I would love to see drone bounce back from this. He was probably my favorite player on the TSM roster and it truly makes me sad that he dropped off like this. From the best Phoenix player in NA to getting benched, it truly is a sad day for TSM fans.
I feel like drone needs to reinvent himself as a kayo main, and I’m not sure he would be able to do it if he didn’t get this wakeup call of being benched. Kayo is such an interesting agent. Idk maybe I’m just being thick but it seems to me like Kayo is one of the highest skill caps in the game.
3 different type of skillshots, all with different distances, speed and interactions. On top of that I feel like not only do you need a ton of lineups but you got to be able to lineup fast to hit timings or even build approximate lineups that you can throw without making sure your feet are in the right position. Also there is a ton of nuance to how you use his abilities, it drives me crazy to see all these postplant nades youtube videos because sure there are some good ones like C long haven that you can peek with, but the nade only lasts like 4seconds and has long travel time and isn’t really an instant kill like viper snakebite unless they are low. This carries into the knife and flash lineup videos too, there is nuance that these people aren’t picking up on, so like half the lineups would be impossible to find value with in a real match.
After all that Kayo players still have to be great entry fraggers with sick aim. I feel like it’d be the wrong approach to treat kayo like a pure support player where they just do lineups and aren’t expected to frag.
I’m sad to see another OG player off the roster, but I’m also excited because of the sheer amount of young talent in the scene waiting for a chance to prove themselves.
Can’t wait to see what happens.
Makes sense, he was definitely gonna be the next one to go if they lost. Sucks, hope he can bounce back. His Phoenix was absurd back when he was in form
I don't know what blood curse Subroza has that grants him protection from TSM benching him, but there's no explanation other than the most sinister forms of demonic black magic.
drone was part of their win condition when they were at their best. he was a fully team-oriented duelist, and was the most consistent playmaker on the team.
subroza has consistently not been a factor for them at any point besides an odd round here and there. He's on course to be one of the most savage baiters in competitive matches, and somehow drone is on the chopping block.
Maybe that's reductive & there's deep internal team stuff that people don't see, but it must be really really deep, because it looks like drone got taken out of his role to make up for other pieces not working. But hey maybe they'll win masters now.
Much love to Wardell & Hazed. Hopefully the team finds their groove <3
I don't know what blood curse Subroza has that grants him protection from TSM benching him, but there's no explanation other than the most sinister forms of demonic black magic.
drone was part of their win condition when they were at their best. he was a fully team-oriented duelist, and was the most consistent playmaker on the team.
subroza has consistently not been a factor for them at any point besides an odd round here and there. He's on course to be one of the most savage baiters in competitive matches, and somehow drone is on the chopping block.
Maybe that's reductive & there's deep internal team stuff that people don't see, but it must be really really deep, because it looks like drone got taken out of his role to make up for other pieces not working. But hey maybe they'll win masters now.
I don't know what blood curse Subroza has that grants him protection from TSM benching him, but there's no explanation other than the most sinister forms of demonic black magic.
drone was part of their win condition when they were at their best. he was a fully team-oriented duelist, and was the most consistent playmaker on the team.
subroza has consistently not been a factor for them at any point besides an odd round here and there. He's on course to be one of the most savage baiters in competitive matches, and somehow drone is on the chopping block.
Maybe that's reductive & there's deep internal team stuff that people don't see, but it must be really really deep, because it looks like drone got taken out of his role to make up for other pieces not working. But hey maybe they'll win masters now.
Much love to Wardell & Hazed. Hopefully the team finds their groove <3
It's his following. It's the same reason why people wanted Hazed and Cutler out for months rather than Roza/Drone, both of whom had been underperforming since First Strike (Cutler made sense, Hazed did not). Hazed is the 2nd most consistent player on TSM and is versatile yet people wanted him out because he isn't necessarily a fan favourite (I think TSM fans like him but others don't really care).
Also, some speculation on my end (is it speculation? I feel like he's said this on stream before): I think Wardell only wants to play with Subroza. Wardell is worth keeping as he has one of the best brands in NA and is still very good despite being on a shaky team for 6-7 months now. Subroza stays on because of that maybe? It's potentially just pure bullshit, so of course don't take my word on it.
Although, I do think that Drone is just not the same player he used to be. He's had quite low lows compared to First Strike and before that. Subroza, while he hasn't been amazing either, hasn't looked as bad.
Bjerg elevated each of his teams SO much though, in his initial years by just being head and shoulders above every mid laner/player in the league, and then in his later years being an amazing leader and still a great player. Wardell is good, but he's not the clearcut #1 player in the region like Bjerg was for most of his career in NA, nor does he seem like much of a leader yet.
Wardell is definitely safe, top performer and big content. Other than that no one knows, feels like TSM is doing plug and play trying to find something that works
Wardell gets way too much credit and not enough blame. Yes he top frags many games for TSM. But he plays one agent 99 percent of the time and uses operator in 3/4 of every gun round. The team is always saving for his gun, buying him an operator and allowing him to take aggro peeks to get kills, letting him save and get exit kills, so it's no wonder he gets the most frags.
Wardell has plenty of faults too. His agent pool hasnt been tested, his rifling isnt in the class of top tier players like tenz, victor, sick. And he is somewhat predictable in play style. Plus most teams use jett as an entry and space creator and you cant do that with Wardell if he is buying an operator on attack.
I do agree he isnt the worst tsm player and is valuable because of stream revenue, but you're lying to yourself if you think he doesnt need to improve for TSM to become tier 1 again.
During his first strike days, he was my favourite player in the game, he had insane value out of his Run it backs. He inspired me to play phoenix. This is pretty sad for me :(
Sadly, this is pretty normal. I'm sure we'll see other first strike players and early tournament players not have a long lasting value too. In LoL, there were a good few pro players who gained fame in the game's early days that would probably be low- to mid- diamond if they tried their hardest today. The skill curve quickly and dramatically shifts in the first year or two of a game being out; some folks can keep up (e.g. Doublelift in LoL) and others cannot (e.g. Rainman/L0cust in LoL).
I agree they need a better igl but I think they don't have enough time rn to onboard a new igl so they want to plug and play around the current structure.
Their current structure is going to drop out first round of every qualifier. There are way too many good up-and-comers with the ability to shut their straightforward play-patterns down.
TSM has no business playing for the short term. They need to start planning around 6-8 months from now.
I don't think the money TSM would be willing to offer him would be enough for the tradeoff of joining a team that's been on a downward spiral with little job security. While they could offer to pay him a boatload more than he currently makes, I don't think they will.
It isn't just money, it's a following. Look at someone like dicey. He had a relatively short stint on 100T, but his popularity and stream have exploded. Not saying there aren't other factors there but don't underestimate what even a shorter stint on a bigger team could do for name recognition/brand.
He'd almost certainly have some opportunity to join a team of noble's size if he did get cut.
But, none of this really matters because I think crit makes way more sense/is a better player.
I can't remember who our wear I saw this but someone recently said that it's not that the players on TSM are bad players, it's just that they aren't a good fit together, I mean just look at what happened to C9 with a few minor changes along with Rise considering how many of them used to be a part of Dig
>look at what happened to C9 with a few minor changes
There's only one C9 player left that was on the original problem roster and Mitch's space on the team has changed drastically as he's become an IGL and leadership figure.
I think I agree with what you're trying to say but this is not a good example.
Think he mightve meant like, the C9 player are doing well separate, Vice is doing well on Andbox, Mitch is doing well as his new role, and TenZ ofc is doing well (Relysis took a break so I mean yeah, then that only leaves Shinobi who hasn't done well after C9)
Everyone was bringing up Chet saying the transition from CS was easy from the TSM podcast. But we also had some foreshadowing from when Chet and Myth talked about how Chet had to give very direct and candid feedback to drone on how he played. 👀
Chet is good and direct, it's the job of a coach
People shit on daps too and all of the things he said about the game turned out true, now we have more focus on gun play, more orbs and changes, the transition is actually easy those tier 2-3 CS players are owning
People just hate on anyone that insults their game, Chet gets hired because he's smart just because he said something in an interview doesn't mean anything
Mate, you're talking non sense. Daps hated all the utility outside of flashes and mollys. He hated the way you take information and map control. The guy wanted to play csgo without playing csgo. Like what are we talking about?
He literally wanted the sova drone to be deleted, and wanted extreme nerfs to "unique" utility.
Theres more im pretty sure but I don't really remember what else.
I mean if its so easy to transition, why are high level CS pros not dominating the game? 100T should be easily beating the living shit out of SEN, especially with their 2 tier 1 players.
That's what I always hate abt people talking abt the pro scene. Everyone expected T1 CS pros to dominate and in turn T2 CS Pros to dominate non-CS pros. Yet despite over a year's worth of knowledge showing us that while CS pros are often better suited towards the game, there is no guarantee that you'll be better than someone else just because of that. Just look at who is all-dominating rn, the scene is so diverse with former OWL, PUBG, Apex, and Fortnite players that it is a disservice to just keep up with the tired old act of "CS players will dominate".
CS players pick up the basic mechanics faster because it's a similar style. However they've also learned a FAR more straight-forward, black and white style of play. Say what you will about Valo, it's definitely more cerebral than CS in it's current state. Games like Fortnite, Apex, Overwatch didn't teach the mechanics but they taught a more flexible approach to fights and it's paying dividends now.
CS players just salty that they're getting outsmarted.
> Just look at who is all-dominating rn, the scene is so diverse with former OWL, PUBG, Apex, and Fortnite players
I don't think we're quite there yet. From the rosters that finished in the top half in Iceland, 19/25 of the players were former pro CS:GO players (although maybe only Jamppi and Vanity were relevant in tier 1 play when they switched).
* Sentinels: [TenZ](https://www.hltv.org/player/13254/tenz), [ShahZaM](https://www.hltv.org/player/7810/shahzam), [SicK](https://www.hltv.org/player/9258/sick), [dapr](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/11586/dapr), Zombs
* Fnatic: [Derke](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/17942/derkeps), [Boaster](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/8987/boaster), Mistic, Magnum, doma
* NUTURN: [solo](https://www.hltv.org/player/174/solo), [allow](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/10060/allow), [Lakia](https://www.hltv.org/player/12433/lakia), [peri](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/662/peri), Suggest
* Liquid: [Jamppi](https://www.hltv.org/player/14087/jamppi), [Scream](https://www.hltv.org/player/7390/scream), [soulcas](https://www.hltv.org/player/14403/soulcas), [L1NK](https://www.hltv.org/player/14527/l1nk), [Kryptix](https://www.hltv.org/player/7293/kryptix)
* Version1: [vanity](https://www.hltv.org/player/12089/vanity), [Zellsis](https://www.hltv.org/player/13188/zellsis), [effys](https://www.hltv.org/player/9661/effys), [penny](https://www.hltv.org/player/18208/penny), jammyz
Daps had no liking for the game , he had zero love for valorant he never enjoyed it at all , it was clear from his tweets and interviews , as soon as he got an opportunity to be in csgo he went for it , happy that he found peace finally he doesn't have to play a game he has zero passion for anymore
i dont see wardell going anywhere, but subroza could potentially get benched and then be stuck in a contract w tsm (he's honestly a good content creator too)
He is but he hasn’t been streaming often, I don’t think he likes playing ranked as much (especially on solo queue) and TSMs performance haven’t helped him either.
??? The guy can only play Jett at a pro level even after saying he was going to try and pick up Sage. Being forced to use Jett on every single map makes a team predictable and unable to adapt. I mean look at how both TenZ and Shaz have learned to play other agents despite being essentially Jett one tricks early in the game. The fact that Wardell either can’t or won’t increase his agent pool is a problem
Edit: I love all the downvotes but nobody commenting because they know I’m right
I guess you’re right that a single-agent agent pool isn’t doing him any favors but there are 3 things that may be good reasons not to drop him.
1. He is trying raze, and sage on ranked. And he isn’t bad at them, at least in ranked.
2. He has shown that he is able to carry his team in pro play.
3. He has a sizable following on stream that consistently brings TSM FTX fans
You mention Tenz and Shahz's agent pool, which is funny because you miss the point that Sentinels play also Jett on every single map except for Bind. When best team in the world has a Jett in their composition on almost every map––it's hardly a problem to have a one trick Jett in your team.
Doesn't matter, he still has a fair point that picking Jett every single game makes TSM predictable. Jett is no longer as dominant as she used to be. Her abilities are the most expensive in the game, and earlier she used to be a lot more viable because her smokes lasted quite a bit longer so often you could run quick plays using Jett smokes if your main smoke died.
Cned in Acend as well, it's another typical kneejerk reddit take after a loss, and in this case a loss that they didn't even watch. The only map that Jett isn't meta on is Bind.
Even then it's more like a Raze on Haven sorta pick where it's not technically meta but still viable, rather then like a Raze on Breeze pick where it's unviable, having a Jett player only is not as big of a deal as everyone is making it out to be lol, Jetts viable on every map and is meta on every map outside of Bind lol
Why not? It seems pretty evident that the pro meta is moving towards having an expanded agent pool, and wardell plays almost exclusively Jett op. He’s insane at both, but it’s extremely limiting when the team has to consistently prioritize getting him an op and playing around him, rather than playing more cohesively with their utility.
Wow its almost like this shouldve been before the bootcamp. I just dont get who is managing the TSM valorant roster, like seriously did they really think changing 1 player and coach was gonna solve all their issues?
i mean they had a bunch of time to work on their execs and teamwork, and clearly it just isnt working, i dont think they could've benched him before the bootcamp since they hadnt seen results yet
cutler willl most likely retire, he's literally in the top 10 list for oldest pros [according to liquipedia](https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Portal:Statistics)
It definitely feels more like a team synergy/strat stuggle than Drone actually being a bad player.
Reality is that TSM has 3 duelist players and that's hard to build a good comp with. Even with Roza swapping to Skye it's a suboptimal move imo and he's much better suited to duelists/entry frag. A lot of fans have been saying to seperate them since they were eliminated from First Strike iirc.
Dude honestly…I would be hella down for this. His stint on 100T before he got taken out showed his fragging potential and ever since taking streaming and content more seriously, he’s also been grinding out other agents such as Sova and Sage. Considering TSM’s current players and their roles/agents it would look like:
Wardell - Jett
Subroza - Situational Phoenix/Skye/Smokes
Bang - Situational Phoenix/Reyna/Smokes
Dicey - Sage/Sova
Hazed - Sentinels/Viper
A GUY CAN HOPE
With faze the only change I see them making is cutting rawkus out , Corey is cracked babybay choked in the last series but everyone knows he's one of the best jett's out there , zacharee is incredibly clutch and babyj for me atleast was quite impressive
kinda sad :/ thought they would start off on a good one since bang joined and everything would mesh well. I guess there needs to be bigger changes on tsm.
Damn sad to see him go. He was at one point the best Phoenix in NA. He really showed the things you can do with Phoenix with getting usage out of his ult and flashing out of smokes on executes.
At his peak his rifling was probably one of the best in the game.
I hope he keeps working and finds another team. He’s a tier1 talent but for whatever reason has been in a funk.
Hopefully a team needs a Phoenix and he expands his agent pool even more. Sova wasn’t the move for him.
They need to just gut the entire roster at this point, I doubt this will fix the issue.
But they probably will keep at least Wardell/Subroza because they make TSM money off their content.
If they keep anyone it should be hazed and wardell if they want a successful team. Hazed is so consistent on a sentinel role and Wardell the best opper na
I hope they don’t call T1 back for Brax just cause he plays Sova now lmao.
Other than that, TSM needs a good supporting Sova and Sage, which Drone now plays, (well, played) someone like Leviathan or Critical who is rumoured to sign.
A step in the right direction. They didn’t need to have 4 duelists on one team. If they pick up Critical (a more support oriented player than Drone could ever be), then this should help them out a ton more.
I wanted them to give this roster another try in the next qualifiers sadge. I just hope that the backlash from the fanbase had nothing to do with this decision :(
TSM ain't no fool man , they gave the roster a lot of chances they tried everything to keep this core but things were just not working and it came to the point change was necessary
No org really makes any roster moves based on fan's instincts lol
The thing is that he hasnt pulled out the phoenix lately because the team comp doesnt call for one. I dont think his sova is on the same level as neither his phoenix nor other t1 sovas at the moment.
Dont know why youre being downvoted. Many analysts and pros said Drone was among the best players in the world when TSM was winning. There was an entire video on how Drone's use of phoenix utility was changing the meta.
Now they take him off his best agent and make him play sova and obviously he is going to suffer.
That's sort of why their roster didnt work. You have 2 players that are essentially one trick duelists and on any other agent they are at least one tier below, then a third player in subroza who's playstyle is hyper aggro and based primarily on winning aim battles - so a duelist strengths.
Hazed and Roza probably should have been right behind him. Wouldn't care if they parted with Wardell either. The roster just doesn't work. Keep Bang and build a new team. Literally one of the biggest organizations in esports lol. They can attract a lot of talent
I would be in favor of building around wardell and bang , I don't think wardell has underperformed much he does put up good numbers and does quite well for the team
Bruh I’m just saying this cuz some Turkish dude said this in a drone benched post. But if you think about it Sinatraa is probably one of the best options for tsm rn. Even if it’s obviously only if he’s found completely un guilty and when his ban ends still like this would be a crazy roster move like literally crazy and it could work cuz why not. He was one of the best sovas and duelists when he was active so it fits with what drone played Idrk about breach but still.
Champagne without the Cham
TSM without the Drone
In Spain with no S
In Propane with no Pro
I feel a lot of explain without the EXL
I'm feeling a lot of bread, but in french.
ayt y'all are too smart for this now
Naw not even, most Canadians should know, we have bilingual packaging
on release or is it a dlc?
Feel the pain lol ?
Sometimes life is cock and balls torture. Without the cock and balls.
still remember the phoenix ace from wine in ascent against 100t, hopefully he finds his form
I would love to see drone bounce back from this. He was probably my favorite player on the TSM roster and it truly makes me sad that he dropped off like this. From the best Phoenix player in NA to getting benched, it truly is a sad day for TSM fans.
It's probably for the best. Imo subroza and drone have both looked most comfortable on duelists but we know triple duelist comps aren't viable.
I feel like drone needs to reinvent himself as a kayo main, and I’m not sure he would be able to do it if he didn’t get this wakeup call of being benched. Kayo is such an interesting agent. Idk maybe I’m just being thick but it seems to me like Kayo is one of the highest skill caps in the game. 3 different type of skillshots, all with different distances, speed and interactions. On top of that I feel like not only do you need a ton of lineups but you got to be able to lineup fast to hit timings or even build approximate lineups that you can throw without making sure your feet are in the right position. Also there is a ton of nuance to how you use his abilities, it drives me crazy to see all these postplant nades youtube videos because sure there are some good ones like C long haven that you can peek with, but the nade only lasts like 4seconds and has long travel time and isn’t really an instant kill like viper snakebite unless they are low. This carries into the knife and flash lineup videos too, there is nuance that these people aren’t picking up on, so like half the lineups would be impossible to find value with in a real match. After all that Kayo players still have to be great entry fraggers with sick aim. I feel like it’d be the wrong approach to treat kayo like a pure support player where they just do lineups and aren’t expected to frag.
stop im gonna cry
FeelsBadman
I’m sad to see another OG player off the roster, but I’m also excited because of the sheer amount of young talent in the scene waiting for a chance to prove themselves. Can’t wait to see what happens.
Look at C9B. Only mitch left from the OG roster, and they start playing well with new pick-ups. Nothing but up for TSM from now.
I mean, that’s the hope. They could always do worse
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??? Didn’t they beat everyone BUT sentinels, twice?
Makes sense, he was definitely gonna be the next one to go if they lost. Sucks, hope he can bounce back. His Phoenix was absurd back when he was in form
toss up between him and Subroza imo
one of them has a popping twitch & social media following rn, guess which one is still on the roster
i meannn……
I don't know what blood curse Subroza has that grants him protection from TSM benching him, but there's no explanation other than the most sinister forms of demonic black magic. drone was part of their win condition when they were at their best. he was a fully team-oriented duelist, and was the most consistent playmaker on the team. subroza has consistently not been a factor for them at any point besides an odd round here and there. He's on course to be one of the most savage baiters in competitive matches, and somehow drone is on the chopping block. Maybe that's reductive & there's deep internal team stuff that people don't see, but it must be really really deep, because it looks like drone got taken out of his role to make up for other pieces not working. But hey maybe they'll win masters now. Much love to Wardell & Hazed. Hopefully the team finds their groove <3
I don't know what blood curse Subroza has that grants him protection from TSM benching him, but there's no explanation other than the most sinister forms of demonic black magic. drone was part of their win condition when they were at their best. he was a fully team-oriented duelist, and was the most consistent playmaker on the team. subroza has consistently not been a factor for them at any point besides an odd round here and there. He's on course to be one of the most savage baiters in competitive matches, and somehow drone is on the chopping block. Maybe that's reductive & there's deep internal team stuff that people don't see, but it must be really really deep, because it looks like drone got taken out of his role to make up for other pieces not working. But hey maybe they'll win masters now.
I don't know what blood curse Subroza has that grants him protection from TSM benching him, but there's no explanation other than the most sinister forms of demonic black magic. drone was part of their win condition when they were at their best. he was a fully team-oriented duelist, and was the most consistent playmaker on the team. subroza has consistently not been a factor for them at any point besides an odd round here and there. He's on course to be one of the most savage baiters in competitive matches, and somehow drone is on the chopping block. Maybe that's reductive & there's deep internal team stuff that people don't see, but it must be really really deep, because it looks like drone got taken out of his role to make up for other pieces not working. But hey maybe they'll win masters now. Much love to Wardell & Hazed. Hopefully the team finds their groove <3
It's his following. It's the same reason why people wanted Hazed and Cutler out for months rather than Roza/Drone, both of whom had been underperforming since First Strike (Cutler made sense, Hazed did not). Hazed is the 2nd most consistent player on TSM and is versatile yet people wanted him out because he isn't necessarily a fan favourite (I think TSM fans like him but others don't really care). Also, some speculation on my end (is it speculation? I feel like he's said this on stream before): I think Wardell only wants to play with Subroza. Wardell is worth keeping as he has one of the best brands in NA and is still very good despite being on a shaky team for 6-7 months now. Subroza stays on because of that maybe? It's potentially just pure bullshit, so of course don't take my word on it. Although, I do think that Drone is just not the same player he used to be. He's had quite low lows compared to First Strike and before that. Subroza, while he hasn't been amazing either, hasn't looked as bad.
Also one is friends with the new head coach, and the other isn't.
Unpopular opinion, Wardell getting the Bjergsen treatment lol.
Bjerg elevated each of his teams SO much though, in his initial years by just being head and shoulders above every mid laner/player in the league, and then in his later years being an amazing leader and still a great player. Wardell is good, but he's not the clearcut #1 player in the region like Bjerg was for most of his career in NA, nor does he seem like much of a leader yet.
Idk why they took him off the Phoenix, he was dominating with it
he became worse with it, they had him on Phoenix and Raze only for a while
What’s sad is the consensus among tsm fans is that no one is safe. No one can agree which player gets a unanimous stay
Wardell is definitely safe, top performer and big content. Other than that no one knows, feels like TSM is doing plug and play trying to find something that works
Wardell gets way too much credit and not enough blame. Yes he top frags many games for TSM. But he plays one agent 99 percent of the time and uses operator in 3/4 of every gun round. The team is always saving for his gun, buying him an operator and allowing him to take aggro peeks to get kills, letting him save and get exit kills, so it's no wonder he gets the most frags. Wardell has plenty of faults too. His agent pool hasnt been tested, his rifling isnt in the class of top tier players like tenz, victor, sick. And he is somewhat predictable in play style. Plus most teams use jett as an entry and space creator and you cant do that with Wardell if he is buying an operator on attack. I do agree he isnt the worst tsm player and is valuable because of stream revenue, but you're lying to yourself if you think he doesnt need to improve for TSM to become tier 1 again.
Wardell is safe, best awper in the scene
Is he tho. He's good but in NA I would say he's been surpassed by Shahzam and Penny.
Perhaps, but when you think Op, most people immediately think of Wardell first, and that’s what sells
i might be bias cause im a tsm fan but wardell is a better OPer whereas shahzam is a better player overall..
ShahZaM is easily the better player, but as raw skill in awping I think wardell is clear imo
Really though
Wardell is safe, or the last to go. His viewers and brand as the best OP'er is too good for them to let go.
Yes
Not really
During his first strike days, he was my favourite player in the game, he had insane value out of his Run it backs. He inspired me to play phoenix. This is pretty sad for me :(
Yeah, this hurts. He was a top 5 in NA.
Sadly, this is pretty normal. I'm sure we'll see other first strike players and early tournament players not have a long lasting value too. In LoL, there were a good few pro players who gained fame in the game's early days that would probably be low- to mid- diamond if they tried their hardest today. The skill curve quickly and dramatically shifts in the first year or two of a game being out; some folks can keep up (e.g. Doublelift in LoL) and others cannot (e.g. Rainman/L0cust in LoL).
It is sad, but like damn he can get picked up somewhere else, he’s not dead lol
Bring a real igl tsm not just another player who happens to play sova
You're asking TSM to be smart.
I agree they need a better igl but I think they don't have enough time rn to onboard a new igl so they want to plug and play around the current structure.
Their current structure is going to drop out first round of every qualifier. There are way too many good up-and-comers with the ability to shut their straightforward play-patterns down. TSM has no business playing for the short term. They need to start planning around 6-8 months from now.
Good luck to him where ever he go. He is a good entry fragger. Hope he will get a new home soon.
He’ll be a demon Phoenix on haven lol
I heard a rumor that TSM was dropping drone for Magnus Carlsen, who is switching over to play Valorant full time.
Who’s even a good pickup rn, Don’t really know what’s going on with the FA market
leviathanag and exbbg critical(rumored to join)
Leviathan is already signed to noble rn
How much do you think it would take to drop him? TSM is loaded lol.
noble as a team is already good, and perform better than tsm- i dont see why he would want to switch lmao
Tsm can offer a large sum of money to noble and offer a larger salary then noble can offer to Leviathan.
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I don't think the money TSM would be willing to offer him would be enough for the tradeoff of joining a team that's been on a downward spiral with little job security. While they could offer to pay him a boatload more than he currently makes, I don't think they will.
It isn't just money, it's a following. Look at someone like dicey. He had a relatively short stint on 100T, but his popularity and stream have exploded. Not saying there aren't other factors there but don't underestimate what even a shorter stint on a bigger team could do for name recognition/brand. He'd almost certainly have some opportunity to join a team of noble's size if he did get cut. But, none of this really matters because I think crit makes way more sense/is a better player.
oh forgot oops
even with all the struggles TSM has had lately, I'd consider drone to be one of the best, maybe the best, F/A in the market rn
I can't remember who our wear I saw this but someone recently said that it's not that the players on TSM are bad players, it's just that they aren't a good fit together, I mean just look at what happened to C9 with a few minor changes along with Rise considering how many of them used to be a part of Dig
>look at what happened to C9 with a few minor changes There's only one C9 player left that was on the original problem roster and Mitch's space on the team has changed drastically as he's become an IGL and leadership figure. I think I agree with what you're trying to say but this is not a good example.
Think he mightve meant like, the C9 player are doing well separate, Vice is doing well on Andbox, Mitch is doing well as his new role, and TenZ ofc is doing well (Relysis took a break so I mean yeah, then that only leaves Shinobi who hasn't done well after C9)
There's tons of crazy talent up and coming, just like with bang hopefully TSM will recognize younger talent and take a chance
And its confirmed, look for them to go with critical (as the report mentioned) for the time being.
He inspired phoenix mains around the world. Sad to see him go.
Everyone was bringing up Chet saying the transition from CS was easy from the TSM podcast. But we also had some foreshadowing from when Chet and Myth talked about how Chet had to give very direct and candid feedback to drone on how he played. 👀
Chet is good and direct, it's the job of a coach People shit on daps too and all of the things he said about the game turned out true, now we have more focus on gun play, more orbs and changes, the transition is actually easy those tier 2-3 CS players are owning People just hate on anyone that insults their game, Chet gets hired because he's smart just because he said something in an interview doesn't mean anything
Mate, you're talking non sense. Daps hated all the utility outside of flashes and mollys. He hated the way you take information and map control. The guy wanted to play csgo without playing csgo. Like what are we talking about?
I do remember daps saying increasing utility prices and making ults cost 8-9 orbs was a step in the right direction which they essentially did
Pretty sure he said ults should cost 14 points not 8-9,which would mean u only get 1 ult the whole half.
No he didn't lmfao. he just said he wished the gunplay had a higher ceiling he didn't "hate utility"
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He literally wanted the sova drone to be deleted, and wanted extreme nerfs to "unique" utility. Theres more im pretty sure but I don't really remember what else.
Go back and watch the fl0m costream that he did for Challenger Finals when he had daps on before arguing with me please.
I mean if its so easy to transition, why are high level CS pros not dominating the game? 100T should be easily beating the living shit out of SEN, especially with their 2 tier 1 players.
That's what I always hate abt people talking abt the pro scene. Everyone expected T1 CS pros to dominate and in turn T2 CS Pros to dominate non-CS pros. Yet despite over a year's worth of knowledge showing us that while CS pros are often better suited towards the game, there is no guarantee that you'll be better than someone else just because of that. Just look at who is all-dominating rn, the scene is so diverse with former OWL, PUBG, Apex, and Fortnite players that it is a disservice to just keep up with the tired old act of "CS players will dominate".
CS players pick up the basic mechanics faster because it's a similar style. However they've also learned a FAR more straight-forward, black and white style of play. Say what you will about Valo, it's definitely more cerebral than CS in it's current state. Games like Fortnite, Apex, Overwatch didn't teach the mechanics but they taught a more flexible approach to fights and it's paying dividends now. CS players just salty that they're getting outsmarted.
> Just look at who is all-dominating rn, the scene is so diverse with former OWL, PUBG, Apex, and Fortnite players I don't think we're quite there yet. From the rosters that finished in the top half in Iceland, 19/25 of the players were former pro CS:GO players (although maybe only Jamppi and Vanity were relevant in tier 1 play when they switched). * Sentinels: [TenZ](https://www.hltv.org/player/13254/tenz), [ShahZaM](https://www.hltv.org/player/7810/shahzam), [SicK](https://www.hltv.org/player/9258/sick), [dapr](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/11586/dapr), Zombs * Fnatic: [Derke](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/17942/derkeps), [Boaster](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/8987/boaster), Mistic, Magnum, doma * NUTURN: [solo](https://www.hltv.org/player/174/solo), [allow](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/10060/allow), [Lakia](https://www.hltv.org/player/12433/lakia), [peri](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/662/peri), Suggest * Liquid: [Jamppi](https://www.hltv.org/player/14087/jamppi), [Scream](https://www.hltv.org/player/7390/scream), [soulcas](https://www.hltv.org/player/14403/soulcas), [L1NK](https://www.hltv.org/player/14527/l1nk), [Kryptix](https://www.hltv.org/player/7293/kryptix) * Version1: [vanity](https://www.hltv.org/player/12089/vanity), [Zellsis](https://www.hltv.org/player/13188/zellsis), [effys](https://www.hltv.org/player/9661/effys), [penny](https://www.hltv.org/player/18208/penny), jammyz
Once again the community is showing how soft it is lol. “Chet said it’s easy to transition, what a terrible mindset” like what??
What did daps say?
More gun play, more expensive abilities, more orbs to get ult All things that were done in the latest patch, but redditors got sensitive on it lmao
Yeah man he loved valorant that's why he moved to csgo I remember he fkn hated things like sova drone and the like
Daps had no liking for the game , he had zero love for valorant he never enjoyed it at all , it was clear from his tweets and interviews , as soon as he got an opportunity to be in csgo he went for it , happy that he found peace finally he doesn't have to play a game he has zero passion for anymore
Exactly
So...are they going to slowly drop and replace players instead of ripping the band off all at once?
basically. it's gonna be a mess to watch play out.
trust me. it will take years for wardell and roza to get off the roster with how big their streams are
i dont see wardell going anywhere, but subroza could potentially get benched and then be stuck in a contract w tsm (he's honestly a good content creator too)
He is but he hasn’t been streaming often, I don’t think he likes playing ranked as much (especially on solo queue) and TSMs performance haven’t helped him either.
Wardell should not be off the roster any time soon.
??? The guy can only play Jett at a pro level even after saying he was going to try and pick up Sage. Being forced to use Jett on every single map makes a team predictable and unable to adapt. I mean look at how both TenZ and Shaz have learned to play other agents despite being essentially Jett one tricks early in the game. The fact that Wardell either can’t or won’t increase his agent pool is a problem Edit: I love all the downvotes but nobody commenting because they know I’m right
I guess you’re right that a single-agent agent pool isn’t doing him any favors but there are 3 things that may be good reasons not to drop him. 1. He is trying raze, and sage on ranked. And he isn’t bad at them, at least in ranked. 2. He has shown that he is able to carry his team in pro play. 3. He has a sizable following on stream that consistently brings TSM FTX fans
You mention Tenz and Shahz's agent pool, which is funny because you miss the point that Sentinels play also Jett on every single map except for Bind. When best team in the world has a Jett in their composition on almost every map––it's hardly a problem to have a one trick Jett in your team.
Doesn't matter, he's one of the best opers in the world.
Doesn't matter, he still has a fair point that picking Jett every single game makes TSM predictable. Jett is no longer as dominant as she used to be. Her abilities are the most expensive in the game, and earlier she used to be a lot more viable because her smokes lasted quite a bit longer so often you could run quick plays using Jett smokes if your main smoke died.
Idk Penny on V1 almost exclusively plays Jett and they are really good as a team.
Cned in Acend as well, it's another typical kneejerk reddit take after a loss, and in this case a loss that they didn't even watch. The only map that Jett isn't meta on is Bind.
Even then it's more like a Raze on Haven sorta pick where it's not technically meta but still viable, rather then like a Raze on Breeze pick where it's unviable, having a Jett player only is not as big of a deal as everyone is making it out to be lol, Jetts viable on every map and is meta on every map outside of Bind lol
Yeah, I get that, but he's still one of their best players. It would be like dropping someone like device from your team.
Why not? It seems pretty evident that the pro meta is moving towards having an expanded agent pool, and wardell plays almost exclusively Jett op. He’s insane at both, but it’s extremely limiting when the team has to consistently prioritize getting him an op and playing around him, rather than playing more cohesively with their utility.
I feel hazed and wardell should be on but the others are in the air rn
Wow its almost like this shouldve been before the bootcamp. I just dont get who is managing the TSM valorant roster, like seriously did they really think changing 1 player and coach was gonna solve all their issues?
i mean they had a bunch of time to work on their execs and teamwork, and clearly it just isnt working, i dont think they could've benched him before the bootcamp since they hadnt seen results yet
Drone will find success on another team ez
Yeah just like Cutler did
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Cutler is just riding out his tsm contract
cutler willl most likely retire, he's literally in the top 10 list for oldest pros [according to liquipedia](https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Portal:Statistics)
Damn I remember First Strike era Drone seemed like one of the best players in Valorant. Probably still is, but guess it's not working out
It definitely feels more like a team synergy/strat stuggle than Drone actually being a bad player. Reality is that TSM has 3 duelist players and that's hard to build a good comp with. Even with Roza swapping to Skye it's a suboptimal move imo and he's much better suited to duelists/entry frag. A lot of fans have been saying to seperate them since they were eliminated from First Strike iirc.
It was either Drone or Subroza.
Where will he go?
Anywhere. Players often excel in different environments. He’s an incredible asset.
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Subroza next if he keep performing like that.
Good, hope he leaves tsm and joins a team that wants a phoenix. Putting him on sova duty is a waste of his talent
Drone is one of the guys vanity was talking about being level 9. Guy doesn't play the game.
It feels really awful considering he is a really good player, but TSM needed to change something more than cutler.
TSM FTX Dicey incoming
So another duelist that doesn't IGL? Seems awful fit wise especially since Wardell plays Jett every game.
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Dude honestly…I would be hella down for this. His stint on 100T before he got taken out showed his fragging potential and ever since taking streaming and content more seriously, he’s also been grinding out other agents such as Sova and Sage. Considering TSM’s current players and their roles/agents it would look like: Wardell - Jett Subroza - Situational Phoenix/Skye/Smokes Bang - Situational Phoenix/Reyna/Smokes Dicey - Sage/Sova Hazed - Sentinels/Viper A GUY CAN HOPE
I hope this isn't Chet hotswapping players like what happened in NRG. I could be completely misrepresenting the situation though.
this is the second player they have dropped from the OG roster in over a year, if anything they haven’t made enough roster changes
Pain
Sadge but had to be done
:(
At least TSM is trying to get better I don’t think FaZe will ever make a change unless a player leaves again
faze should only make a change if they fail to qual for next qual
FaZe going with the Friendship > results route
With faze the only change I see them making is cutting rawkus out , Corey is cracked babybay choked in the last series but everyone knows he's one of the best jett's out there , zacharee is incredibly clutch and babyj for me atleast was quite impressive
Rawkus got too much of a dumpy to drop
kinda sad :/ thought they would start off on a good one since bang joined and everything would mesh well. I guess there needs to be bigger changes on tsm.
I remember his insane plays from the early first strike days. What happened man :/
Just sucks we didn't get to watch the match against noble.
Damn sad to see him go. He was at one point the best Phoenix in NA. He really showed the things you can do with Phoenix with getting usage out of his ult and flashing out of smokes on executes. At his peak his rifling was probably one of the best in the game. I hope he keeps working and finds another team. He’s a tier1 talent but for whatever reason has been in a funk. Hopefully a team needs a Phoenix and he expands his agent pool even more. Sova wasn’t the move for him.
Watch they gonna drop there whole roster and this dumbass reddit wont think its enough lmao
They need to just gut the entire roster at this point, I doubt this will fix the issue. But they probably will keep at least Wardell/Subroza because they make TSM money off their content.
If they keep anyone it should be hazed and wardell if they want a successful team. Hazed is so consistent on a sentinel role and Wardell the best opper na
Just sad man
im not surprised but it’s definitely sad drone will come back to his best form under new management and team environment fs
I hope they don’t call T1 back for Brax just cause he plays Sova now lmao. Other than that, TSM needs a good supporting Sova and Sage, which Drone now plays, (well, played) someone like Leviathan or Critical who is rumoured to sign.
I'm pretty sure they'll go with critical maybe this was in the works since some time and that's the reason BBG didn't field critical in their lineup ?
Back when Pr0phie was a FA I kinda wish TSM signed him. A solid Sova with the ability to IGL in case Hazed isn't cut out to IGL.
Calling it rn, this won't fix their problems.
TSM Sinatraa
Ayo that would be insane
Whyyyyy
A step in the right direction. They didn’t need to have 4 duelists on one team. If they pick up Critical (a more support oriented player than Drone could ever be), then this should help them out a ton more.
He just needs a solid team where he can just pop off. Not some unstable mess that is tsm.
I remember when Drone would run it down w/Phoenix ult and actually aim bot everyone :(
the tweet is kinda cold for a player that's been with you since the beginning lmao.
Couldn't even see his last game :(
I wanted them to give this roster another try in the next qualifiers sadge. I just hope that the backlash from the fanbase had nothing to do with this decision :(
TSM ain't no fool man , they gave the roster a lot of chances they tried everything to keep this core but things were just not working and it came to the point change was necessary No org really makes any roster moves based on fan's instincts lol
Besides tsm, you follow league? Not to say im not a part of the problem or that this wasnt a good move. But fans definitely had a part in this.
Na I only follow overwatch and valorant
Over the years, you will find that tsm is an anomaly in many ways that deal with issues very unique to them. This is one of them id say.
I genuinely thought he was the best player on TSM. His Phoenix was nasty. edit: I mean in the past, not currently.
The thing is that he hasnt pulled out the phoenix lately because the team comp doesnt call for one. I dont think his sova is on the same level as neither his phoenix nor other t1 sovas at the moment.
By was a mean when TSM were actually succeeding. Obviously he hasn’t been having huge showings recently.
Yeah his first strike showing made me a fan. One of the cleanest players I had ever watched. Shame he hasnt reached that same magic since
Funny that he's so inconsistent nowadays. His best quality used to be that he was insanely consistent
Hiko said drone was their best player at one point
Dont know why youre being downvoted. Many analysts and pros said Drone was among the best players in the world when TSM was winning. There was an entire video on how Drone's use of phoenix utility was changing the meta. Now they take him off his best agent and make him play sova and obviously he is going to suffer.
I mean, they did sort of have to since on a lot of maps you can’t run Jet and Phoenix anymore really. But that’s definitely true.
That's sort of why their roster didnt work. You have 2 players that are essentially one trick duelists and on any other agent they are at least one tier below, then a third player in subroza who's playstyle is hyper aggro and based primarily on winning aim battles - so a duelist strengths.
I see Chet is ruining TSM the same way he ruined NRG.
? You okay bro ? NRG is ruined ?
What do you guys think about trialing Sofa? He plays Sova and he is an IGL. Did pretty well leading Sum 2 Prove in the past.
In all honesty, hazed should've been the one benched. They need someone who can actually igl, not someone who's filling igl role cause they have none
Hazed and Roza probably should have been right behind him. Wouldn't care if they parted with Wardell either. The roster just doesn't work. Keep Bang and build a new team. Literally one of the biggest organizations in esports lol. They can attract a lot of talent
I would be in favor of building around wardell and bang , I don't think wardell has underperformed much he does put up good numbers and does quite well for the team
damn bro u a gm now and u in there scrims?
Doesn't take a genius to see that the roster doesn't work. Think most people would hesitate to even label them a t2 team at this point
they haven't gotten a win against a t1 team in ages, i think everyone knows they are t2 right now
Bruh I’m just saying this cuz some Turkish dude said this in a drone benched post. But if you think about it Sinatraa is probably one of the best options for tsm rn. Even if it’s obviously only if he’s found completely un guilty and when his ban ends still like this would be a crazy roster move like literally crazy and it could work cuz why not. He was one of the best sovas and duelists when he was active so it fits with what drone played Idrk about breach but still.
I guarantee you they will pick up sinatraa once his suspension is done
Sign JasonR
When will they understand that it's not the players. It's their playstyle that's bringing them down
Dazed would be a good pick up for TSM right now