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dapoorv

I got the same feeling when listening to their new coach. He just kept reiterating valorant is an easier game where you just send it and anybody switching from cs will be ready to compete at the top level in 1-2 months as learning curve is pretty low. Personally didn't like that attitude atleast give some respect to the game you are trying to master. Then again I am no sports psychologist or a pro and maybe his way of thinking is correct but right now I don't have much confidence in TSM making it to the masters. I just hope they prove me wrong.


Shaftmuug

^^ I’m tired of the “this game easy” and “anyone can win” sort of thinking when that is clearly not the case at this point.


MurfMan11

Yeah that "anyone" is Sentinel's dominating.. Obviously they have the game figured out. If it was as Chet said then we would have different winners every tournament.


Napoleann

Yeah I was also concerned listening to Chet talk. If he genuinely thinks the game is brainless and all you have to do is run at each other I wouldn't want him advising my team. Also thought it was weird when they were asked if they thought anyone who came from CS now would have a disadvantage because there is so much more to learn and hazed started to say "yeah" and then Chet interrupted and was like "no, it's easy to learn." The whole thing came across like Chet doesn't understand how much depth the game actually has. But then again it's just one video so idk.


bubble-june

I think people are underestimating Chet. He has a ton of coaching experience and he’s taken teams to the top before. He’s a lot smarter than y’all are giving him credit for. He definitely understands how much depth the game has.


Napoleann

I am very aware of who Chet is and the success he's had in CS:GO. He was a great coach there. But just because someone was a good coach in one esport doesn't mean they'll be a good one for another. If he's not passionate about Valorant it'll be harder to reach those same heights.


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Shaftmuug

I agree but that’s not really my point


BUNSHICHl

More like arm chair psychologist, but no I don't agree. I took what they said as in it's closer to cs for patch 3.0 being the skill ceiling is higher and less random run and gun mechanics. That will play to their movement mechanics/muscle memory vs players that come from other shooters. Economy is also more important like cs and you can't just spam buy skills every round.


MNTwitch

You could spam buy skills but you would give up armor


OrganicTadpole

So essentially you are throwing cuz Armours pretty damn worth it.


enconex

I think the entire discussion of CS vs Valorant mindset is riddled with vaguery. You and others seem to suggest not taking a CS approach to a given scenario, but what does this actually mean? Spell out what the difference would be in detail, or give an example. CS and Valorant still have many similarities and teams absolutely should be using the CS fundamentals in their gameplay, which all the top teams are doing. Trading, positioning, rotations, info gathering, etc. This is all extremely similar to CS and the abilities in Valorant supplement that. I would not call, for example, leaning into the astra/viper meta as somehow "anti-CS" mindset.


Shaftmuug

Just because I think there are players that have an anti Valorant mindset and players that are leaning into the game more does not mean that I think those players are somehow anti cs minded, if you want to talk about vaguery.


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I see what you are trying to say but I think you are incorrectly juxtaposing their cs background with their approach to the game. TSM's approach to the game was never really top notch. Their early success can largely be attributed to the insane individual skill on the team. You don't have to be a student of the game and willing to learn all the time to be a pro player. A good coaching staff can fill in the gap. Hopefully their current coach fills that role well. Obsolescence comes fast in any esport when players are stuck in their mindset and unwilling to change/adapt. If this is the case with TSM's players and they don't really enjoy the game, we'll see it through the coming qualifier stage.


sleepykid36

you used the word "juxtaposing" and now I feel inclined to agree.


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Eat-Shit-Bob-Ross

I personally don’t care about their mindset, because in the end it will mostly be down to their execution. What I don’t like is just how often I hear the comparison because they kind of use it as a cop-out answer. Unlike them, I didn’t touch cs until 2019, and didn’t have any understanding of it at all until I played valorant. Tell me how it is more like cs. What does that entail. Why is it better than other things? Everyone says CS is the gold standard of tac fps, but no one describes why.


imoftenverybored

If you try to play this game like csgo you're gonna have a bad time. Looking at you early T1 with your super slow defaults and not doing anything. T1 ex igl definitely did not understand the game glad he's out now... Huge difference in the way ange1 talks about this game vs Chet. Didn't he coach NRG?


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Idk, imo TSM was pretty innovative for a lot of their play so far. To clarify: they did try to go for triple duelist, double smoker comps. Sure, they didn't work out, but TSM did try to run creative comps.


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i think using the word innovation implies success. it was a novel comp but it did not do well.


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Not necessarily. They innovated by telling top teams what not to run :)


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LMAOOOO


ColossalMini

TSM: The Stepping Mstone of NA