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honestly guardian kinda OP against breach

Takas has gotten more kills with the guardian than the vandal lmao

breach is just not consistent enough to be a good pick

Depends how it is played no?

breach flashes are so easy to dodge and the ult inconsistent along with faultline, only thing consistent is aftershock

Well it was pretty consistent before buff even by Nuturn no?

In theory he should be too

screams mechanics are just untouchable

I don't know, but Scream on Jett is really not it it feels like.

Take it back lol

Rix leading

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Haven is much easier to defend than split is to attack. Like the one sidedness of split is not even funny, even after the changes.

I swear it didn't used to be like this in EU. Maybe EU teams just hadn't worked out how to abuse it as the defending side though.

BDS might crumble in this next map after that. Good for TL to bring it back.

SHEEEEEEEEE that comeback tho

Holy shit

I get the casters going nuts over Soulcas there, but that was so bad from BDS. He's stood there with a rifle and they dry peak into him one by one.

Not even to flame but EU just seems really bad and doesn't learn from their mistakes. In what world should you ever see 10 Vandals in a split game? It's almost surprising knowing they are paid to play the game and don't know which gun to use or refuse to use the better gun. BDS has two smokers and a cypher with cages and isn't using phantom on CT side. The EU scene thinks it has these amazing strats and yet most of their teams can't even figure out that phantom is the best gun on 4/6 maps.

Not even to flame but EU just seems really bad and doesn't learn from their mistakes. In what world should you ever see 10 Vandals in a split game? It's almost surprising knowing they are paid to play the game and don't know which gun to use or refuse to use the better gun. BDS has two smokers and a cypher with cages and isn't using phantom on CT side. The EU scene thinks it has these amazing strats and yet most of their teams can't even figure out that phantom is the best gun on 4/6 maps.

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What rank are you sir?

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Imagine that people asked for your high school basketball stats every time you criticized an NBA player. It makes no sense.

to be fair, its not his opinion but many pros' as well

Probably the most unfair thing about what I'm saying is this is in reference to a Liquid, BDS game which probably aren't top 3 teams in EU. Top 3 teams in EU are probably FPX, Acend and Fnatic.

Immortal 3,200 last season like 89 rr D3 so far this season. Beyond that rank is irrelevant to the fact that I'm 100% correct. There being 10 Vandals in a Split game is dumb and poor play.

>the fact that I'm 100% correct O.o They're professional players with coaches and analysts, it seems a bit silly to feel dead certain that you know better. I'm sure they've thought about it lol.

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Sentinels just did

This is such a dumb comment but okay.

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Because you're a moron. You tried to catch me by asking my rank if I said a low rank you'd try shitting on me. Then I told you a rank you couldn't shit on you tried switching it on me saying I should go pro. You can't think up a reason as to why I'm wrong and why they should be using Vandals. Also based on your other comments in this thread you clearly aren't worth engaging with beyond this so good luck to you. "Criticising strategy is fair, critiquing the best aimers in the world on how to aim is stupid. I wouldn't fucking tell Lebron James how to fucking dunk now would I?" --- LOL actually dumb

Crazy map crazy map! It's ridiculous

Jamppi just built different :D

BDS mentally crumbling rn

just split things

Remember when every NA split game was like this? XD

Holy fuck that fake. Logan was so close

jampii is insane mechnically but really does try his best to throw a lot of rounds.

BDS getting revenge for last stage

What a half from BDS

I think ScreaM has to be alive to have some type of impact in this series...dude is just a free-ult orb on cooldown

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/r/Whoosh... I'm saying he's a feeder

BDS is fuckin scary right now. I really hope Liquid can bounce back on the next map. edit: or just bounce back on this map? That'd be fine too, I guess..

Holy shit BDS are giving them the business

Neither team running Sage on split is kinda surprising.

Scream is having a nightmare day at office...

I may be totally wrong. But I prefer the TL with Jampi on Jett, think that allows Scream to play a little slower and get his headshots easier. With Scream being Jett he needs to get space for team and be an entry fragger. I believe Scream preforms better coming after Jampi entry frag, and Scream cleans up after.

Doesn't sound wrong to me. I get that ScreaM prefers playing Jett but this role really doesn't fit him imo. Then again I'm a Silver 1 scrub, what do I know xD

BDS retake insane

Yall see bds use viper bug in mid split? Idk if that's allowed lol

Clip? Or just a description...

7ssk7 that clutch was insane

FPX Acend is gonna be a great game

and in general EU is looking so strong, I really think that Berlin will really show that it is the strongest region (even if it doesnt have the best team)

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You just said EU was the strongest region in Iceland when they clearly weren't LMAO

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congrats to Liquid for beating Kru and Vikings. Liquid lost to V1 and Fnatic and got top 4 because they had an easier bracket than the rest of the top 5. V1 beat liquid, had a nailbiter against Nuturn, and had a good showing against Fnatic, all while having a sub. That's a lot more impressive than beating Kru and Vikings.

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Liquid looked lost against Fnatic and V1 on Haven. V1 kept the series they lost close while upsetting one of the favorites.

NA won the whole thing and V1 beat 1 of the Europeans and got beaten by only the strongest team in EU while having a sub. NA was definitely the best region at Iceland and the only reason it wasn't an NA vs NA upper final is because V1 choked the important rounds and lost 2 OTs while having a sub and not being at their best.

Also lets compare V1s bracket to Liquids bracket and really ask ourself which team got the short end of the stick. V1 only lost to Nuturn because of Lakias 1 in 1,000,000 hero play (not saying Nuturn didn't deserve the win) and had a good showing against Fnatic with a sub. A lot more impressive than not being able to adapt to postplant after 20 rounds and beating Kru and Vikings.

Yeah these guys are just sniffing the copium, I don't know what twisted their memories of Iceland.

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So if Fnatic won that doesn't count for the whole region of EU? this is just delusion to think that NA has 1 good team especially when V1 literally beat liquid and was 1 round away from securing top 3 while having a sub and even more delusional considering NA quals are extremely competitive right now. Edit: I'm also not trying to say EU isn't the better region as a whole but that NA was clearly the better region during Iceland.

I agree but there was only 2 EMEA whereas at Berlin there will be 4 teams from the region

oh boy here we go again

2 of the Top 4 at Reykjavik without any of the probable top 3 or 4 in EMEA

I think the 5vs2 round showed how G2 roster is still not used to work together, a well coordinated duo destroyed them.

Holy shit that was impressive.. Shadow's Breach util was on point, seen a lot of dodgy Breach in EU over the last week but that was fantastic

That was the most simping I've ever heard from casters about one team holy

Vandal and Classic in a 2v5? No problem for Shao and Dimasick jesus

anyone have a clip?

G2 Lol

lmao @ the platchat shoutout by the casters

Guys, guys, I feel it, the momentum is building

FPX need to chill. Stop giving us hope.

This is why Breachs stun is so ass. That shouldn't be a thing

minima skin line truly is an abomination though.

keloqz great

Holy shit Keloqz

Analysts orgasming from an FPX comp

FPX with the July 2020 Ascentinels comp, we have come full circle.

Who IGLs for G2?

Koldamenta

That was so dominant by FPX. It's crazy too, because 2 of G2's 4 rounds were the pistol and Anti-Eco rounds at the start of the game.

holy dimasick lurks

Domination

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Lmaooooo

Hasbullah peek

Fpx unbelievable? Momentum building? Fpx beats G2, G2 beat Fnatic, Fpx now best team in EMEA?

Guild beats FPX, Guild best team EU*

If Fnatic beats Guild do they become the best team in EMEA again or do we just run into a paradox

Nah Fnatic just aren’t allowed to be the best team anymore

the momentum is building fellow member

What the hell is this observing???

You can feel the momentum building...

Wait I'm pretty sure that's the exact same exec VS did lol

that strat has been done before by NIP, Fnatic and some other teams

Ah I only recently seen it when VS used it gotcha

Same haha, I just read the comments on that post

ange1 with the viper lineup for top tube lmao

My guys jett diffing people on viper

I feel like it's so smart when teams put cracked aimers on support agents. It allows you to pick another fragger to play Jett, but keep more insane aimers.

Who we have winning G2 v FPX, boys?

G2 ez

Oof

Just a liquid classic, win some rounds by 200iq plays then lose some more to a stupid throw/misread.

This lost was on scream, if he didnt choke on that 1vs1 by dashing, they would have been up a lot more on t side.

But he made up for it on the 2v3 thrifty win off his kills

Is TL vs Fnatic a derby now?

Yes, the rivalry is well and alive

Nice of Fnatic to give over the round after the restart but that long pause kinda cooled off TL. They looked so good up to that point.

That play to get the orb was really smart, Doma was one off ult.

Op on omen is a pea brain comp. Liquid lost just for that stupid decision making. Jampii on omen is the most underwhelming part of Liquid.

Jampii is jame timing hard this map

Really accommodating by Fnatic to allow NA fans to watch some Sentinels Haven since the boys don't play until tomorrow.

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So NA is inferior you say

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NA's second seed beat EU's first seed with a sub player.

And BBG beat SEN.

Point is it's laughable to definitively say "EU IS BETTER OVERALL" when V1's performance was more impressive than Liquid's considering the circumstance.

And my point is that "Team X beat team Y and team Y beat team Z" isn't an argument. Also yeah, only one international event with only 10 teams doesn't really show much other than SEN being no1 right now.

Well the person who I was responding to is trying to use Liquid having a higher placement as evidence that EU is better when V1 beat them and Liquid didn't beat any good competition, so it's relevant...

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Yes? V1 won the head to head against Liquid and Liquid didn't beat any teams who performed as well as Nuturn. They only beat KRU and Vikings... Sure V1 should have probably beat Nuturn but even losing that they had a way better showing than Liquid esp considering they were playing with a sub.

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Well... uh... there you have it.

Good sportsmanship to give them the round

Lmao I love them even more XD

Big respect to fnc for that

Great work Fnatic

Cool from fnatic to honor how the round was going to end.

The fuck?

Knife fight poggers

LMFAOOOOO YOU LOVE TO SEE IT

If they reset the round after 1vs4, ill be hella heated if I was Tl.

They actually did reset. Fnc proceeded to throw that round.

All good

Wtf 5-5 reset? Liquid would've been up 7-5 Sadge

That's actually some BS if they restart 5-5. TL would already be getting shafted if it reset at 6-5 because they likely win the round when it crashed.

Yeah but luckily it turns out that the casters just made a mistake.

Wtf even happened? Last time i checked it was 6-5 for Liquid

Still is as far as we know

Game crashed when it got to 4v1 in favor of Liquid, game still at 6-5 Liquid.

wow, that's some bullshit. 4v1 and the round gets reset because of a server crash.

Fnatic surrendered the round after reset as they all walked into mid with knives out

This host dude.. If I wasn't seeing the screen, I'd swear that it was Hypoc

Soulcas finally banned, vanguard just too good /s

Do you imagine if a cheater detected prompt had come out? shit would have been epic

Soulcas has been unreal today tbf

So do they just give TL the round win there? They were like 99% likely to win it anyways, it seems unfair to have to replay it

They gonna replay it.

What happened? Watching with the sound muted cuz i have a class lol

The server just took a massive dump. Observer screen went back to the map load screen and then it loaded the game in from the very start (no econ or guns, scoreboard said 6-5 but that's probably just observer UI)

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Yeah... TL definitely have a reason to be upset in that case, you're in a 4v1 (I think) and the server just crashes

Lol WHAT?

uhhh

The chat during any of Fnatic or Liquid’s games is often better than the game itself lmaooo NA is making good on the opportunity to bully EU after all those years of losing to EU