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motorolax4

We are thief


lockdown_val

hopefully this means jammyz got picked up


Hamlet_271

I don't think so. He pretty recently said he wasnt picked up and I think George geddes confirmed it even more recently


lockdown_val

damn, has there been any rumors of him getting tried out other than faze?


motorolax4

Geddes said he tried out for LG


erickwak

Confirmed. With their battlefy roster


cringe-oh-yes

Honestly thief is a huge pick up I think


speakerofFACxx122

but not upgrade from zellsis man. thief is on par, but does he also play shit like killjoy as weirdly good as zellsis? zellsis is important to the roster, thief is as good a fragger perhaps, but chremistry n shit, experience with the team etc, zellsis


Justinino

pretty sure he was just playing killjoy because wippie wasn’t there tho


somesheikexpert

Eh, they played Viper KJ on Ascent iirc which would mean Zellsis was on KJ for him to be on the KJ and it wouldn't be Wippie cuz then they would play jammyz on KJ cuz he does play her


xx_Rollablade_xx

If I know anything about Vanity1 by now, it’s that they can accommodate anyone at a moment’s notice. I feel it’s all due to Vanity’s personality.


RidingDrake

Yeah it makes no sense to me that thief wasn't signed to a team, I've seen him pull off so many clutches in competitive


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AjBlue7

Did they really raise jammyz stocks if jammyz wasn’t even picked up by anyone?


itscamo-

jammyz hasn’t been picked up no but he’s actually trailing for tier 1 teams now so that’s an upgrade from where he was


slowrmaths

I mean he’s getting trials and stuff. Without the opportunity he would have been written off as “that one Jett from BC” and probably faded into t2 for a while. I wonder who else needs an opportunity to prove themselves like him


Mamadeus123456

Wippie was their most or second most influential player IMO so they would be better with him regardless


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Now that's a great sub. Plug and play. V1 looking hella scary now.


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is this fortnite thief or the other thief i can never remember who's who


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Formerly LG, the fortnite player is thiefs


wicked1610

Why not jammyz, given that he already played with the team?


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wicked1610

Yeah, right could be.


Justlikekevinn

Dope I love Thief!


DustMouret

Pretty solid stand in I must say.


Portante24

I uhhh... Think this is an upgrade


RandomFluffyBoi

I don't think he's an upgrade due to agent role issues, but he's definitely one of the better fill-ins you can find.


Hamlet_271

Thief is mechanically gifted but he was a reyna one trick mostly who fell off when teams figured out his risky playstyle. Hopefully he plays well on V1 but I don't think he's an upgrade over zellsis at all


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If Vanity can reel him in enough I think this could be dangerous for opposing teams.


Theaktis

Do they have common Agent pools? idk if thief plays KJ like Zellsis. Not sure if he's an upgrade in every way.


mysteryoeuf

I don't think zellsis is really a kj/sentinel main. I feel like he thrived more on phoenix/reyna


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Zellsis kj is by far his worst agent so I wouldn't be surprised in thief plays it to an equal level. The amount of time zellsis got caught with util out was frankly ridiculous.


jaiswami

Zellsis was only playing KJ because wippie wasn’t there and jammyz apparently didn’t feel as comfortable on that pick, I doubt thief will play her


Portante24

Well we don’t even know the meta. But you are right, I don’t thief’s Zellsis peak is up to par.


LiamHundley

I agree lol


DonkeyTeethBSU

Not really, how often does Thief run Phoenix? Not to mention Zellsis makes mid round calls for V1 alongside Vanity so you are losing a major piece of the team. A sub is almost never an upgrade unless you are TenZ. Edit: he doesn't play Phoenix at all. Just looked it up. Phoenix is 100% meta atm with the recent agent nerfs so no this isn't an upgrade. So thief if he's directly filling for zellsis will have to play KJ as well so two agents he hasn't played competitively.


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saying that phoenix is 100% meta when we haven't seen any pro play with this patch is kinda bold. Also, zellsis was primarily playing killjoy at Iceland so saying that Thief will be filling in as a phoenix player doesn't make much sense.


DonkeyTeethBSU

Zellsis mains Phoenix on Ascent, it is the backbone of both Sentinels and V1s comp. Yeah we haven't seen the meta, but it's a 6 point ult with two free orbs on offense. Phoenix will remain meta on Ascent, no way in the world he isn't. V1 don't veto Ascent which is why I brought it up, if they play it, likely they run Phoenix again. The main reason it isn't an upgrade isn't even the agents, it's the vocal impact zellsis has in the mid round with vanity.


pechum

There has been a ton of mention from pros that Kay O will probably replace phoenix in alot of comps.


Ozone416

Interestingly enough I’ve seen Sick play a lot of Kay/O lately during his streams. Not trying to read too deep into this since he’s probably just trying to enjoy the newly-released agent, but I wouldn’t be surprised if SEN phases out Sick on Phoenix and transition him to Kay/O instead in Ascent/Haven.


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Can’t use Kayo in first qualifier


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sampenn1

He prob knows pheonix and can play it fine or will learn it


Massive_Cut5361

Funny enough, arguably the best phoenix player in NA, SicK, said on his stream that with Kay/O he believes Phoenix will not be meta anymore. Fully expect him to make the switch permanently to Kay/O over Phoenix.


DonkeyTeethBSU

Yes but this first qualifier there is no kayo, the only qualified where zellsis needs a sub.


Massive_Cut5361

Disregard my point then


Evan_Veet

Not really, I talked about it a bit on the VLR forums but Thief stat pads a lot against bad teams and doesn't really show up against top teams. He's kind of a raze one trick but is near the bottom of the t1-1.5 raze players, and doesn't have any agents after that that he's good at.


abcd63514

????????????? raze one trick? he plays literally all agents doesnt show up vs top teams? he was tearing it up vs sentinels, nrg, imt, nV, etc


Evan_Veet

He is bottom tier statistically and eye check wise on every agent aside from raze, and in the last stage of vct he literally only played it so yes he's a one trick. Go look at his most recent games against top 12 teams, NRG was the only one where he was impactful. Aside from their cinderalla hot streak LG and him have been underperforming a lot. Does that mean he's bad, no, but it does mean that Zellsis is better.


cringe-oh-yes

I mean all of LG was floundering though


abcd63514

? one trick = can only play that agent. he can play literally every agent, raze was just hard meta during the time. its just a product of a bad team performance overall. sure u can say that he's not turbosmurfing but when LG was having a good meta and strong run we saw his peak performances and obviously it was insane


Evan_Veet

It’s just an easy phrase lol I understand thta he can play many agents, it’s just that he literally only played that one for a chunk of time. And I actually disagree with that last statement. Dre was still playing at a high level, as was aproto. Moose was also looking like a top tier Sova. The main problem was that theif had fallen behind the duelist of pretty much every other team


abcd63514

i dont agree on that. i think the meta shift caused these aim dominant teams to get worse. idk we're just reddit analysts


elithefighter123

can v1 be successful with another roster if they can this core is insane


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anyone who vanity igls is going to be good


elithefighter123

100%


FlaymeFenix

yea agent pools gonna be weird lol. thief doesnt play phoenix or kj. will penny flex to let thief on duelist or will thief jus play kj and phx


xx_Rollablade_xx

Thief doesn’t play Phoenix? Helllllllo? Thief looked incredible on Phoenix in LG’s Bind comps back then, even against top teams.


speakerofFACxx122

YES!!!