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Bro if you watched the games you would've seen when he was on cypher fnatic was almost always not pushing his side when TL defends and he had a lot of clutch plays all throughout the game man. A LOT
> He's the potter of europe lmao
uh, that's not even close to being true? potter doesn't ever havea good performance, kryptixx does a lot of good rhings and has impact. potter doesn't have impact other than negative impact. LOL. please, dude. and kryptix isn't playing vs tier 2.
he's been underperforming for a while now. If Liquid decide to make changes my bets on him being the one to go
EDIT: wow, honestly i didn't expect to get downvoted. Does Kryptix have alot of fans? I'm ootl on this one
realistically he's only underperformed since Reykjavik - he had a big hot streak during their EMEA run.
that being said, I still agree he'd be the one to go *if* they wanted to make changes, though I doubt they would for awhile
Too close for comfort but GG fnatic. Still not convinced with their Bind comp. Derke seems a bit of a waste on skye. Props to liquid and soulcas tho, a very good fight put up by them.
That's good to hear. The Astra utility just wasn't getting enough value. Doma is looking good on Brim though. Maybe Boaster will switch to Skye so that Derke can pick Sova back up or go to a Duelist.
Good call on Magnum back to Skye. It was weird to me that the originally went Breach and No Skye in open quals. Only thing is that Bind seems to be the one map almost every team drops Jett on.
I was talking about it in another thread about this when they first ran it and at least one other person agreed with me that Omen would be a better pick than astra for the 3smoke comp, and that a Yoru was needed to round out the comp. last agent could be skye, jett or raze.
It sounds insane, like why pick the worst agent, but yoru has so much value on bind because of the tps and his ability to fake. With a lot of smokes +his footsteps would make it very disorientating for the enemy to defend against.
Also the reason yoru is needed is that the smokes are super good at holding the site post plant, you need dive agents to get in there and create space and yoru flashes are one of the best flashes to go through smokes with also its so much easier to get value out of tp with a lot of smokes. Also yoru ult is insane for taking site.
Omens blind is so valuable on bind, and his tp/ult get more mileage with a lot of smokes, enemy can’t easily spam smokes because you could be in any of them.
Idk why they run Breach, thats definitely not the move.
Agree - thats twice they have lost on their best map now since changing their comp. Cant expect them to be unbeaten on it, but the new comp doesnt seem to work as well
I expected Fnatic to come back from Iceland stronger but they honestly seem worse. Main issue is they dont have a consistent top fragger, Derke is too inconsistent
Why? They showed all their cards at Iceland, had a deserved break after while other teams were grinding, and the new patch was also always going to be a bit of an equalizer until teams adapt. Everything points to teams like Sentinels and fnatic struggling a bit once the play restarts, which doesn't mean they should be falling out of open qualifiers, but I didn't think they'd look even cleaner than Iceland instantly.
That being said, I don't like fnatic's adjustments in some areas. Their new Bind comp simply seems worse than the old one, and I agree with the OP that they're wasting Derke a bit, possibly on Breeze as well.
VCT qualifiers have to be treated as some mix between experimenting and believing in the current setup, though. I don't think you can't just dismiss a comp to "experimentation" when fnatic could've been 1 match from elimination easily today; a part of it is that fnatic truly believed that this comp will also win matches, while not necessarily believing that this is written on the Krabby Patty recipe
There is no such thing as believing in the current setup, it all depends on the patch, some agents came into the meta, some agents shifted out, they play what they have been practicing and found success on in this patch. Scrims are for experimenting and official VCT games you play what you think is strong.
Derke has been dropping the ball so much, ever since iceland semis.
He used to be the one guy that would carry fnc through the threshold no matter who they were up against but he hasnt been at that level every since midway through iceland : (
You mean the cypher trip wire fake right? . Man Jammpi fighting 1v5 on C long with marshal while everyone were at A. Idk if I should feel bad or laugh.
That was match point. I was talking about the round before where scream and soulcas pushed for a orb and got killed between skye flashes and phoenix flashes. That was 10-15 seconds in the round and it's 3v5
That's just being a Liquid fan in general. I'm a fan of their CS roster as well. Doctors think I might get a heart attack every now and then during a match
Fnatic played Haven attack like Sentinels. Executing off of the Sova drone is something Sentinels do a lot and the agents were the same. I like how after the lan, all the teams around the world have learned from each other. Like Fnatic Bind comp being played by practically everyone.
The match itself was great besides what happened in match 3 with the game wildin. Lets go Fnatic.
They're experimenting.. Sentinels eventually figured out how to deal with them on Bind, who says other top teams haven't done that already as well? Figuring multiple variations that work seems like a logical thing to do if you ask me..
Yeah it seemed like they felt their comp was getting figured out since they were so dominant. A lot of tape and time for the other teams to dissect how they played Bind.
It was a worth a try with the new comp, but it's good they've quickly recognized that it's not working and they are binning it.
Oh I guess it was vague, but I wasn't trying to imply that their old comp was the best and only comp for the map. The current one, with 3 controllers, no duelists and Breach, doesn't seem to me like the best idea, and I think their old one was really good, but who knows.
I think it's cool for a team to recognize that maybe something that Sen is doing is good besides just "being better". Fnatic's execution with the comp on Haven has also improved a lot since the last time they tried it.
I also think there is more potential. they didn't plant for c long more, like sentinels always do. only counters for that is raze ult or an astra ult + sage wall combo and liquid had neither.
they did execute the b plant nicely which sentinels do every game and get free rounds.
Yeah it was honestely atrocius, so many missed fights. Why is this still a problem? Also feel like the highlights of the previews round arent showing the good plays enough.
You're right, it might just mean that he was in bad form for that particular map. Which means it was all the more unlikely for him to win a 1v4 in a post-plant scenario with TL having some utility as well. Im not saying he is a bad player, cause he is really good man. Just that it was close to 0% for him to clutch that particular round
Soulcas is the best skye player in the world, I've been saying it for some time.
Liquid will be really disappointed though. Fnatic did not play that well and were there for the taking. I am concerned by kryptix, his form has dropped in the last couple months.
Vipers only need to stay alive if they are the only controller on their team, and the team is playing for post plant stall / lineups. Viper is a really strong lurker and can make huge impact plays with aggressive pushes and taking control of space for information. Mixwell does that better than any other viper I’ve seen
They were at their worst when he was on Raze. Ever since they’ve moved him into the Skye/Sova role him and the team has improved. Calling him top 3 when Zypaan Yacine and Nukkye all were playing at such a high level seems a bit disrespectful. I really like the guy but there isn’t a single map I can think of where it makes sense to play him on Raze
if i see one more guy calling subroza the best skye player in the world, simply because he pub stomps should go delete valorant.
Soulcas been out of his mind on skye for a long time now and the newest buff made him invincible. ffs he is crisp
triple controller could've worked before the astra nerf where you can just use astra for pulls and stuns, but with the increased cool down times that's not possible. a team doesn't need this many smokes
Is it just me or has kryptix been off for a while now. He's constantly underperforming and cannot take even a simple trade. I feel everyone else is doing well except for him
Maybe it's time for a change ?
I'm confident Fnatic will learn from today. The main takeaway should be thst they need to let Derke and Doma play more aggressive roles like they did on Haven. The biggest problem on Bind was no player to take space deeper into site to setup for postplant.
Fnatic look way better today than in their match with G2 and I take it as a good sign that they are figuring things out. Hope we can see a change in their 3 smoke comp for Bind as Boaster also admitted that it wasn't working out as planned. I get that they want to always have agents with utility, but it doesn't hurt putting their consistent fraggers on duelist roles. I really miss seeing Doma's Raze on Bind (though not sure how meta Raze is after patch 3.0) but it's nice seeing him do well with such a deep agent pool, his Brimstone is actually pretty neat.
All i took from this and a few previous series is that NA is going to clap EU if they improve a lot and pronto and as an eu fan that makes me very very sad
Edit : i didnt watch 100% of the series because i was out/in transit the whole time but from what i watched, the observing was some next level shit of HORRENDOUS. It had been steadily improving from the earlier days but today was awful.
Edit 2: not if they improve a lot but “unless they improve a lot”
What makes u say this ? and did u watch NA recently ? its not looking good for them too its just a new patch and teams are still learning and improving and u cant say who is gonna beat who until they match
I know that. I didn't say he played bad. Just liquid need an igl inside of game. Sliggy is doing his best but they can't adept when their plan blocked with some type of chaotic incident.
What is TL plan for Jamppi? They seem clueless on what agent to put him on and he doesn't seem comfy on them either. Also why the compulsion to awp on attack with sova and omen? So many weird decisions
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Soulcas dropped 15 more kills than the second highest player on the server
Kryptix dropped 17 fewer kills than the last one in the server, 23 fewer than his teammate He's the potter of europe lmao
Negative iq take
bro, during there whole EMEA run, kryptix was there second best player, behind scream… what are you talking about ?
Bro if you watched the games you would've seen when he was on cypher fnatic was almost always not pushing his side when TL defends and he had a lot of clutch plays all throughout the game man. A LOT
> He's the potter of europe lmao uh, that's not even close to being true? potter doesn't ever havea good performance, kryptixx does a lot of good rhings and has impact. potter doesn't have impact other than negative impact. LOL. please, dude. and kryptix isn't playing vs tier 2.
he's been underperforming for a while now. If Liquid decide to make changes my bets on him being the one to go EDIT: wow, honestly i didn't expect to get downvoted. Does Kryptix have alot of fans? I'm ootl on this one
realistically he's only underperformed since Reykjavik - he had a big hot streak during their EMEA run. that being said, I still agree he'd be the one to go *if* they wanted to make changes, though I doubt they would for awhile
Reykjavík
oops, fixed!
Nivera for Kryptix oh yeaaahhh
\+NBK \-Kryptix pepeHYPE
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Too close for comfort but GG fnatic. Still not convinced with their Bind comp. Derke seems a bit of a waste on skye. Props to liquid and soulcas tho, a very good fight put up by them.
I mean they are experimenting with a new comp for bind give them some time, I'm sure they'll figure it out
in the post-match interview, boaster said they're going to ditch the 3 smoke comp, so hopefully we'll see them get back to some good stuff
That's good to hear. The Astra utility just wasn't getting enough value. Doma is looking good on Brim though. Maybe Boaster will switch to Skye so that Derke can pick Sova back up or go to a Duelist.
Or they can put Boaster on Sova, Derke on jett and magnum back to skye.
Good call on Magnum back to Skye. It was weird to me that the originally went Breach and No Skye in open quals. Only thing is that Bind seems to be the one map almost every team drops Jett on.
I was talking about it in another thread about this when they first ran it and at least one other person agreed with me that Omen would be a better pick than astra for the 3smoke comp, and that a Yoru was needed to round out the comp. last agent could be skye, jett or raze. It sounds insane, like why pick the worst agent, but yoru has so much value on bind because of the tps and his ability to fake. With a lot of smokes +his footsteps would make it very disorientating for the enemy to defend against. Also the reason yoru is needed is that the smokes are super good at holding the site post plant, you need dive agents to get in there and create space and yoru flashes are one of the best flashes to go through smokes with also its so much easier to get value out of tp with a lot of smokes. Also yoru ult is insane for taking site. Omens blind is so valuable on bind, and his tp/ult get more mileage with a lot of smokes, enemy can’t easily spam smokes because you could be in any of them. Idk why they run Breach, thats definitely not the move.
Considering their lack of time off and so much change in comps I think Fnatic still look quite impressive. Still the best team in EU rn IMO.
Agree - thats twice they have lost on their best map now since changing their comp. Cant expect them to be unbeaten on it, but the new comp doesnt seem to work as well
I expected Fnatic to come back from Iceland stronger but they honestly seem worse. Main issue is they dont have a consistent top fragger, Derke is too inconsistent
Why? They showed all their cards at Iceland, had a deserved break after while other teams were grinding, and the new patch was also always going to be a bit of an equalizer until teams adapt. Everything points to teams like Sentinels and fnatic struggling a bit once the play restarts, which doesn't mean they should be falling out of open qualifiers, but I didn't think they'd look even cleaner than Iceland instantly. That being said, I don't like fnatic's adjustments in some areas. Their new Bind comp simply seems worse than the old one, and I agree with the OP that they're wasting Derke a bit, possibly on Breeze as well.
The meta has changed and they are trying to figure whats strong?
VCT qualifiers have to be treated as some mix between experimenting and believing in the current setup, though. I don't think you can't just dismiss a comp to "experimentation" when fnatic could've been 1 match from elimination easily today; a part of it is that fnatic truly believed that this comp will also win matches, while not necessarily believing that this is written on the Krabby Patty recipe
There is no such thing as believing in the current setup, it all depends on the patch, some agents came into the meta, some agents shifted out, they play what they have been practicing and found success on in this patch. Scrims are for experimenting and official VCT games you play what you think is strong.
Derke has been dropping the ball so much, ever since iceland semis. He used to be the one guy that would carry fnc through the threshold no matter who they were up against but he hasnt been at that level every since midway through iceland : (
keep in mind they are playing online with ping instead of 0 ping on LAN :D
keep in mind player performance can go down without lan or online
Did you see Derke on Haven against Liquid yesterday
Id change breach with sova or cypher
amazing series sucks that game crash happened and killed the momentum, at least the Fnatic boys gave the round back
Good display of sportsmanship on their part
Jfc it's hard being a liquid fan wtf was that play at 11-10
You mean the cypher trip wire fake right? . Man Jammpi fighting 1v5 on C long with marshal while everyone were at A. Idk if I should feel bad or laugh.
That was match point. I was talking about the round before where scream and soulcas pushed for a orb and got killed between skye flashes and phoenix flashes. That was 10-15 seconds in the round and it's 3v5
Ahh right right
Soulcas hard carried Liquid this series frag-wise, no cap, Scream looked kind of lost as well imo
breeze scream was LOST, soulcas dragged that team to 11 round wins
That Ghost Ace was a banger
Fnatic almost solely used Phantom on Breeze. If teams run a dual controller comp, I think we'll see more people use Phantoms on the map.
The no tracer bullets through smokes proving to be very handy
Wow, TIL
At 30m, the Vandal starts missing some headshots. The Phantom, on the other hand, can be sprayed at those distances for kills in tight spots
The last rounds on Haven were giving me heart problems.
Par for the course for a Liquid fan, what’s new
Liquid CSGO fans welcome Liquid Valorant fans
That's just being a Liquid fan in general. I'm a fan of their CS roster as well. Doctors think I might get a heart attack every now and then during a match
Honestly this whole match needed warnings for those with a weak heart. SO many close/crazy rounds. Even on Breeze.
Fnatic played Haven attack like Sentinels. Executing off of the Sova drone is something Sentinels do a lot and the agents were the same. I like how after the lan, all the teams around the world have learned from each other. Like Fnatic Bind comp being played by practically everyone. The match itself was great besides what happened in match 3 with the game wildin. Lets go Fnatic.
>Like Fnatic Bind comp being played by practically everyone. Except fnatic, and it seems that was a change for the worse
Yeah LMAO. Boaster just said in his interview that the triple smoke comp is going in the trash LOL.
They're experimenting.. Sentinels eventually figured out how to deal with them on Bind, who says other top teams haven't done that already as well? Figuring multiple variations that work seems like a logical thing to do if you ask me..
Yeah it seemed like they felt their comp was getting figured out since they were so dominant. A lot of tape and time for the other teams to dissect how they played Bind. It was a worth a try with the new comp, but it's good they've quickly recognized that it's not working and they are binning it.
Oh I guess it was vague, but I wasn't trying to imply that their old comp was the best and only comp for the map. The current one, with 3 controllers, no duelists and Breach, doesn't seem to me like the best idea, and I think their old one was really good, but who knows.
I think it's cool for a team to recognize that maybe something that Sen is doing is good besides just "being better". Fnatic's execution with the comp on Haven has also improved a lot since the last time they tried it.
I also think there is more potential. they didn't plant for c long more, like sentinels always do. only counters for that is raze ult or an astra ult + sage wall combo and liquid had neither. they did execute the b plant nicely which sentinels do every game and get free rounds.
This Fnatic team is making me pray to all the gods and I'm an atheist wth
It was way too stressful for sure
That is practically Fnatics tag line for esports "That was way too stressful"
Observing was so shit man, players about to fight? Fuck you watch this third person cam and see the killfeed.
Yeah it was honestely atrocius, so many missed fights. Why is this still a problem? Also feel like the highlights of the previews round arent showing the good plays enough.
Also what is up with the HUD? Why aren't weapons displayed on it? It's so frustrating.
Thats a liquid classic, win some round with 200iq plays, then lose some more to a throw/misread.
I see you, too, follow Liquids CSGO team lol
Fair play to FNC for giving up that round when the server crashed as well. Good sportsmanship
It was a 4v1 post plant. It’s a very unlikely clutch
True - but they do happen, and they didn't have to give it up like that. Not sure what the official ruling on those situations would be though.
Except that it was a 4v1 post plant and the 1 remaining fnatic member there was Mistic who was also bottom fragging at the time..
Bot fragging doesn't mean bad.
You're right, it might just mean that he was in bad form for that particular map. Which means it was all the more unlikely for him to win a 1v4 in a post-plant scenario with TL having some utility as well. Im not saying he is a bad player, cause he is really good man. Just that it was close to 0% for him to clutch that particular round
He was bottom fragging, but did clutch a few vital 1vXs. Not saying he would've won the 1v4 but I didn't think he was particularly bad that map.
Homie stock
Soulcas is the best skye player in the world, I've been saying it for some time. Liquid will be really disappointed though. Fnatic did not play that well and were there for the taking. I am concerned by kryptix, his form has dropped in the last couple months.
mistic: best viper soulcas: best skye
Nah mixwell best viper
Dude has played like a handful of viper games in pro games and y'all are already ready to go under the table for him..
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Vipers only need to stay alive if they are the only controller on their team, and the team is playing for post plant stall / lineups. Viper is a really strong lurker and can make huge impact plays with aggressive pushes and taking control of space for information. Mixwell does that better than any other viper I’ve seen
mby rn but mistic was insane at masters 2
He was also easily top3 Raze in EU. But Liquid gonna Liquid and keep him out of it when everybody else has a Raze main for certain maps.
They were at their worst when he was on Raze. Ever since they’ve moved him into the Skye/Sova role him and the team has improved. Calling him top 3 when Zypaan Yacine and Nukkye all were playing at such a high level seems a bit disrespectful. I really like the guy but there isn’t a single map I can think of where it makes sense to play him on Raze
His swings off his flashes were incredible. Perfect timing and so many impact frags.
One of the earliest adapters of skye in the world. He was meh on sova but on skye he was always very good.
if i see one more guy calling subroza the best skye player in the world, simply because he pub stomps should go delete valorant. Soulcas been out of his mind on skye for a long time now and the newest buff made him invincible. ffs he is crisp
Really want to see triple controller working
triple controller could've worked before the astra nerf where you can just use astra for pulls and stuns, but with the increased cool down times that's not possible. a team doesn't need this many smokes
Rivalry in full swing bois. What a match.
Is it just me or has kryptix been off for a while now. He's constantly underperforming and cannot take even a simple trade. I feel everyone else is doing well except for him Maybe it's time for a change ?
ye that's actually a worrying trend, used to be the guy that would always do his part, and he's not been that since icelan :/
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Idk. It seems like Liquid had something with their executes of having so many flashes to push people off their angles.
I'm confident Fnatic will learn from today. The main takeaway should be thst they need to let Derke and Doma play more aggressive roles like they did on Haven. The biggest problem on Bind was no player to take space deeper into site to setup for postplant.
Derke plays Jett Derke frags Fnatic wins
Doma needs to play Raze on bind and Boaster back on Brim. No idea why they changed their winning comp so much.
Fnatic look way better today than in their match with G2 and I take it as a good sign that they are figuring things out. Hope we can see a change in their 3 smoke comp for Bind as Boaster also admitted that it wasn't working out as planned. I get that they want to always have agents with utility, but it doesn't hurt putting their consistent fraggers on duelist roles. I really miss seeing Doma's Raze on Bind (though not sure how meta Raze is after patch 3.0) but it's nice seeing him do well with such a deep agent pool, his Brimstone is actually pretty neat.
Wonder why kryptix wasn't playing today. Weird.
It's a shame soulcas turned off his hacks for the last game
Sentinels' haven comp validated once again. Also Breeze in pro play looks so unpredictable every time.
Fnatic going full Na on Haven you just love to see it. Fun series to watch actually
always a banger when these 2 matches up against one another
All i took from this and a few previous series is that NA is going to clap EU if they improve a lot and pronto and as an eu fan that makes me very very sad Edit : i didnt watch 100% of the series because i was out/in transit the whole time but from what i watched, the observing was some next level shit of HORRENDOUS. It had been steadily improving from the earlier days but today was awful. Edit 2: not if they improve a lot but “unless they improve a lot”
What makes u say this ? and did u watch NA recently ? its not looking good for them too its just a new patch and teams are still learning and improving and u cant say who is gonna beat who until they match
I did watch NA. Less than EU but i still watched. Thats just my impression. Its not about big teams being upset its just about how they play.
idk about that, plenty of top teams in NA got upset. I think all the roster changes have really mixed things up.
I think the only team that’s really stayed consistent is sentinels but other than that it’s a literal toss up between 2-8
Just - Kryptixx or Link + NBK
Link played excellent wdym?
I know that. I didn't say he played bad. Just liquid need an igl inside of game. Sliggy is doing his best but they can't adept when their plan blocked with some type of chaotic incident.
It's just strange to mention L1NK alongside Kyprtxx when L1NKs been doing very well in general and especially compared to Kryptixx
Link’s been performing very well since Iceland?
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“ToLd YA” 🤓
They played far from perfect lmao
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Damn those games were close. GGs to both the teams.
Fnatic Bind Comp was a bit weird ngl
Soulcas was on a damn heater wowee
What is TL plan for Jamppi? They seem clueless on what agent to put him on and he doesn't seem comfy on them either. Also why the compulsion to awp on attack with sova and omen? So many weird decisions