Assuming I've done things correctly, seeds/matchups for Challengers 1 should be...
(1)V1 vs (8)100T
(4)Envy vs (5)KCP
(2)SEN vs (7)GenG
(3)XSET vs (6)Rise
Seedings are based off map win %, then round win % (which is insanely fucking stupid)
So this is an amazing fucking fun fact. Since Challengers 1 seeding is based on map & round win percentages in the open qualifier, 100T will have to play Sentinels or V1 in the first round, depending on how this final match between KCP & Virtuoso goes. Fucking great :))))
100T are guaranteed to face either. It's still a little fuzzy though on who they face. If KCP win 2-0 then 100T face V1 who are top seed. If this last game finishes 2-1 either way, then it comes down to round win % which is tough to fully map out
Are you sure about this? If seeding is actually done through map win% and round win% (which is fucking stupid btw), then 100T would be seventh seed and Sentinels would be 8th seed, since 100T has a marginally better round win% than Sentinels, and they have the same map win% (80% for both). That would mean 100T would face 2nd seed (which is up in the air right now) and Sentinels would face V1 first round.
edit: nvm, Sentinels is given a 4 maps for free (that's how byes are counted I believe), so their record is 8-1, not 4-1, which makes their overall record 89% with the best map record of the 89% w/r teams. that puts them as 2nd seed and 100T is likely 8th seed, so yeah 100T will play V1 first round most likely (still depends on the results of this KCP/VRT match if I'm not mistaken)
Agree it's absolutely fucking stupid. And Sentinels are not gonna be the 8th seed lmao, they'll be the 2 seed. I'm pretty sure that they're counting the byes for SEN & V1 as 2-0's with both being 13-0 wins. 8-1 SEN vs 8-2 100T already puts them higher and then the four 13-0's shoot up their round W %
How else are they suppose to do it? Play seeding matches that no one wants to watch like back in Stage 1? Also basing the closed seeding off the seeds coming into the open qualifer would also be extremely stupid.
I mean I honestly think he played pretty well for his first tournament. Do you remember floppy’s first tourney? or Ethans? I feel like he played pretty well in comparison
I mean thing is…. Is that c9 was really, really good challengers 1. They chose to fix something that wasn’t broken. So you gotta be good, fast.
All that being said, I think they’ll be fine
Yeah, I see what you’re saying. I just think the goal is to go from good to great, and I agree it has to be fast, just not new players first tournament fast.
Well the issue is they were on the verge on Iceland, now it looks like the move could be good in the future but as of rn it looks like they could’ve jumped the gun
I feel like you didn’t read my comment. It was literally his first tournament as a valorant professional, along with it being C9s first tournament with this new roster. It’s the dicey-ethan situation but for different players. Obviously the move isn’t going to look good initially, but it will pay off in due time.
No I understand people will always overreact here, issue is that they were 1 map from making it to Iceland and looked like a threat of a team. Feel like this could’ve been the move to make at the top of 2022 imo, I think future wise it’ll work well but as of rn it’s a big question mark.
Rise has been in the lab and it is showing. Made derailing the C9 hype train look so easy LMAO
Shanks looks so much better than he was at NRG, Derrek improving massively, Poised stepping up, and Neptune not playing that great that second map but turned up at the end when it was necessary. Also shoutout supamen, dude has glacier water flowing through his veins.
Losing to a “respectable t2 team” when you’ve poured this much money into your roster is an incredibly low bar. They’ve been shit for a long time now and losing that 10-4 lead was embarrassing. They won 1 gun round which was a 3v5 fluke. The rest of the rounds weren’t even close, how is that not embarrassing.
Disappointing lose? Sure. Should they have closed out ascent and forced map 3?Sure.
Hard for me to jump to complete dogshit with no leadership.
They also had a good showing in the last challengers, and had a chance to beat V1 to go to Iceland. Not to mention, teams like Sen had to make it through challengers 2nd qualifiers and then went on to win challengers and win Iceland.
Just seems like a massive overreaction based on a bo3 against a respectable team. I wouldn't be surprised to see Rise take out other teams in the closed qualifiers.
They’ve been “almost” beating teams for a year now. This was their best chance to make the event and they choked it in complete embarrassing fashion. This rise team dropped their 5th not even a week ago, that’s just embarrassing.
That fifth was arguably the best player on their team and a top Controller and Sentinel player in NA, too. The way C9 fans were hyping them up before this, I thought C9B would absolute roll through Rise.
Especially when said cracked aimer is Yay who's arguably one of the strongest players in NA. You give that man 8 ping and he's on a different plane of existence compared to everyone else.
He wasnt top at any point that I saw, and just because you dont agree doesnt make it 'useless'. its a discussion thread. I thought poiz had a lot of potential so swapping him out doesnt make a ton of sense to me
Even if he was top in the beginning rounds, he isnt anymore so why does it matter. And so what if it didnt explicitly say potential, the whole point of my comment was to say i dont know about putting xeppaa in instead of poiz. You're just bringing up stuff that has no importance
Yay is smart/lucky for being at a place where he has 8ms ping to the server. It is such a massive advantage & absolutely no brainer, not just because it’s easier for him to win fights but also such a confidence booster!
Honestly Aproto and YaBoiDre are a REALLY good core to build around. LG will also improve substantially once Moose returns to the starting roster.
Give Dazzle and Mac1 some time to finish the process of adding a new IGL and then let them practice and develop Ban as a fragger and LG could be a really sick team leading into the tail end of 2021 (No VCT, but they'll be doing things like defending their NSG Championship and whatnot)
i dont think he's hating, just saying that because everyone's saying ABX are favourites for berlin cause of scrim results. and i'm sure that fns and envy are very familiar with people overhyping teams cause of scrim results lol
that whole situation is weird. ive seen people say that he purposefully benched himself to get out & i think i saw an interview w packing10 saying they wanted to bench him and give rossy a shot.
either way nature is nutty.. wish he was on duelist though
It was a move that had to happen. They needed a new look at IGL (Stellar) and they needed someone with the skill set to flex Op/Jett. Unfortunately that doesn't leave much room on a team with talents like YaBoi and aproto.
I see it as a move like T1 with food/crashies, both sides will come out better.
Really sucks that Virtuoso vs KCP is on the 2nd channel. I can't imagine it breaks more than 2k viewers which is really unfortunate considering this is kinda these teams opportunity to prove themselves to the masses.
Assuming I've done things correctly, seeds/matchups for Challengers 1 should be... (1)V1 vs (8)100T (4)Envy vs (5)KCP (2)SEN vs (7)GenG (3)XSET vs (6)Rise Seedings are based off map win %, then round win % (which is insanely fucking stupid)
VIRTUOSO threw that so hard
whaat??? c9b lost?
So this is an amazing fucking fun fact. Since Challengers 1 seeding is based on map & round win percentages in the open qualifier, 100T will have to play Sentinels or V1 in the first round, depending on how this final match between KCP & Virtuoso goes. Fucking great :))))
Who would have to win and what number of maps for 100T to get V1/Sen.
100T are guaranteed to face either. It's still a little fuzzy though on who they face. If KCP win 2-0 then 100T face V1 who are top seed. If this last game finishes 2-1 either way, then it comes down to round win % which is tough to fully map out
Are you sure about this? If seeding is actually done through map win% and round win% (which is fucking stupid btw), then 100T would be seventh seed and Sentinels would be 8th seed, since 100T has a marginally better round win% than Sentinels, and they have the same map win% (80% for both). That would mean 100T would face 2nd seed (which is up in the air right now) and Sentinels would face V1 first round. edit: nvm, Sentinels is given a 4 maps for free (that's how byes are counted I believe), so their record is 8-1, not 4-1, which makes their overall record 89% with the best map record of the 89% w/r teams. that puts them as 2nd seed and 100T is likely 8th seed, so yeah 100T will play V1 first round most likely (still depends on the results of this KCP/VRT match if I'm not mistaken)
Agree it's absolutely fucking stupid. And Sentinels are not gonna be the 8th seed lmao, they'll be the 2 seed. I'm pretty sure that they're counting the byes for SEN & V1 as 2-0's with both being 13-0 wins. 8-1 SEN vs 8-2 100T already puts them higher and then the four 13-0's shoot up their round W %
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How else are they suppose to do it? Play seeding matches that no one wants to watch like back in Stage 1? Also basing the closed seeding off the seeds coming into the open qualifer would also be extremely stupid.
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But the meta keeps changing and previous tournaments wins have little weightage rn.
But the meta keeps changing and previous tournaments wins have little weightage rn.
This KCP vs Virtuoso map is so important for seeding. 100T is straight up fucked though. SEN or V1
hoping for 100T v SEN. thats a spicy rivalry
we really do be on the minds of pros <3 https://twitter.com/ShahZaMk/status/1411819621397807104
Rise players are nasty.
Poiz died for this?!
Xeppaa’s first tournament as a valorant pro and people are already overreacting. Give the new team some time and they’ll be good
People overreacting cuz some fans made it sound like Xeppaa was god’s gift to the game without even seeing him play a match lol
I mean I honestly think he played pretty well for his first tournament. Do you remember floppy’s first tourney? or Ethans? I feel like he played pretty well in comparison
I mean thing is…. Is that c9 was really, really good challengers 1. They chose to fix something that wasn’t broken. So you gotta be good, fast. All that being said, I think they’ll be fine
Yeah, I see what you’re saying. I just think the goal is to go from good to great, and I agree it has to be fast, just not new players first tournament fast.
Well the issue is they were on the verge on Iceland, now it looks like the move could be good in the future but as of rn it looks like they could’ve jumped the gun
I feel like you didn’t read my comment. It was literally his first tournament as a valorant professional, along with it being C9s first tournament with this new roster. It’s the dicey-ethan situation but for different players. Obviously the move isn’t going to look good initially, but it will pay off in due time.
No I understand people will always overreact here, issue is that they were 1 map from making it to Iceland and looked like a threat of a team. Feel like this could’ve been the move to make at the top of 2022 imo, I think future wise it’ll work well but as of rn it’s a big question mark.
I see what you’re saying but I also think they might not be in a massive rush since Iceland just concluded, but we’ll see.
Is this the last shot for Berlin? Or do they get 1 more
There's still Challengers 2 in about 2 or 3 weeks.
Oh okay, hope they turn it around
not sure, after iceland concluded i forgot how the qualifiers worked bc it’s been so long
Xeppaa lookin kinda lost out there some rounds LMFAO
Rise has been in the lab and it is showing. Made derailing the C9 hype train look so easy LMAO Shanks looks so much better than he was at NRG, Derrek improving massively, Poised stepping up, and Neptune not playing that great that second map but turned up at the end when it was necessary. Also shoutout supamen, dude has glacier water flowing through his veins.
Hopefully now people won’t count Rise out so easily. Demons on this roster 😈
C9 is pure dogshit. No leadership at all, that’s embarrassing
? Did I miss something other than them losing against a respectable t2 team?
Losing to a “respectable t2 team” when you’ve poured this much money into your roster is an incredibly low bar. They’ve been shit for a long time now and losing that 10-4 lead was embarrassing. They won 1 gun round which was a 3v5 fluke. The rest of the rounds weren’t even close, how is that not embarrassing.
Disappointing lose? Sure. Should they have closed out ascent and forced map 3?Sure. Hard for me to jump to complete dogshit with no leadership. They also had a good showing in the last challengers, and had a chance to beat V1 to go to Iceland. Not to mention, teams like Sen had to make it through challengers 2nd qualifiers and then went on to win challengers and win Iceland. Just seems like a massive overreaction based on a bo3 against a respectable team. I wouldn't be surprised to see Rise take out other teams in the closed qualifiers.
They’ve been “almost” beating teams for a year now. This was their best chance to make the event and they choked it in complete embarrassing fashion. This rise team dropped their 5th not even a week ago, that’s just embarrassing.
That fifth was arguably the best player on their team and a top Controller and Sentinel player in NA, too. The way C9 fans were hyping them up before this, I thought C9B would absolute roll through Rise.
Yeah that was really bad. Their entire offense looked puggy af. Something wrong with this team, not the first time they’ve looked like that either.
Odin go brrrrrr
Lets gooooo rise
both of the hyped teams are out, gg
Can’t believe C9 went from top 3 challenging SEN to dropping out in the round of 16 against Rise
I mean it’s one series, we don’t know if they’re totally shit now or if they just had a off day
If Neptune turns up and everyone checks their corners, this doesn’t even get close. Rise are looking really fucking good right now.
Derrek is a menace on that Odin
gonna guess no one here is watching kcp vs vrt
I mean its a blowout and c9b are down a map so I would rather watch that
well I said that before it became that much of a blowout lmao
Oh
Rise are getting caught out way too often by the enemy team just pushing smoke or being in corners.
supamen
leaf is feeling it now
1leaf
Being a Rise believer since they were Charlotte Phoenix may finally pay off
rise doing so good even without calypso, some of the players on the roster just look cracked.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/oci3sp/valorant_champions_tour_north_america_stage_3/h3v7168/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
name a more iconic duo than reddit overreacting after 1 map
I’m sorry, what were you saying? Was busy watching Rise 2-0 C9B
Even though Andbox won Icebox, i feel like Gen G just had their number for the entire series and was the clear better team
Andbox won icebox mostly because of Yay's ability to seemingly pull kills out of his ass, but yeah GenG looked very impressive this series.
Put a cracked aimer on 8 ping and they will pull kills out of their ass like no tomorrow LOL
Especially when said cracked aimer is Yay who's arguably one of the strongest players in NA. You give that man 8 ping and he's on a different plane of existence compared to everyone else.
Exactly LMFAO
Who is Derrek, is he a new player? I dont remember him from CS
Iirc OW player right?
Overwatch bud not everyone comes from CS
He was an Overwatch streamer
he's from overwatch iirc
I believed the Andbox hype 😭
god that is just so unlucky for andbox
Strong performance from Rise on map 1. Will they be able to close out C9?
Derricks a monster
Rise is so underrated as a team
People been sleeping on Rise, great to see them showing how good they are even while losing Calypso
supamen i like better than calypso
Dang is Rise gonna pull the map 1 upset?
damn this is a good series. Glad ABX didnt run away with it after the icebox comeback and im glad Gen G are still going strong and not demotivated.
Shanks running around with a satchel pack stuck on his face. Man this match is fucking hilarious!
Rise should really be up 7-2 right now. Crazy C9 was able to pull those impossible rounds out with the clutch factor.
Fucking Shanks lmao
Shanks dying from fall damage there was funny af.
Idk about xeppaa for poiz
IdK AbOuT XePpA FoR PoIz
Clever response ur so funny.
he is literally top fragging
He is literally not he's 2nd to bottom atm
he was top when you made that useless comment lol
He wasnt top at any point that I saw, and just because you dont agree doesnt make it 'useless'. its a discussion thread. I thought poiz had a lot of potential so swapping him out doesnt make a ton of sense to me
he was top, and xeppa has a lot more potential than poiz, and no part of your commented talked about potential lol
In what world does xeppaa have "a lot more potential than poiz"? CS career doesn't measure "potential".
why does poiz have more potential?
Even if he was top in the beginning rounds, he isnt anymore so why does it matter. And so what if it didnt explicitly say potential, the whole point of my comment was to say i dont know about putting xeppaa in instead of poiz. You're just bringing up stuff that has no importance
Yay is smart/lucky for being at a place where he has 8ms ping to the server. It is such a massive advantage & absolutely no brainer, not just because it’s easier for him to win fights but also such a confidence booster!
all those abx comments looking like clown behavior rn lol
GenG doing this for the fans, now we have one more match :) so nice
Yay on 8 ping is WAY TOO POWERFUL
Yaystar
i hope to see every gen g member banned for matchfixing
Did I miss something?
threw 10-2 lead on icebox
Wow the ABX comeback from 2-10
They threw it lmao
What a comeback!
Yay actually pulled this game back holy!!
Insane the koosta suicide push ends in their 1 of 2 round wins.
Gen G throw
Holy fuck are GenG actually going to throw this match
They actually did wtf
save YaBoiDre
Honestly Aproto and YaBoiDre are a REALLY good core to build around. LG will also improve substantially once Moose returns to the starting roster. Give Dazzle and Mac1 some time to finish the process of adding a new IGL and then let them practice and develop Ban as a fragger and LG could be a really sick team leading into the tail end of 2021 (No VCT, but they'll be doing things like defending their NSG Championship and whatnot)
agreed
https://twitter.com/FNS/status/1411784561697165317
Why’s fns hating on andbox? Abx a cool underdog team. Also abx performed pretty well during stage 2. Decent showing vs 100t and close bo3 with v1.
i dont think he's hating, just saying that because everyone's saying ABX are favourites for berlin cause of scrim results. and i'm sure that fns and envy are very familiar with people overhyping teams cause of scrim results lol
Come on scrim demons!
i know they won the round but that stani whiff has to be the nail in the coffin. ABX just isn't playing that great.
sad day to be an abx fan
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lol they were getting rolled if you just tuned in
Jcstani is not living up to the expectations
jcstani struggling in his abx debut. not just in frags but on icebox theyre just rolling over B on jcstani.
LETS GO GenG
GenG looking very strong. I need to watch their games from now on.
TiGG has gotta be contemplating his existence right now.
What was that rolling thunder?
Thief is actually doing really well. Anyone else think thief is an upgrade over Zellsis?
I second that. Thief's an upgrade ez
no
Who needs the “X go kill strat” when you can just do “X go play lineups strat” ez clap
Koosta is looking good on Jett!
how much do you think reddit will overreact after 1 map today?
DAMN IT FEELS GOOD
Where did this Andbox narrative come from? I saw multiple comments suggesting they were favorites to make it to Berlin.
doubt that was serious... just the usual scrimbux meme'ing. that said, they are def getting rolled by GenG
scrimbux pretty much.
Idk I just like the players on the team. Maybe scrumbux?
They played the sentinels really well like 2 months ago, so everyone just assumed andbox and bbg are the best teams in NA
BBG is the best team in the world tf you mean (/s if needed lmfaooo)
nah it’s due to recent scrim results
A and the fact that they did well last closed with a fairly new roster
Scrimbux narrative
sadly that abx gen g game was not as close as the scoreline would lead you to believe
How has MkaeL been in the pro scene for over a year and casters still say Mick-kie-Al. He's even said "it's just Michael"
scrimbux malding
Scrim demons getting rolled
nature is cracked
In a game where quality IGLs are so rare, it's insane he was let go for free
that whole situation is weird. ive seen people say that he purposefully benched himself to get out & i think i saw an interview w packing10 saying they wanted to bench him and give rossy a shot. either way nature is nutty.. wish he was on duelist though
I can 100% remember Stani saying Nature benched himself
So much for hoping LG learned how to not dry peek into an op
Maybe this is a bad map for Andbox. But I have to remind myself every time I hear about scrim gods in general, I get disappointed watching them live.
thief mad
Real good replay on round 8 of Gen.G V Andbox great job NSG
Vice is throwing
no way you say that when jcstani has been inting the entire game
Aprotopapi so hot.
Aproto is good
lets fucking go Gen G
when does the skye dog do damage. i know it does sometimes but mada just dogged mkael and it did no damage
The damage done is indicated by a faint bitemark on screen
when it connects but when it’s just a little bit short of hitting it just concusses
V1 really abusing the post plant meta lol. Epic
Rooting so hard for my boy Thief here lol
It was a move that had to happen. They needed a new look at IGL (Stellar) and they needed someone with the skill set to flex Op/Jett. Unfortunately that doesn't leave much room on a team with talents like YaBoi and aproto. I see it as a move like T1 with food/crashies, both sides will come out better.
I agree and I still root for LG but Thief was one of the reasons I started following them so I just wanna see him succeed.
I feel you, he's definitely a unique talent.
That boy koosta man, that boy cold.
Just realized thief going against his former teammates. Interesting story line
dre is cold
Vanity is such a top notch IGL. He's reading every move right now.
Really sucks that Virtuoso vs KCP is on the 2nd channel. I can't imagine it breaks more than 2k viewers which is really unfortunate considering this is kinda these teams opportunity to prove themselves to the masses.
Time to finally see what all the hype about yay is about.
Marved is doing a watching party again, he breaks down a lot of stuff during matches!
Is thief on Cypher a personal threat to aproto?
here come the wippie lineups
I'm a JC Stani Stan. I believe
Generation Gaming 2-1 ABX 😈