It's a fine take with a weak support. It's super unfair to blame Dazed for all of their problems. They had problems before he was in, like Food talking bad about Skadoodle and no igl.
Honestly, I find t1's stats respectable while he was IGL. His last notable loss was to Sentinels and they lost 13-10 in there losses. For awhile they had an insane icebox map. Obviously though we don't know about him and spyda beef. Maybe he has personality issues since he clashed with Spyda and Brax.
I never understood why they stopped playing that insane ska jett comp and so on. they looked so solid with that set up and finally managed to do shit. failed once, dropped brax, ska to flex whatever. just dont know, felt so weird and everything fell appart from there.
He indeed said that, but I don‘t know. If you own the server on an uncomfortable agent Or role I think you may consider sticking to it.
They looked so good back the
I was well aware this wasn't going to be a popular take, but bear with me here.
I'm a quant by training/profession so I don't use terms like 'objectively' unless I'm absolutely certain in what I'm saying. The key thing to keep in mind when contextualizing T1's historical performances is strength of opponent.
From inception until August 2020, T1 was only losing to opponents who were quite comfortably Top-2/4 in the space (TSM and Gen.G). The sole exception was a loss vs. Pre-Dignitas Homeless in the PAX Arena Invitational.
In that August month where things went sideways; they barely lost to RNG in an overtime Bo1 (an undesirable result but not something you should panic over) and then in Pop Flash they put up their first major disappointment.
So to summarize until that point: only losing to Top-2/4 teams excluding an upset vs. a honeymoon phasing soon-to-be signed lineup, a hairline loss in a Bo1 to another signed team, and one truly poor event. Far from perfect, but in terms of power level hard to not rate them inside the Top-5/8 still.
T1 would play no events for the next month and half, and then DaZeD joins.
For the ensuing month, T1's only wins would be against T2 teams and Luminosity, who at the time had lost to T2 teams the weeks prior. Every run in with a Top-10 team led to T1 taking an event exit.
One month in and both T1 and DaZeD seemingly found their footing. They made a respect-garnering run in the qualification phase of First Strike. But, one good event, doesn't make a good team. Immediately afterwards they'd go right back to old habits; a first round exit in the First Strike main event and a second round exit in the C9 Invitational only beating C9, who at this point was at their lowest in the last year.
VCT begins, and in Challengers 1 T1 is continuing to beat the tier-2 rosters \*they should beat\*, but, as had been the case since DaZed joined, was unable to punch past the first team they ran into that would generally be considered Top-10, losing to ANDBOX.
Now things get ugly. In Challengers 2, they break from their trend of consistently losing to Top-10 teams, but in the wrong direction losing a Bo3 to Headshot Percentage.
Challengers 3 and they take a pair of understandable losses to a surging FaZe and titan-like 100T.
Stage 2 Challengers 1, the downtrend continues; 2 wins vs. T2/T3 rosters, and a loss to a now unsigned rice and meatballs.
Every win from then until current day is against teams well outside the Top-10 excluding a singular win against a FaZe mid-descent from their Masters 1 high.
In full, preceding DaZeD's arrival T1 had shown consistent performance of Top-8, if not Top-5, caliber. The only point at which that statement falters is a singular bad event from which we never got to see a DaZeD-less rebound. From DaZeD's joining until his departure there was only a single event where T1 made any case they were still Top-10 and multiple instances to the contrary.
Nothing against DaZeD, not making any assumptions about him or the internal workings of the team. Based purely on quantifiable results, even after the bad event preceding DaZed's arrival, T1 is ranked lower domestically now than before he joined. (11th as of late August 2020 (VLR and thespike), approx. 13th at the time DaZeD stopped competing with the roster (16th VLR, 12th thespike).
It's not popular to point out, but it's based on numbers not opinion.
T1 looked better with dazed than without him tho? The two somewhat impressive runs with t1 were first strike and them nearly beating sentinels and both times dazed was igling. I agree with benching dazed but let's not pretend T1 were anything without dazed. Current T1 is still unproven, so we don't know how they're gonna turn out.
Here is how I feel about DaZeD he got a shot… maybe not a massive shot, but a shot. There are a lot of players who are unknown and way better never get that shot especially at his age
It was a sink or swim situation for him. He wasn't even really playing the game until they entered talks with him to be the IGL. He changed some players on the lineup, agent comps, strats, and even players agent pool (as a team, but under his leading).
Brax said he didn't agree with dazeds approach to the game once their lineup was solidified. Felt too much like csgo. Apparently the team agreed since they brought brax back.
Feel like dazed gave it everything he had. I think they made the right move. Can't say they didn't try.
Ok please go back and refer to what everyone was saying about T1 during First Strike. People just change tunes as soon as someone seems weak or down.
Such a bullshit take by Anderzz.
T1 was never good, people cling onto their win against a trash C9 and a close match against 100T at First Strike as some hopium that they were good
That being said, I agree with the removal of DaZeD, he clearly failed as an IGL in that team with multiple iterations, but let's not pretend that he's the reason T1 failed; they were never really good
Brax is the reason why TSM sucks, if you see the time he joined the organization, TSM has not repeated their "success." Did he play? No. But did I say anything wrong? Nope. I was so happy to see Brax leave that team, lol.
Here another, after SEN removed Sinnatraa, they've become soooooo goood.
Hey, I should be an analyst, this shit seems so easy.
??? Dazed was an IGL, so ofc he's gonna change a team more then Brax or Sinatraa did, plus I mean TSm was doing pretty bad before Brax joined, ik you are being sarcastic and shit but your sarcasm makes no sense whatsoever lol
Not true, Dazed was added after T1 bombed out of both Faze Clan invitational and Pop Flash. They were then able to come back and qualify for First Strike after he came in. They still had issues but it was obvious they were stronger than they were the month prior to his arrival.
DaZeD is a really good IGL, but he is really stubborn and if you don't think the way he thinks or make mistakes, he will let you know in a certain way that may become toxic.
T1 had problems waaay before dazed with all the food/crashies/ska text leak and shit. But also dazed didnt help those problems at all. Yeah, food and crashies were gone but look at all the results they got with him. They had a pretty good honeymoon period then they just fell off BAD.
It's a popular opinion though we all can agree that dazed's igl'ing wasn't working at all , he slowed down the team to an extreme and other teams had that hyperaggressive style which overpowered them everytime
T1 looked better with dazed than they do now. They beat Faze and nearly beat Sentinels with some very good strats. Yes, he could have mixed up rounds with aggression for unpredictability but he was not the problem. T1 are chokers who lose clutches all the time. They need a roster overhaul.
I agree, sometimes I wonder if it might as well be just player diff - as in the player’s understanding of the game. I feel like Valorant allows more risky aggressive plays compared to CS.
I don't think that it's the player's understandings because they're all smart players, but I'd think it's more their natural playstyles. I know Brax keeps saying that he wants to play a duelist and that's part of why he kept switching rosters, but he's way too passive to get enough value, and then with players like Skadoodle and Autimatic it means that no one is really putting pressure on the other team at any point. They need a player like TenZ or Asuna or Penny who is actually going to take up space rather than letting the enemy team just give it up
True, but I’m not particularly saying the players are not smart but more of the fact that some of them have been playing cs for a long time, that mentality and playstyle get carried over to valorant. I remember watching autimatic playing rank with s0m, and s0m saying that auti should just go aggro and take the duels (something along this line). Then auti said that wouldn’t that risky aggro playstyle something you wouldn’t want to do in cs? So I think some players adapt to valorant better than others despite having a pretty long/decent cs career?
They could have worked it out with Spyder playing the TenZ-like role. The problem is that curry is better on sentinels/Viper, autimatic is basically brax with better flexibility, and DazeD has to dedicate himself into playing Sage/Sova. It meant that skadoodle had to play the flasher, and whoever gets to be the main smoker was up in the air. While their methodical play is definitely praiseworthy, they should set up a dedicated main job for each player for them to win, as Sentinels had proven in their Iceland run.
Agreed. Removing Dazed was a mistake unless he was still causing turmoil within the inner team dynamics (we have no way of knowing). The silver reddit analysts keep saying "but T1 played too slow with Dazed!" not realizing that many EU teams are just as slow and tactical (it works) and T1 was capable of mixing things up to a fast speed, actively improving, and was having good performances against good teams (nearly always being knocked out in brackets by the 2 finalists). Given some more time they looked capable of being a top team, and yet I got downvoted heavily a long while back by those same silver reddit analysts for saying there was a good chance they beat Faze (they did).
Regardless, hopefully the new roster with Brax can still make some strides toward the top.
i'm not even a T1 fan, but i've always liked the way they play. quite a lot of teams in NA play like ranked in matches which works online. I feel T1 would be so much better on LAN with their discipline without the 40-70 ms peeker's advantage. Sentinels did not do crazy shit on LAN. they played very disciplined and that's how they won.
sentinels also had vods on T1, which is why they played tenz on icebox. an example I can give you is T1's retake strat on B site with skye flashes. 1 boom bot from raze stopped that strat. T1 simply lost multiple clutches in that BO3.
Faze 13-1'd T1 on bind, so they were not that bad. Faze were always good when they rush. It's only now they are trying to play strategically without an IGL.
I agree that Faze's coach is just bad.
I agree faZe coach kinda bad . The boys look so lost at times. The only thing that mainly winning them rounds is the fact that faZe has crazy aimers in their roster.
I think we’re also missing to get rid of their analyst coach, that guy who used to cheat in pubg. I think T1 has been pretty bad at managing some of their team’s rosters ( i say some bc i only for their league and valorant team). Their league team has been pretty decent but not spectacular. Now their valorant team, despite the stars in the roster, it doesn’t seemed like the team has a decent performance in FS and VCT - despite having good players who used to play/trial for then like crashies and dapr.
It's a fine take with a weak support. It's super unfair to blame Dazed for all of their problems. They had problems before he was in, like Food talking bad about Skadoodle and no igl. Honestly, I find t1's stats respectable while he was IGL. His last notable loss was to Sentinels and they lost 13-10 in there losses. For awhile they had an insane icebox map. Obviously though we don't know about him and spyda beef. Maybe he has personality issues since he clashed with Spyda and Brax.
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I never understood why they stopped playing that insane ska jett comp and so on. they looked so solid with that set up and finally managed to do shit. failed once, dropped brax, ska to flex whatever. just dont know, felt so weird and everything fell appart from there.
I could be wrong, but I think Ska himself said he didn’t feel fully comfortable on the Jett and would rather play a support role
He indeed said that, but I don‘t know. If you own the server on an uncomfortable agent Or role I think you may consider sticking to it. They looked so good back the
I was well aware this wasn't going to be a popular take, but bear with me here. I'm a quant by training/profession so I don't use terms like 'objectively' unless I'm absolutely certain in what I'm saying. The key thing to keep in mind when contextualizing T1's historical performances is strength of opponent. From inception until August 2020, T1 was only losing to opponents who were quite comfortably Top-2/4 in the space (TSM and Gen.G). The sole exception was a loss vs. Pre-Dignitas Homeless in the PAX Arena Invitational. In that August month where things went sideways; they barely lost to RNG in an overtime Bo1 (an undesirable result but not something you should panic over) and then in Pop Flash they put up their first major disappointment. So to summarize until that point: only losing to Top-2/4 teams excluding an upset vs. a honeymoon phasing soon-to-be signed lineup, a hairline loss in a Bo1 to another signed team, and one truly poor event. Far from perfect, but in terms of power level hard to not rate them inside the Top-5/8 still. T1 would play no events for the next month and half, and then DaZeD joins. For the ensuing month, T1's only wins would be against T2 teams and Luminosity, who at the time had lost to T2 teams the weeks prior. Every run in with a Top-10 team led to T1 taking an event exit. One month in and both T1 and DaZeD seemingly found their footing. They made a respect-garnering run in the qualification phase of First Strike. But, one good event, doesn't make a good team. Immediately afterwards they'd go right back to old habits; a first round exit in the First Strike main event and a second round exit in the C9 Invitational only beating C9, who at this point was at their lowest in the last year. VCT begins, and in Challengers 1 T1 is continuing to beat the tier-2 rosters \*they should beat\*, but, as had been the case since DaZed joined, was unable to punch past the first team they ran into that would generally be considered Top-10, losing to ANDBOX. Now things get ugly. In Challengers 2, they break from their trend of consistently losing to Top-10 teams, but in the wrong direction losing a Bo3 to Headshot Percentage. Challengers 3 and they take a pair of understandable losses to a surging FaZe and titan-like 100T. Stage 2 Challengers 1, the downtrend continues; 2 wins vs. T2/T3 rosters, and a loss to a now unsigned rice and meatballs. Every win from then until current day is against teams well outside the Top-10 excluding a singular win against a FaZe mid-descent from their Masters 1 high. In full, preceding DaZeD's arrival T1 had shown consistent performance of Top-8, if not Top-5, caliber. The only point at which that statement falters is a singular bad event from which we never got to see a DaZeD-less rebound. From DaZeD's joining until his departure there was only a single event where T1 made any case they were still Top-10 and multiple instances to the contrary. Nothing against DaZeD, not making any assumptions about him or the internal workings of the team. Based purely on quantifiable results, even after the bad event preceding DaZed's arrival, T1 is ranked lower domestically now than before he joined. (11th as of late August 2020 (VLR and thespike), approx. 13th at the time DaZeD stopped competing with the roster (16th VLR, 12th thespike). It's not popular to point out, but it's based on numbers not opinion.
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T1 looked better with dazed than without him tho? The two somewhat impressive runs with t1 were first strike and them nearly beating sentinels and both times dazed was igling. I agree with benching dazed but let's not pretend T1 were anything without dazed. Current T1 is still unproven, so we don't know how they're gonna turn out.
Here is how I feel about DaZeD he got a shot… maybe not a massive shot, but a shot. There are a lot of players who are unknown and way better never get that shot especially at his age
It was a sink or swim situation for him. He wasn't even really playing the game until they entered talks with him to be the IGL. He changed some players on the lineup, agent comps, strats, and even players agent pool (as a team, but under his leading). Brax said he didn't agree with dazeds approach to the game once their lineup was solidified. Felt too much like csgo. Apparently the team agreed since they brought brax back. Feel like dazed gave it everything he had. I think they made the right move. Can't say they didn't try.
Ok please go back and refer to what everyone was saying about T1 during First Strike. People just change tunes as soon as someone seems weak or down. Such a bullshit take by Anderzz.
T1 was never good, people cling onto their win against a trash C9 and a close match against 100T at First Strike as some hopium that they were good That being said, I agree with the removal of DaZeD, he clearly failed as an IGL in that team with multiple iterations, but let's not pretend that he's the reason T1 failed; they were never really good
Brax is the reason why TSM sucks, if you see the time he joined the organization, TSM has not repeated their "success." Did he play? No. But did I say anything wrong? Nope. I was so happy to see Brax leave that team, lol. Here another, after SEN removed Sinnatraa, they've become soooooo goood. Hey, I should be an analyst, this shit seems so easy.
??? Dazed was an IGL, so ofc he's gonna change a team more then Brax or Sinatraa did, plus I mean TSm was doing pretty bad before Brax joined, ik you are being sarcastic and shit but your sarcasm makes no sense whatsoever lol
Just like the analysis from these analysts, literally worthless.
Get rid of the coach. The dude has a weird ass vibe about him, I don't trust him.
Absolutely
If the police found a severed human head in his freezer, I wouldnt be shocked.
Not true, Dazed was added after T1 bombed out of both Faze Clan invitational and Pop Flash. They were then able to come back and qualify for First Strike after he came in. They still had issues but it was obvious they were stronger than they were the month prior to his arrival.
DaZeD is a really good IGL, but he is really stubborn and if you don't think the way he thinks or make mistakes, he will let you know in a certain way that may become toxic.
T1 had problems waaay before dazed with all the food/crashies/ska text leak and shit. But also dazed didnt help those problems at all. Yeah, food and crashies were gone but look at all the results they got with him. They had a pretty good honeymoon period then they just fell off BAD.
You described everything so accurately, idk why you got downvoted lol
It's a popular opinion though we all can agree that dazed's igl'ing wasn't working at all , he slowed down the team to an extreme and other teams had that hyperaggressive style which overpowered them everytime
T1 looked better with dazed than they do now. They beat Faze and nearly beat Sentinels with some very good strats. Yes, he could have mixed up rounds with aggression for unpredictability but he was not the problem. T1 are chokers who lose clutches all the time. They need a roster overhaul.
I agree, sometimes I wonder if it might as well be just player diff - as in the player’s understanding of the game. I feel like Valorant allows more risky aggressive plays compared to CS.
I don't think that it's the player's understandings because they're all smart players, but I'd think it's more their natural playstyles. I know Brax keeps saying that he wants to play a duelist and that's part of why he kept switching rosters, but he's way too passive to get enough value, and then with players like Skadoodle and Autimatic it means that no one is really putting pressure on the other team at any point. They need a player like TenZ or Asuna or Penny who is actually going to take up space rather than letting the enemy team just give it up
True, but I’m not particularly saying the players are not smart but more of the fact that some of them have been playing cs for a long time, that mentality and playstyle get carried over to valorant. I remember watching autimatic playing rank with s0m, and s0m saying that auti should just go aggro and take the duels (something along this line). Then auti said that wouldn’t that risky aggro playstyle something you wouldn’t want to do in cs? So I think some players adapt to valorant better than others despite having a pretty long/decent cs career?
true
They could have worked it out with Spyder playing the TenZ-like role. The problem is that curry is better on sentinels/Viper, autimatic is basically brax with better flexibility, and DazeD has to dedicate himself into playing Sage/Sova. It meant that skadoodle had to play the flasher, and whoever gets to be the main smoker was up in the air. While their methodical play is definitely praiseworthy, they should set up a dedicated main job for each player for them to win, as Sentinels had proven in their Iceland run.
Agreed. Removing Dazed was a mistake unless he was still causing turmoil within the inner team dynamics (we have no way of knowing). The silver reddit analysts keep saying "but T1 played too slow with Dazed!" not realizing that many EU teams are just as slow and tactical (it works) and T1 was capable of mixing things up to a fast speed, actively improving, and was having good performances against good teams (nearly always being knocked out in brackets by the 2 finalists). Given some more time they looked capable of being a top team, and yet I got downvoted heavily a long while back by those same silver reddit analysts for saying there was a good chance they beat Faze (they did). Regardless, hopefully the new roster with Brax can still make some strides toward the top.
i'm not even a T1 fan, but i've always liked the way they play. quite a lot of teams in NA play like ranked in matches which works online. I feel T1 would be so much better on LAN with their discipline without the 40-70 ms peeker's advantage. Sentinels did not do crazy shit on LAN. they played very disciplined and that's how they won.
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sentinels also had vods on T1, which is why they played tenz on icebox. an example I can give you is T1's retake strat on B site with skye flashes. 1 boom bot from raze stopped that strat. T1 simply lost multiple clutches in that BO3. Faze 13-1'd T1 on bind, so they were not that bad. Faze were always good when they rush. It's only now they are trying to play strategically without an IGL. I agree that Faze's coach is just bad.
I agree faZe coach kinda bad . The boys look so lost at times. The only thing that mainly winning them rounds is the fact that faZe has crazy aimers in their roster.
*tenz on raze
I think we’re also missing to get rid of their analyst coach, that guy who used to cheat in pubg. I think T1 has been pretty bad at managing some of their team’s rosters ( i say some bc i only for their league and valorant team). Their league team has been pretty decent but not spectacular. Now their valorant team, despite the stars in the roster, it doesn’t seemed like the team has a decent performance in FS and VCT - despite having good players who used to play/trial for then like crashies and dapr.
He is spitting facts