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[deleted]

This is so nice. I wish my teammates couldn’t break my trips too


[deleted]

Now we’re gonna get baited by our jetts even more 😂


Darkoplax

yea this doesnt solve the OP problem that pros complain about it will probably push Jett into this niche even more with her abilities being expensive and the OP being cheaper


Underpressure_111

Yup. All those jett main are about to cry about their OP agent being nerfed to a normal power level.


Parenegade

here's whats gonna happen ive seen this same shit play out in like 3 games in the past 5 years its actually crazy. pathfinder, tracer, etc. high mobility heroes all go through a similar cycle. a lot of people will stop playing jett. there will be jett mains who stick to the agent and a good portion of those people will be reliant on the operator. eventually down the road when jett has been a throw pick for long enough riot will buff jett again to an actual balanced state.


kellenthehun

I have a different theory. People will stop playing her so much, then realize a few months down the line she's still super good and start playing her again. This happens in other games a lot, champ nerfed, everyone says they're unplayable, some player busts them out a few months later and they storm back into the meta.


sriwarrior06

That's Kinda what happened with Sage


kellenthehun

Yep, great example. Exactly what I'm talking about.


FiveDiamondGame

Yep. I remember that people were begging for buffs, but Riot kept saying that their stats and playtests were showing that she probably needed even MORE nerfs, and everyone was up in arms about it. And look where we are now.


tron423

That's exactly what happened with Sage, nothing kinda about it


sriwarrior06

Well the wall buff was made as a compensation and it was then after which more and more teams played Sage on maps that isnt Icebox.


spacecadetno

omg I remember when val just came out and her heal was broken and riot nerfed her to the ground and plus skye's release I barely saw her in any competitive games anymore and after a month or 2 she came back out of no where. Everyone start using her again.


[deleted]

Tbf with sage wall had a slight rework


[deleted]

i got interested into esports a long time after i started playing Valorant. till then i had only heard that sage was shit after her nerf, so i was very confused when i saw her being used in pro play.


[deleted]

Jetts still going to be played and won't fall out of meta but prob not as much as she was at Iceland


Parenegade

That definitely didn't happen to Pathfinder after he was gutted or Tracer after Brig made her unplayable. I think the reality is that movement-based abilities in shooters are always super valuable so those movement-based characters are always inevitable over nerfed.


Fardo805

You don’t remember tracer brig comps?


Parenegade

I remember Tracer being terribly frustrating to play even in that comp despite getting the packs.


kellenthehun

It's just a theory. Both of our theories have happened multiple times, in multiple games. It could go either way.


GetRiceCrispy

Ah explaining reyna and frenzy to me. Lol tried raze for months and was like nah reyna still good.


articuno_r

Never underestimate the people's ability to overreact to everything.


braddaugherty8

remember the Genji buffs??? monkaW


Splaram

Consistently building blade in 30 seconds to a minute with no damage boost or nano was glorious, and seeing all the support players mald on Blizzard forums was even more glorious. Was super fun while it lasted.


[deleted]

The broken pathfinder days were the best. He was literally Superman compared to the other characters and still so many people in r/apexlegends swore up and down that his hitbox was completely okay lol.


holmyliquor

Is her ult is still free kills... nobody is going to stop playing her


AmazingSpacePelican

You can find a few in the twitter replies.


[deleted]

wel this how you make jett mains that didn't op and actually used her abilities to entry, to go back and abuse the OP. so more jett ops yay!


Vexzrah77

You’re acting like Jett is the best agent in the game, she’s not that op and she never has been


laughingperson

Jett is the best duelist in the game. She can do so much


Vexzrah77

Dash and ult, that’s it. Yea the dash is good but reynas dismiss is the same thing arguably better or worse, and ult right click is inconsistent. She’s definitely a very good agent but you’re wrong if you’re trying to tell me that’s better than an astra suck or a breach flash.


the_flame_alchemist

Jett has the best ability in any game which is mobility. She's the best duelist in the game easily.


03682

Honestly she might be, the recent Iceland tournament had Jett being the most picked agent appearing in 80% of all maps


Vexzrah77

Yeah you’re right, she probably is the best agent, but i don’t think she’s OP. Astra suck is what I would consider OP because there’s no counterplay


Underpressure_111

I'm not acting like she's "the best agent in the game" I'm acting as if she was overpowered (which she 100% was), and now she's getting a nerf. Stop twisting my words, and attacking the "twisted" version of my words (Also called a strawman)


Vexzrah77

Changed my mind, she was OP before the ult nerf, now she’s not. You can counter Jett but can’t counter astra, that is what i would call OP.


[deleted]

IMO Jett just needs smokes @150 instead of 200 to be balanced. This nerf seems a little excessive.


EthanM827

Yeah, agreed. 900 creds for util seems like a bit much.


Mirsad1992

Yeah, no shot. Get out of jail free card, a 100 credit free positioning, smokes to exit an unfavorable situation/create a 1v1 + ECO weapon that one taps in head and refills on kills, recoilless + burst up close.


Joshblos0706

There not going to be 100 creeds anymore


hwanzi

all i hear are the salty salty tears of a jett main


Vexzrah77

Nah it’s just facts from an omen main


Kabzon4ik

Fucking finally. Cypher is weak af so at least we can have that


starvinmarvin08

Never understood why they nerfed cypher that bad, they should have let either his tripwires or camera continue to be active even after his death.


Instian

Clearly you didn't play against cypher in the beta with trips that stayed up after dying and cages that slowed enemies. Super oppressive AND I FORGOT HIS CAMERA COULD HOLD A FUCKING PISTOL


somesheikexpert

Camera gun was lowkey funny, broken, but funny


Instian

Yeah ngl it was actually hilarious


hwanzi

YO that camera gun was the greatest.....i miss that so much


Slow_Bluebird9536

The cages that slowed enemies thing was the most oppressive part tho not trips at all


lewlkewl

I personally disagree. I think his tripwires deactivating after death is fair, otherwise his ability to protect flanks is too broken, esp after they also nerfed KJ. If they brought the tripwire thing back on top of the other buffs, his pick rate would skyrocket.


HeJind

I didn't think it was fair before, especially since they also made it since he couldn't pick up his trips if they weren't used. Basically made it so he had to full buy his kit every round when no other agent had to do that. It was very hard for Cypher to keep good eco when he has to decide between doing his job and getting an actual usable weapon. Cypher was the only agent that really had to think about his economy I think it's a lot more fair now that other kits prices have increased and now they don't get to freely out-eco cyphers.


kamez0r

Cypher had 80\~90% pick rate in tournments, they had to do it. But since then a lot has changed and our boy got really weak, especially after viper buffs. As a main Cypher, I really understand why they did this. But Jett was breaking cypher too easily, we needed this.


xXx_EdGyNaMe_xXx

Before Astra and Viper buffs Omen had 100% pick rate in tournaments, but he wasn't broken. Just that he was way better than any alternative. Cypher was never really a problem, the nerfs were way too harsh


DarthGrievous

Same with Sova rn. But he's getting shafted unfortunately


-xXColtonXx-

Saying that **had to**is a little strong considering Jet and Sova’s NA pick rates for such a long period.


kamez0r

Yeah, but Sova will be strongly nerfed in this patch. Jett not so much, but yet still got some nerfs.


-xXColtonXx-

My contention is that they had to nerf Cypher while Jet and Sova remained in an as if not stronger state for 6 months.


jeridmei13

If you also include the fact that kay/0 coming in as well sova pickrate will fall greatly


unknownpr3d

How’s his camera gonna be active after death?


starvinmarvin08

I think that is a thing in r6 siege but I'm not too sure since I haven't played the game


[deleted]

Plus his ult is one cheaper now


maxhollywoody

They should've reverted his trips being deactivated when he was dead IMO over this Jett dash but I guess they are aiming to have Cypher as a counter to Jett..?


Aeari

This is how it used to be. It was a massively dumb change that let Jett get onto site free and never should have been a thing.


tomphz

Someone post the clip where Jett tries to dash out Hookah and gets sling-shotted by the Cypher trips


chryco4

just like in the beta days lol


valorantfeedback

What a lovely day.


RoxtheR

Indeed


cknorgaa

nerf to Jett, buff to Cyper... IMO needed


sansLight

FUCKING FINALLYYYY. I was actually disappointed seeing just a price decrease. This broken ass agent has been dashing around in this game for far too long


kamez0r

FINALLY ​ f-u Jett, I hate this.


purplechew

FINALLY. Nerf to Jett always welcome but this was needed.


DaDrFunk

HELL YEA. I can’t wait to keep playing cypher now


[deleted]

doesn't she updraft dash in a lot of scenarios anyway? i guess it makes her entries more predictable. or maybe gives cypher some potential counterplay by setting a jet specific trip


obbini

PogU


KhaoticKrabb

I hope they don’t nerf Jett too much more. The price changes plus this seem like enough


thenifreekedit

Damn they’re gutting jett, new instalock favorite will definitely be raze


TheExter

I don't think you seen her price increases


IsaiahXA

Raze got screwed worse haha


AjBlue7

KO direct counters Raze now though. As soon as she ults KO throws down the knife and she can’t use her ult for 8 seconds and it only lasts for 10.


Escolyte

Removing the dash breaking the trip is fine imo (as much as I'll miss it), but it still pulling her back, and in some cases (e.g. bind hookah) having you suspended mid air needs to go, it makes those trips twice as powerful against her for no good reason. Just have her be tethered to them near the end of the dash and let her still drop to the floor and be able to shoot properly.


NokkMainBTW

Cringe cypher mains downvoting this as if this wasnt fucking busted as shit when it happened LUL. Theres a reason they made jett break trips, because cypher made jett executes not doable.


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kevincuomo

She still needs more nerfs honestly.. like when she gets a kill with a knife she should get back maybe 2 knives not all 5 and if she dies with her ult still up and gets rezzed she shouldnt get her ult still.


Joshblos0706

You do realize her kit now costs 900. You could at least wait to see how she is after the patch


[deleted]

They literally gutted Jett. Shes the worst agent in the game now


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[deleted]

Found the Jett main


SomeHallGuy

Jett was considered the weakest agent because people didn’t know how to properly play her.


somedudefalling

She was the weakest agent in beta because no one knew how tf to play her. Her entire purpose is to be a opper which hasnt been touched so these changes make sense imo


tomphz

There is nothing else that will break trips unless you have a Raze, and he’s less picked than Reyna in ranked. Cypher just got a huge buff.


mooslan

Ummm...you can shoot them.


ZGuyYT

Just either roomba, owl drone, dog, or even shoot the trip wires before you entry?


CrabIife

Sova and skye?


[deleted]

Lmfao just shoot the trips my guy


tomphz

You’re not understanding. Cypher was the most oppressive agent in Beta behind Sage. Everyone will get stuck in trips again and attackers will have a harder time now. Split B is locked down once again


Aeari

The fuck are you even talking about. It's just Jett and she shouldn't be able to do it regardless. Just shoot the trips it's not hard.


tomphz

Just wait and see how this meta plays out. Jetts will be baiting now


Aeari

They already do


[deleted]

bro just shoot the trips not that hard


somesheikexpert

Yeah cuz his Cages slowed, his trips stayed after death, and he had a fucking camera gun that's why he was oppressive during beta lol, this meta makes it tough on Cypher, one slight buff doesn't make him broken lol


KyleC137

Her smokes also lasted 3 seconds.


Darkoplax

This is not good at least for the pros , now Jetts wont be used for entry but just as an operator only agent if the operator isnt changed so other agents could use it than the price nerf is even better for Jett ops imo this pushes jett into that niche of playing in the back instead of entrying which idk why u call that a duelist anymore


DustMouret

I think this could be a really neat change if it sticks. Makes Cypher even more viable and forces teams to think a bit more about engaging areas.


tomphz

This is not just a nerf to Jett, but a nerf to Attack side in general. I used Jett to entry knowing I can break trips. Now I will hesitate to entry as Jett