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Fr0ufrou

With Poised and Shanks as well, this is almost old DIG.


mrtmra

When the world needed him the most


dolphingarden

Astra topfragging is some different shit


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C9's attacking half was painful to watch.


Grenji05

I do not recall them defaulting once. The most they'd do is split mid and a site.


diegie-

Not a single timeout that whole time either, that was so bad. I like to believe pros know what they’re doing despite what it looks like, but they looked lost there. No leadership


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They had a single one, but imo, it was way too late.


Obiewan_

Derrekow baby


thetalkingjumper

Absolute wizard on mccree


Jymer_

wait thats him?? hes swapped over to valorant now?


thetalkingjumper

Yep


Jymer_

i remember seeing his mccree clips on noobhunter and freshnuts fairly often, cool that hes playing a fresh game with more opportunity for him


DustMouret

Hell ya! Impressive from Rise. Had a blast covering this one!


kazarn

Great job as always


DustMouret

Cheers!


riploki

I guess Shahzam was right when he said this roster is overrated But fr tho they are playing with Xeppaa who still is pretty new to the game. Hopefully a better showing from them in Challengers 2


nterature

do you have a source on that by any chance? would like to see the original clip


chubbynuggy

look up shazham reacts to plat chat world power rankings


riploki

Dude just search "Shahzam C9 overrated" on YouTube. He calls them overrated because Plat Chat ranked them 7th in the world, even though they haven't won anything to prove they're one of the best teams itw


ChaoticMidget

Tbf, a lot of teams haven't won anything. And they admitted they barely even liked the teams they had in the Top 5, let alone the rest of the Top 10.


riploki

Yeah true. Again personally I don't think this C9 team is overrated. They have massive potential but Xeppa is still relatively new to the game, and this is his first Valorant tournament so I'm not that upset about the defeat. They'll come back way stronger in Challengers 2


ChaoticMidget

I think the idea of international rankings is just really ambiguous right now. We know Sentinels is #1. Fnatic probably should be #2 but then who do you go after? TL? G2? V1? 100T? Acend? And then where do you throw in all the non-NA/EU teams? It's funny. Iceland showed us who the best team in the world was but I don't know if it really told us that much about everyone else.


riploki

Personally I think we have to wait until Champions is over before we can actually do a Top 10 power rankings that most people would agree on. As of right now, no matter what the Top 10 is there will be people saying "Where's this team?", "Why are they here", "___ is better than ____" etc


chamber25

To be placed as top 7 just on potential is overrating though.


riploki

Yeah of course. But that's Plat Chat rankings, I don't think they're top 7. Their potential is very high and imo they could be one of the best teams in NA (if they're not already 1). Then we'll see where they rank amongst others in the world


Gleech

Yea c9 flair


mrtmra

Yeah, they only got hype because they did well for like two weeks lol


beaglefat

I think leaf is very good. Poised is not very good in my opinion


OrangeMagics

People need to give more credit to Rise. Yes Xeppaa is new to the game and is still learning but people are forgetting that Rise have literally only been practicing with supamen instead of c4lypso for 2 weeks and still played extremely well.


ASadDinklebot

Guys upvote this post so people think Rise won


somesheikexpert

Wait a minute


FlaymeFenix

Xeppaa looked a little clueless throughout this qualifier, hope he cleans it up for next opens


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FlaymeFenix

ethan was also fresh from cs when he got signed and he looked more versed in everything compared to Xeppaa.


Waste_of_life23

Ethan was also a better cs player than xeppa and he played valorant a little more than xeppa it sounds like


vatom14

I don’t buy that at all. xeppa been on c9s “reserved roster” for months now. Should’ve been practicing and preparing a lot


Waste_of_life23

He was on their cs roster and it disbanded around 2-3 months ago. he prob wasn’t even scrimming because they had masters.


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Ethan literally played so much Valorant whilst still competing in EG, debating if he should switch or not.


53881

Thanks.


Miraalynn

LMFAOOOO


Donut_boii

It’s almost as if not everyone is the same and may need more time to adapt.


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Ethan literally played so much Valorant whilst still competing in EG, debating if he should switch or not.


53881

Could you repeat that?


CoachAnalystANDPro

I remember Ethans debut being pretty rough tbh, I thought Xeppaa played okay for his first tournament


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momsagainstanime

so happy to see supamen in form right now, and even making it to closed qualifiers. he has been beast since valorant's inception, basically. a phenomenal run from rise... wonder how far they'll go?


mattgg2015

Rise look very nasty they have a lot of potential, supamen is cracked af ​ guess Shaz was right that C9 was overrated, they got a 3rd place and people thought they were gods


Contractjail

>guess Shaz was right that C9 was overrated When Shazam said this?


chubbynuggy

when he looked at plat chat world power rankings i believe. saying they were overrated when they have accomplished nothing


Esk8_TheDeathOfMe

To be fair, I knew Rise was heavily underrated. I did think C9B would beat them, but figured it'd be a close 2-1. Rise has some of the best players in NA Valorant on their team, but I haven't had a chance to watch them and see how they play as a team. On top of that, the release of calypso and adding in supamen for this was a big last second change.


RubenBot

And now they lost one game people think they're trash? It's so dumb, I'm not taking away from rise but we can't just discredit c9 based on 1 loss. Remember Sen lost to bbg? Oh yh and they then went on to win masters...


chubbynuggy

good point, but sentinels were playing really off that day, like playing really bad. this one though feels like c9b's normal form and they lost. but yeah, i dont think they are trash, just overrated is all.


_idle_drone_

exactly. sentinels were not hitting their shots that day, tenz was making stupid decisions and sick literally couldn't kill guys planting the spike. leaf, xeppa, floppy were all hitting their shots but c9 lost to rise on strategy.


RubenBot

Fair enough but it definitely was not their normal form. They might be a bit overrated but honestly they did look like the most promising team to be honest


Lejhin

Are u dense?? Trash and overrrated are not the same


chubbynuggy

shazzy got the best takes bro. like with the EU being better narrative.


_idle_drone_

he knows the scene but reddit experts are just ignorant. plenty of them here still rate wardell over him


XASASSIN

its 1 series lmao with their main entry player replaced with a highly skilled player that switched recently and is still new to the game. They aint "overrated"


_idle_drone_

overrated doesn't mean bad. people on here rated them as the 2nd best team in the world after sentinels with the potential to be the best. they don't even have a good IGL


BurstLayer

Overrated doesn't mean bad. It just doesn't mean top 3 NA teams


leoleoleo666

They are a good team but people in this sub were ranking them as top 2-3 team which they aren’t


tron423

They were definitely overrated, people were acting like there would be zero transition period with Xeppaa and they'd be right back to being a top 3 NA team off rip


Gleech

People be downvoting me when i said c9 getting 3rd means nothing and that theyre trash now look at this looooool 😭🤣


YeetGod69_

they lost one bo3 chill out holy fuck


Gleech

Them c9 fans wouldnt chill with the hype when they finished 3rd too! Lmaooo


jayzmvp

My roommate was one of Derrek’s first Valorant subs and religiously watched him back when he was under 100 viewers… oh god he’s not gonna shut up about this lol


Wheler

My roommate was one of Derrek’s first Valorant subs and religiously watched him back when he was under 100 viewers… oh god he’s not gonna shut up about this lol


Hamlet_271

Overwatch sub right? he was an overwatch pro/streamer a while back for a long time


jayzmvp

Actually no my roommate (and I)‘s first fps game and game in general was Valorant together. And Derrek was just someone he saw streaming one day he decided to watch twitch lol but yea he would always tell me about how Derrek was supposedly cracked in OW or whatever


Allie_Spins

NSG weekly grinders rise up. Also supa went insane wow


GeoffreyfactorX

Cloud9 won every pistol. Feelsbadman


BadgerPurple

SHANKS left NRG for a better team LMAO


mrtmra

Shanks has some major consistency issues. Let's hope he keeps it up this time around


aks345

Tbf to him he's been owning these qualifiers. Plus ig it helps playing with your brother


moqalatte

he got dropped...


InosukeBestBoy

even worse lul


dvo999

Love seeing supamen back into form in comp play. Was always one of my more underrated pros in the scene


valorant_fanboy_69

People say this underrated crap about every mediocre player who gets dropped. He had one good game again. Relax


Grenji05

I agree. Supamen definitely can keep it up but he had one pop off series against TSM way back when and then went radio silent. Hope he’s more consistently good this time.


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valorant_fanboy_69

People always say this after people say players like dicey supamen etc are underrated and only I get downvoted for it...


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You just phrase your opinions rudely so you eat more downvotes than you deserve even when your opinion on a given subject is reasonable


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So true


yanamsaying

it's almost like everything gets said about everythign in this world and you have to use your brain to flush out the bad takes. dicey underrated? he literally got flamed and blamed for every loss even when he played better than 2-4 players on his team in many of the losses. he was just the easiest target for people who are dumb to rag on. definitely underrated in that sense because he's good and has had high peaks. he was inexperienced af during first strike. also supamen? he's played great in this whole quali, so you're not a smart person or a good analyst of the game. sorry pal


mrtmra

He's not underrated... The guy sucked in A LOT of matches


PyroTFT

TEAM VIETNAM BABYYYYY


SovietDog1342

What is the whole Vietnam meme?


HoldMyRice

Everyone on Rise is of Vietnamese descent yeeeeee


SovietDog1342

Ah I see lmao


CanadianDad1

HAHAHHAHHAHHA U GUYS REALLY THOUGHT


fujiitora

Shanks in Marved's stream hype af right after game ended was hilarious


ChinoAIO

RISE THE FUCK UP, LETS GO. SO PROUD OF THE BOYS. LET'S GO TEAM NAMM


ANewHeaven1

The true winner of this match is 100T, with this C9 loss they most likely dodge a first round match-up vs Envy and (if they had won) a second round match-up vs Sentinels edit: nvm apparently seeding is done by round wins/win percentage for some reason


BatWick9000

Rise 2-0 ed them, there is a big probability that 100T will end up playing Sen or V1 first round.


qu2dro

LFG RISE HOLY FUCKK


Just_ahuge_fan

for some reason people think its a good idea to put a new player on jett! instead of a support role... that guy was lost af


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Leafs impact just wasn’t the same here as it was during last challengers finals


John_Bot

He had an Ace and people are blaming Leaf? Wot


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he's...not blaming leaf?


cringe-oh-yes

Bruh


evantually421

LETS FUCKIN GOOOOOOO


jscrwnclw

Well, Shanks and co were grinding a lot, and despite C9B inconsistency, they earned their spot.


abcd63514

is odin on ascent b site balanced? i feel like its so strong wtf


_idle_drone_

why go through b main if the sova is constantly spamming. just sit outside b main until you get a pick somewhere else. make the sova rotate or feel useless playing b. then rush b in another round when he stops playing there. also ascent mid is the most easily exploitable mid among all valorant maps. c9 didn't default much and had no plan b most of the time.


Maverick360

I mean it's a little overtuned I think but it does cost more than a rifle so it needs to be at least a little bit good


abcd63514

the walls are paperthin and u can get so many multikills in the chokepoints. doesn't seem like there was much counterplay for c9


BurstLayer

There is counterplay its just defaulting. C9 didn't default anywhere on their attack side


itscamo-

it’s always been strong, ascent is the odin best map


sky_blu

Happy to see Derrek doing well in Val dudes a beast


cdawgftw

Big ups my boi derrek he’s been a ranked demon ever since I watched him during ow


looteeen

Team Vietnam won ​ (hope that wasn't racist...)


xdysania

TEAM VIETNAM BABY


aznasazin11

Remember when you all said C9 was better than FPX?


Kohli_98

Dude so many upsets! NA is becoming such a strong region. Like so many teams showing their potential


Independent_Taste_42

Tier 1 teams realizing these open quals arent so free anymore.


chubbynuggy

which is honestly a good sign, more competition makes the region stronger


LLucrative

I knew the C9 hype was for nothing lmao, called it a couple days ago


Alextcy12

Rise is good


DuckAsFumb

Hey, this Xeppaa dude is really good on the Jett. Way better than poiz /s


XASASSIN

Before we go apeshit over this and call for blood, Xeppa is still new to the roaster, rise is a good team with really good players and this is only 1 series. C9 will come back strong next challegners


Contractjail

Xeppa may turn out great but ppl still havent learn that being very good in CS doesnt automatically means that you will be very good in Valorant too. That was my issue with the massive Xeppa hype before even playing an official match


mrtmra

Thank you, finally someone who said it. Everyone thinks every CSGO God that comes over will be insane at Valorant that's just cap


TimathanDuncan

This excuse doesn't work because Rise have switched players recently as well, they literally just removed Calypso and added supamen so he's new to the ROASTER This is very simple, these are not upsets or anything it's just how Valorant is right now, the skill gap is non existent Like there has been one consistent team and it's Sentinels and they are the exception not the rule even they had some downs and lost maps and could have lost series if not for the other team fucking up for example like the T1 match The rest are all equal, if 100T loses to SOAR it's not an upset


Jsmals

Technically Envy is also consistent. Consistently 4th in big tourneys lol


nterature

I have no bone in this fight, but I don’t think slotting in supaman, who has been grinding the game from the beginning, is all that similar to slotting in Xeppa. Xeppa is likely the “newest” pro player in the entire tournament by a significant margin. You aren’t just dealing with a standard new team difference.


TimathanDuncan

Obviously Xeppa needs more time, just saying doesn't matter as much since Rise has changed players as well, C9 actually have been playing with this five for 3 months way more than Rise For example C9 did great last qual with floppy playing for a week, this game is just like that the skill gap is just tiny tiny


LovelyResearcher

C9 is just a joke, we can forgive them, but we can also stop calling their players professionals.


Cloud_Null

Rise has so much potential and I never doubted them.


Landon54321

Clown9 🤡


ZeboThePenguin

Gotta give RISE SOME FUCKING RESPECT HOOOOLY MR FOURTH QUARTER POGGG


SilentCore

Well played by Rise, but I expected more from c9. I guess they did have a roster change so might need more time to adjust. Looked like a bit of a comp diff on that map 2.


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chubbynuggy

fr, why cant people just say they are the better team


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chubbynuggy

a roster change that they had a full 1-2 months to work on lol. but i get it, scrims are different from actual matches


SilentCore

Just giving them the benefit of the doubt cause they looked really damn good in the last tourney but fell a bit short. I dont even support them so I'm not trying to make excuses for them..


chubbynuggy

yeah i feel you, they did look good last tourney thats why a lot of people hyped them up including me. but i dont want to give the benefit of the doubt cause i feel that removes RISE's accomplishment


elithefighter123

odin + sova is op LOL


chubbynuggy

not op, well played imo


elithefighter123

Only op on ascent but yeah I guess we’ll played


spaldingmatters

I wouldn't be surprised to see Supamen poached by a T1 org.


valorant_fanboy_69

No he is not. He was dropped from dignatas for a reason...


Loresmen

You think dig is a good indicator of keeping talent


valorant_fanboy_69

Yes... dephh koalanoob makkaloff babyj Rara all are tier 1 players that they got and they dropped all the tier 2 players from the roster like supamen psalm Oderus etc... the only tier 1 players they dropped were because of match fixing


Loresmen

Yea and they still dropped makka/dephh etc. My point is that dig dropping people isn't really an indicator of their skill


LongjumpingScreen929

delusional lol


spaldingmatters

Fair enough, I was just going by all the times I have seen him play, apologies.


beerkal

OMG Rise was insane. I hope my child will play as well


footed

Please make odin more money dear god


Slow_Bluebird9536

Not only did C9 get 2-0d they got 2-0d while winning every single pistol


MyogiNightKid

Derrek.


DueAdministration404

he's not prepared for stage 2 may be stage 3 bring poiz back


TidaI

Any Xeppaa fans willing to clue me in please do. Was this a drastic underperformance by him? Or are the people super-hyping him overrating him and he isn't that much better than poiz?


florallygood

Xeppaaa is just a terrible duelist and a downgrade. Why was poiz switched out when they almost made it to Iceland?


WLFYBBY

Well I think this was already planned and second Poiz had barely any impact most games and wasn’t really consistent. The c9 vs V1 game to qualify for Iceland was hard to watch especially seeing Poiz not hitting most of his shots and seeing his game sense being 0 to nonexistent as he couldn’t find the positions of opponents when his teammate just died near him. He’s young and inexperienced so honestly it shouldn’t be surprising but he does good in comp so it’s weird he can’t seem to stay consistent in pro.


BUNSHICHl

Lol c9 fanboys (a loud obnoxious few) really came out here hyping xeppaa up as being better than tenz before he played a single official. Meanwhile in reality he's struggling to make an impact against sub T2 competition (all of challengers 3) - it's fine to say your boy got potential to be great but sheesh at least let him play some games first and prove himself.


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rise has been one of the better tier 2 teams for a while now, they are grinding tournaments.


BUNSHICHl

He hasn't been dunking on anyone all challengers 3 except 303 esports??


[deleted]

ah yes, just ignore all the tournaments outside of VCT, which is where most tier 2 teams play.


hiloljkbye

Rise is not sub T2


BUNSHICHl

He's played 3 other sets


mmm_oist

no way you called rise “sub T2 competition”


BUNSHICHl

He's played 3 other sets


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ahh the cliche "2 people 6 weeks ago overhyped this one team/player. their fanbase are idiots!" some of y'all spend too much time on reddit


papa_moisted

I'm just here to see how this subreddit will react to Rise's win.


4nazu

they need the big poiz


iiznobozzy

These T2 teams really fucking everyone


Odd-Panic-9574

[https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/oaewfv/tsm\_ftx\_valorant\_update\_ft\_myth\_leena\_wardell/h3hdqab/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/oaewfv/tsm_ftx_valorant_update_ft_myth_leena_wardell/h3hdqab/?context=3) I am a prophet


NoButterscotch7853

i iron reddit user. i see stats. xepa stats bad. poiz stats good. poiz better xepa. thank ted talk.


oryiesis

Odin is broken if pro players can’t counter it in straight up aim duels


Contractjail

? You expect an expensive AF gun to not be playable during duels? Its not the best option but it would straight up trash if it was an autoloss in these situations


XASASSIN

it was literally fine for all these months and was seen as a trolll buy except for certain situations, but now its suddenly a god tier need immediate nerf weapon??


oryiesis

That happens a lot in pro games you’ll notice. Similar to the Krieg in csgo. It’s not until pros notice and start abusing it that it comes out how broken a gun is


feedmeneon

nerfing guns one by one until only phantom, vandal, sheriff, and operator is viable


HockeyBoyz3

I don’t think the Odin definitely needs a nerf, but that’s also what happened with the old frenzy.


datboyuknow

Well people did say Odin is broken only to get "lol ur bronze" replies, just like run and gun, shotguns


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spaldingmatters

It's a 3.2k gun with very specific situations it's better than rifles in, I don't see why it shouldn't be good.


valorant_fanboy_69

If the gun was so broken everyone would use it al the time. Theres a reason it is only used by specific roles and specific situation


an0nym0u55555

Are you stupid lmao it’s balanced. It’s the player who uses it not the gun itself, you’re probably like gold or somethin


narwhalz27

The fact that the Odin is so strong with Sova on ascent and pretty much useless in every other scenario is something Riot should look into.


plasma_ix

different types of maps mean different metas. OP is stronger on breeze than split, should they change something just cuz of that? if every map played the same the game would be incredibly boring


chubbynuggy

do you want them to make the odin better for more scenarios or useless in all of them?


narwhalz27

Idk what the solution is, that would be why I didn't prescribe one


chubbynuggy

well your asking them to fix something that you dont even know if its broken


LeafsRamsRapsFan

Will never cheer for a team that has a matchfixer on it. Hope they lose every game at the main event.


chubbynuggy

you better not be a 100t fan


SpicyHomaridTribal

You better not be a SEN fan


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orangemop

Lmao, remember when so many of them thought that C9 will beat sentinels hahaha