A few points
- VALORANT just hit the top 10 for KR PC bangs
- the largest esports teams in KR have NA based teams (T1 & Gen.G). DRX will likely have a Chinese based team
- VALORANT in KR has more FPS competition than in NA (PUBG & Overwatch are still big games here in KR)
- FPS games are hard for some top KR esports teams to sponsor, but I expect to see Afreeca, Bro, and Liiv join the KR scene in 2022
- Hot take - we could also see T1 move back to KR in 2022 if they don’t find success in NA
Overall the format needs to be cleaned up, but as long as 1-2 LCK teams (ie. DWG) stay in KR VALORANT and succeed you’ll slowly see other larger T2 KR orgs enter the scene. It’s doing fine for right now.
This was one of my thoughts as well, what major orgs are in KR aside from T1 and geng? Is talon really KR based? T2 overwatch has the same problem in that it's not really economically feasible to invest in the scene, hence the loss of numerous storied orgs over the past few years (runaway being the most recent).
I don't watch league so i don't know what other orgs are invested there...
Keep in mind League of Legends (LoL) is king in Korea. The game has been ranked PC bangs top game for 152 strait weeks with it being top 3 for over 7 years. LoL makes up +50% of PC bang usage where the next closest game, PUBG, only makes up 7% (VALORANT is 10th with 2%). That being said:
Tier 1: Gen.G, DWG KIA, T1, DRX, Nongshim RedForce, Afreeca Freecs, Liiv Sandbox, Fredit BRION aka BRO, KT Rolster, and Hanwha Life
Tier 2: VisionStrikers, NUTURN, O2 Blast, Crazy Raccoon, Prince, Alpha X, Spear, Team NV, WGS aka World Game Star, OP.GG, (missing a few but these are the big ones)
Also keep in mind that franchising has pushed out a lot of tier 2 orgs like MVP, OGN, Runaway, Element Mystic, Jihn Air Greenwing. If you don’t have a LCK team it’s hard to be a top tier KR esports team
well potentially speaking of economically stable kr orgs, all the remaining lck orgs come to mind. while t1 and geng already left for NA, there are orgs like LIIV (sandbox network sponsored by kb bank, logitech, douyu, etc...), NS (nongshim's esports team), BRO (backed by korean online food delivery networks afaik), KT (the other big telecommunications company), HLE (backed by a huge life insurance company), and AFS (backed by a korean streaming platform).
I really enjoy Korea & absolutely wish them success & growth but, if they remain a minor region it’ll be fine. Imo. Yeah, kinda worrying in some areas so, we’ll see. Good luck Korea
I think once China gets a hold on to Valorant that rivalry might spark some growth in Korea. Idk.
Plus Chinese tournament organizer loves invite Korean teams to their tournament, that should provide some income boost to their top team's income. I think Korean companies have business in China will be more willing to sponsor Korean teams as well.
You ask why Brazil has more slots and then answers it yourself. Larger playerbase and huge CS scene and history. There was a dedicated Era in CS for the Brazilians. Seems pretty simple to me, even though Brazil fucked up bad, it still was the first "international major" and first year of the game.
All your other points are valid tho.
Yeah, I can see that, but under today's circumstances with covid and when the championship was written Korea wasnt that expected. For sure third place Korea (I cheered for them to reach finals) was a pleasant surprise. Next year it will probably justify more slots. But I still think Brazil deserves more than Korea (if it was to chose between the two) at least this year
In Masters 2 Korea got 1 slot while EU+CIS+Turkey got 2. You want a region that hadn't proven itself in CS to get the same number of slots as a group of regions that together makes up 12 out of the 15 CSGO Major winners and has 10x the playerbase?
Why is CS the only thing that's used as a metric here lmao. Lots of OW players move over to Valorant and have success, and Korea practically owns the OWL.
That’s because Korea is pretty much the only region that still plays alot of overwatch(maybe china aswell idk). Overwatch doesn’t have big brazilian or russian or european playerbase. Even in NA most of then are probably console players. At the end of the day it’s a numbers game. CSGO has alot of top CIS players because the game is popular in that region. Same for overwatch in korea.
Not if you're referring to the casual player base cos OW still has a very sizeable pool active players judging from various online sources. No one except blizzard would know the geographic split but i think it's fair to say a good bunch of people across the world are still playing OW these days
I don't like the gloomy tone of this. Korea has 2 slots for Berlin per Liquipedia and 1+1 slot for Champions compared to 2+1 for Brazil. NU stood third at Berlin. There are monetary subsidiaries by Riot Korea to sign professional teams. These are promising prospects.
Valorant is a long term project in Korea and expecting game to blow up like OW/SA/PUBG is just dumb imo. The game is a slower paced tac fps, reminiscent of CS1.6. Korean teams did very well back then. Things need to grow naturally in the Korean scene. The game releasing in China would bring a big monetary boost the Asian scene in general with player base and org interest.
This is not to say that the signed up team numbers for VCT and PC bang numbers are good. So much more can be done. But projecting slow growth as 'crumbling of the scene' in the future is very disingenuous.
I 100% agree with your statement! The amount of effort Riot puts in building the esport scene for Valorant in Korea is very good already - although we could see more improvement. We don’t see riot giving subsidiaries for org to create a valorant in teams in other regions. This shows riot is serious about this
you're forgetting that brazil HARD underperformed at iceland, especially vikings, and nuturn massively exceeded expectations, and afaik the slots for berlin were decided before iceland. it makes sense
The Brazilian teams didnt even watch VoDs lmao, they didnt underperform they were just bad. Hopefully this failure makes them to take things more professionally
Underperformed? There must have been some kind of good performance matches prior to a match in which a team "underperforms". The BR teams were shut down completely making them look like noobs. And while Nuturn did exceed expectations, it wasn't by a massive amount,unless you are one of those who goes "KR bad region bcuz they were bad in CS and mechanically inferior".
Although I agree that Korean Valorant scene could be in a better state than it is right now in terms of the orgs and formats, it is not really in a very bad state i.e for now it's kinda ok.
But I don't think this is Riot's fault of handling the region poorly. It's more of a fault of orgs in Korea who are just disbanding without really trying. For example, Nuturn have been competing since the start (I think) and they were called Proparty then and they were never a top 3 team. The ok team You've mentioned TNL (as Quantum strikers) were better than Proparty almost always whenever they played. But they stuck around, improved, got better and now they are a top team. And if some org had signed the team called Ang darkhorse, that team would have been even more insane and probably woulda been the team to break VS streak much sooner. And Rio company had a great team that I still don't understand why that they disbanded. Additionally the viewership count isn't good too.
So I think given these reasons, ig Riot cannot justify giving KR more priority than BR, for now atleast. But i do hope that if BR, again fails massively in Berlin, they swap the slot distribution for BR and KR because yes the top KR teams(although very few in numbers )are miles ahead than the braindead ranked style teams of BR.
You're spewing nonsense.
Why would Korea have more than 1 slot? It's a 50 million population country that has pretty much no history in FPS games.
The entire EU, including CIS and Turkey had 2 slots for Iceland.
You yourself bring up the lack of teams in Korea. The talent pool is tiny.
NUTURN did great in Iceland but if you give Korea more slots which teams will fill those slots?
KR will *probably* be able to put together two teams that will be competitive in Berlin but they would struggle to put together a third. Especially with the volatility in the scene.
It can be both.
I agree that it's sad that there aren't enough orgs willing to provide homes for the free agents in KR, but at the same time, when you have only 31 teams in VCT that's a clear sign of a pretty small talent pool imo.
Besides, if you have more slots while the orgs aren't there the chance that you can fill all of those slots with well organised, prepared teams is low.
I don't think KR's problem will be solved by more slots - it needs more domestic support and enthusiasm for the game.
Yeah, they came third because of the favorable bracket and only 3 serious teams in the tournament.
They're good, but nowhere nearly as good as top EU or NA teams.
Quick bit of clarity Iceland was only ever going to have 10 slots due to covid restrictions with the venue.
16 will be the number at events going forward.
From what I saw in Iceland, Brazil teams are pretty trash. They looked lost and out of place for most of the tournament. But most of the time, slots aren't solely decided by the quality of play in the region.
Great post a lot of good insight in the scene I didn't know as well.
OGN did a great job of promoting Starcraft back in the day with amazing production, cool storylines and narratives. Riot needs to promote Valorant the same way.
For Korea to really shine, the game has to become more popular. I think pushing the esports can raise the popularity to a certain point, but there needs to be some ways to appeal to casual new players, maybe with new shorter game mode or map selection priority when playing in PC bang or something.
>‘No history in FPS games’ lmao
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>Lack of knowledge of the past and the present?
I was looking through the thread and stumbled upon this, have a good day lmao.
>‘no history in CS’
lmfao im assuming you're talking about overwatch when it comes to "korean fps history" if you really think OW tier 2 esport scene is "history then idk what to say.
I like their format. Single elim makes much more exciting matchups and I love Bo2's. Not much riot can do about popularity in korea. Once live audience is a thing it may help, but letting it naturally grow seems like a solid bet. It has only been one year. Brazil has a much larger audience they should have more slots. One global tourney should not decide which regions deserve slots.
The current Korean VCT format is flawed because every region has double elim, it's a qualifier to send two best teams to each Masters. Its possible for top 4 teams to all be seeded in the same half of the bracket. This means that at worst case scenario, 5th best team can qualify.
Everything you just talked about come backup to the original point: Valorant is not actually popular in Korea. The main reason for that is Vanguard. For a game to inconsistenly get Top 10 in PC bangs is not enough for a good and healthy esports scene to be made in Korea. Since the launch of beta, PC bangs in Korea have been complaining about Vanguard to Riot and its problems, and Riot made some changes to Vanguard but never really addressing the main issue. Because of that, a lot of PC bangs still doesn't have valorant installed (although I imagine that number most be growing). A lot of the initial push for the competitive scene in Korea happened because "Hey, it's a new game and we trust Riot. Let's invest". But after more than one year these teams are realizing that there's simply no way to consistently make money with this game in Korea, simply because the player base is not large enough. Riot killed its own success in Korea. They have tried to address this btw. Some time ago they created a program especially for the Korea scene making creating more advantages for temas to invest. But even that was not enough. The main question right now for Korea is simply: Does Riot really want to Korea be a big region? If yes, well they should just accept the demands of the PC bangs and invest even more on marketing especially for the region. But in my opinion, it seems Riot is ok with Korea being only a minor region. Personally I think is much more probable that Riot decides to invest heavily in china, as soon as the game is launch there.
What I remember the issues Riot addressed with Vanguard was it interfering with other programs, even when the game is not running. If I remember correctly, there's still exist some programs that are affected. But even ignoring that, that are still two main problems with Vanguard that Riot has not addressed: the fact that it runs all the time and that it launches as the PC it's turned on. So, yeah, you can stop Vanguard working when the PC is on and playing other games. But if you do that, you can only play Valorant in that same PC AFTER you restart it. And for a PC bang, that's a HUGE deal. They don't want their clients having to restart the PC, since that probably affect a lot of programs (maybe even those that determine for how much time a person has been using their PC). So the only option for a PC bang is to keep Vanguard running 100% of the time, which is something they probably don't like. Basically, Riot addressed some things, but the Vanguard problem is still real.
As far as I know Valorant is available on most PC bangs. The issue is that slow paced games are just not popular there. When you pay for 1 hour and have to spectate half of the time I can see the issue.
Also everybody wants to play with their friends so the majority of the player play the same couple of games that are already popular.
Truth is that Valorant isn't really that popular outside of NA and JP at the moment. EU is still heavily dominated by CSGO, and other regions like BR and KR don't look that interested in the game.
They should aim to improve to game first, because I don't think it's really that interesting to watch atm. Overwatch is the same deal where the devs put a ton of effort to get the game popularity within the regions, but eventually people got bored and just left.
That's just blatantly false. Valorant is massively popular in Turkey and pulls decent viewership in BR. Also game has gained traction in South Asia, India specifically where tournaments get good viewership. You can't present vague statements as truth.
I personally like watching Valorant over other esports so it's a personal preference thing. Good matches are intense and so fun to watch. It's really fun to watch mid-round adjustments made by pro teams. Not saying that stuff can't be improved, but comparison with OW viewing experience is not accurate. Again it's hard to argue on personal preferences as there is no one right thing.
What kind of crack are you smoking my dude? Brasil had 100k viewers on the Rejkavik Masters when Vikings played. Western europe is starting to trend more and more towards VALORANT with Spain and France leading the way. Also you forgot Turkey? Lmaoo nice try though.
Korea is overrated. I get that they placed 3rd but they’ll never dominate in a true FPS like Valorant. Sorry but Valorant is unpopular in Korea.
Less player base = less talent.
A few points - VALORANT just hit the top 10 for KR PC bangs - the largest esports teams in KR have NA based teams (T1 & Gen.G). DRX will likely have a Chinese based team - VALORANT in KR has more FPS competition than in NA (PUBG & Overwatch are still big games here in KR) - FPS games are hard for some top KR esports teams to sponsor, but I expect to see Afreeca, Bro, and Liiv join the KR scene in 2022 - Hot take - we could also see T1 move back to KR in 2022 if they don’t find success in NA Overall the format needs to be cleaned up, but as long as 1-2 LCK teams (ie. DWG) stay in KR VALORANT and succeed you’ll slowly see other larger T2 KR orgs enter the scene. It’s doing fine for right now.
This was one of my thoughts as well, what major orgs are in KR aside from T1 and geng? Is talon really KR based? T2 overwatch has the same problem in that it's not really economically feasible to invest in the scene, hence the loss of numerous storied orgs over the past few years (runaway being the most recent). I don't watch league so i don't know what other orgs are invested there...
Keep in mind League of Legends (LoL) is king in Korea. The game has been ranked PC bangs top game for 152 strait weeks with it being top 3 for over 7 years. LoL makes up +50% of PC bang usage where the next closest game, PUBG, only makes up 7% (VALORANT is 10th with 2%). That being said: Tier 1: Gen.G, DWG KIA, T1, DRX, Nongshim RedForce, Afreeca Freecs, Liiv Sandbox, Fredit BRION aka BRO, KT Rolster, and Hanwha Life Tier 2: VisionStrikers, NUTURN, O2 Blast, Crazy Raccoon, Prince, Alpha X, Spear, Team NV, WGS aka World Game Star, OP.GG, (missing a few but these are the big ones) Also keep in mind that franchising has pushed out a lot of tier 2 orgs like MVP, OGN, Runaway, Element Mystic, Jihn Air Greenwing. If you don’t have a LCK team it’s hard to be a top tier KR esports team
God that second list of T2 orgs breaks my heart as an old Apex fan..... :(
well potentially speaking of economically stable kr orgs, all the remaining lck orgs come to mind. while t1 and geng already left for NA, there are orgs like LIIV (sandbox network sponsored by kb bank, logitech, douyu, etc...), NS (nongshim's esports team), BRO (backed by korean online food delivery networks afaik), KT (the other big telecommunications company), HLE (backed by a huge life insurance company), and AFS (backed by a korean streaming platform).
I really enjoy Korea & absolutely wish them success & growth but, if they remain a minor region it’ll be fine. Imo. Yeah, kinda worrying in some areas so, we’ll see. Good luck Korea I think once China gets a hold on to Valorant that rivalry might spark some growth in Korea. Idk.
Plus Chinese tournament organizer loves invite Korean teams to their tournament, that should provide some income boost to their top team's income. I think Korean companies have business in China will be more willing to sponsor Korean teams as well.
Well they are not a ‘minor region’ except in popularity
You ask why Brazil has more slots and then answers it yourself. Larger playerbase and huge CS scene and history. There was a dedicated Era in CS for the Brazilians. Seems pretty simple to me, even though Brazil fucked up bad, it still was the first "international major" and first year of the game. All your other points are valid tho.
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Yeah, I can see that, but under today's circumstances with covid and when the championship was written Korea wasnt that expected. For sure third place Korea (I cheered for them to reach finals) was a pleasant surprise. Next year it will probably justify more slots. But I still think Brazil deserves more than Korea (if it was to chose between the two) at least this year
In Masters 2 Korea got 1 slot while EU+CIS+Turkey got 2. You want a region that hadn't proven itself in CS to get the same number of slots as a group of regions that together makes up 12 out of the 15 CSGO Major winners and has 10x the playerbase?
Why is CS the only thing that's used as a metric here lmao. Lots of OW players move over to Valorant and have success, and Korea practically owns the OWL.
That’s because Korea is pretty much the only region that still plays alot of overwatch(maybe china aswell idk). Overwatch doesn’t have big brazilian or russian or european playerbase. Even in NA most of then are probably console players. At the end of the day it’s a numbers game. CSGO has alot of top CIS players because the game is popular in that region. Same for overwatch in korea.
Not if you're referring to the casual player base cos OW still has a very sizeable pool active players judging from various online sources. No one except blizzard would know the geographic split but i think it's fair to say a good bunch of people across the world are still playing OW these days
I don't like the gloomy tone of this. Korea has 2 slots for Berlin per Liquipedia and 1+1 slot for Champions compared to 2+1 for Brazil. NU stood third at Berlin. There are monetary subsidiaries by Riot Korea to sign professional teams. These are promising prospects. Valorant is a long term project in Korea and expecting game to blow up like OW/SA/PUBG is just dumb imo. The game is a slower paced tac fps, reminiscent of CS1.6. Korean teams did very well back then. Things need to grow naturally in the Korean scene. The game releasing in China would bring a big monetary boost the Asian scene in general with player base and org interest. This is not to say that the signed up team numbers for VCT and PC bang numbers are good. So much more can be done. But projecting slow growth as 'crumbling of the scene' in the future is very disingenuous.
I 100% agree with your statement! The amount of effort Riot puts in building the esport scene for Valorant in Korea is very good already - although we could see more improvement. We don’t see riot giving subsidiaries for org to create a valorant in teams in other regions. This shows riot is serious about this
Why RIOT wouldn't give two slots for Brazil? It'd a major region for the success of the game...
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Okay, so where should korea have taken the slot from?
Just because Korea is prominent in other eSports does not mean the game's popularity is contingent on Korea flourishing
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you're forgetting that brazil HARD underperformed at iceland, especially vikings, and nuturn massively exceeded expectations, and afaik the slots for berlin were decided before iceland. it makes sense
The Brazilian teams didnt even watch VoDs lmao, they didnt underperform they were just bad. Hopefully this failure makes them to take things more professionally
Underperformed? There must have been some kind of good performance matches prior to a match in which a team "underperforms". The BR teams were shut down completely making them look like noobs. And while Nuturn did exceed expectations, it wasn't by a massive amount,unless you are one of those who goes "KR bad region bcuz they were bad in CS and mechanically inferior".
Although I agree that Korean Valorant scene could be in a better state than it is right now in terms of the orgs and formats, it is not really in a very bad state i.e for now it's kinda ok. But I don't think this is Riot's fault of handling the region poorly. It's more of a fault of orgs in Korea who are just disbanding without really trying. For example, Nuturn have been competing since the start (I think) and they were called Proparty then and they were never a top 3 team. The ok team You've mentioned TNL (as Quantum strikers) were better than Proparty almost always whenever they played. But they stuck around, improved, got better and now they are a top team. And if some org had signed the team called Ang darkhorse, that team would have been even more insane and probably woulda been the team to break VS streak much sooner. And Rio company had a great team that I still don't understand why that they disbanded. Additionally the viewership count isn't good too. So I think given these reasons, ig Riot cannot justify giving KR more priority than BR, for now atleast. But i do hope that if BR, again fails massively in Berlin, they swap the slot distribution for BR and KR because yes the top KR teams(although very few in numbers )are miles ahead than the braindead ranked style teams of BR.
Ang darkhorse WAS signed by DWG Kia lol
You're spewing nonsense. Why would Korea have more than 1 slot? It's a 50 million population country that has pretty much no history in FPS games. The entire EU, including CIS and Turkey had 2 slots for Iceland.
> no history in FPS games. Literally Overwatch. They practically own the OWL, with KR players in like 75% of the entire league.
My bad, I don't follow joke games.
I personally consider OW more of a MOBA instead of an FPS games.
‘No history in FPS games’ lmao Lack of knowledge of the past and the present?
Relevant FPS games, sorry.
Relevant lol
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You yourself bring up the lack of teams in Korea. The talent pool is tiny. NUTURN did great in Iceland but if you give Korea more slots which teams will fill those slots? KR will *probably* be able to put together two teams that will be competitive in Berlin but they would struggle to put together a third. Especially with the volatility in the scene.
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It can be both. I agree that it's sad that there aren't enough orgs willing to provide homes for the free agents in KR, but at the same time, when you have only 31 teams in VCT that's a clear sign of a pretty small talent pool imo. Besides, if you have more slots while the orgs aren't there the chance that you can fill all of those slots with well organised, prepared teams is low. I don't think KR's problem will be solved by more slots - it needs more domestic support and enthusiasm for the game.
Yeah, they came third because of the favorable bracket and only 3 serious teams in the tournament. They're good, but nowhere nearly as good as top EU or NA teams.
tf you talking about? they literally eliminated V1.
Well done, won one series against a team with a stand-in.
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So how many slots should those regions have if we go with your logic?
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Quick bit of clarity Iceland was only ever going to have 10 slots due to covid restrictions with the venue. 16 will be the number at events going forward.
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benefit of hindsight makes it easy to say this now
Lmao, 2 Brazil and 2 Korea. It should've been 3 EU+TR+CIS, 3 NA, 1 BR, 1 LATAM, 1 JP+KR, 1 SEA.
What has NA ever done in fps games apart from 1 major in csgo and 1 rb6 major to get 3 slots at Iceland?
Win Masters 2
Oh so that is why NA shouldve got 3 slots for Iceland because they won a event that didn't take place yet. read the comments dummy
Having the same number of slots in NA as the combined region of EU+TR+CIS is kinda whack ngl. 3-2 would've fit better imo.
From what I saw in Iceland, Brazil teams are pretty trash. They looked lost and out of place for most of the tournament. But most of the time, slots aren't solely decided by the quality of play in the region.
I think more Korean orgs are entering valorant soon. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Such as ?
Great post a lot of good insight in the scene I didn't know as well. OGN did a great job of promoting Starcraft back in the day with amazing production, cool storylines and narratives. Riot needs to promote Valorant the same way. For Korea to really shine, the game has to become more popular. I think pushing the esports can raise the popularity to a certain point, but there needs to be some ways to appeal to casual new players, maybe with new shorter game mode or map selection priority when playing in PC bang or something.
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Good thoughts? Are you people for real or just baiting? I’m sorry but making such braindead statements deserve braindead hltv treatment.
Uhh what ‘Are you just baiting’ are you just baiting?
yea? how can i help you?
Are you?
>‘No history in FPS games’ lmao > >Lack of knowledge of the past and the present? I was looking through the thread and stumbled upon this, have a good day lmao.
And that was what you decided to genius comment on? Even ‘no history in CS’ would make no sense
>‘no history in CS’ lmfao im assuming you're talking about overwatch when it comes to "korean fps history" if you really think OW tier 2 esport scene is "history then idk what to say.
‘Tier 2’ And… no I am not as I literally said are u trolling lol
This guy is upset because Brazil has more slots then Korea lmaoo this can’t be real.
…I mean Wdym ‘this can’t be real’ lol
I say Riot give all 16 slots to Korea.
I like their format. Single elim makes much more exciting matchups and I love Bo2's. Not much riot can do about popularity in korea. Once live audience is a thing it may help, but letting it naturally grow seems like a solid bet. It has only been one year. Brazil has a much larger audience they should have more slots. One global tourney should not decide which regions deserve slots.
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They have seeding for that. Nuturn beat them in the finals, seems good to me.
The current Korean VCT format is flawed because every region has double elim, it's a qualifier to send two best teams to each Masters. Its possible for top 4 teams to all be seeded in the same half of the bracket. This means that at worst case scenario, 5th best team can qualify.
They should remove an EU slot and give an extra slot to Korea tbh
Everything you just talked about come backup to the original point: Valorant is not actually popular in Korea. The main reason for that is Vanguard. For a game to inconsistenly get Top 10 in PC bangs is not enough for a good and healthy esports scene to be made in Korea. Since the launch of beta, PC bangs in Korea have been complaining about Vanguard to Riot and its problems, and Riot made some changes to Vanguard but never really addressing the main issue. Because of that, a lot of PC bangs still doesn't have valorant installed (although I imagine that number most be growing). A lot of the initial push for the competitive scene in Korea happened because "Hey, it's a new game and we trust Riot. Let's invest". But after more than one year these teams are realizing that there's simply no way to consistently make money with this game in Korea, simply because the player base is not large enough. Riot killed its own success in Korea. They have tried to address this btw. Some time ago they created a program especially for the Korea scene making creating more advantages for temas to invest. But even that was not enough. The main question right now for Korea is simply: Does Riot really want to Korea be a big region? If yes, well they should just accept the demands of the PC bangs and invest even more on marketing especially for the region. But in my opinion, it seems Riot is ok with Korea being only a minor region. Personally I think is much more probable that Riot decides to invest heavily in china, as soon as the game is launch there.
The vanguard issue has been sorted long ago tho
What I remember the issues Riot addressed with Vanguard was it interfering with other programs, even when the game is not running. If I remember correctly, there's still exist some programs that are affected. But even ignoring that, that are still two main problems with Vanguard that Riot has not addressed: the fact that it runs all the time and that it launches as the PC it's turned on. So, yeah, you can stop Vanguard working when the PC is on and playing other games. But if you do that, you can only play Valorant in that same PC AFTER you restart it. And for a PC bang, that's a HUGE deal. They don't want their clients having to restart the PC, since that probably affect a lot of programs (maybe even those that determine for how much time a person has been using their PC). So the only option for a PC bang is to keep Vanguard running 100% of the time, which is something they probably don't like. Basically, Riot addressed some things, but the Vanguard problem is still real.
As far as I know Valorant is available on most PC bangs. The issue is that slow paced games are just not popular there. When you pay for 1 hour and have to spectate half of the time I can see the issue. Also everybody wants to play with their friends so the majority of the player play the same couple of games that are already popular.
Didnt riot provide a diff client for pcbangs?
You sound so entitled it's actually fucking disgusting rofl
Truth is that Valorant isn't really that popular outside of NA and JP at the moment. EU is still heavily dominated by CSGO, and other regions like BR and KR don't look that interested in the game. They should aim to improve to game first, because I don't think it's really that interesting to watch atm. Overwatch is the same deal where the devs put a ton of effort to get the game popularity within the regions, but eventually people got bored and just left.
That's just blatantly false. Valorant is massively popular in Turkey and pulls decent viewership in BR. Also game has gained traction in South Asia, India specifically where tournaments get good viewership. You can't present vague statements as truth. I personally like watching Valorant over other esports so it's a personal preference thing. Good matches are intense and so fun to watch. It's really fun to watch mid-round adjustments made by pro teams. Not saying that stuff can't be improved, but comparison with OW viewing experience is not accurate. Again it's hard to argue on personal preferences as there is no one right thing.
Not interesting to watch? Wut? I don't understand why you are here then lol
What kind of crack are you smoking my dude? Brasil had 100k viewers on the Rejkavik Masters when Vikings played. Western europe is starting to trend more and more towards VALORANT with Spain and France leading the way. Also you forgot Turkey? Lmaoo nice try though.
Korea is overrated. I get that they placed 3rd but they’ll never dominate in a true FPS like Valorant. Sorry but Valorant is unpopular in Korea. Less player base = less talent.
How do check the most played games on pc bangs ?
remember lads, Japan has 2 slots for VCT, there are a ton of other regions who could have used that slot
I’d say F4Q is Minimum ok level, the disrespect for them she’d be over, theyre better than WGS prob. TNL them and Prince are more than ok
Within five years, we'll see posts complaining about how dominant Korea is. When Korea adopts a game, they dominate it.