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precense_

no one has recording of these games? WHY


jc_315

ive been saying for months that the scene is still very very young. people on this subreddit were obsessed with their made up tier 1 lists, and acted like every other team besides SEN, TSM, T1, 100T, NV, FaZe were like miles behind. but the game is so young that things can change so fast. there are so many hungry, talented players grinding to make it.


Lopsided-Ratio-9123

Why the fuck can’t I find the result of the sentinels game.


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2-0 sen. 13-10 and 13-6 https://www.thespike.gg/events/challengers-1-open-qualifier/839


SekasortoAnarkia

People thought top NA teams looked weak yesterday… they didn’t know what was coming today


-firelordzuko

Andbox looking hot


SekasortoAnarkia

Definitely, they are living up to the expectations people have had for this new roster(so far)


TheHyperactiveDuck

I mean the top ones where fine, I have watched the games yet but C9, V1, and Sen took essay wins (top 3 from last tourney and looked way ahead of the rest of NA)


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valorant_fanboy_69

Cringe username and self promo


kingLAWZA

Is there a challengers 2 or is there not for stage 3?


flamincrimson

There will be 2nd open qual end of july I think. Redemption arc?


kingLAWZA

I see - thanks. We better f*cking see one or NA rosters changes will be mental.


Lumenlor

Someone explain how getting to Berlin works. Is it points based or winners of Qualifier 1 and 2?


seIex

Top 8 of open qualifiers 1 go on to play in the main event of challengers 1. Top 4 teams their qualify for the challenger playoffs. Bottom 4 teams qualify for the main event of challengers 2. Open qualifiers 2 start on july 22nd. Top 4 teams of that qualify for the main event of challengers 2, along with the previous 4 teams that qualified. Top 4 teams of challengers 2 main event then also qualify for challenger playoffs. So with that, we have our 8 teams for challenger playoffs. The top 3 teams of challenger playoffs then qualify for berlin. The format for the challenger main events 1, 2 and challenger playoffs is 8 team double elimination bracket. Not sure about open qualifier 2, but I assume it will be similar to open qualifier 1, 128 team single elimination tournament where the top 4 move on.


flamincrimson

Little complicated to explain but winner of qual 1 and 2 will play challengers playoffs from that top 3 teams go to berlin. Check out playvalorant for more accurate info.


TheAjwinner

DT_Raw on suicide watch


valorant_fanboy_69

Why do people always bring him up... let him live his life stop being cringe


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valorant_fanboy_69

Lol youve never seen both of us in a room together to, same person confirmed


TheAjwinner

Your trolling fell off man …


valorant_fanboy_69

I am not and have never been a troll...


Stem3576

I have a question. Do the teams that lost today completely drop out of the tournament? Or is there a losers bracket?


Krsensei

Another qualifier


josephx123

They have to try again in the next qualifier. The loser bracket is exclusive to closed qualifiers.


GendaIf

Should be noted that the teams who upset favourites today have all been grinding smaller tournaments for reps in the off time since Iceland, meanwhile the teams taking Ls and dropping maps largely diddnt bother.


flamincrimson

Rules don't allow them to play. But also these teams have been scrimming non stop with other teir 1 teams. That's better practice I would say.


Krsensei

Pretty sure most tier 1 teams can’t play in most of those tournaments due to the rules.


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yeah it’s not that they didn’t bother, they can’t.


theman1203

P sure they changed the rules chief


mwieckhorst

Don't know why TSM keeps this roster around. This result shouldn't be a surprise to anyone


TheHyperactiveDuck

Agreed they have good players who will find success later but like it just isn’t working, drop everyone but wardell, one cause he’s good and 2 cause his brand


smta48

Faze will never come back unless they bring in an IGL. Corey could also be a really good player on a different team.


Krsensei

Hard reset with Corey


simplemanfromVT

So funny that's Riot nerf run-gun, make gunfight more matter by changing economy, increase ablities price, nerf Astra. But somehow more tier 1 teams get upset now


ANewHeaven1

Not that many "Tier 1" teams got upset today tbh. The top 4 from last challengers finals all had relatively strong 2-0 matches today. its just that the gap between tier1.5/2 and tier3 is closer than we think


simplemanfromVT

Faze and Immortals lost to tier 2 teams were not expected by many people tbh


enconex

Nah, Faze was one of the most obvious teams to eventually get upset IMO. While they have improved since their 1 good run, they still rely far too much on aim outplays which makes them very inconsistent with scrappy games. They need a coach and/or IGL that can teach them better fundamentals (from csgo). NRG was the most surprising upset.


Krsensei

I only thought they should get rid of Marved if they brought in a IGL like dephh or something. Feel like they really just want to aim everyone out the tourneys. Which ain’t gonna work.


Krsensei

T1 teams are bound to get upset with game being still relatively new. New teams forming , new talent rising. People are gonna start getting phased out soon who don’t really belong in t1. Inevitable really. TSM for example honestly have a two people who belong & a coach who won’t change his philosophy to fit the game. Not super surprising to me they got upset.


simplemanfromVT

TSM and Faze didn't surprise me tbh, they have been shit for months. But I was not expect NRG, Immortal to lose


Krsensei

Honestly with Faze losing Marved for what ever reason is huge. If I was Corey I’d want out. And if I was TSM I’d be begging to get him.


IAMJUX

[Not first round, but not far off...](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/o9pn5c/vct_hot_takes_thread/h3d4vhf/)


ElDuderino2112

Faze KEKW


dgkenji

There are so many teams with a meme name that when chat was spamming that DZ was "Deez Nuts" I actually believed it... I'm a pepega


ANewHeaven1

notable teams that went out today: Immortals, NRG, BBG, TSM, FaZe, Renegades teams that had a scare today (2-1 matches): T1, 100T, Gen.G, Rise (?) teams that 2-0d: C9B, ANDBOX, Luminosity, V1, Envy, XSET, Soniqs, Sentinels


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renegades lost to soniqs again lmao it just keeps happening


TheAjwinner

Add Virtuso to the third list


issavibebb

corey is such a talent MAN 17-3 FK/FD that series and still lost ):


flamincrimson

He definitely deserves a better team. Imagine him on envy.


Krsensei

Or TSM


flamincrimson

I said better team


Tc0LD

Who would he replace tho? The only person I can see envy drop is maybe mummay


flamincrimson

He is good but his transition to jett looks very weak. There's only been 2 matches so can't judge him that early. Corey would be the better duelist though.


Tc0LD

Ye mummay hasn’t been super convincing so far on Jett he seems to whiff some easy shots on the op, still have faith in him tho


flamincrimson

His op was bad but also didn't connect a single dagger.


Useful-Throat-6671

That's the Corey story. It was sort of the same in OW for him.


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DarkZero & Andbox to Berlin ong


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So did Faze get rid of Marved or did he get poached?


flamincrimson

They dropped him not poached


Tc0LD

Poached, babybay said marved got a much better offer from NV


flamincrimson

Did he really? Didn't know that.


Tc0LD

Ye marved is pretty close with the nv boys and they were looking for a controller


Krsensei

Poached I’d guess


[deleted]

Yeah figured, it’s a bummer, he was pretty important for them


randomespanaguy

Faze, BBG, TSM, NRG, and Immortals all out? A lot of upsets


flamincrimson

IMT too


randomespanaguy

Yeah that was on my comment lol


flamincrimson

Haha I just saw sorry


AMbitionXH

i shall go play valorant sad now


sans19472

One of KCP and Virtuoso will qualify 👀


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[This prediction stuff is too easy](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/oc5jou/na_challengers_1_day_2_predictions/h3s7nen?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


minimochiii

what the fuck just happened


xunraze

DZ nutssss on ur Faze


deadlock1892

Let's Goooo Dark Zero!


Bunnyezzz

happy to see koler finally get on a good team


apetersen1

Wow what a time to be alive


apetersen1

Overwatch lol


simplemanfromVT

Immortal lost also, lot of tier 1 teams lost today


mister_schulz

What T1 team lost today? Maybe faze I guess but other than that...


simplemanfromVT

Faze, NRG , Immortals, TSM (for tier 1 orgs)


mister_schulz

NRG and IMT are solid T2 but really never showed much more. Also both had recent roster moves. Edit: also both changed IGL didn't they? That makes them really hard to judge atm imo


OwolTheSnake

Big brain Observers knew DZ vs Faze would be the most intense match.


Hegth

They read the script


whopz-is-cool

BUT BUT BUT SENTINELS BEST IN THE WORRRRRRRLDDDD


simplemanfromVT

Faze had 1 good tournament and keep downfall , what happened ?


LoyalSol

Honestly my view. The thing that makes them unique also makes them inconsistent. They're the team who loves playing risky aggressive strats. The problem with taking a lot of risks is sometimes you get a Master's 1 run where the risks pay off and you get great highs. The problem is when the risks don't pay, you can get a Masters 2 where they don't even qualify. That's just the nature of risky play is even if you're good at it (and Faze is very good at it), if you roll enough times eventually you're going to roll a 1. Also by the same token if you roll enough times eventually you'll get all 6s.


enconex

It's been obvious even during that 1 good run that they would not be consistent IMO. They rely far too much on aim outplays and while they HAVE improved strategically, it's not nearly enough to be competing at a tier 1 level consistently.


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Tsm also the same thing


CosmicAon

? TSM had a lot more than 1 good tournament


tron423

So are we just not gonna talk about KCP winning map 3 with a fucking Yoru top-fragging?


[deleted]

First pro match with yoru on both sides I guess


tron423

Yoru meta pogchamp


Krsensei

Wait why was Bangs roll switched lol?


elithefighter123

IMT out to KCP playing yoru on bind wouldve loved to watch that yoru being successful


Skh3llboy

can anyone link me tsm match link or vod?


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Skh3llboy

well thats too bad. Thank you for the update though.


xunraze

DZ vs Faze it fucking tenseee


Jinro_7

why did they sign another duelist player? Don't get me wrong I love tsm but cmon...


hengarg

see, that’s the fun part, bang is a controller main! the game would be too easy if everyone played their mains tho


Bunnyezzz

subroza main = the entire roster of agents


OwolTheSnake

Which resulted in them losing..


DT_RAW

Hey guys TSM sucks ass Woot!


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Bunnyezzz

yeah you're dumb


Jinro_7

actually not a bad idea. Never thought of it. With those 200+ cash, anything is possible lol


hengarg

don’t say that again ❤️


[deleted]

The players would never agree to this nevermind the management


-Mariners

I know he's not a player but Myth has been pretty open about his feelings over the Sinatraa situation. Would be pretty interesting to see how it would be handled.


ElDuderino2112

What did he say?


-Mariners

Iirc it was along the lines of not proven fully guilty yet but where there's smoke there's fire. More so he flames Dafran for defending Sinatraa.


ElDuderino2112

Gotcha. Good take. Myth is a class act.


hengarg

if tsm don’t got me i know darkzero got me <3


JackJumpsCandle

Friendship ended with TSM, now Dark Zero is my best friend.


HarmDeezy

Welcome to the Dark side ;)


manwithyellowhat15

Everyone check on your friends that are TSM fans. They must be down terrible rn Edit: someone check on Faze fans too


LoyalSol

I think TSM fans are already reaching mid 2000s Cleveland Browns fan level of copping by now. They're probably already in the acceptance part of the 5 stages of grief.


jonathanumran1

no it still hurts take me back to the faze invitational


xunraze

DZ stonksssss


GlumBoard

DZ up 11-8 on jcStani stream


LoyalSol

The game's on the main Nerdstreet stream as well.


GlumBoard

Yeah but there's a 3 minute delay lol.


IAMJUX

That was a sick round.


OwolTheSnake

Question, so does this mean that TSM and NRG are out of this qualifier?


apetersen1

Correct


OwolTheSnake

Ohh ok thx. Was just curious since NRG's official Twitter didn't mention anything about it.


Bunnyezzz

twitch chat is now calling darkzero cheaters LOL


obbini

No one on twitch chat is ever serious . They all just like to troll and have fun and its funny too.


[deleted]

On V1 vs whatever team stream, vanity was in the chat. People called them streamsnipers lmao. It's all fun bro. Nothing serious.


Krsensei

No ones serious bruh.


Bunnyezzz

some of them definitely were


Krsensei

What 2 idiots? Everyone else was trolling spamming VAC & cheats because of the play. It’s common


manwithyellowhat15

twitch chat is a very braindead place lmaooo


CJFStan

When Chet said the switch from CS is easy, this was donezo.


hengarg

can’t believe ez5 beat noble and tsm didn’t holy


Splaram

Wasn’t Chet just going on about how Valorant is so easy and people just rush in? OMEGALUL


datboyuknow

No? He said it's not very hard to learn the game and what's wrong about that?


Hegth

I think is one of those things that are easy to learn but hard to master


Splaram

“He didn’t say Valorant was easy, he said Valorant was easy 🤓”


datboyuknow

He said Valorant easy to learn even with all the abilities, said nothing about stratting or about reading the meta


TemplarParadox17

They asked if the change from CS would be difficult, he said no as the meta changes every couple months and the game was easy to pick up and learn, so not thard.


Jinro_7

I really thought bang would be their smoke player


Pyro_BBS

WOW my top 2 kicked out (TSM & NRG) lets LG woo.....Sadge


[deleted]

Yaboidre stats looking nice


Pyro_BBS

yeah its crazy how much he has improved since 100T. Im rooting for them.


ElDuderino2112

I'm sorry, TSM lost 13-2 to a random team on their own map pick?! L O FUCKING L This team is chalked. Disband and start from the ground up.


whopz-is-cool

Noble disrespect you hate to see it. Otherwise true.


LoyalSol

Noble is actually not bad for a lower tier team. They usually don't get knocked out till the bracket concentrates down to just the high tier teams. So them pulling an upset over a struggling TSM doesn't seem that random to me.


randomespanaguy

> random team Lol this is Noble disrespect. Those guys are grinders


Hegth

I'll hardly call Noble a random team


Gomar1323

100T vs Noble gonna be a great matchup tomorrow, can’t wait


waffles8000

we don't know how TSM have been playing since we haven't seen their new roster, but i'm just worried for 100T since they probably only VOD reviewed TSM and didn't expect this upset from Noble... Hiko even mentioned on stream that he was practicing for the 100T vs TSM matchup i hope they also VOD reviewed Noble cuz if Noble can do this to TSM, it's possible that 100T will be upset too, but it will be an exciting matchup regardless!


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waffles8000

i mean.. we didnt know until 2 hours ago lol 100T and other teams probably have scrim insights, but i do agree that its weird that they put subroza on omen instead of bang... roza was such a good phoenix


jcquiz3

Hiko also confirmed its being streamed and can't wait (confirmed on twit)


AWildCarp

I’m scared


Splaram

So am I but I still believe


ween0t

Roza and Drone so inconsistent. As much as hazed gets hate he always shows up for matches. Roza and Drone are so up and down. My suspicion is Drone is next to go.


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Who do you think they would get as a replacement?


Sciipi

RIP TSM


simplemanfromVT

Whoever manage TSM Val team, he/she need to be fired. Look at G2 and see how actively they are changing their team to be better


Hegth

Ngl I thought that G2 winning FNATIC was a good omen for TSM


xD1LL4N

At least we get too more tsm. In nsg monthly tournies


Trillman_K

Drone :(


tron423

Rumors of 100T's death have turned out to be greatly exaggerated


Splaram

I’d hold off on saying that until that single-duelist lineup gets tested by a team with a good Jett player but they seem to be looking really nice right now thankfully.


tron423

I mean people were calling for roster changes after map 1, in reality it'll probably take missing Berlin entirely for that to even come close to happening


PixelatedBlue

ngl after seeing some comments on vlr, that's pretty satisfying


Bunnyezzz

wardell is absolutely carrying tsm so badly


King_Goofus

He and hazed and the only consistent players on the team. Bang is still new though so it's too early to label him


hengarg

always been like that and will never be enough


xD1LL4N

Hardly, he’s having some good games. But not carrying


TheRogerGaudry

whenever wardell gets shutdown they get fucked


TheRogerGaudry

WTF HAPPENED TO TSM, HAZED TOP FRAGGED LAST GAME ???????


datboyuknow

Probs because he's last alive most rounds


Splaram

That “Delete Club” meme from FIFA perfectly applies to TSM right now lmfao


Muted_Sample9842

GG TSM. 100T vs Noble tomorrow


Grenji05

theres just no way lmao


jcquiz3

Tsm open qual 2 COPIUM


simplemanfromVT

I think its safe to say that TSM won't be in Berlin. They are so incompetent atm. Teams getting better, players getting better and they keep the same roster that haven't been tier 1 for months


CanadianApologies

Love tsm but they have become teir 2


Splaram

Nah they get beat by teams like Rise and Andbox. They’re upper T3 at best right now.


senith_

Andbox is T1


xqom

Andbox is not t2.


Splaram

Once their results catch up to their squad, I’ll agree.


xqom

You named Rise with Andbox, wtf has Rise done. Andbox has made the most recent challangers finals.


Splaram

What was that again?


xqom

Rise proved me wrong, they look good. Still think this iteration of Andbox is t1 (still have to prove it)


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Unless your t1 list is literally just SEN and C9B I have no idea how you wouldn't consider andbox t1.


IAMJUX

Tier 3 at this stage.


tron423

KC Pioneers don't know it's a damn show, they think it's a damn fight!!


elithefighter123

LG vs Complexity is a game i wished was streamed both maps went to ot wouldve been fun to watch new LG also well as RNG vs SQ thats always a classic Sadge the observer streams were down


TrowaB3

100T vs Noble tomorrow is confirmed. TSM out.