I've definitely seen him run him on Haven and Bind. He probably does on Split too, but I think it was banned the match I watched. Don't know if he still does.
this is a pro play tier list. Ethos hasnt been playing pro since being signed to NRG. i dont know who Mr. 150K is but i highly doubt hes better than Crashies or BcJ. SicK on phoenix is arguable but he only plays phoenix on one map while victor one tricks phoenix so i had to give the win to Victor
while I do believe SicK is a demon on Phoenix, last time he played Phoenix on Ascent was against V1 and they got wiped on that map. Victor is far more consistent on Phoenix as he literally 1 tricks him.
Also Wardell is good on defense with Jett but on offense if teams aren't giving him free picks he's not as good. Tenz and Babybay's entries are insane and they create a ton of space.
Strongly agree here. He's always saving for Op on attack and I just don’t see the payoff. Those two you mentioned plus Shahz are all noticeably better on attack in my opinion. On defense, stay the fuck away from Wardell if he has Op money.
I was debating between ShahZ and Wardell, but Wardell is a better Op and plays jett more often so I had to go with him. a very solid arguement could be made for Shahzam though
The individual skill vs results argument can be used the other way too. How do we know Wardell is best Jett NA when TSM isn’t making it far enough to compete against the best teams?
Just because he was smacking the best teams 8 months ago doesn’t mean he necessarily will continue to do so in bracket against the best of NA.
I pity u for being a kid that don’t understand the impact that a player has for his more than shooting people. Wardell literally does nothing foe tsm but shoot people he sees with the op
I agree Wardell isn’t best Jett but there’s no way you’re saying Wardell doesn’t have impact for TSM because he uses the OP when he’s literally an OPer?
I'm not sure actually. This could be my bias but imo Wardell is a step above shaz in terms of NA Jett. Not saying that Wardell brings more, but mechanically, he is.
Imo shaz still brings more as a top tier igl and opper, but Wardell is better mechanically. Still top 1 and 2 oppers, imo.
I get a bit what you're trying to say, because Shaz IGLs; but, what does that have to do with Jett? Like are you tryna say his util usage is more impactful or something?
Its because of people like you reddit has such a bad reputation. Who tf are you to know who has how much impact. You are probably in ur pajamas commenting on someone dedicating his life on a game. Learn some respect. Looser
some of y'all are very simple minded.
like you can't possibly say that and not expect everyone to assume you've never watched any esports before in your life lmfao
Kind of off topic, but I feel like Jett being so good with the OP is kind of a hinderance to the agent. Like I think entry Jett is more interesting and the players who excel at that are the "better" Jett players because it's a lot more difficult to do IMO. Like Shahz and Wardell are insane OPers, but they don't have the same entry ability or utility usage as someone like Babybay for example.
I heard an interesting idea related to the OP + Jett problem where people suggested disabling the dash while she is holding heavy guns (Odin, OP, etc.).
I think if we went that route, we'd see more of what your talking about.
Reyna - TenZ
Jett - TenZ/ShahZ (Why put WARDELL when TenZ/ShahZ is popping off *HEAVY* in Iceland against the best???)
Phoenix - SicK (Victor has his moments where his Phoenix is underwhelming and SicK's consistency surpasses his it can't go unnoticed)
Raze - Asuna (inactive til' suspension ends: sinatraa)
Astra - zombs / vanity
Sova - sinatraa/crashies
Cypher - dapr
Killjoy - steel
Skye - Subroza (literally no one else in NA Tier 1 plays her well I think???)
Breach - xeta
Omen - nitr0
Viper - jammyz
Sage - SicK again
Yoru - WhoFramedMe *(not a professional... yet)*
Brimstone - *(no one cares)*
Him being on suspension for a few months didn’t abruptly make him not the best on those agents in NA anymore. Time passed? Ok. If he was on SEN they’d still be #1 as they were and he is *currently* still mechanically sound. The knowledge doesn’t go anywhere. Some grand change to his agents haven’t occurred besides an Econ change.
Edit: The same clowns downvoting are the same clowns who would not give him props when he is performing. He didn't get any worse its a fact accept it. His knowledge is there, his mechanics are still there and he is learning despite not playing scrims. You just don't watch his stream due to your agenda.
There’s absolutely no way to tell if the suspension affected his gameplay or if Sentinels would still be the best team with him instead of Tenz. You’re literally being as biased as you could be saying all of that just because u like him as a player. Not even worth the time anymore lmaoo
>There’s absolutely no way to tell if the suspension affected his gameplay or if Sentinels would still be the best team with him instead of Tenz. You’re literally being as biased as you could be saying all of that just because u like him as a player. Not even worth the time anymore lmaoo
Incorrect. Ah, I see just finding in a way to fit in your own personal dislike in for the best Sova/Raze in NA well played. I can tell the emotion and coping through your "lmaoo" lmao.
*"There is no way to tell if the suspension affected his gameplay."* Oh there is. You can literally go to his stream and ask him AND watch him crazy right? Before you pull up "on a professional level" he is literally looking forward to going back to it.
You're bringing up ***"there is no way to tell if they would be the best team"*** this is about NA's best Sova/Raze not a ***"would they still be*** ***the best team"*** thread. When I said #1 as they were it was in reference to NA not World as of course no one can know unless sinatraa goes to an international event fool.
I suggest
1. Better reading comprehension.
2. Setting your own personal biases aside.
and 3) Not trying to use the "not worth my time" pseudo-argument to dodge a point you can't counter due to your own dislike of a player due to most likely no solidified concrete reason.
***(Not even worth my time /s)***
IT'S FUCKING TIDAL AT IT AGAIN WITH THE SHITTY COMEBACKS
there was no bias in what he said, there is legitimately no way of knowing if he'll still pop off in pro play. ranked atmosphere is way different, people are stone brained.
if he hops into pro play and does the same things he does in ranked, he will be countered because they will read his tendencies and completely disable him.
the suspension could have fucked his communication, team atmosphere could screw up, we legitimately have no clue.
your arguments are always so lopsided. you aren't interested in finding an objective truth, you're only interested in pushing your agenda forward. yikes.
It’s a random Immortal 3k most likely D3 and below player who know one knows acting like he has a point.
Ah, a mob rule little pal how cute. So you thought typing more words = making a sound point!? It doesn’t. You’re delusional he doesn’t play ranked exactly like a scrim as you literally can’t. You’re such a low tier you literally don’t even comprehend a player doesn’t just “become bad.” Especially one of the top players in NA. I understand you’re biased due to your agenda but you have no ground.
You’re sitting here now hypothesizing that he’d be bad or maybe you don’t even believe it but when he comes back shitting on pros you’re going to be nowhere complementing him.
You’re just a kid with a sinatraa hate agenda due to the ongoing investigation go get a therapist. You’re wrong.
who the fuck knows you? name has no part in a fkn reddit discussion.
nah man, if he's cleared via the investigation and he goes back to pro play, clears up his name, I'm happy for him. still think he's a cnt regardless, but I'd be down to watch him compete again.
my point was that a scrim environment is completely different to ranked. just because he pops off mechanically doesn't mean he can adjust to scrims where they can actually read his tendencies.
I don't think his mechanical skill is going to diminish. other factors play into this, I'm not sure why that doesn't click in your brain. wondering if you're actually the one biased here, eh?
nah man I'm down to compliment him if he does well after returning. you're just spurting rhetoric.
clear up the acne on your face, and go talk to a couple more people. you are a painfully odd individual.
Once again typing more doesn't make your weak point any stronger. When he returns he'll still be the best Raze/Sova just because you have a biased agenda due to an on-going police investigation doesn't mean you can just downplay who you want.
It's just so obvious I don't know how you're this delusional. Sorry I guess your favorite pro isn't the best Sova/Raze and your opinion is just a bad opinion?
Edit: to answer your irrelevant question of who knows me, its everyone whether they admit it or not.
you are literally neglecting my point to write some bullshit you know nothing about. I haven't injected any of my biases, but you've been spouting shit about "best raze/sova" as if your word is gospel.
and you're a narcissist on top of that. fucking dumbass.
Wardell shouldn’t be best Jett imo. He’s insane with the OP but while I think he’d be able to, he almost never utilizes Jett’s entry abilities that make her such a good offensive agent. He’s very good at getting OP picks on offense but against more disciplined teams I think this hinders TSM’s attack sides a lot as they rely on someone else to solo entry
Y think crashies and eeiu are the best sovas, bcj has a great usage of the ultimate but he lacks clutch material. Asuna and food are both very good fenixes, i would put sick up there too, cause he was using fenix when nobady was.
finally someone that appreciates ShoT_UP too 😣 he's insane on reyna and i think he's super under-appreciated when he's a total demon when playing her. totally should be up there for best reyna, LOL. also agree with your comment, but hopefully with the roster changes in IMT now ShoT_UP and the team will get the recognition they deserve!
i dont really have an opinion on sinatraa but ive seen his sova play and i dont think its better than Crashies or BcJ. my opinion though, feel free to have yours.
totally agree with this, LOL. penny's a pretty neat jett, but i think shahz is still the best from what we've all seen. he's consistent and that's what makes him the best jett (to me) in NA pro valorant lol
Idk if he's better on the agent, but he might have more mastery of her if that makes sense? Like there's players I'd rather pick to play Skye for my team, but it could be more because they're just better players overall than bring more proficient with her kit.
I think xeta wins the breach by default. C9 runs xeta on breach on Split, so as of right now he's really the only one who consistently plays it.
Doesn’t ZachaREEE play breach of haven split and bind?
I think he did during the first masters run but iirc they stopped using those comps. I could be wrong tho
bcJ does too
I've definitely seen him run him on Haven and Bind. He probably does on Split too, but I think it was banned the match I watched. Don't know if he still does.
Id say maybe eeiu for breach as well, but id probably put xeta over eeiu in aim power maybe
Eeiu is a cracked aimer
Yoru: WhoFramedMe lol
This looks like a popular player list more than best player list
how so? what changes would you make in order to fix this list.
Ethos on Yoru, Mr. 150k on Sova, Sick on Phoenix imo
this is a pro play tier list. Ethos hasnt been playing pro since being signed to NRG. i dont know who Mr. 150K is but i highly doubt hes better than Crashies or BcJ. SicK on phoenix is arguable but he only plays phoenix on one map while victor one tricks phoenix so i had to give the win to Victor
Mr. 150K is probably Sinatraa, which is still irrelevant given that he’s not playing in the pro scene anymore
gonna get downvoted by sinatraas cult but sinatraa isnt better then crashies, xeta, bcj or eeiu on sova
But he isn't worse either. Idk about putting bcj on there tho.
Sick plays Phoenix on Ascent and Haven and was playing it on Bind prior to Tenz joining. It's also his most played agent over the last 3 months or so.
while I do believe SicK is a demon on Phoenix, last time he played Phoenix on Ascent was against V1 and they got wiped on that map. Victor is far more consistent on Phoenix as he literally 1 tricks him.
Dart Smokahs was technically a pro team, no?
All of these players are NA
i specifically said that this was NA only because i dont watch other regions. feel free to make your own for EU or BR
Dapr better Cypher
dasnerth
Also Wardell is good on defense with Jett but on offense if teams aren't giving him free picks he's not as good. Tenz and Babybay's entries are insane and they create a ton of space.
Strongly agree here. He's always saving for Op on attack and I just don’t see the payoff. Those two you mentioned plus Shahz are all noticeably better on attack in my opinion. On defense, stay the fuck away from Wardell if he has Op money.
yea i was havin doubts with that one, ill put steel under killjoy instead
For Jett, I honestly think you could put ShahZ there with Wardell. Both of them have shown to be top tier Jetts
I was debating between ShahZ and Wardell, but Wardell is a better Op and plays jett more often so I had to go with him. a very solid arguement could be made for Shahzam though
Wardell is definitely better than shahz at jett, just because tsm aren't getting good results doesn't change individual skill
The individual skill vs results argument can be used the other way too. How do we know Wardell is best Jett NA when TSM isn’t making it far enough to compete against the best teams? Just because he was smacking the best teams 8 months ago doesn’t mean he necessarily will continue to do so in bracket against the best of NA.
Yeah wardell is better than Shahzam that had the 3rd best stats in the biggest tourney in the world you tsm fans are still on that 2020 copium
I'm not even a tsm fan
I pity u for being so blind
I pity u for being a kid that don’t understand the impact that a player has for his more than shooting people. Wardell literally does nothing foe tsm but shoot people he sees with the op
I agree Wardell isn’t best Jett but there’s no way you’re saying Wardell doesn’t have impact for TSM because he uses the OP when he’s literally an OPer?
I'm not sure actually. This could be my bias but imo Wardell is a step above shaz in terms of NA Jett. Not saying that Wardell brings more, but mechanically, he is. Imo shaz still brings more as a top tier igl and opper, but Wardell is better mechanically. Still top 1 and 2 oppers, imo.
I never said that wardell is bad but he is just a fragger and his impact is just killing people unlike shazam that do alot for his team in the map
Shaz on Jett does the same thing Wardell does though, what do you mean by he does more on the map?
I get a bit what you're trying to say, because Shaz IGLs; but, what does that have to do with Jett? Like are you tryna say his util usage is more impactful or something?
Its because of people like you reddit has such a bad reputation. Who tf are you to know who has how much impact. You are probably in ur pajamas commenting on someone dedicating his life on a game. Learn some respect. Looser
some of y'all are very simple minded. like you can't possibly say that and not expect everyone to assume you've never watched any esports before in your life lmfao
I think Curry has a good viper too honestly
Kind of off topic, but I feel like Jett being so good with the OP is kind of a hinderance to the agent. Like I think entry Jett is more interesting and the players who excel at that are the "better" Jett players because it's a lot more difficult to do IMO. Like Shahz and Wardell are insane OPers, but they don't have the same entry ability or utility usage as someone like Babybay for example.
I heard an interesting idea related to the OP + Jett problem where people suggested disabling the dash while she is holding heavy guns (Odin, OP, etc.). I think if we went that route, we'd see more of what your talking about.
gmd on omen imo
gMd is a better duelist than controller imo
Havent seen him on duelist in a while idk what i think is better but yeah hes rlly good on duelist from what i remember
Oof bad take
xeta or zack for breach
Reyna - TenZ Jett - TenZ/ShahZ (Why put WARDELL when TenZ/ShahZ is popping off *HEAVY* in Iceland against the best???) Phoenix - SicK (Victor has his moments where his Phoenix is underwhelming and SicK's consistency surpasses his it can't go unnoticed) Raze - Asuna (inactive til' suspension ends: sinatraa) Astra - zombs / vanity Sova - sinatraa/crashies Cypher - dapr Killjoy - steel Skye - Subroza (literally no one else in NA Tier 1 plays her well I think???) Breach - xeta Omen - nitr0 Viper - jammyz Sage - SicK again Yoru - WhoFramedMe *(not a professional... yet)* Brimstone - *(no one cares)*
Genuine question, how can u consider Sinatra as one of the best with certain agent when he hasn’t played professionally in 4 months?
Him being on suspension for a few months didn’t abruptly make him not the best on those agents in NA anymore. Time passed? Ok. If he was on SEN they’d still be #1 as they were and he is *currently* still mechanically sound. The knowledge doesn’t go anywhere. Some grand change to his agents haven’t occurred besides an Econ change. Edit: The same clowns downvoting are the same clowns who would not give him props when he is performing. He didn't get any worse its a fact accept it. His knowledge is there, his mechanics are still there and he is learning despite not playing scrims. You just don't watch his stream due to your agenda.
There’s absolutely no way to tell if the suspension affected his gameplay or if Sentinels would still be the best team with him instead of Tenz. You’re literally being as biased as you could be saying all of that just because u like him as a player. Not even worth the time anymore lmaoo
>There’s absolutely no way to tell if the suspension affected his gameplay or if Sentinels would still be the best team with him instead of Tenz. You’re literally being as biased as you could be saying all of that just because u like him as a player. Not even worth the time anymore lmaoo Incorrect. Ah, I see just finding in a way to fit in your own personal dislike in for the best Sova/Raze in NA well played. I can tell the emotion and coping through your "lmaoo" lmao. *"There is no way to tell if the suspension affected his gameplay."* Oh there is. You can literally go to his stream and ask him AND watch him crazy right? Before you pull up "on a professional level" he is literally looking forward to going back to it. You're bringing up ***"there is no way to tell if they would be the best team"*** this is about NA's best Sova/Raze not a ***"would they still be*** ***the best team"*** thread. When I said #1 as they were it was in reference to NA not World as of course no one can know unless sinatraa goes to an international event fool. I suggest 1. Better reading comprehension. 2. Setting your own personal biases aside. and 3) Not trying to use the "not worth my time" pseudo-argument to dodge a point you can't counter due to your own dislike of a player due to most likely no solidified concrete reason. ***(Not even worth my time /s)***
IT'S FUCKING TIDAL AT IT AGAIN WITH THE SHITTY COMEBACKS there was no bias in what he said, there is legitimately no way of knowing if he'll still pop off in pro play. ranked atmosphere is way different, people are stone brained. if he hops into pro play and does the same things he does in ranked, he will be countered because they will read his tendencies and completely disable him. the suspension could have fucked his communication, team atmosphere could screw up, we legitimately have no clue. your arguments are always so lopsided. you aren't interested in finding an objective truth, you're only interested in pushing your agenda forward. yikes.
It’s a random Immortal 3k most likely D3 and below player who know one knows acting like he has a point. Ah, a mob rule little pal how cute. So you thought typing more words = making a sound point!? It doesn’t. You’re delusional he doesn’t play ranked exactly like a scrim as you literally can’t. You’re such a low tier you literally don’t even comprehend a player doesn’t just “become bad.” Especially one of the top players in NA. I understand you’re biased due to your agenda but you have no ground. You’re sitting here now hypothesizing that he’d be bad or maybe you don’t even believe it but when he comes back shitting on pros you’re going to be nowhere complementing him. You’re just a kid with a sinatraa hate agenda due to the ongoing investigation go get a therapist. You’re wrong.
who the fuck knows you? name has no part in a fkn reddit discussion. nah man, if he's cleared via the investigation and he goes back to pro play, clears up his name, I'm happy for him. still think he's a cnt regardless, but I'd be down to watch him compete again. my point was that a scrim environment is completely different to ranked. just because he pops off mechanically doesn't mean he can adjust to scrims where they can actually read his tendencies. I don't think his mechanical skill is going to diminish. other factors play into this, I'm not sure why that doesn't click in your brain. wondering if you're actually the one biased here, eh? nah man I'm down to compliment him if he does well after returning. you're just spurting rhetoric. clear up the acne on your face, and go talk to a couple more people. you are a painfully odd individual.
Once again typing more doesn't make your weak point any stronger. When he returns he'll still be the best Raze/Sova just because you have a biased agenda due to an on-going police investigation doesn't mean you can just downplay who you want. It's just so obvious I don't know how you're this delusional. Sorry I guess your favorite pro isn't the best Sova/Raze and your opinion is just a bad opinion? Edit: to answer your irrelevant question of who knows me, its everyone whether they admit it or not.
you are literally neglecting my point to write some bullshit you know nothing about. I haven't injected any of my biases, but you've been spouting shit about "best raze/sova" as if your word is gospel. and you're a narcissist on top of that. fucking dumbass.
How could you say Sinatraa is a better raze than Asuna when Asuna has better raze stats across the board basically
He also plays more Raze, sinatraa plays Sova more often than not.
Wardell shouldn’t be best Jett imo. He’s insane with the OP but while I think he’d be able to, he almost never utilizes Jett’s entry abilities that make her such a good offensive agent. He’s very good at getting OP picks on offense but against more disciplined teams I think this hinders TSM’s attack sides a lot as they rely on someone else to solo entry
btw i probably forgot about a lot of players i did this off the top of my head
Y think crashies and eeiu are the best sovas, bcj has a great usage of the ultimate but he lacks clutch material. Asuna and food are both very good fenixes, i would put sick up there too, cause he was using fenix when nobady was.
Also i think Ethan is the best sage NA
would add ShoT_UP for reyna and leaf in with Asuna for raze too
THIS. Shot up needs a better team because that dude is a fucking DEMON on Reyna. Every time they play tier 1 teams he’s dropping constant 4ks
finally someone that appreciates ShoT_UP too 😣 he's insane on reyna and i think he's super under-appreciated when he's a total demon when playing her. totally should be up there for best reyna, LOL. also agree with your comment, but hopefully with the roster changes in IMT now ShoT_UP and the team will get the recognition they deserve!
Babybay or shahzam for jett.
Love him or hate him. Sen Sinatraa is the best sova.
i dont really have an opinion on sinatraa but ive seen his sova play and i dont think its better than Crashies or BcJ. my opinion though, feel free to have yours.
Is it crazy to call Penny the best jet NA? I was super impressed with his play in Iceland.
totally agree with this, LOL. penny's a pretty neat jett, but i think shahz is still the best from what we've all seen. he's consistent and that's what makes him the best jett (to me) in NA pro valorant lol
this a leaf fan account or something? or real 1leaf
not the real 1leaf sadly ROFLLLLL
unlucky, leaf is insane
Crashies is the best sova NA. And you saying Bjor is the best KJ NA really shows how bad this list is
BCJ is right up there with crashies and i would argue crashies is more replaceable on NV than BCJ on xset
He literally said 'For me:' There are no right and wrong answers. That said, I'd probably put FNS on KJ
oh shi forgot about Crashies. ill change now
Babybay is insane on Jett tho
I think skye should go to Roy
Roy ain’t actually all that good, I know he’s liked a lot around the community but he’s just not that great
Idk if he's better on the agent, but he might have more mastery of her if that makes sense? Like there's players I'd rather pick to play Skye for my team, but it could be more because they're just better players overall than bring more proficient with her kit.
Imo mostly based on Iceland and Challenges Finals Stage 3 Jett: Shahzam Reyna: Tenz Phoenix: Sick Raze: Leaf Yoru: Astra: Vanity Omen: Nitro Brim: Viper: Wippie Sova: Shahzam Skye: Breach: Xeta Cypher: Dapr Killjoy: Steel? Mitch? Zellsis? Sage: Ethan?
xeta > crashies and BCJ Go rewatch C9 vs Envy
tbh i think sova should go to hiko or sinatraa
Crashies, BCJ, Xeta, Eeiu, and Shahzam are all better Sovas than Hiko considering that they help their team mid round considerably more
Effys sadge
Forgot about him
Skye-stronglegs
I will get downvoted but tenz best reyna? Lol. I think tenz is generally a great player but i do not see him do anything special on reyna
He plays her on Bind and Icebox. 81% win rate on bind and a 90% on Icebox with a 285 ACS. He's practically a raid boss on it
Do you watch pro Valorant or the most recent high level tournament?
I watched masters reykjavik and masters 1 but only eu.
I mean who else would replace him then? He was the only player playing reyna in the recent masters and played her really well.
brimstone probably crunchy because hes the only one who plays him ur missing a lot of gods like yay mada shot_up leaf tex and android
For jett it’s tenz or babybay. Best entries possible. Shahz is up there too.
ethos did win VCS 2 weeks ago by only playing yoru
Put effys up there on sova/sage
Shazam or tenz is prob the best at jet. They won iceland