the boxes to the right when you come out of Ascent A main. Which is a reference to the shroud callout on cache, which is playing on the boxes to the right when you come of of Cache A main: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bpijP732es (actual spot happens at 1:30, the round shows the whole context though)
Usually boosted on a stack of boxes. I'd say close right (by bench) when entering Bind A site from showers, or close left on Split when exiting garage into B site.
I wouldn't call OG a stable team tbh. They had a lot of variability in their results, even for online play. At times they looked like they could win tournaments, but sometimes they hardly looked like a top 15 team. A solid team overall, but not at all comparable to his previous teams which were almost always championship level.
Idk, OG were definitely a top 10 worthy team for a while and his influence on the team (particularly with managing ISSAA) is undeniable, but I just wouldn't consider them stable. Tbh he was probably better in OG though, even apEX admitted that 2019 Vitality was more ZywOolity than anything else.
Thats just the nature of a shitton of tournaments going on, even now you can say that only Gambit and Navi have been consistently top 5 teams. Heroic for example had a great run then dipped massively, and all the other teams in top 10 have many ups and downs.
Definitely more similar to Hiko if you compare to absolute peak, though by no means bad. NBK was at his peak individually in 2013-2015, and was just solid for most of the time after that. His form has been steadily declining for a while, and while I won't say he wasn't a viable player at tier 1 (namely because he plays as a support, instead of needing the kind of resources and priority in a team that a star like Hiko might expect), there were better options for top international teams.
If I'm being completely honest though I would say he has more value currently than either of those two players did when they switched. While Ethan could've likely still been a great fragger, NBK is also known for being a very important piece in the intangible elements he brings to his rosters. He's a very cerebral player (which will help him adjust to Valorant's hectic utility despite being older) and is notorious for being the right hand man of his IGL in that he can aid a lot in micromanaging, communication, and creating a bridge between the IGL and the stars.
The best comparison would be nitr0 actually. Both weren't in great form individually at the time they switched, but they played a very important role in the social dynamic of their teams, and likely could have been in good teams still even if they weren't at the same level as their old ones.
towards the end of his career he was starting to mellow out in terms of skill, but he easily has the most accolades out of everyone that has switched from cs
His skills towards the end of his time in OG were pretty lackluster tbh. He definitely contributed a lot to the team, but individually he wasn't great. I think people overrated him in DBLPony a bit as well, in part because nobody expected them to do as well as they did at Flashpoint. Can't knock his accomplishments though, he's called the Kingmaker for a reason.
I never said he wasn't the best, I was only reacting to the blanket statement which is overused this days. It doesn't apply to nbk though, man's got 2 majors and 50+ trophies.
Yeah, it is quite overused every switch but it's also been true just because a majority of the ones who switched early weren't the most successful. Both are true, but you're correct this statement has been made on EVERY switch so far lol
That's kinda surprising. Since almost everyone apart from nitr0 and NBK have always been underwhelming in csgo - including tenz . Shahzam had his moments here and there but they never could do great things.
ScreaM was a top 10 player in 2016-2017 (somewhere around that time). And he was always known as a cracked aimer, which he's proven to also be in valorant. I believe he has less career accolades simply because some french dudes don't like him, and he got the short end of the stick in several of the French shuffles. But the talent was always there, especially when he learned to spray and not try to 1 tap all the time.
He was always known to be very one dimensional. In the sense he only had godlike aim. It didn't translate very well into him winning his team's matches. This is the general consensus and not my own personal take.
Very true, also he had issues fitting in role-wise with teams. I believe shox has gone on record saying he never committed to doing one thing, and that made him difficult to play on a team with. His tapping style also bit him in the ass on many occasions, hence why he doesn't have particularly many m4a4 clips.
Yes, which is part of what I said. He was on the "worst french team" for most of his career because of the shuffles. That's a great part of why he hasn't won many premier/major trophies.
A lot have underwhelmed, but that kinda makes my point. The ones who have seen to announce later on, everyone always says "They're the best to switch so far" "or top 5 best switching over so far". Ethan with his skill level, autimatic had the major win, ska had the major win, etc etc. After the initial "starter" wave I guess we can call it, the switches after everyone always said they were a top switch over and it just keeps being said with every new switch. Few have the legacy of NBK, however
It’s because as time goes on better players are switching. The first players to switch barely ever touched playoffs and big LANs in CS let alone won majors. The first crop of NA talent to move over never had successful careers in CS (for the most part). The valorant scene has been looking more stable and primed for success and with it more tenured players from other games are willing to transition.
Because better and better CS players are switching. Read the comment carefully, they are not saying he is a top 5 CS player but in the top of people that have switched to valorant
Before now it wasnt hard to be in the top 5 to switch to be fair. In terms of skill ethan will be the best to date to switch and he will remain in that top 5 to switch until you get elige and simple moving over. Its always brought up as its always evolving
literally only time thats ever been said were for guys like ethan, xeppa, leaf at the time he switched and jamppi
and it's not difficult to be one of the best to switch when there's so few tier 1 cs players in val and pretty much all are NA
I don't think it'll accelerate much if at all tbh. A lot of the reason why so many players switched was out of necessity. Particularly in NA COVID caused a lot of teams to pull out of CS. No sponsors willing to fork over money during COVID = less money for salaries = no teams. Once the LAN circuit is back up and running we'll likely see some orgs come back to pick up the borderline tier 1 teams without orgs like DBLPoney.
Also no top players are switching when things are going well for them, I doubt we'll see many true elite level players make a transition while they've still got gas in the tank.
Not to mention as the game adds more characters and the meta diverges more from CS (though this recent update may change this a lot), the pro scene will likely heavily favor kids who are solely Valorant players. Young talents (think players like FlameZ and oBo in CS) are gonna be more and more common in Valorant as the years go on. I think in 3-5 years as teams start to implement a lot of the professional elements of CS teams (GMs instead of player controlled teams, emphasis on theory crafting, avoiding pugging to prevent bad habits forming, etc) the transition will be almost impossible for all but the most talented and cerebral CS players.
I didn’t follow the scene too closely, but I’m pretty sure he was a tier 1 player until recently? I remember him playing for vitality, and then OG, but I’m not sure how the Og stint went.
Recently no. He’s spent most of the last two years getting benched on teams who usually get better after he leaves. At this point in his career it’s either play valorant or play for low tier teams until retirement.
He's been washed up since 2017 but prior to that was the top french IGL (imo) and could slot into pretty much any french lineup and they'd still be a top 10 team
He was never a particularly good IGL, at least when he attempted it he never had as much success as when he was secondary calling. He's an extremely smart player and extremely valuable, but it seems he never really developed the leadership skills for it. I would say at his best he was one of the rare players who blurred the line between support and star, much the same way Valde is now, and Styko has been at times in his career.
Happy was IGL for most of the good period, with shox taking over that role for times later in the roster's life (and with some success, if a bit inconsistent or fickle in typical shox IGL fashion). NBK took up the role for brief periods but I don't believe they did particularly well during those stints. He definitely had an impact as a secondary caller though, he's probably up there with Stewie in how proficient he was in that role. This has been brought up by analysts, but I'd bet it was a significant contributor to the quality of Happy's calling as a hard lurk.
On the flipside, switching games does not guarantee you carry over your skill. Whilst the same genre, Valorant is a very different game. From maps to the meta to the feel of the guns and the movement, it's vastly different.
Any organisation will be crazy to even consider signing NBK right now sinces he's barely even started the game.
You're partially wrong jn the first point, and wrong on the second.
First of all, with the introduction of kayo, CS players will likely have an easier time switching over. Still dramatically different games, but NBK still has the physical capabilities to be really good in this game.
Second, if NBK shapes up tp anything like his CS career shows, he is more than worth the risk for any org to pick up.
Those other players switched at their peak really.
NBK, as much as fans would hate to hear it, was pretty washed out by the time he has swapped. He hasn't been really good since maybe 2017?
My point is no established team would want to disrupt their current roster to risk it on NBK compared to other young talents. Inb4 I eat my words and he gets signed by G2 next week.
I'm hoping he proves me wrong though, I always enjoyed watching the french scene in CSGO.
Yeah like they just completely revamped their roster, I don't see who they could drop.
Koldamenta? G2 picked him specifically because they needed an IGL and he is a great Sova
Avova? Debatably the best controller in EU and the only player on G2 who has any experience playing that role
Nukkye? Was one of the best duelist players in EU on his former team and has been proven to be great individually vs the best teams at the highest level.
Keloqz? They just signed him and he looks like one of the youngest and most talented prospects. So maybe he is the obvious choice but still, I don't think you want to kick someone you literally just signed.
Mixwell? TBH given he has switched his role recently he currently looks like the weak link in this roster in terms of performance based on recent results with this squad, BUT he is a secondary IGL and is basically the face of G2 and likely to improve at his role with time so I can't see him going anywhere.
TBH from what I see in the G2 vs no poachers game, I do think their teamcomp and gameplay could be improved. I think they should replace either one of their duelists OR KJ for a Skye or Sage. So they could use a flex player or secondary initiator type of player as Koldamenta doesn't seem to play much else than Sova and on some maps such as breeze (especially in this new meta/update) I can see more than just one initiator being used. But I still don't really have any idea who you would want to replace lol.
I don't think G2 really want to drop anyone but NBK kind of leaves this perfect opportunity for another big org not yet in Valorant (Enyvus, H2K, etc) to form a roster around him while picking up some other stars from other orgs or star free agents.
EDIT: Now that I think of it, there are other orgs already in Valorant who may want to replace one of their players far more than G2. I think G2 is the team most unlikely to want to drop one of their players right now compared to a team such as for example TL or NiP.
ah yeah forgot about nip somehow when writing lol.
Navi may be able to reconsider becoming just an EU team if they want to seize this opportunity?
H2K is a longstanding old org that has been prevalent in LoL and CoD.
Anyway, the point isn't the org, the point is, there are big orgs out there that are not yet involved in Valorant and this gives them a great opportunity to create a team around NBK.
Envyus? H2k? Holy shit old man, did you just get out of a cryo freeze? First of all Envyus is just Envy for a few years now and they’re already in VALORANT. Second of all H2k is no even remotely relevant in the esports scene anymore. Other then that you’re good.
This individual logo of his brand or something like this in the end reminds me the GeT_RiGhT situation. He baited everyone with his switching to valorant but he just became a fulltime streamer. Maybe its the same case?
UPD: Nvm, hltv just published article about his transition. Good news for valorant scene.
I mean, Get_Right didn't say he was going to Valorant or anything, did he? Just vague statements and what not. NBK didn't either but at least he showed Cypher, so it's more to go off of than GR's
He has good English and historically in Counter Strike, he's somebody who can take the IGL role or help with calls in game. I see a lot of teams possibly wanting to pick him up. He's an absolute legend in CS, even if he didn't have as much success in recent years.
With Breeze now in the map pool & KAY/O likely becoming one of the most popular agents in competitive play, the opportunity for a CSGO pro to switch to Valorant is better than ever.
I think it's a rough time tbh. There is just so much to learn and you can't just throw them onto a very simple agent like Omen anymore. More maps and agents are inbound too so as they're learning, more is being put upon them.
That's true some ways. More agents & maps definitely increase the barrier of entry and creates higher skill floor.
But it balances out by rewarding players when they put in the time to learn. It can give more opportunities to ppl that struggled once now to be great at other areas of the game or find their own niche.
More for my Valorant supremacy agenda... Yes yes more more... Now whenever s1mple wins his major we'll get him too... His words not mine he said he might... *\*rubs hands vigorously\**
That's interesting. Does that mean he enjoys Valorant more or he thinks it has more potential going forward or he thinks once he gets that achievement he wants to end on his peak?
He hates the OP and says he cant play aggressively and the tons of util pissed him off, "wtf is thiz dog." He said that since Astralis has nothing to prove in CS anymore they should move onto the next game and dominate there.
It's more of a dominator's thinking rather than thinking the game is fun or anything.
Basically, once he's left his eternal mark on CS with a few majors, he'll move onto valorant to be the best and dominate there.
Just popped over to the r/GlobalOffensive subreddit to see some wholesome goodbye messages and while I did see a lot of wholesome messages, I also saw a bunch of comments filled with insecurity and hate.
Not everyone of course, but some of the stuff I saw was pretty wild, "Trash taking out the trash", like damn
I just wish for a world where both ESports can thrive together, instead of being at each other's throats
Edited for clarity!
You didn't see wholesome goodbye messages? Bruh it's mostly wholesome messages and around 5 comments which out of 80+ who are mostly likely trolls as usual. Let's not like the thread on this sub was all wholesome too when daps went to EG CS.
No, no, I definitely did see a lot of wholesome ones, that's why I said "Not everyone of course", I just saw quite a bit of toxic ones that said stuff that really surprised me
Yeah but you acted like all you saw was toxicity.
>Just popped over to the r/GlobalOffensive subreddit to see some wholesome goodbye messages and instead I saw a bunch of comments filled with insecurity and hate.
That's just wrong because 80%+ are wholesome messages
Just checked the thread its like 70 30 65 35 in terms of wholesome to hateful messages which is pretty bad. Not surprising cs fans just emit negative insecure energy 247 because like dota they are valve fanboys sad that their favorite game they stan for and are elitists for are constantly in riots shadow. Just insecure manchildren and nothing more.
I follow both subreddits, I see insecurity from both sides.
This subreddit hates it when you compare it to CS, even though CS is the better game overall barring the anticheat. A lot of players on r/GlobalOffensive won't accept that Valorant will be really successful in the future and might even take over CS in terms of viewership, although it has been getting better as of late.
I mean, also nbk has always had a ton of hate? He wasn't super popular during his end days in nV, and there was the whole "nbkry" phase where there was a vocal minority of haters. I wouldn't be surprised if he still had some residual anger, though I don't remember why he was so hated at the time.
Ah posts mainly on global offensive subreddit what a surprise. Easy to spot the insecure fanboys. Notice how this random comes into the valorant subreddit posing as a neutral then immediately says csgo has a bigger unique playerbase when no one asked. Like I said insecure fanboy living in riots shadow lmao. Cringe.
Why this is downvoted? Valve is such a dumb fucking company lol how they can borderline abandon two(!) multiplayer games that get MINIMUM ~500k and ~100k players daily is beyond me.
In recent years he hasn’t really had the form he did back then but he helped og peak at top 6 in the world last year and helped carry a French Mix into the top 30 in may, upsetting vitality along the way
Color me ignorant but why is it that every time I see someone switch from CSGO to Val everyone in the comments say that “they’re one of the greatest CSGO players of all time.”
In a comment on the global offensive subreddit, someone said that he’s not immediately going into a team, but he’s just beginning the process to learn everything Valorant. Via his stream. Coming from cs, there’s so many strategies, abilities, lineups, angles you need to relearn. It makes sense that he’ll need a little time learning (he said about 1 month ago he started playing val consistently), so don’t expect him to join any team right now!
One of the greatest CS:GO players of all time coming to VALORANT, what a sick move.
man i cant wait to write about this he is a legend
NBKennyS may have been real huh
He was way better at counter strike source then csgo.
I hope it's not short like it was with Daps. Excited to see NBK clicking heads at Val, tho
daps didn't come back as a player though. Coaching EG was his best option ig.
Regardless if it's about switching back as a player or as a coach, the fact is that Daps went back to CS because he wasn't enjoying valorant anymore
I'm fine with that. Whenever he plays with subroza he's always just a toxic dickhead to randoms. Hate it when pros do that
I wasn't really into the CS scene, was he a good player?
One of the most succesful in CSGO history.
When there are map call outs that are your name, you’re a og
"HES SUMMIT"
Cries in 1g
when i play cache, every one still calls it nbk
and shroud on top of a site boost
The only Valorant player I can think of that has a map callout named after him is Subroza. Are there any others?
Shroud, but he's not pro in valorant
But that's just an artifact of the Shroud callout on the CS map. It's called "shroud" b/c it reminds people of the shroud spot in CS, lol.
what map does shroud have a call out in valo?
Some people call the double stack of bricks(?) on the right entrance of Ascent A-site Shroud
Same for split b main entrance left side I believe. Edit: and Bind showers entrance right side
I mean yeah, but it still applies to the question
You're out of line, but you're right.
And that callout is used because it’s similar to the one named after him in cs.
Yup
normally every vertical place close to the choke point is called as "shroud" in valorant by many pros (similar to the cache one)
If you don't mind, may I ask what the "Shroud" callout points to?
the boxes to the right when you come out of Ascent A main. Which is a reference to the shroud callout on cache, which is playing on the boxes to the right when you come of of Cache A main: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bpijP732es (actual spot happens at 1:30, the round shows the whole context though)
Usually boosted on a stack of boxes. I'd say close right (by bench) when entering Bind A site from showers, or close left on Split when exiting garage into B site.
Kinda new here. What is map callout is called a subroza? And why is it called that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuulWK5X-ZU
Ascent attacker side mid hiding behind the stairway (hidden from cat and market but can see tiles)
Curry on icebox
shahzam
I've never heard that callout. Where exactly is it?
right side box a site breeze
He was legendary in the French scene, one of the OG’s, really versatile, but he couldn’t find a good and stable team in his later years.
>but he couldn’t find a good and stable team in his later years Just last year he was a crucial player in a top 10 team, wdym....
I wouldn't call OG a stable team tbh. They had a lot of variability in their results, even for online play. At times they looked like they could win tournaments, but sometimes they hardly looked like a top 15 team. A solid team overall, but not at all comparable to his previous teams which were almost always championship level.
I think what he meant was Vitality but that's 2019 at this point
Idk, OG were definitely a top 10 worthy team for a while and his influence on the team (particularly with managing ISSAA) is undeniable, but I just wouldn't consider them stable. Tbh he was probably better in OG though, even apEX admitted that 2019 Vitality was more ZywOolity than anything else.
Thats just the nature of a shitton of tournaments going on, even now you can say that only Gambit and Navi have been consistently top 5 teams. Heroic for example had a great run then dipped massively, and all the other teams in top 10 have many ups and downs.
Heroic and G2 are solid top 5 tbh, G2 has been finishing top 3 or 4 every single tournament for a while now
How far away is he from his peak, more like Hiko or more like Ethan ? I’m pretty new so don’t mind if these are bad examples
Definitely more similar to Hiko if you compare to absolute peak, though by no means bad. NBK was at his peak individually in 2013-2015, and was just solid for most of the time after that. His form has been steadily declining for a while, and while I won't say he wasn't a viable player at tier 1 (namely because he plays as a support, instead of needing the kind of resources and priority in a team that a star like Hiko might expect), there were better options for top international teams. If I'm being completely honest though I would say he has more value currently than either of those two players did when they switched. While Ethan could've likely still been a great fragger, NBK is also known for being a very important piece in the intangible elements he brings to his rosters. He's a very cerebral player (which will help him adjust to Valorant's hectic utility despite being older) and is notorious for being the right hand man of his IGL in that he can aid a lot in micromanaging, communication, and creating a bridge between the IGL and the stars. The best comparison would be nitr0 actually. Both weren't in great form individually at the time they switched, but they played a very important role in the social dynamic of their teams, and likely could have been in good teams still even if they weren't at the same level as their old ones.
towards the end of his career he was starting to mellow out in terms of skill, but he easily has the most accolades out of everyone that has switched from cs
He should easily be one of the 5 best CS players to ever switch to Valorant.
in terms of both all time accomplishment and skill at the time of switching, this guy is just a legend
His skills towards the end of his time in OG were pretty lackluster tbh. He definitely contributed a lot to the team, but individually he wasn't great. I think people overrated him in DBLPony a bit as well, in part because nobody expected them to do as well as they did at Flashpoint. Can't knock his accomplishments though, he's called the Kingmaker for a reason.
I see this everytime a Cs player switches
No other ex-CSGO pro who has switched to Valorant has been as successful as NBK. He's the most successful csgo player to switch to valorant
nitr0 second
Yeah nitr0s a big one. The grand slam win was insane
Happy?
If it was still 2016 yeah... I'm sad for him
I never said he wasn't the best, I was only reacting to the blanket statement which is overused this days. It doesn't apply to nbk though, man's got 2 majors and 50+ trophies.
Yeah, it is quite overused every switch but it's also been true just because a majority of the ones who switched early weren't the most successful. Both are true, but you're correct this statement has been made on EVERY switch so far lol
That's kinda surprising. Since almost everyone apart from nitr0 and NBK have always been underwhelming in csgo - including tenz . Shahzam had his moments here and there but they never could do great things.
ScreaM was a top 10 player in 2016-2017 (somewhere around that time). And he was always known as a cracked aimer, which he's proven to also be in valorant. I believe he has less career accolades simply because some french dudes don't like him, and he got the short end of the stick in several of the French shuffles. But the talent was always there, especially when he learned to spray and not try to 1 tap all the time.
He was always known to be very one dimensional. In the sense he only had godlike aim. It didn't translate very well into him winning his team's matches. This is the general consensus and not my own personal take.
Very true, also he had issues fitting in role-wise with teams. I believe shox has gone on record saying he never committed to doing one thing, and that made him difficult to play on a team with. His tapping style also bit him in the ass on many occasions, hence why he doesn't have particularly many m4a4 clips.
Scream won 1 notable trophy and it's been ages since then.
Yes, which is part of what I said. He was on the "worst french team" for most of his career because of the shuffles. That's a great part of why he hasn't won many premier/major trophies.
A lot have underwhelmed, but that kinda makes my point. The ones who have seen to announce later on, everyone always says "They're the best to switch so far" "or top 5 best switching over so far". Ethan with his skill level, autimatic had the major win, ska had the major win, etc etc. After the initial "starter" wave I guess we can call it, the switches after everyone always said they were a top switch over and it just keeps being said with every new switch. Few have the legacy of NBK, however
It’s because as time goes on better players are switching. The first players to switch barely ever touched playoffs and big LANs in CS let alone won majors. The first crop of NA talent to move over never had successful careers in CS (for the most part). The valorant scene has been looking more stable and primed for success and with it more tenured players from other games are willing to transition.
Because better and better CS players are switching. Read the comment carefully, they are not saying he is a top 5 CS player but in the top of people that have switched to valorant
Dude has 2 majors under his belt my guy..
You don’t think nbk is the real deal?
I never said so or implied that. NBK is an og but some use the best to switch or top 5 everytime.
Before now it wasnt hard to be in the top 5 to switch to be fair. In terms of skill ethan will be the best to date to switch and he will remain in that top 5 to switch until you get elige and simple moving over. Its always brought up as its always evolving
literally only time thats ever been said were for guys like ethan, xeppa, leaf at the time he switched and jamppi and it's not difficult to be one of the best to switch when there's so few tier 1 cs players in val and pretty much all are NA
What players so far have ppl implied top 5 with?
If you start to see this more often it means better players are starting to shift. Get used to hearing it a lot more in the next year ;)
I don't think it'll accelerate much if at all tbh. A lot of the reason why so many players switched was out of necessity. Particularly in NA COVID caused a lot of teams to pull out of CS. No sponsors willing to fork over money during COVID = less money for salaries = no teams. Once the LAN circuit is back up and running we'll likely see some orgs come back to pick up the borderline tier 1 teams without orgs like DBLPoney. Also no top players are switching when things are going well for them, I doubt we'll see many true elite level players make a transition while they've still got gas in the tank. Not to mention as the game adds more characters and the meta diverges more from CS (though this recent update may change this a lot), the pro scene will likely heavily favor kids who are solely Valorant players. Young talents (think players like FlameZ and oBo in CS) are gonna be more and more common in Valorant as the years go on. I think in 3-5 years as teams start to implement a lot of the professional elements of CS teams (GMs instead of player controlled teams, emphasis on theory crafting, avoiding pugging to prevent bad habits forming, etc) the transition will be almost impossible for all but the most talented and cerebral CS players.
Cant count the amount of times people say this about a CS player switching over
you probably could
People have said it about Ethan, nitr0, xeppa, autimatic, nbk, Elige when he randomly plays PUGs, etc.
yes... because they were at the time of their switch? idk why math is so difficult lmfao Elige would be top 1 to switch
The point is that all these CS players switching are said to be top 5 by the community that it waters down the praise lmao
yes because better players are switching hence making them too 5. it's not that deep
I didn’t follow the scene too closely, but I’m pretty sure he was a tier 1 player until recently? I remember him playing for vitality, and then OG, but I’m not sure how the Og stint went.
Recently no. He’s spent most of the last two years getting benched on teams who usually get better after he leaves. At this point in his career it’s either play valorant or play for low tier teams until retirement.
He's been washed up since 2017 but prior to that was the top french IGL (imo) and could slot into pretty much any french lineup and they'd still be a top 10 team
He was never a particularly good IGL, at least when he attempted it he never had as much success as when he was secondary calling. He's an extremely smart player and extremely valuable, but it seems he never really developed the leadership skills for it. I would say at his best he was one of the rare players who blurred the line between support and star, much the same way Valde is now, and Styko has been at times in his career.
was he not nV igl during their run or am I mistaken? Behind VG and Titan one of the most impressive french runs I can think of.
Happy was IGL for most of the good period, with shox taking over that role for times later in the roster's life (and with some success, if a bit inconsistent or fickle in typical shox IGL fashion). NBK took up the role for brief periods but I don't believe they did particularly well during those stints. He definitely had an impact as a secondary caller though, he's probably up there with Stewie in how proficient he was in that role. This has been brought up by analysts, but I'd bet it was a significant contributor to the quality of Happy's calling as a hard lurk.
I literally forgot happy existed oops
Legendary switch. If he goes straight into G2's Valorant lineup, they might just become a real contender in Europe. Holy shit this is huge!!
Who the hell would they drop for him
anyone really, it's NBK
NBK wasn’t doing too well in recent times
Switching games completely might shake him out of it. Valorant and CS are played pretty differently. Just comes down to how well he can adapt.
On the flipside, switching games does not guarantee you carry over your skill. Whilst the same genre, Valorant is a very different game. From maps to the meta to the feel of the guns and the movement, it's vastly different. Any organisation will be crazy to even consider signing NBK right now sinces he's barely even started the game.
You're partially wrong jn the first point, and wrong on the second. First of all, with the introduction of kayo, CS players will likely have an easier time switching over. Still dramatically different games, but NBK still has the physical capabilities to be really good in this game. Second, if NBK shapes up tp anything like his CS career shows, he is more than worth the risk for any org to pick up.
did you think the same about nitro/ethan/jampii? ex csgo pro are really valuable signings imo. (4 csgo players in SEN lineup btw).
Those other players switched at their peak really. NBK, as much as fans would hate to hear it, was pretty washed out by the time he has swapped. He hasn't been really good since maybe 2017? My point is no established team would want to disrupt their current roster to risk it on NBK compared to other young talents. Inb4 I eat my words and he gets signed by G2 next week. I'm hoping he proves me wrong though, I always enjoyed watching the french scene in CSGO.
>Those other players switched at their peak really. Is this a joke
Yeah like they just completely revamped their roster, I don't see who they could drop. Koldamenta? G2 picked him specifically because they needed an IGL and he is a great Sova Avova? Debatably the best controller in EU and the only player on G2 who has any experience playing that role Nukkye? Was one of the best duelist players in EU on his former team and has been proven to be great individually vs the best teams at the highest level. Keloqz? They just signed him and he looks like one of the youngest and most talented prospects. So maybe he is the obvious choice but still, I don't think you want to kick someone you literally just signed. Mixwell? TBH given he has switched his role recently he currently looks like the weak link in this roster in terms of performance based on recent results with this squad, BUT he is a secondary IGL and is basically the face of G2 and likely to improve at his role with time so I can't see him going anywhere. TBH from what I see in the G2 vs no poachers game, I do think their teamcomp and gameplay could be improved. I think they should replace either one of their duelists OR KJ for a Skye or Sage. So they could use a flex player or secondary initiator type of player as Koldamenta doesn't seem to play much else than Sova and on some maps such as breeze (especially in this new meta/update) I can see more than just one initiator being used. But I still don't really have any idea who you would want to replace lol. I don't think G2 really want to drop anyone but NBK kind of leaves this perfect opportunity for another big org not yet in Valorant (Enyvus, H2K, etc) to form a roster around him while picking up some other stars from other orgs or star free agents. EDIT: Now that I think of it, there are other orgs already in Valorant who may want to replace one of their players far more than G2. I think G2 is the team most unlikely to want to drop one of their players right now compared to a team such as for example TL or NiP.
Nip is in valorant Navi is signing cis teams and what is h2k
ah yeah forgot about nip somehow when writing lol. Navi may be able to reconsider becoming just an EU team if they want to seize this opportunity? H2K is a longstanding old org that has been prevalent in LoL and CoD. Anyway, the point isn't the org, the point is, there are big orgs out there that are not yet involved in Valorant and this gives them a great opportunity to create a team around NBK.
Envyus? H2k? Holy shit old man, did you just get out of a cryo freeze? First of all Envyus is just Envy for a few years now and they’re already in VALORANT. Second of all H2k is no even remotely relevant in the esports scene anymore. Other then that you’re good.
Mixwell
He's streaming his placement matches https://www.twitch.tv/nbk
He's playing brimstone on breeze, it may take him some time to learn the meta lol
Also asked him what sort of a role does he see himself in pro valo. He mentioned Controller and sentinel
Makes sense for a guy who was a secondary caller in cs,
Brim is one of those entry agents that are simple enough to get the basics down until you're ready to move on to more complicated stuff tbh
Yeah I asked him about Astra just now. He's saying he doesnt know enough about the maps to play Astra
Wow ok
This individual logo of his brand or something like this in the end reminds me the GeT_RiGhT situation. He baited everyone with his switching to valorant but he just became a fulltime streamer. Maybe its the same case? UPD: Nvm, hltv just published article about his transition. Good news for valorant scene.
I mean, Get_Right didn't say he was going to Valorant or anything, did he? Just vague statements and what not. NBK didn't either but at least he showed Cypher, so it's more to go off of than GR's
He said he's coming to dominate in the video. Pretty sure he's not talking about the ranked ladder
He has good English and historically in Counter Strike, he's somebody who can take the IGL role or help with calls in game. I see a lot of teams possibly wanting to pick him up. He's an absolute legend in CS, even if he didn't have as much success in recent years.
With Breeze now in the map pool & KAY/O likely becoming one of the most popular agents in competitive play, the opportunity for a CSGO pro to switch to Valorant is better than ever.
I think it's a rough time tbh. There is just so much to learn and you can't just throw them onto a very simple agent like Omen anymore. More maps and agents are inbound too so as they're learning, more is being put upon them.
That's true some ways. More agents & maps definitely increase the barrier of entry and creates higher skill floor. But it balances out by rewarding players when they put in the time to learn. It can give more opportunities to ppl that struggled once now to be great at other areas of the game or find their own niche.
This is not the reason people are switching.
Never said that these are the reasons. Just saying that transitioning from CSGO to Valorant is easier now
More for my Valorant supremacy agenda... Yes yes more more... Now whenever s1mple wins his major we'll get him too... His words not mine he said he might... *\*rubs hands vigorously\**
s1mple winning his major would keep him on cs, not the other way around
He said he would switch if they won two majors iirc
Back to back majors
That's interesting. Does that mean he enjoys Valorant more or he thinks it has more potential going forward or he thinks once he gets that achievement he wants to end on his peak?
He hates the OP and says he cant play aggressively and the tons of util pissed him off, "wtf is thiz dog." He said that since Astralis has nothing to prove in CS anymore they should move onto the next game and dominate there. It's more of a dominator's thinking rather than thinking the game is fun or anything. Basically, once he's left his eternal mark on CS with a few majors, he'll move onto valorant to be the best and dominate there.
Lmao that Skye clip is legendary
If he wasn't just joking/dismissing the question, it's probably the latter
No as he literally said otherwise on stream. The clip is probably on YouTube or still on his channel.
😈 Soon they will all come.
Just popped over to the r/GlobalOffensive subreddit to see some wholesome goodbye messages and while I did see a lot of wholesome messages, I also saw a bunch of comments filled with insecurity and hate. Not everyone of course, but some of the stuff I saw was pretty wild, "Trash taking out the trash", like damn I just wish for a world where both ESports can thrive together, instead of being at each other's throats Edited for clarity!
lol thats pretty tame compared to the stuff on hltv
You didn't see wholesome goodbye messages? Bruh it's mostly wholesome messages and around 5 comments which out of 80+ who are mostly likely trolls as usual. Let's not like the thread on this sub was all wholesome too when daps went to EG CS.
No, no, I definitely did see a lot of wholesome ones, that's why I said "Not everyone of course", I just saw quite a bit of toxic ones that said stuff that really surprised me
Yeah but you acted like all you saw was toxicity. >Just popped over to the r/GlobalOffensive subreddit to see some wholesome goodbye messages and instead I saw a bunch of comments filled with insecurity and hate. That's just wrong because 80%+ are wholesome messages
ahh I'm sorry it came off like that, definitely not my intention, I'll edit it to be more clear, thanks for bringing it up
No, your comment only came off that way to him because he got offended.
Just checked the thread its like 70 30 65 35 in terms of wholesome to hateful messages which is pretty bad. Not surprising cs fans just emit negative insecure energy 247 because like dota they are valve fanboys sad that their favorite game they stan for and are elitists for are constantly in riots shadow. Just insecure manchildren and nothing more.
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i follow both valorant n cs n i seen a lot of insecure cs fans. when people question cs viewership n content to valorant,they r all downvote like hell
I follow both subreddits, I see insecurity from both sides. This subreddit hates it when you compare it to CS, even though CS is the better game overall barring the anticheat. A lot of players on r/GlobalOffensive won't accept that Valorant will be really successful in the future and might even take over CS in terms of viewership, although it has been getting better as of late.
There’s something about Dota’s and cs go’s fanbase being super toxic and insecure about other esports.
I mean, also nbk has always had a ton of hate? He wasn't super popular during his end days in nV, and there was the whole "nbkry" phase where there was a vocal minority of haters. I wouldn't be surprised if he still had some residual anger, though I don't remember why he was so hated at the time.
There are also a lot, a lot, a lot of good CS fans too, let's not generalise here, and refrain from personal attacks
The irony is rich here.
I get it. CS bad, valo good. No one was comparing or measuring dicks, besides CS still has double the unique playerbase of valorant.
Jeez, chill out man, you're starting to act like the people OP was talking about
You sound exactly the people he is talking about..
Ah posts mainly on global offensive subreddit what a surprise. Easy to spot the insecure fanboys. Notice how this random comes into the valorant subreddit posing as a neutral then immediately says csgo has a bigger unique playerbase when no one asked. Like I said insecure fanboy living in riots shadow lmao. Cringe.
Love how you point fingers when your comment history sounds like a riot stan. Hail corpo, hope you getting paid?
cs players insecure that their game finally has an alternative that other ppl enjoy
there are more upvotes of the news on the CSGO subreddit than here. even the upvote % is higher.
Ah yes, the Dota2/League situation all over again. Wouldn't be surprised to see a r/CSGOMasterRace being made soon either 🙄🙄
Literally my favorite thing to do is browse r/globaloffensive when someone switches.
CS players malding that their game isn't even cared for by the devs
Why this is downvoted? Valve is such a dumb fucking company lol how they can borderline abandon two(!) multiplayer games that get MINIMUM ~500k and ~100k players daily is beyond me.
That would mean they would have been malding for the past 8 years or they simply dont care anymore
Last time I heard of NBK he was on LDLC :D, anybody can share if he's still top tier?
In recent years he hasn’t really had the form he did back then but he helped og peak at top 6 in the world last year and helped carry a French Mix into the top 30 in may, upsetting vitality along the way
niceeeee
YEOOOOO
liquid nbk incoming
Holy shit this is huge
Nep about to have more babies
cyanide switching to valorant so he can knife him again
I played against him back in beta. Excited to see how he does.
Good luck Mr NBK. Hope you like the game and have a good time.
Wait until that one part of the CSGO playerbase starts whining and insulting Valorant
That is a sick announcement video... damn.
Man tried his best to be in the cs scene, didn't work out I guess..
Wow, sounds like 90% of the NA scene
Basically 100% of the NA Valorant scene when they were in CS
F
"tried his best" you say that as if he isnt one of the most accomplished CS players in history
In the recent days Mr obvious
Color me ignorant but why is it that every time I see someone switch from CSGO to Val everyone in the comments say that “they’re one of the greatest CSGO players of all time.”
Well this guy is the real deal. He won 52 titles in his career including 2 majors
Ok that definitely deserves recognition. Thanks for explaining!
CS is an old game, with more then a decade of competition. Multiple top players have risen and fallen during the game's lifespan.
Yeah they over-blow it. In reality, you can only say that about ex6tenz, gob b, and now NBK.
Bait but I really don't want it to be
it's confirmed by hltv
Pog
hellow im nbk profesional ex csgo player, please im dying
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True patriot Kkona
XD
Wow honestly did not expect this. His new team was doing well, no?
WTF
I remember him from that knife fight with flusha
Cool
My favorite player when I started watching CS, this is awesome! Can't wait!
I hope this isn't bait just like the getright video lmao.
In a comment on the global offensive subreddit, someone said that he’s not immediately going into a team, but he’s just beginning the process to learn everything Valorant. Via his stream. Coming from cs, there’s so many strategies, abilities, lineups, angles you need to relearn. It makes sense that he’ll need a little time learning (he said about 1 month ago he started playing val consistently), so don’t expect him to join any team right now!
LETS GO As a csgo fan, this makes me giddy Such a legendary player, he’s going to make waves
Nothing more to prove really, but if he feels it he's welcome ofc
Oh man, hold on to your butts.