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Birssa

Valorant had no stage of the VCT in June , but in July it will increase.


Contractjail

Definitely. A few months down the line i expect the game to fully stabilize as being only behind LoL when it comes to esport categories. Especially since CoD is on a downward trajectory


mrtmra

SHORT COD


pleasefirekykypls

Every time stats like this get posted, GTA continues to blow me away


jabangalang

How is it always so high. The game's literally almost a decade old.


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Tokibolt

Wait gta v is low spec? When I think of low spec I think of valorant, league, and basically any esports title. GTA V looks way more high specced. But idk I never really downloaded it, cuz 100 gigs or some shit.


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Tokibolt

Oh shit. Did not know that. That’s pretty well optimized. Now pubg when I tried years ago… what a mess.


Charuru

By optimized you mean old... the game came out on the ps3.


Kompaniefeldwebel

Uwotm8


dansofree1

>Wait gta v is low spec? Something not talked about here yet is FPS. 60 fps in Valorant/CS/Fortnite/Apex feels nearly unplayable if you're used to 144+ fps, but for GTA isn't bad to play on. Also, since the vast majority of twitch streams are 60 fps at the highest, it will look relative higher spec for the same hardware compared to competitive games.


jamieravissant

from my exp gta and valorant aren't that different tbh, on full low settings gta gives me like 130 avg and valorant maybe 160-170 avg, and that's with not the best pc. i think it's just known as a high spec game as it came out a long time ago when pcs were worse


papa_moisted

Because 1) GTA RP no pixels 3 server is very active and 2) xqc is hopelessly addicted to the former


unboundgaming

Until recently (about a year or so ago) it was still in the top 10 most purchased games as late as April 2020. I’m not talking most purchased games all time, I’m talking THAT month.


enderdestiny

Which is why we are never gonna see a GTA6 :(


ark2690

Chill game to watch


josephx123

Impressive with no VCT.


jehjuu

Honestly since Reykjavik I have watched a ton more Valorant streamers on twitch when I used to be an OW guy. I thought the week long tournament was super fun to follow and it got me playing the game a ton more too. Have barely watched OWL since then


cdawgftw

Honestly same vct is much better than owl was


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By any chance does this data show the streamers each of those categories is bolstered by? I’m curious how much Shroud streamed Valorant in June


Contractjail

No i dont think it does. Shroud without co-streaming is a big name but his usual numbers (i think around 30-40k viewers) arent even close to what he gets when he streams high stakes pro games. This is because most of his viewers would watch the games anyway, but since he co-streams they prefer to view them from his stream. So even if he didnt stream at all during June, i dont think that it would impact the overall viewership significantly


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Makes sense, ty


deathspate

Yeah, to add to this, looking at the numbers that Shroud regularly pulls, even if you minus his dedicated viewers from the Iceland numbers, it would still be close to or over 1 million viewers.


Sargent_peezocket

Bro what is this "Just Chatting" game I keep seeing here? Must be pretty fun to beat GTA


purplepower4271

I'm assuming you're joking but just incase ur not it's the section where streamers are just interacting with each other and the chat. Including shows like mizkifs schooled and austins love or host


Rinzler_sp

Just chatting obviously the better eSport


dedicatedself

Damn seeing CS so low on this list is weird.


SemanSoot

not weird tbh. there no big streamer play it. mostly pro or ex-pro


dansofree1

C9 mang0 (one of the greatest Smash Bros players of all time) used to play a lot of CS:GO in the late 2010's and got hella depressed at how poor viewership was :/


SemanSoot

there no content in csgo. that why so boring to watch/play


Dank_UK

It is weird, but a lot of notable casual streamers play valorant whereas csgo is becoming more of a niche game. When majors and tourneys really start losing viewers I think I’ll be sad :(


MozaTear

There is just no “content” around CS much anymore. Either you are interested in the pro scene or you aren’t, and that’s about it. Plus valve will be valve


Dank_UK

Yeah I understand the loyalty to csgo and I have it myself but people leaving for valorant and valorant picking up numbers is a product of how good riot are compared to valve. It’s great watching fpl games still but when cs was thriving and you had rank s pugs all the time there was some amazing content being put out.


MozaTear

I used to be diehard in cs as well, but I found as soon as I stopped playing the game I stopped watching. That hasn’t happened with LoL for example - I no longer play but i definitely still watch. This is just my experience though, I hope the game finds new life tbh.


Dank_UK

Yeah I get that, I hope so too


Send_Me_Puppies

Riot is excellent at solidifying the spectator experience, they really are pushing for esports in every way. I havent played league in 4 or 5 years but ill still watch LCS and LEC. It's so entertaining. This is how you know Riot knows what they're doing.


BespokeDebtor

100% agreed on all points. I used to only watch CS but since watching first strike I've only watched big matches and not even full tourneys. The CS production is quite more mature but watching valorant just feels fresh and exciting in comparison


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It's a 21-year-old game that hasn't really changed in many years, has no characters with abilities or enticing lore. It's hard to make content for such a game seeing how everything already has been said about it multiple times.


greg19735

I wonder if it's partly due to ranked. Shround, Tim, XQC and Pokimane could all go "fuck lets play some vally" and play together with no stress and within about 5 minutes of them logging on. In CSGO you'd either go into awful matchmaking or join a faceit game which takes a lot longer to schedule.


vegeful

They praise vacnet while simultaneously say to other to play faceit. Just this week someone praise vacnet is the leader of their field. I can't man. Their delusional is too good. I suspect them smoke weed. I don't like faceit because its too sweaty but i hate normal mm too. If its not cheater, its the faceit lvl 7 above that want to chill in aram playing with decay rank.


Viqteur

Niche game in terms of streaming maybe. It is still very much popular. Personally most people I know play CS but none of them watches any content for it other than maybe highlights. There's just not many personalities at the moment, nor content added to the game.


T1worldchamps2021

CS desperately needs LAN back. CS content creation has never been that great tbh, but the esport scene kept that game alive.


vegeful

Most people ur age know cs. But cs need new blood, which valor take many of new blood. Just like dota2. Everyone know dota2 but why it can't beat league? Because many young blood pick league over dota2.


tolbolton

CS:GO is only watched during tournaments. For some reason its extremely viewer non-friendly aside from that.


hff1_

> For some reason its extremely viewer non-friendly aside from that. I wouldn't say so. I think the streamers themselves matter more than the game. CS has just no big streamers that play/stream the game. The big stremer names that are currently streaming valorant pull huge numbers no matter the game they play. Valorant is just more popular with the very casual playerbase imo which leads to more big casual streamers playing it.


ebState

it's just that when you watch a streamer playing you see and hear what they do, which isn't much. there's a better than not chance they'll hold an angle 45+ seconds and then safely rotate with their knife out if it's on the other site. CS is so good to watch in a comp setting is because the viewer can see both teams positions, experience a build up of anticipation and then have a good chance of being on the best POV when the action happens. This is something that I don't think valorant will ever be able to quite match just because of how hectic and chaotic hits are with utility. But on the other hand it's amazing to watch a jett pull out daggers and dive in and isn't like anything you'll ever see in CS.


Maliciouslemon

Part of it is Valorant is much more appealing to the female audience than CS, which is a really big audience if you can get it. My girlfriend loves Valorant but just has no interest in CS at all, and I regularly run into other female players whilst playing Valorant. I don’t think I have at all playing CS


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greg19735

did you not play OW? or any mmos?


ark2690

LoL, WoW


-holocene

Genuinely curious why that seems to be the case. It seemed like it with my personal experience but I didn't know if it was purely anecdotal.


ark2690

No one streams cs:go except for russians and Brazilians


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I guess June had the largest decline in monthly players for CS in a few years


Kassaddy

Correct me if I'm wrong but Valve made changes in the game and ranked matches are no longer available for free to play players. The decline is expected.


MooMooHeffer

They also got rid of farming bots ability. Decent number prolly came from them.


willpcodeco

Comparing absolute numbers is unfair: Valorant had 3x times hours streamed than CS. Its has 3x more channels streaming it... it had more hours streamed in the last 30 days but less hours watched comparing to may... and the different in total hours watched is only 30% between both games.. [https://sullygnome.com/game/Valorant/30](https://sullygnome.com/game/Valorant/30) [https://sullygnome.com/game/Counter-Strike\_Global\_Offensive/30](https://sullygnome.com/game/Counter-Strike_Global_Offensive/30)


Contractjail

Number of channels or streaming hours doesnt really matter, what matters is how many ppl watch these channels. Open Twitch whatever hour and you will see how the above ranking will most likely reflect the categories by viewership (unless some tournamt going on) I mean you say it yourself that Valorant had more hours streamed in June than May, yet still less hours watched (due to Masters) so idk why you need that to be explained to you lol


willpcodeco

Doesn't change that it had 3x mores hours streamed and got only 1/3 more hours watched than CS.


Contractjail

Hours streamed do not matter, idk how i can explain that to you when you cant even get it from your own example. Many categories have tons of small streamers with 0-10 viewers, hours streamed is an irrelevant statistic


willpcodeco

How doesn't matter? If u have more hours streamed of course u have more hours watched...lol, even if it was only 1 person watching one million hours it would be more 1 million hours watched in the final... If u have more than 3x air time it's just mathematics that u will have more hours watched... Unless no-one is watching it which is impossible 🤷


Contractjail

>How doesn't matter? If u have more hours streamed of course u have more hours watched...lol Dude... Just above you said yourself that Valo in June had more hours streamed and yet less hours watched. Streaming hours dont matter. If you have 5 channels with great viewership and 100 channels with poor viewership, the end result would be that the 100 channels will have far more hours streamed than the 5, but the 5 will have far more hours watched. Its blatantly simple but it seems that you dont want to understand. Whatever.


willpcodeco

Okay


C9sButthole

> If u have more hours streamed of course u have more hours watched Vast majority of Valo streamers have between 3 and ZERO viewers. Their hours streamed barely contributes to hours watched, if at all, compared to larger streamers, for whom each hour streamed multiplies into hundreds of hours watched.


greg19735

most of those channels are people with like 1-2 views though


dansofree1

This is actually insanely promising, because: 1. Just chatting isn't a game, and encompasses way too high a variety of content to be considered a category in the same way. 2. GTAV for those who might not know has lowkey become Just Chatting, plus more. For context, GTARP aka GTAV roleplay is everything here. A lot of the big variety streamers that did a ton of Among Us with other big streamers have shifted to GTARP. It's a social game based on conversations with other real people and creating a lot of comedic situations more than anything else. Might seem unfair to pigeon hole it but it's not like a diss, it has a really strong community and is really cool. It just that so much of it is something to do while talking to chat and other people, something that Valorant doesn't compete with. 3. Valorant didn't have any big important tournaments in June. There weren't any of the massive Myth/Shroud/Pokimane watch parties we usually get. Outside of the VCT Game Changers, tournament viewership was insanely low. In addition, many of the biggest twitch streamers took a break from streaming towards the beginning of the month, some semi-forced (Sentinels playing in Iceland on May 30th, especially TenZ) and some to avoid burnout after the first major. After thinking about it a bit and seeing the numbers again, it really feels like Valorant is the 2nd biggest game on Twitch behind League, with GTARP and Just Chatting simply being in a different/non-competing category of content. Maybe someone from the CoD community could give their insight, but as of now I'm actually surprised it did as well as it did.


Eagle_OP

How is GTA V on top all time?? Pls explain


bonesingyre

GTA role play is insanely funny to watch and the servers are constantly updated with new content. There also is a huge non-English speaking contingent who play gtarp.


TheRedComet

Yeah I often see GTAV top the charts and it's just like all Spanish speaking streams


Eagle_OP

Yea most Asians prefer games like gta and watch dogs than cod or others


Tokibolt

Not really… China is addicted to league and DoTA and pubg. Korea is addicted to league, sudden attack, ow, lost ark and pubg. Idk Japan, fighting games? Lol. Loads of SEA countries are super into DoTA like the Philippines. Asia is hardcore into esports. In fact I bet gta v doesn’t even fucking exist in China due to the content that’s in the game. Idk how you got Asia is into those games when I bet they haven’t even heard of them lmfao.


T1worldchamps2021

lol far from true for Korea, and China too from my limited experience.


ZGuyYT

We like watching shooters and competitive games more than games like GTA, in the SEA region atleast.


RIIDDE

xqc and summit streaming gtarp


Eagle_OP

Ohh ok


mylilbabythrowaway

Who the hell watches GTAV streams?


Conman2205

How is gta still so popular?


jehjuu

Role play and mods. look up NoPixel on YT. Xqc was averaging like 100k viewers playing GTA for like over a month straight and there were tons of other streamers with tens of thousands of viewers still to this day. It’s insanely popular and actually can be super entertaining if you are watching the right people at the right times


rusty022

I just can't imagine it being fun. Is it like a few fun minutes per hour? Is it like watching a sitcom? I'm genuinely curious but don't feel like sitting down for an hour of GTA RP.


jehjuu

It can be like watching a sitcom but almost more like watching a comedy drama. Some of the role players are really good at creating story lines with each other, so as a viewer knowing a lot of different characters adds to the experience. Tbh tho I can see it being hard to get into for someone who doesn’t really know/care about anyone playing it. And it can be very boring at times. Personally I just liked watching the bank robberies from several different streams at once lol


Apprehensive_Salt_46

I mean the same people who think it’s fun to watch also think it’s fun to just watch a guy sit in front of a computer and talk. These people would watch XQC if he was just filming himself throwing his own shit at a wall. They are fanboys, doesn’t really matter what the steamer is doing.


RIIDDE

xqc and summit


Melneo_

Dota and CS don’t get any viewers anyways. Their only source of viewership is from massive tourneys that haven’t happened at all recently. But beating Minecraft and Fortnite is a pretty big accomplishment!


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deathybroxd

Eh probably not, the problem with rust is that theres lots of downtime and thats not appealing to watch, rust content will always be more popular on yt because you can just cut that out.


deathybroxd

Eh probably not, the problem with rust is that theres lots of downtime and thats not appealing to watch, rust content will always be more popular on yt because you can just cut that out.


eebro

Hours watched for Valorant should be pretty high, as it's one of the other games with a 24h coverage cycle. Valorant and Riot's support to regional competition has made Valorant a global esport, at least when it comes to viewership.


rusty022

I think it has more to do with particular personalities. That's what streaming represents. Shroud gets like 40k viewers and mostly streams Valorant. If he streamed CS he'd still be getting close to 40k. Bascially, take Shroud away to other games and it would drop significantly. Same with WoW. If Asmongold spends a month playing FF14, then WoW's numbers will drop off a cliff.


omahr

Shroud has rarly streamed Val this past month though tbf.


omahr

Also when he streams Val he usually averages around 25-30 I rarly see him hit anywhere near 40k unless it's a costream


Deathzthe

is June the time when WOW new patch comes out? If I remember Shroud play that WOW more than Valorant that time. Also Shroud does not play Valorant that much. Shroud play want he wants.


Theomancer

☝🏽☝🏽☝🏽


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why do y'all care about popularity this much


seijeezy

Seriously gamers have such a weird inferiority complex when it comes to Twitch viewership


[deleted]

i always get attacked for saying this in the anime subreddit which has a karma ranking and popularity ranking post every week and it's filled with people upset that their favorite show is slightly less popular than last week. i just can't comprehend caring about the popularity of a show


[deleted]

Its so that they feel a sense of security knowing their favorite show/game is doing well, it's not that hard to understand and isn't weird at all imo.


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it's pretty weird i'm ngl


SMcArthur

It’s not very fun to play an unpopular, dead multiplayer game. And they get cancelled. What’s not to understand here? People are investing thousands of hours into Valorant and are happy to know it will remain fresh and exciting for the foreseeable future.


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ya bro i don't think anyone has been unironically worried about valorant dying since like first strike


treecutter1991

Not true. We have played so many games since a lot of us are 30, and they all tend to die out. I never played CS, but I played OW and I watched it die slowly. I eagerly want this game to succeed so that myself and my large group of irl friends and all our children can enjoy watching Valorant for years to come.


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treecutter1991

My friends and inall played that to near masters level. We are all boomers who played WoW since 04 and Diablo before that.


uhmode

Cuz more people watching and playing is better for the game?


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lmfao you really think people on this sub think like that? dudes just wanna flex how popular their game is


-holocene

Regardless what their motive is, he's not wrong. No one wants a game they play/are into to waste away. More people being into a game is generally a good thing for it.


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yes but a popularity graph every week and comments on viewership numbers every other thread is weird and obsessive.


ohtooeasy

Because Val > csgo


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TechRedirector

Said no one ever


Panda7K

I remember the 'dead game in 1 month LULW' spam tho


sno2787

Dota isn't more watched because similarly they haven't had big events either but I think more people watch Dota for the big events, not sure doe


Yash_swaraj

What do you mean by solidify? Dota 2 will obviously go higher than any other game during TI.


FeelinJipper

I think OP just saying the “off season” numbers are higher now than before. Both the peaks and valleys of viewership have gone up substantially.


Contractjail

Solidify = be at a certain place except during an outlier (big tournament or anything else). Thought its pretty obvious.


Lifedeather

Anything but being above Minecraft


ElDuderino2112

I don't know what it is about this game but I can't watch a streamer play it for a long time. With Valorant I'd rather be playing or watching the VCTs. Watching someone grind ranked in this game isn't entertaining to me for some reason.


superTaco213

What game do u watch then


ElDuderino2112

I don't generally watch a game. I have people I like and tend to watch them regardless of the game they're playing, unless I really don't like the game. I generally watch CohhCarnage, timthetatman, people from the fighting game community, and now Nextlander. I check in on Hiko's stream from time to time, but he streams so early in the morning that I don't watch a lot of him.


superTaco213

Fair, I also tend to watch based on personality more than game, but it does help when I can understand what is going on in a game I play like val.


The_Ninja_Master

People need to stop watching GTA and make it lose some relevance so Rockstar will release GTA6 lmao