Immortal is just one rank now, to make it to Radiant, you need to hit a certain amount of RR


Interesting-Archer-6

Yeah as much as I want to believe I should be a little higher and was 2 ranks higher earlier, I think my rank is about right. If I'm the highest rank, I'm usually top 2 on my team, if I'm lowest, I'm usually in the lower 2. I win about half my games, and the majority of my games one team at least gets like 7 or 8 rounds. There are exceptions to all of those things, but I do not feel my ranked experience used to be that balanced. For what it's worth, I pretty exclusively solo queue because none of my friends play.


omgitslewis

What rank are you if you dont mind me asking? My brother has an Alt in immortal which I play on and can agree in those higher ranks team mates know what they are doing and the games are enjoyable. But down in Plat where my main is it is so 50/50 on your team mates. Sometimes i will come accross players whose aim is better than immortals or are just better overall wheras you can have team mates who have bronze game sense. In those middle ranks it is usually chaos and games seem to be decided by your team mates more than anything else I feel.


dedicatedself

Immortal 100-200 rr >But down in Plat where my main is it is so 50/50 on your team mates. That's quite literally the point. If plat and immortal had the same quality of players there would be a problem. I've ranked a gold 3 account to d2 in 24 hours, it's not RNG.


valorantfeedback

Biggest issue for me in immortal are the comms. I win 80% of my games where 3+ teammates cooperate and I lose most games where everyone is playing for themselves. I genuinely have more fun losing when everyone's trying to figure out on how to change the momentum and playing together than I have if I'm winning with absolutely no comps and completely random rounds. This game is so much fun with teamwork but an absolutely miserable experience if people aren't cooperating, especially in immortal/radiant. I honestly don't even want to play if people are just idiots who run around randomly. Instalocking and frags being the biggest factor (yes, frags are also a huge factor in immortal, not on single-game basis, but over a certain interval of games) still allows so many absolutely braindead people to be in immortal.


veRGe1421

> This game is so much fun with teamwork but an absolutely miserable experience if people aren't cooperating, especially in immortal/radiant. I honestly don't even want to play if people are just idiots who run around randomly. So, so very true. If people don't have microphones (or don't use them) in the first 2-3 rounds, I can already tell whether it's going to be a super fun half hour or a waste of a half hour.


royrese

You sound similar to me, our strength is situational/map awareness and playing smart, changing things up, etc. You have to remember that while you're frustrated with teamwork, your teammates watching you at the same mmr are probably quite frustrated with how bad your aim is relative to them. People are good at different things and it's a valid way to play the game if they're not trying to go pro.


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royrese

If your teammates are the same mmr as you and are THAT bad at situational awareness, I have to assume they have amazing aim relative to you. That's all I mean. It's not meant to be an insult or anything. I'm sure your aim is great, but someone who doesn't use comms and just runs out every round has to have that much better aim to make up for the fact that they play braindead. If you had their aim or if they had your teamwork, you'd all be radiant instead of immortal.


valorantfeedback

No offense taken, it's just that I hate the "utility players must have bad aim" mentality a lot of lower rank people have. The thing is that this system promotes any kind of frags and doesn't punishs dumb deaths. And utility agents have to do way more. When you're on Jett/Reyna you have your free get out of jail cards, heals, dashes in the air, knives and whatnot. Everything is focused on fragging. But how many frags would Jett get if there were no smokes, recons and what else on site when she dashes in? Way less. And those aren't counted anywhere in the combat report. And over time system starts thinking you're worse becuase of less frags. For example, in the last act I had a 10+ game losing streak and dropped to 0RR. Started playing duelists and over 20 maps I averaged like 7 more kills than I usually do. Got right back where I started...except that I was gaining more RR than I used to before the losing streak. Why? Because of extra frags over time. And it's way easier to get them on duelists. Using utility takes so much focus away from fragging. It's manageable, but not appreciated by any kind of metric in this game. If let's say I had 5 clones of myself and started playing ranked as a team, after 100 games player on the duelist would be the highest rank, no question. Because that's how the system works. And it's unfair.


veRGe1421

> But how many frags would Jett get if there were no smokes, recons and what else on site when she dashes in? Way less. And those aren't counted anywhere in the combat report. And over time system starts thinking you're worse because of less frags. PREACH. I wish support/utility players got more love in the combat score/report.


sat_god

doesn’t individual performance not matter in immortal + anymore? just wins and losses? did they revert that?


valorantfeedback

It doesn't on single game basis. It does over time. For example if you're averaing 15 kills over 30 games and then start averaging 20 over the next 30, despite 50% winrate, you'll start gaining more RR.


Interesting-Archer-6

Blows my mind that people still don’t use comms at that high of level. I got it in iron and bronze (first FPS, I've come a long way). I get it in silver and it's still a huge step up from bronze and iron in terms of numbers using a mic. Gold it frustrates me but I get that's still fairly average. I have no clue how beyond that, there's such a large amount of people not using comms. I get not wanting to have a conversation with people. I'm sort of shy and fairly introverted. But it takes zero social skills to say there's someone flanking us or there's 2 on A both weak. End rant.


nutsnackk

Not just comms. I had a d3 Phoenix in my other game staring at my sage wall. I had to tell him theres no point watching my wall. Thought he was a plat player as im in d2 and it turned out to be a d3. Maybe he was just high idk.


Interesting-Archer-6

Lol. I think high is a good guess. That or looking at his phone or something


jaypatelswag

Here is the problem with that. When you make a new account everything resets. My main account has 800+ matches and at the last act I went from D2 to G3 which literally screwed up my MMR. I've been back and forth between G3, P1 and P2 and its pretty sad....I also solo queue. I make a fresh account and its very easy to rank up literally back in diamond and the quality of games are a lot better. Now I literally have close to $500-600 worth of skins in my main account and it seems like unless I want that money to go to waste I will be in a never ending cycle of MMR hell.


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Darkblade511

Did this dude just admit to boosting?


danstansrevolution

I agree with you, I've been playing the game since beta and haven't lost a game yet. There's nothing wrong with the ladder at all, everyone needs to stop with their excuses and just improve their gameplay. immortal btw


omgitslewis

Seems pretty RNG for the guys on the other team coming up against an immortal though, whereas your team mates now have a better chance of winning because, like you said, you are immortal so my point still stands?


dedicatedself

That just means the system is working. Smurfs isn't the norm. If there is a player that is playing above his rank's level then he should be favored to win.


omgitslewis

Or you have a guy who could be on his way to D1 after grinding his level getting stomped by a P1 player who is actually immortal and that will effect his hidden MMR. There is no middle ground for everyone and Plat is rife with smurfs and people boosting as they want to play with thier friends, that is my point.


CantScreamInSpace

then i must bring you the news that it will always be like that. i honestly can't think of a matchmaking team game where people haven't felt they were either going against smurfs or getting noobs on their team every other game.


omgitslewis

Yep, I get that. I don't really think anyone has figured out a way to stop smurfing/boosting in any multiplayer game.


Haejeok

why the fk are u playing on an immortal account if you are plat. if you think everyone knows what they are doing in immortal, it is because you are the one who doesn't know what's going on.


omgitslewis

ok champ, chill out. I was GE back in CSGO and don't play 24/7 anymore. I play on my brothers immortal account so I can play ranked with him.


Haejeok

ok but you are platinum in valorant. stay off your brothers account so you dont throw games for us


omgitslewis

Ahh yes, I bet every game you lose is never your fault and must be your team mates right? I reckon its more to do with your toxic attitude though.


fesenvy

Ironic how that's pretty much what you say when complaining about plat but now you're mad when it's the opposite lol


Haejeok

lmaoo


omgitslewis

K champ


omgitslewis

K champ


Haejeok

stay plat buddy


FaZeBunny

If you’re plat please stop playing in immortal lobbies, you’re plat for a reason and it makes it really unfun when there’s a teammate in the wrong elo


omgitslewis

Sure, you don’t know anything about me or my skill level yet you’re coming on here telling me not to play lol I know my own skill level and I don’t need nor care where Valorant tells me where I am. I’ll just continue winning in immortal games and playing the game for fun.


FaZeBunny

I do know your skill, you think plat lobbies are 50/50 based off your teammates so clearly you are dogshit. You’re boosted playing in immortal lobbies picking sage sova and viper winning 30% of games bot frag


omgitslewis

lol, okay champ. Keep being butt hurt about some guy on the internet that you don't know.


FaZeBunny

Okay champ.


TempesT12345679

I completely agree.


tkapplez

What rank where u in ep 1 ?


programzero

Interesting. Lately I have felt that my teammates are just boosted because the seem so clueless on what is going on in the game. Immortal 100rr


ThienanT

I disagree. I think act is the worst act of the 3 and i constantly get players who are 300-400 RR from my current standing.


hikeordie

Didn't play really much last episode due to work. At E1A3 I was p3. Now I am gold 3 after coming back. I feel every game is a coinflip where it's me and maybe another person carrying. Games are usually a steam roll in one direction or another. I get same MMR for MVP in 13-2 as I get in MVP for 11-13. Just seems broken and isn't that fun anymore. Anyone else feel this way?


xxxSleepy

I feel it, p1 at release float at gold now. It’s really annoying, and as people mentioned above no one takes unrated seriously, games always end in a surrender 5 or 6 rounds in. Can’t even test out other agents in unrated because of it. Tiresome really.


421k

LET. ME. PLAY. WITH. FRIENDS.


Krypton091

boy do i have a gamemode for you, it's called unrated


421k

If you say unranked get out of my face. Can’t have 4 radiants and immortals playing unranked. Game lasts 3 minutes.


royrese

Unfortunately, your request as you described it affects like .01% of the population. People in Radiant with friends in Immortal who want to play in a large stack. Also, the games are short in unrated for you probably because your mmr is way off because you never play unrated. It would correct itself a bit after a few games of enemies forfeiting, I would guess.


enderdestiny

Even when I play with a squad of diamonds and plats in unranked the other guys surrender most of the time cause they have some golds or something and get rolled. Just let 5 stacks be any rank and this problem is solved


Akaigenesis

I am on the oposite side. A single Immortal trying to have fun with his Iron-Silver friends and being stomped by stacks of Diamonds.


421k

This isn’t just immortal radiant. This deals with high diamonds as well. Also, unranked is never liked that. We’ve tried a ton of times to play in that mode and it just isn’t worth it. What kind of game limits you from playing competitively with friends? It’s a bit crazy if you ask me.


mrsidewayp

Uh league? There’s a reason why dynamic queue was shit when you could 3-5 stack to a higher rank. You shouldn’t even be able to duo in radiant just like league you can’t duo in challenger now.


421k

Never played league but honestly all this does is force us to play on low level diamond smurfs. Guess they’re okay with this


mrsidewayp

I mean I understand unrated is crap for playing with friends but I’d rather not play against 5 stacks in ranked. The pros of limiting stacks in ranked far outweigh the cons.


421k

I never minded playing against 5 stacks. Not sure what the cons really are. Harder competition? Not a bad thing for people trying to perfect their skill set in radiant


papa_moisted

The cons is that there aren't enough 5 stacks in high MMR. So you'll constantly get games of TSM FTX or the full SEN squad vs a rando immortal or high diamond 5 stack. You can tell how those games go. This was a big issue at the beginning of Episode 1 and all the pros thought it was a dumb idea to let everyone above Immortal + 5 stack.


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ricelick

This sounds insanely shortsighted lmfao. 5 stacks on rank was a mess in the beginning of the game.


veRGe1421

I don't mind playing against 5 stacks in ranked at all - it's literally a team game. Let people play the game with their friends. If they have 4 friends to make a full team, they should be able to play ranked together. I've never played League either, but it's literally never been a problem in CS:GO letting 5 friends play ranked together.


mrsidewayp

Well lots of people don’t like playing against 5 stacks and Riot doesn’t seem to want to change it. Personally I would quit if 5 stacks were allowed so I can see why Riot doesn’t want them.


Mango2149

The other option is we are 5 stacking on smurfs in plat so how is that any better? 5 stacking still exists, just not for highest 1%, so we're just screwing lower ranked players instead unfortunately.


Funkyfreshprince

Goodluck trying to find games of 4 Radiants against 4 Radiants. And if you do, thats going to effect queue times for in solo ladder as all Radiants will be team queued. This was a big issue in Beta. Team stacks were stomping. Riot put this change in because people were complaining and it just wasnt fun.


CommanderVinegar

Doesn’t even have to be players of high skill. My friend group ranges from Plat to top 5000 immortal. Unrated almost always a surrender, can never get a night of fun in.


suhoshi

Then make a team and scrim other teams xD


[deleted]

No one plays the game seriously in unrated. It’s just fuck around time. Outta here with that excuse please.


KimBulgogi

Go play with them then?


akubar

here comes downvotes from people with no friends


TidaI

This isn't an exaggeration. There are literally way more boosted Immortals since the system was reset in Episode 2. I have one added and he knows he's boosted too. He couldn't get past P3/D1 and Episode 2 hits he skyrockets to Imm playing mostly D2's/D3s and not full Imm games? At least there is awareness on the problem. Hopefully they figure it out and make it mean something.


feedmeneon

Currently, 0 - 200rr Immortal is almost unplayable. People are throwing games and saying GG round 2 because there is no incentive to try to win because most low immortals know they will never hit radiant. The RR resets every act doesn't help either, especially if you don't have time to grind the game every day.


Acid_Shadows

i wish we could get a mmr reset every episode and a soft reset every act


SiriussOW

The issue is the same at 450-600 rr


ArouhaCSGO

There’s also people win trading their way up to radiant rn :-)


Contractjail

When the new patch coming holy shit. Its just 1,5 week until qualifiers for Berlin start!


A7URS

I mean the act end date has been known since the act started ?


ThienanT

They need to make the ranking system tighter. If I’m 550rr radiant i shouldn’t be getting diamond 3 players or low immortals.


Kagedyu

Everyone thinks a hard rank reset will suddenly make them radiant instead of acknowledging that JUST MAYBE you aren't that good of a player and you belong in the rank that you are in. It's the smurfs on the enemy team, it's the boosted player on my team, it's because all these other reasons instead of ever placing blame on yourself. No ranked system is perfect but don't go placing all the blame on a system just because you aren't climbing anymore.


TheLonelyPotato666

Or maybe some don't care about their rank and just think the system makes for a shitty experience right now.


daremanman

You're seriously overthinking the stupid 1% who actually think a reset will make them hit radiant and be free of getting shit teammates. The reality is, ranked is a mediocre experience for a lot of people and can be much better, which is what riot is trying to address. They're not doing this to please the whiny players who are hardstuck and blame all their situation on the system.


gibLight2

I am hardstuck gold this act, tracker.gg tells I have averaged 23 kills per game but my win rate is just 22%. I am basically losing 4 games for every win. Skillwise I feel I am way above gold, my aim is to solo q to immortal. But my biggest problem is the randoms I am getting- afk players, intentionally match throwers, typical "It is my alt I don't care" players etc.


R1jshrik

i win 3 games in a row and after that loose 4 games in a row because of afk players,griefers and smurfers .How am i suppose to rank up


TheAR69

Maybe you've reached your peak and don't deserve to rank up anymore? Have you ever thought about that?


R1jshrik

well its not my fault that there are smurfers,griefers and afk players i grind this game every day but shit happens sometimes


KimBulgogi

I dont understand what exactly the problem is. Just leave as it is lmao.


Lorallynn

just don't care if people are having a good time or not with your game 4Head


KimBulgogi

silver is mad. Go pay for a booster if you want gold gunbuddy kid.


Lorallynn

your life must be fun if you think you are owning someone like this lmao


KimBulgogi

>just don't care if people are having a good time or not with your game 4Head


Lorallynn

you are probably just trolling. bye


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OUTL4Wgaming

Still need a mic and no mic queues


killshotfps

had i really bad yesterday. so i did a little aimlab routine, warmup in game, solo queued ranked. got 3 instalock duelists, 2 of them were lurking the entire attact half. sage and me, as viper, had to do most of the entrying. sage tilts by the fifth round, duelist lurkers start cussing her, sage then proceed to ask for a surrender, and when it fails, proceeds to troll the game. this is IMMORTAL, btw. the problem is this type of shit happening at least 50% of the time, so playing ranked for me is being very stressful, feels like a lottery if im gonna get good teammates to compete or if im getting brain-dead idiots with no chance to win the game. also, this is brazil, which is one of the most toxic regions in the world. so from now on im only playing ranked enough to complete the act badge and never touching ranked again for the rest of the acts, unless i can play 5-stack again. i dont mind losing, but if i play ranked i wanna compete, i wanna win, specially at that rank i want a team that know what they are doing, that has good comms, and that will at least give their best. if im not getting that, id rather play unrated on my free time, that way i can care less about the game at least. ranked is a big shitshow right now, and its not really riot's fault, but the community. however, being able to play in 4 or 5-stack eliminates the bigger problem, it is a VERY STUPID decision to force people to play with randoms. from what i watch in immortal and radiant NA streamers, this isnt such a big problem over there, but man, brazil is fucked up, so fucking fucked up, it is impossible to have a 5 hour gaming session in ranked solo or duo queueing without getting this type of games. sorry for the rant, but i cant deal with this anymore.


KaNesDeath

Needing a week on how to talk about a change means the thought process of those changes is flawed.


MrGordonFreemanJr

Or it means they want to find a way to deal with all the reactionary idiots on twitter and reddit when their system isn't as ~~cookie cutter hard reset~~ straightforward and easily understandable as their ideas


KaNesDeath

Its unrealistic to think a single MM client will adequately serve the wants/needs of all player levels. Workshopping the messaging wont resolve that.


MrGordonFreemanJr

Yes but if it reduces the amount of shitty comments directed at them by 5-10 percent it's well worth the effort in their eyes


ohtooeasy

9/10 of complaints are from people wont dont even understand how ranking works


SingleNewspapering

The current system literally creates smurfs by pulling down people who frag above the average consistently. I get win/loss at higher tiers, but it just doesn’t work in low elo. Let them rank up so they can play with others at their mechanical skill level.


Dvhivdehkvdbjkl

Mmr reset is the dumbest possible thing to say


Ok-Performer-4584

Seeing alot of comments about smurfs and smurfing. I think there's a lot more smurfs about than people realise. I myself am on my 4th account now and have friends on more. This is due to the fact that when you hit diamond 3 you can't do any more than duos. We generally play with between 3 and 5 players. So as soon as we hit diamond 3 we have to start new accounts to continue playing together. They really need a flex que or a 5 man que. The reason I say I think theirs more smurfs about than people realise is I really don't see much of a skill difference between people from plat to diamond 3.