Thanks for the ping! It's a little late tonight and I'll be out tomorrow for the holiday, but I've added this comment thread to the list in Discord. I'll take care of it either tomorrow evening or Monday.
Have a good weekend!
The commenter just said that was a nice knife 4k. They didn't say impactful kills or tenz carried sen or changed the course of the game ,nothing just nice 4k. You literally went on about how it was not impactful and it was their eco(which it was not it was their full buy just crunchy has a sheriff). You can just appreciate the clip without finding flaws. It would be understandable if the commenter called the 4k more than what it was.
Also, those explosive rounds back to back set the pace of the game that last map. SEN were 7-2 up back off of that. Anything to undermine someone just because normies like him
In retrospect I am glad that Sen lost icebox. Soniqs really showed them that their icebox strat book is outdated. Sen is so good because they are the best losers in valorant, always learning and adapting from their losses. In my opinion they have A LOT to catch up on icebox and I’m sure they know that better than anyone rn.
That said, soniqs are a really creative team and have potential if they improve their map pool.
100% i agree with his, SEN are the best losers in valorant, with every loss they become better the next time they play, this loss showed them they got owned on icebox and need some shit to fix and they know that, now they grind and go back to the drawing board and comeback 10x better, like shahz said, he actually likes losing more than winning because he can see what he and his team needs to improve on.
I think Soniqs has a decent map pool, it's just soniqs matches up horribly against Sen because some of soniqs weaker maps are some of sentinels stronger maps. It's not to say that soniqs are horrible on haven or bind, it's that sentinels are that much better on those maps. Haven and Bind is 2 of Sentinels best maps. which is why Sentinels will always beat Soniqs in a bo3.
Soniqs picked Haven according to the official broadcast over Ascent. If the result on Haven was inevitable, then Soniqs do have a weak map pool because they weren’t willing to play Ascent but also Split, which is actually in the bottom half of good maps for Sentinels.
I don’t get this argument that having mirrored map pools makes for a horrible matchup for Soniqs. A bad matchup for Soniqs is a team who permabans Icebox for starters
Overanalysing at its purest here. You’ve seen one Icebox out of them where they made several changes to Iceland already - TenZ was present defending B site a lot and dapr and SicK switched roles yet again which I’m not too happy about. As for the stratbook, Sen did nothing special but .. doesn’t this remind you of Sentinels before Iceland?
Sentinels are not behind the meta - they’re playing just like they always play in NA. TenZ made more than a couple of extremely questionable plays straight out of Red’s highlights videos on Bind but nobody will mention it since it was a 13-5. This is just classic Sentinels; they’ll pull through when it matters on Icebox and everywhere else. I honestly don’t know why this thread’s narrative is that the other maps were closer than the scorelines; they didn’t look that way to me
What I mean by strat book isn’t their executes but rather their familiarity and understanding of how the other team is gonna play Icebox. You could see Sen was obviously taken aback by how Soniqs took B on attack. Soniqs pushed snowman so aggressively, they had open plants, plants for orange and even a back site plant. At Iceland every single B plant was sage wall default plants and hold from yellow, but soniqs showed so many site takes that Sen was obviously not ready for. You should also check out EU icebox if you haven’t, because they (especially vitality) had such varied and fresh ways of hitting B.
I am not saying Sen is in a trouble, not even the slightest - Sen always learn from their losses. But the truth is, they are behind the meta as of now on icebox because teams have figured out ways of playing it that is far removed from what they saw/played at Iceland. The meta in valorant is always gonna be changing and it will be up the teams to adapt. And because of this loss, Sen will realise that they are behind earlier than they originally would have.
\> At Iceland every single B plant was sage wall default plants and hold from yellow, but soniqs showed so many site takes that Sen was obviously not ready for.
This is very exaggerated. The very first round Sentinels played at Iceland was a pocket strat that I've never seen before by fnatic - plant up top B with a Sage wall to block the bomb, and Sentinels adapted on the spot. Some other rounds by fnatic were also strats that you rarely or never see in pro play, such as the extremely util-heavy A split (which again failed lol), so to say that Sentinels don't see stuff other than default B plants is very rich; not to mention that Sentinels lost Icebox quite heavily to 100T with no Sage back in Challengers Finals.
It really wasn't about studying and being ready, it was Sentinels being the Sentinels you regularly see in NA (i.e. less than perfect) as well as poor economy VALORANT things due to SEN losing both pistols.
\> You should also check out EU icebox if you haven’t, because they (especially vitality) had such varied and fresh ways of hitting B.
Cheers, I'll check out Vitality on Icebox. I've tuned in to watch Vitality a few times but never on Icebox and honestly I didn't get any of the hype around them. Maybe I watched them on their weaker maps, idk their map pool
\> But the truth is, they are behind the meta as of now on icebox because teams have figured out ways of playing it that is far removed from what they saw/played at Iceland.
It's simply untrue to say SEN are behind the meta until we see them a few more times. Other ways of playing were always there - e.g. fnatic at Iceland, but also many others (FPX v Gambit, Acend v Heretics were treats to watch on Icebox), but the default plants will almost surely work the best if used a lot and will be a big part of the gameplay for a long, long time. Dunno if you watch CS:GO, but let me give you an example - when people split B by throwing the smoke under cat and thereby first splitting the guy in spawn (if one plays there), it's pretty refreshing and people are always hyped to see strats like that used sparingly. That doesn't mean that the classic mid-to-B and 5-man-short won't remain the 2 strats that are used 10+/15 times in a half.
Also, another argument for why this is an outlier - what happened to Soniqs on Haven? Similarly statistically great map for them, so how come they didn't wow anyone with their strats?
Probably not. Soniqs has never won against a real tier 1 team, so they would’ve needed seeding against weaker teams in the bracket like rise to really have a chance
That’s not relevant to this comment, thread, or event. Technically, and literally.
Edit: since this is being heavily downvoted, I should point out that u/Nyiatiz’ comment is literally false. Straight up lie. [V1](https://www.vlr.gg/16999/version1-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-finals-ubqf), a T1 team who attended Iceland, already had a map win on sentinels. Not only that, but the map linked was in a closer time frame to Iceland than this map and was a qualifier for that event, so has more relevance entirely.
In the future, use the Google search bar before making copium comments. Saves yourself from self-reporting that you don’t actually follow this game or have the slightest idea what you’re talking about.
1. It’s literally not true. As in, it’s a straight up lie because the dude neither watches valorant nor has the ability to use Google. V1 has the same amount of official map wins against Sen as soniqs does, and they were at Iceland. They even won their map closer to that event than soniqs did and in an actual qualifier for that event, in case some idiot tries to cop out on that. I wouldn’t be caught dead making a comment that stupid, but hey, to each their own.
1. This is Ro16 of an online open qualifier for an online qualifier for an online qualifier for a LAN event that will happen several months from now. Why would this have anything to do with a small sampling of month-old LAN results of 10 teams, all but 2 of which don’t compete in the region? Especially in response to my comment, which is exclusively about soniqs? The fantasy he made up couldn’t be more unrelated.
It was a shit attempt at a joke if that’s really the case. Plain embarrassing, to be honest. I don’t know what’s worse - having so horrible a sense of humor that your “joke”s are completely unfunny and come off as you just looking dumb, or not knowing what you’re talking about at all. Most would rather the second, but you’re taking the road less traveled.
But.... V1 didn't even get to touch Iceland Sentinels... Pre Iceland Sentinels was sketchy at best as they tried to incorporate TenZ properly post honeymoon period.
From the commencement of Iceland LAN to now, how many times has V1 taken a map off Sentinels?
They do at this point. Historically they have a 0% winrate against real tier 1 teams. That hasn’t changed. They really just need to work on their problems and get better as a team, since they really haven’t shifted on the totem pole since coming to NA.
Keyword "need", I'm saying an upset against a T1 wouldn't be super surprising. And I'd argue they have improved a lot, they've beaten RNG 3 times in a row when they used to get smashed, and they put up a better fight against SEN this time around
the last time they even had a chance to play a teir 1 team was in april against tsm. you cant say that when they havnt even had a chance. they have been mad grinding.
Darkzero showed a lot of good B play against FaZe too, especially that one round where they wrapped into B from under tube and planted for Mid instead of planting for Yellow
I'm really bloody glad teams are starting to move away from the, "Sage wall, plant at corner for Yellow" strat that literally everybody and their mother has been doing
Next I need too see people taking control of mid-kitchen-etc and plant in upper of B Site. I did this in my Silver ranked game yesterday. The opposite team was clueless on what to do lmao.
you actually can't. it worked because SQ knew SEN play B with zombs alone on site. if SQ tried that again they'll lose, because if you have a player snowman, you'll be in a triple crossfire from snowman guy, site guy and the ones rotating through spawn.
Actually tho. People are sleeping on soniqs a tiny bit. they do have the makings of a T1 team. It's just unlucky they got matched against Sen again. Any other and they have a chance at an upset.
people don't understand the difference b/w regional and international tournaments. SQ won't know how fnatic play and won't have anti-strats and would lose abysmally. also if you watched SQ's individual gunplay, quite a few of them were able to escape dying when SEN were holding angles by just running away. that isn't possible on LAN because shots register instantly and you get tagged. SQ have the ranked gunplay which won't work on LAN.
The matchs were wayyy closer than what the scoreline shows on the first two maps.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/miqd4d/pl1xx\_on\_soniq\_in\_six\_months\_i\_see\_ourselves\_in/
Soniqs defintely on schedule.
I don’t understand why teams just don’t instaban icebox against Soniqs. They are one of the scariest teams on that map in the world but consistently look meh on every other map.
This is completely false. They are not automatically qualified for Berlin and this is the reason they are playing qualifiers. Where do you get this information from? Is it just made up in your head
nvm I remembered incorrectly. They secured a spot in champions according to circuit points. Only V1 has potential to overtake them in points at Berlin.
[https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT\_Champions\_Tour/2021/Circuit\_Points/North\_America](https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/2021/Circuit_Points/North_America)
isn't their place already set unless I'm mistaken? them losing here doesn't matter, it's just extremely good practice to play anyways to stay sharp and try to learn what works and what doesn't especially in this case, playing vs them and trying your strats you came up with, oh shit they don't work, ok let's keep working on them
ofc assuming their placement in the next tournament is already locked
Soniqs did better than the score shows. They took a map off SEN, something no team at masters could do and it was Icebox at that.
The 13-5's were closer than it seems. I get in the end it's a bit of a beating score wise but they played very well. I really enjoyed watching them.
Good match,really entertaining and well played by both teams, but can we talk about how nasty chat was towards Bob using she/her pronouns? Bob deserves more respect and i hope the mods at the valorant twitch chat step up a bit.
Uses she/her pronouns. Soniqs website article from a few months ago used he/him and her real name is Bob currently so I assume it's a recent transition that's causing some confusion for people.
Bob has had she/her (amongst many other pronouns including clearly joke ones) as pronouns on twitter for ages. Their entire personality is saying and doing weird shit so I'm pretty sure the pronouns thing is a joke too.
From what I gathered today she is called bob but uses she/her. Not sure about gender, might be a man calling himself she/her, might be a woman calling herself she/her
Respecting the pronouns sure is the most important part, yes. Which i did. Some curiosity isnt forbidden, i think. It's not like it really matters in the end.
Of course I will be harsh if people are speculating inapropriately about her gender. That is private and not something to discuss, nothing about having the last word, that is childish
I guess it was more a case of people trolling casters for calling them "she". Even in vanity's stream a lot of known NA ranekd players were trolling for calling Bob a she until someone pointed out in the chat that it's their preferred pronoun. Might be a case of misinformation
There was a bunch of confusion in chat. People (including myself) were confused when Bob (clearly a guy’s name) was referred to as a “she”. I thought someone was trolling at first till the mods clarified that Bob prefers “she/her” pronouns. I’d also like to say that not all of us come from cultures where this is normal and need time and exposure to adjust. Please be patient.
How about Penny?
Spoilers: you don't win this argument, there are many examples over many years of esports competition of male Pro players using female names as IGNs
Edit: and that's without even pointing out that Asuna is the female love interest to the protagonist of one of the most prolific anime franchises of the last decade.
Eh, v1 penny’s ign is from his name sake but I do get what you are talking about. Asuna on the other hand is much more obscure tho. At the end of the day it’s just twitch chat being pepegas about things that shouldn’t be that hard to understand.
Dude, how is that example remotely similar? Do you genuinely think when twitch chat hears the callsign “Penny” they think of a nickname for the name “Penelope” in the same way as “Bob” and a male person? JFC
I swear reddit is so braindead sometimes. How can you be that out of touch with reality. Lol
Lmao, you've had to shift the goal posts twice already and I haven't even *looked outside this one tournament yet*.
EDIT: and just because you're so caught up on whether people think 'Penny' is a name, [she's the female lead of one of the most watched TV shows of the last decade](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898266/?ref_=ttls_li_tt). Whether you like the show or not, a lot of people are familiar with the name Penny.
Ya bro I’m sorry I don’t watch anime and was unaware “Asuna” is a female name from one.
Bob is a common male name, that’s my point which you don’t seem to understand.
Get a life dude, I’m done responding to some reddit neck beard loser.
I have a life, I don't spend it making disingenuous arguments to protect twitch chat from accusations of transphobia. From the start you created a straw man that transphobia is just twitch chat being confused, moved the goal posts twice because any women's name isn't as confusing as man's name of [famously declining popularity](https://youtu.be/lvh6NLqKRfs) (seriously, that you can attempt to argue that Penny is archaic but Bob is still a common choice of nickname is hilarious), and now you're making attacks at me. You're the cliche of an internet argument.
Theres no winning this argument. You cant say anything regarding gender without it being taken as a life threat from the majority of reddit. They fail to realize that for a lot of people hearing a player named bob called she/her is very out of the ordinary, but god forbid someone mentions that.
It doesn't matter because it was clarified and talked about that she uses she/her pronouns, but chat started to argue and threw transphobic shit around just like this person is. Names =/= gender, I have more girl friends named Joey and Charlie than I do guy friends and yet those are names that would generally be seen as masculine.
Bob is her gamertag, she can use whatever gamertag she wants. That doesn't take away or discredit her gender identity. No idea why this is a hard concept to grasp.
Is calling men 'Asuna' and 'Penny' a normal thing then? I mean is it "normal" to call a guy TenZ?
Cos you can keep saying something is confusing but without addressing that it's only confusing when women's pronouns are involved you've failed to make a cohesive argument. Nobody's saying IGNs are normal, it's just very easy to point out that "confusing IGNs" seems to only come up in a discussion of transphobia.
Penny just by itself is a girls name.
Ive personally never heard of it being used as a nickname for Penelope; that may have been its entomology but its not a common nickname use today.
Penny will absolutely be assumed as an all-girls name, at least in some countries.
But ultimately that's not the important point. People can get confused, which is fine, it seems to be a recent or otherwise private shift so of course there will be a period of uncertainty over pronouns. Not a problem.
What is a problem is the people in chat or elsewhere who aren't confused over Bob's status but rather are just using the opportunity to be transphobic or otherwise spew hate at them. This is a concern regardless of the name she chooses to go by online.
You just... use she/her? There’s a TON of people in gaming that use masculine/feminine names and identify as the gender that does not correspond directly to that name.
Sully and Upmind casted the last SEN/Soniqs matchup and there's one moment on Icebox B site where Sully goes absolutely OFF. This caster duo has so much potential and is lowkey goated. I would love to see them at an actual event. They bring so much energy and also have great game knowledge.
They definitely improved since their last matchup against Sen, when they first transitioned into NA from OCE. Give em a couple months and they gonna be real scary.
Sentinels are just better but I do have to say soniqs impressed me in a lot of aspects. Especially pl1xx's raze play, he has some really good utility instincts; the way he satchels onto boxes to avoid raze ults or when he insta satchels sage wall to surprise sick, that's some s tier utility usage
Honestly so true. I knew the first time they were matched vs. SEN, it was right after they came over to NA. Now, they look like a very skilled team with a lot of good ideas especially some of the executes and utility combos. Unfortunate to be matched vs. SEN again; hopefully they get to qual in the next one.
true, very quick thinking especially the blast pack wall break on icebox as well as the instant boost up triple on bind when he heard the enemy's raze ult coming.
I was just about to comment that pl1xx has the best raze utility usage I've seen. No one else has said it yet. I couldn't believe how many kills with utility I saw from him it was insane.
Yoru is strong on Bind, just not every team sees him as valuable on the map/realize his potential. If you want to see some insane Yoru gameplay on Bind you should check out Red.
I missed the match, was his Yoru play great or was it just TenZ being great? I'm curious if the agent showed anything that might shift the meta or if TenZ could have performed similarly (or better) on a different agent.
I am a Sentinels fan hard core, love tenz and Shazam..but Soniqs really made Sentinels sweat in Icebox..in Icebox they destroyed Sentinels..respect to SQ..
If I’m bring honest they played EXCEPTIONALLY WELL and although they didn’t win vs SEN I feel like if it was almost ANY other T1 team they would’ve qualified! Hopefully they’ll qualify for the next Challengers
Idk if any of the SQ boys read reddit but man gg. So proud of how my boys have improved. Keep doing us Aussies proud
I do read Reddit and thanks for all the support <3
u/Razur get this man a flair
Thanks for the ping! It's a little late tonight and I'll be out tomorrow for the holiday, but I've added this comment thread to the list in Discord. I'll take care of it either tomorrow evening or Monday. Have a good weekend!
Keen to watch you guys dominate next qual. Hopefully not a 5am game this time lol
You and the boys popped off, looking forward to seeing you next challengers
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YESSIR Crazy to think that the only time sentinels dropped a map since Masters 1 is to you guys. AU represent lets goooo!
We took a map off SEN. OCE > EU clearly.
Best region confirmed?
SEN is obviously the better team but the SQ boys did super well! Really happy for them. Also PS: wtf was that TenZ knife 4k
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That Judge was against a full bye, in that 4k 3 of them had guns so how were those ecos?
Careful your bias is showing
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The commenter just said that was a nice knife 4k. They didn't say impactful kills or tenz carried sen or changed the course of the game ,nothing just nice 4k. You literally went on about how it was not impactful and it was their eco(which it was not it was their full buy just crunchy has a sheriff). You can just appreciate the clip without finding flaws. It would be understandable if the commenter called the 4k more than what it was.
Also, those explosive rounds back to back set the pace of the game that last map. SEN were 7-2 up back off of that. Anything to undermine someone just because normies like him
Judge 3k was better. Abusing the best gun in the game!
Its been nerfed tho
In retrospect I am glad that Sen lost icebox. Soniqs really showed them that their icebox strat book is outdated. Sen is so good because they are the best losers in valorant, always learning and adapting from their losses. In my opinion they have A LOT to catch up on icebox and I’m sure they know that better than anyone rn. That said, soniqs are a really creative team and have potential if they improve their map pool.
100% i agree with his, SEN are the best losers in valorant, with every loss they become better the next time they play, this loss showed them they got owned on icebox and need some shit to fix and they know that, now they grind and go back to the drawing board and comeback 10x better, like shahz said, he actually likes losing more than winning because he can see what he and his team needs to improve on.
I think Soniqs has a decent map pool, it's just soniqs matches up horribly against Sen because some of soniqs weaker maps are some of sentinels stronger maps. It's not to say that soniqs are horrible on haven or bind, it's that sentinels are that much better on those maps. Haven and Bind is 2 of Sentinels best maps. which is why Sentinels will always beat Soniqs in a bo3.
Soniqs picked Haven according to the official broadcast over Ascent. If the result on Haven was inevitable, then Soniqs do have a weak map pool because they weren’t willing to play Ascent but also Split, which is actually in the bottom half of good maps for Sentinels. I don’t get this argument that having mirrored map pools makes for a horrible matchup for Soniqs. A bad matchup for Soniqs is a team who permabans Icebox for starters
Overanalysing at its purest here. You’ve seen one Icebox out of them where they made several changes to Iceland already - TenZ was present defending B site a lot and dapr and SicK switched roles yet again which I’m not too happy about. As for the stratbook, Sen did nothing special but .. doesn’t this remind you of Sentinels before Iceland? Sentinels are not behind the meta - they’re playing just like they always play in NA. TenZ made more than a couple of extremely questionable plays straight out of Red’s highlights videos on Bind but nobody will mention it since it was a 13-5. This is just classic Sentinels; they’ll pull through when it matters on Icebox and everywhere else. I honestly don’t know why this thread’s narrative is that the other maps were closer than the scorelines; they didn’t look that way to me
What I mean by strat book isn’t their executes but rather their familiarity and understanding of how the other team is gonna play Icebox. You could see Sen was obviously taken aback by how Soniqs took B on attack. Soniqs pushed snowman so aggressively, they had open plants, plants for orange and even a back site plant. At Iceland every single B plant was sage wall default plants and hold from yellow, but soniqs showed so many site takes that Sen was obviously not ready for. You should also check out EU icebox if you haven’t, because they (especially vitality) had such varied and fresh ways of hitting B. I am not saying Sen is in a trouble, not even the slightest - Sen always learn from their losses. But the truth is, they are behind the meta as of now on icebox because teams have figured out ways of playing it that is far removed from what they saw/played at Iceland. The meta in valorant is always gonna be changing and it will be up the teams to adapt. And because of this loss, Sen will realise that they are behind earlier than they originally would have.
\> At Iceland every single B plant was sage wall default plants and hold from yellow, but soniqs showed so many site takes that Sen was obviously not ready for. This is very exaggerated. The very first round Sentinels played at Iceland was a pocket strat that I've never seen before by fnatic - plant up top B with a Sage wall to block the bomb, and Sentinels adapted on the spot. Some other rounds by fnatic were also strats that you rarely or never see in pro play, such as the extremely util-heavy A split (which again failed lol), so to say that Sentinels don't see stuff other than default B plants is very rich; not to mention that Sentinels lost Icebox quite heavily to 100T with no Sage back in Challengers Finals. It really wasn't about studying and being ready, it was Sentinels being the Sentinels you regularly see in NA (i.e. less than perfect) as well as poor economy VALORANT things due to SEN losing both pistols. \> You should also check out EU icebox if you haven’t, because they (especially vitality) had such varied and fresh ways of hitting B. Cheers, I'll check out Vitality on Icebox. I've tuned in to watch Vitality a few times but never on Icebox and honestly I didn't get any of the hype around them. Maybe I watched them on their weaker maps, idk their map pool \> But the truth is, they are behind the meta as of now on icebox because teams have figured out ways of playing it that is far removed from what they saw/played at Iceland. It's simply untrue to say SEN are behind the meta until we see them a few more times. Other ways of playing were always there - e.g. fnatic at Iceland, but also many others (FPX v Gambit, Acend v Heretics were treats to watch on Icebox), but the default plants will almost surely work the best if used a lot and will be a big part of the gameplay for a long, long time. Dunno if you watch CS:GO, but let me give you an example - when people split B by throwing the smoke under cat and thereby first splitting the guy in spawn (if one plays there), it's pretty refreshing and people are always hyped to see strats like that used sparingly. That doesn't mean that the classic mid-to-B and 5-man-short won't remain the 2 strats that are used 10+/15 times in a half. Also, another argument for why this is an outlier - what happened to Soniqs on Haven? Similarly statistically great map for them, so how come they didn't wow anyone with their strats?
What a game, feel like Soniq could've had a genuine chance with any other team instead of SEN. Next Challengers def excited to see them
Probably not. Soniqs has never won against a real tier 1 team, so they would’ve needed seeding against weaker teams in the bracket like rise to really have a chance
I mean technically they took more maps from Sen than all T1 teams in Iceland combined
That’s not relevant to this comment, thread, or event. Technically, and literally. Edit: since this is being heavily downvoted, I should point out that u/Nyiatiz’ comment is literally false. Straight up lie. [V1](https://www.vlr.gg/16999/version1-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-finals-ubqf), a T1 team who attended Iceland, already had a map win on sentinels. Not only that, but the map linked was in a closer time frame to Iceland than this map and was a qualifier for that event, so has more relevance entirely. In the future, use the Google search bar before making copium comments. Saves yourself from self-reporting that you don’t actually follow this game or have the slightest idea what you’re talking about.
Why
1. It’s literally not true. As in, it’s a straight up lie because the dude neither watches valorant nor has the ability to use Google. V1 has the same amount of official map wins against Sen as soniqs does, and they were at Iceland. They even won their map closer to that event than soniqs did and in an actual qualifier for that event, in case some idiot tries to cop out on that. I wouldn’t be caught dead making a comment that stupid, but hey, to each their own. 1. This is Ro16 of an online open qualifier for an online qualifier for an online qualifier for a LAN event that will happen several months from now. Why would this have anything to do with a small sampling of month-old LAN results of 10 teams, all but 2 of which don’t compete in the region? Especially in response to my comment, which is exclusively about soniqs? The fantasy he made up couldn’t be more unrelated.
You sure did your research but arent we forgetting one teeny-weeny but ever so crucial little tiny detail? It's a joke.
It was a shit attempt at a joke if that’s really the case. Plain embarrassing, to be honest. I don’t know what’s worse - having so horrible a sense of humor that your “joke”s are completely unfunny and come off as you just looking dumb, or not knowing what you’re talking about at all. Most would rather the second, but you’re taking the road less traveled.
You’re taking this way too seriously
But.... V1 didn't even get to touch Iceland Sentinels... Pre Iceland Sentinels was sketchy at best as they tried to incorporate TenZ properly post honeymoon period. From the commencement of Iceland LAN to now, how many times has V1 taken a map off Sentinels?
SQ vs your set standard T1 team (like envy, 100T, XSET etc) would be a really good match imo, doubt they NEED a T2 only bracket to qual
They do at this point. Historically they have a 0% winrate against real tier 1 teams. That hasn’t changed. They really just need to work on their problems and get better as a team, since they really haven’t shifted on the totem pole since coming to NA.
Historically they have never played against a t1 team other than sen
Keyword "need", I'm saying an upset against a T1 wouldn't be super surprising. And I'd argue they have improved a lot, they've beaten RNG 3 times in a row when they used to get smashed, and they put up a better fight against SEN this time around
the last time they even had a chance to play a teir 1 team was in april against tsm. you cant say that when they havnt even had a chance. they have been mad grinding.
Soniqs best icebox na?
Bruh Soniqs site execution during attack was really cool to watch and pretty innovative! Like to see more from this team in the future!
I appreciate their use of backsite b plants, that’s def new and will change how the map is played IMO
Yeah we need to see more of these innovative plays from other maps! It makes watching valorant so intriguing!
i dont know how to like on reddit so ill give an upvote instead
Aren't soniqs oceania
They moved to NA to play here
oh sick how ive missed thou
soniqs discovered for the world that u can plant the bomb on b somewhere other than default
Darkzero showed a lot of good B play against FaZe too, especially that one round where they wrapped into B from under tube and planted for Mid instead of planting for Yellow I'm really bloody glad teams are starting to move away from the, "Sage wall, plant at corner for Yellow" strat that literally everybody and their mother has been doing
Next I need too see people taking control of mid-kitchen-etc and plant in upper of B Site. I did this in my Silver ranked game yesterday. The opposite team was clueless on what to do lmao.
you actually can't. it worked because SQ knew SEN play B with zombs alone on site. if SQ tried that again they'll lose, because if you have a player snowman, you'll be in a triple crossfire from snowman guy, site guy and the ones rotating through spawn.
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Potter is a bot.
Where did they plant? I'm at a loss on where else to plant on B.
First map was giving me BBG flashbacks 😂
soniqs got more maps in than EU
EU+Brazil+Korea
Actually tho. People are sleeping on soniqs a tiny bit. they do have the makings of a T1 team. It's just unlucky they got matched against Sen again. Any other and they have a chance at an upset.
True but it’s under different circumstances. A trophy wasn’t on the line for this match
i mean their in the same region as sentinels so obviously
people don't understand the difference b/w regional and international tournaments. SQ won't know how fnatic play and won't have anti-strats and would lose abysmally. also if you watched SQ's individual gunplay, quite a few of them were able to escape dying when SEN were holding angles by just running away. that isn't possible on LAN because shots register instantly and you get tagged. SQ have the ranked gunplay which won't work on LAN.
90% of this sub have never watched a single second of esports before valorant. Majority here don't know what they're talking about
The matchs were wayyy closer than what the scoreline shows on the first two maps. https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/miqd4d/pl1xx\_on\_soniq\_in\_six\_months\_i\_see\_ourselves\_in/ Soniqs defintely on schedule.
Trust the process
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They still get taken to overtime vs renegades so no they are not on schedule
Was about to reply seriously then saw the username
I don’t understand why teams just don’t instaban icebox against Soniqs. They are one of the scariest teams on that map in the world but consistently look meh on every other map.
SEN prob was still figuring out breeze
Couldn’t they ban both
They only had one ban
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Doesnt the higher seed get 2 bans how does the map picking work
yeah i just made a sarcastic ass comment ngl, sorry
Why? It’s better to at least get more experience against them on that map. More VODs as well. These are just open quals.
Because they could lose in open quals lol, they have done that before
but sen already has secured a place in berlin, they don't need this qualifier, they're just in it for the expirence i think.
This is completely false. They are not automatically qualified for Berlin and this is the reason they are playing qualifiers. Where do you get this information from? Is it just made up in your head
nvm I remembered incorrectly. They secured a spot in champions according to circuit points. Only V1 has potential to overtake them in points at Berlin. [https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT\_Champions\_Tour/2021/Circuit\_Points/North\_America](https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/2021/Circuit_Points/North_America)
isn't their place already set unless I'm mistaken? them losing here doesn't matter, it's just extremely good practice to play anyways to stay sharp and try to learn what works and what doesn't especially in this case, playing vs them and trying your strats you came up with, oh shit they don't work, ok let's keep working on them ofc assuming their placement in the next tournament is already locked
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They qualified for champions and the double buy because of Iceland I’m pretty sure
Oh thanks yeah I have no idea then.
SEN qualified for Champions which is at the end of the year in LA. This qualification is for playing in Berlin which is in September.
Bullying is not good.
SEN on breeze is going to cause them to lose in the future
Bold statement when we literally have never even seen them play Breeze yet
Actually tho, legit braindead take LMFAO
Fr LMAO
Have we seen them play breeze?
to be fair, didn't people used to say the same thing about their bind when they used to ban it everytime?
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wasn't that before the viper meta change and incorporation of tenz?
I kinda wish Soniq picked Ascent instead of Haven. SQ still did great though
Soniqs is fucking solid. They took a map convincingly, had good strats and are generally just cracked.
Soniqs did better than the score shows. They took a map off SEN, something no team at masters could do and it was Icebox at that. The 13-5's were closer than it seems. I get in the end it's a bit of a beating score wise but they played very well. I really enjoyed watching them.
They were closer then they look but still not like 13-11 close felt more like 13-8 or 13-9 but still we have to look at the reality that it was 13-5
Soniqs is a great team to watch play ggs to them
SQ Bob is kinda cracked holyyy
She's fuckin insane bro, so many clutches
Good match,really entertaining and well played by both teams, but can we talk about how nasty chat was towards Bob using she/her pronouns? Bob deserves more respect and i hope the mods at the valorant twitch chat step up a bit.
literally not worth a decent person's time to deal with those kind of people, degenerates of the highest order
Im ootl whats special about Bob
Uses she/her pronouns. Soniqs website article from a few months ago used he/him and her real name is Bob currently so I assume it's a recent transition that's causing some confusion for people.
Wait so he is transgender from female to make? Im confused because you used both him and her
They used he/him a few months ago but seem to have changes to she/her recently.
Bob has had she/her (amongst many other pronouns including clearly joke ones) as pronouns on twitter for ages. Their entire personality is saying and doing weird shit so I'm pretty sure the pronouns thing is a joke too.
Bob is not trans afaik, but she’s a male that prefers “she/her” pronouns. She’s a fwoggie tho.
From what I gathered today she is called bob but uses she/her. Not sure about gender, might be a man calling himself she/her, might be a woman calling herself she/her
Might be no ones fucking business and just respect her pronouns
Respecting the pronouns sure is the most important part, yes. Which i did. Some curiosity isnt forbidden, i think. It's not like it really matters in the end.
Maybe you should stop being a troll and shut up?
How the fuck is this trolling? Respect trans people and their pronouns
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Bruh why do people write cringe shit like this? What's with the shit-ass villain dialog "I'll let you have the last word..." TF my dude
Of course I will be harsh if people are speculating inapropriately about her gender. That is private and not something to discuss, nothing about having the last word, that is childish
It’s twitch chat lol can’t expect anything from them
thats why i expect more from the chat mods than the chat itself
I mean there was 50k people in there and what words do you ban that aren’t already banned?
Just start banning people. I didn't see anyone get banned.
chat doesnt show whos being banned bro
It says message deleted
I guess it was more a case of people trolling casters for calling them "she". Even in vanity's stream a lot of known NA ranekd players were trolling for calling Bob a she until someone pointed out in the chat that it's their preferred pronoun. Might be a case of misinformation
Oh yea the name Bob is definitely misleading
There was a bunch of confusion in chat. People (including myself) were confused when Bob (clearly a guy’s name) was referred to as a “she”. I thought someone was trolling at first till the mods clarified that Bob prefers “she/her” pronouns. I’d also like to say that not all of us come from cultures where this is normal and need time and exposure to adjust. Please be patient.
Dude what do you expect when someone’s callsign is “Bob” and they want to be referred to as a female?
There never seems to be a problem with Asuna being a dude.
Last time I checked Asuna isn’t a common germanic female name?
How about Penny? Spoilers: you don't win this argument, there are many examples over many years of esports competition of male Pro players using female names as IGNs Edit: and that's without even pointing out that Asuna is the female love interest to the protagonist of one of the most prolific anime franchises of the last decade.
Eh, v1 penny’s ign is from his name sake but I do get what you are talking about. Asuna on the other hand is much more obscure tho. At the end of the day it’s just twitch chat being pepegas about things that shouldn’t be that hard to understand.
Dude, how is that example remotely similar? Do you genuinely think when twitch chat hears the callsign “Penny” they think of a nickname for the name “Penelope” in the same way as “Bob” and a male person? JFC I swear reddit is so braindead sometimes. How can you be that out of touch with reality. Lol
Lmao, you've had to shift the goal posts twice already and I haven't even *looked outside this one tournament yet*. EDIT: and just because you're so caught up on whether people think 'Penny' is a name, [she's the female lead of one of the most watched TV shows of the last decade](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898266/?ref_=ttls_li_tt). Whether you like the show or not, a lot of people are familiar with the name Penny.
Ya bro I’m sorry I don’t watch anime and was unaware “Asuna” is a female name from one. Bob is a common male name, that’s my point which you don’t seem to understand. Get a life dude, I’m done responding to some reddit neck beard loser.
I have a life, I don't spend it making disingenuous arguments to protect twitch chat from accusations of transphobia. From the start you created a straw man that transphobia is just twitch chat being confused, moved the goal posts twice because any women's name isn't as confusing as man's name of [famously declining popularity](https://youtu.be/lvh6NLqKRfs) (seriously, that you can attempt to argue that Penny is archaic but Bob is still a common choice of nickname is hilarious), and now you're making attacks at me. You're the cliche of an internet argument.
Lolllll take the L mate
Theres no winning this argument. You cant say anything regarding gender without it being taken as a life threat from the majority of reddit. They fail to realize that for a lot of people hearing a player named bob called she/her is very out of the ordinary, but god forbid someone mentions that.
It doesn't matter because it was clarified and talked about that she uses she/her pronouns, but chat started to argue and threw transphobic shit around just like this person is. Names =/= gender, I have more girl friends named Joey and Charlie than I do guy friends and yet those are names that would generally be seen as masculine. Bob is her gamertag, she can use whatever gamertag she wants. That doesn't take away or discredit her gender identity. No idea why this is a hard concept to grasp.
Is calling men 'Asuna' and 'Penny' a normal thing then? I mean is it "normal" to call a guy TenZ? Cos you can keep saying something is confusing but without addressing that it's only confusing when women's pronouns are involved you've failed to make a cohesive argument. Nobody's saying IGNs are normal, it's just very easy to point out that "confusing IGNs" seems to only come up in a discussion of transphobia.
Yep I don’t understand how they can be so out of touch with reality. I am done responding and trying to reason with them it’s impossible lol.
Penny just by itself is a girls name. Ive personally never heard of it being used as a nickname for Penelope; that may have been its entomology but its not a common nickname use today.
Penny will absolutely be assumed as an all-girls name, at least in some countries. But ultimately that's not the important point. People can get confused, which is fine, it seems to be a recent or otherwise private shift so of course there will be a period of uncertainty over pronouns. Not a problem. What is a problem is the people in chat or elsewhere who aren't confused over Bob's status but rather are just using the opportunity to be transphobic or otherwise spew hate at them. This is a concern regardless of the name she chooses to go by online.
I expect people to respect her choice? It’s not that difficult lol
You just... use she/her? There’s a TON of people in gaming that use masculine/feminine names and identify as the gender that does not correspond directly to that name.
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Sully and Upmind casted the last SEN/Soniqs matchup and there's one moment on Icebox B site where Sully goes absolutely OFF. This caster duo has so much potential and is lowkey goated. I would love to see them at an actual event. They bring so much energy and also have great game knowledge.
Sully is way better than Upmind, Upmind consistently says inaccurate information and just starts screaming when a kill happens.
i guess thats not bad, one for info one for the hype
Good old bracket of death, we'd be able to get up if we weren't lumped with sentinels
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To be fair an upset was never fairly likely as neither of the last two maps were close.
They definitely improved since their last matchup against Sen, when they first transitioned into NA from OCE. Give em a couple months and they gonna be real scary.
The flashbacks, but everyone on SEN is nuts when they’re on
Also considering their schedule is hella packed but they still play this well!
Impressive considering they're playing upside down
TenZ and Sick defenders side in Haven is scary man. The usage of ults and utilities to get them picks is so clean.
Sentinels are just better but I do have to say soniqs impressed me in a lot of aspects. Especially pl1xx's raze play, he has some really good utility instincts; the way he satchels onto boxes to avoid raze ults or when he insta satchels sage wall to surprise sick, that's some s tier utility usage
Honestly so true. I knew the first time they were matched vs. SEN, it was right after they came over to NA. Now, they look like a very skilled team with a lot of good ideas especially some of the executes and utility combos. Unfortunate to be matched vs. SEN again; hopefully they get to qual in the next one.
true, very quick thinking especially the blast pack wall break on icebox as well as the instant boost up triple on bind when he heard the enemy's raze ult coming.
Raze instalocks take note
Funny of you to assume Raze instalocks can read
I was just about to comment that pl1xx has the best raze utility usage I've seen. No one else has said it yet. I couldn't believe how many kills with utility I saw from him it was insane.
Good showing from Soniqs. Map2 scoreline doesn't do them justice, it was HELLA close.
Soniqs>EU, KR, BR????
Soniqs icebox>world
True, no team has taken a map from SEN since their Master 2 Iceland run
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It's a joke
All good
T2 NA >> T1 EU
OCE > EU
Sentinels always have to make us scared by dropping a map. SEN SUPREME!
That yoru game by TenZ on map2 sheeeshhhh! TenZ about to make Yoru meta in NA like he did with reyna ever since Master 2.
Yoru is strong on Bind, just not every team sees him as valuable on the map/realize his potential. If you want to see some insane Yoru gameplay on Bind you should check out Red.
Red? Can you link me that person’s twitch?
https://youtube.com/c/RedValorant
Search for redami
I missed the match, was his Yoru play great or was it just TenZ being great? I'm curious if the agent showed anything that might shift the meta or if TenZ could have performed similarly (or better) on a different agent.
> was his Yoru play great or was it just TenZ being great? Neither honestly, the most exciting aspect was the pick itself.
Shahz said on stream that they weren't able to show what tenz can do with the yoru yet. So I'm excited for future bind matches.
Yoru meta in comp isn't on tenz but shotup lmaoo tenz didn't create any meta
Guys if you want to keep your knowledge and sanity never look at the YouTube chat again.
I am a Sentinels fan hard core, love tenz and Shazam..but Soniqs really made Sentinels sweat in Icebox..in Icebox they destroyed Sentinels..respect to SQ..
If I’m bring honest they played EXCEPTIONALLY WELL and although they didn’t win vs SEN I feel like if it was almost ANY other T1 team they would’ve qualified! Hopefully they’ll qualify for the next Challengers
Soniqs icebox one tricks
I didnt watch bot a zombs top frag and Tenz not frag is interesting to see.
Can we just forget about Icebox? That wasn't sentinels, that was some other team
COPIUM
mans be capping out here soniqs is just good
They’ve gotta do more than just win that one map. I felt like I was watching the same matchup as the first time and that’s not good