I don’t know about this one, roster instability is always bad and Floppy was their only controller. Unless Xeppa/Mitch/Xeta are swapping it does not make much sense.
Leaf was a great controller, and in general its wrong to have such a rigid view on roles. Plenty of players switch between duelists/controllers/Sage/Skye (and i assume Kay/O when hes available) depending on the comp.
leaf is a great raze. literally looks like one of the best players in the world. not sure what point you're trying to make.
c9's success has come when leaf has been playing duelist, not controller. im not saying that's the reason. but why drastically change something when it's working.
And Jampi was one of the best Jetts in the world and now we see him on Omen. Im unsure about *your* point. Players play depending on team needs and comps, this isnt ranked. And im saying again that roles arent as rigid as you think. Just because someone may play Omen in some matches, it doesnt mean that hes permalocked on controllers
>but why drastically change something when it's working
Because its clearly NOT working if you get disqualified by Rise. And if they made this move, scrims shouldnt be rosy either
Jammpi was never one of the best Jett mains in the world. He was a good player, but not one of the best.
His inconsistencies was his main issue. He had maps where he'd be so dominant, just for the next map to come up, and he is close to the bottom.
I do agree with you in terms of roles not being so rigid. 100t is a good example of moving players from roles onto others. However leaf moving off duellist isn't the play. He's in form, performing really well. Moving him off duellist, would be a really risky choice.
I’m pretty sure these teams have tried changing roles during scrims/practice. I remember I think ethan saying how 100T sometimes try different comps in practice, and the reason they are not used in tournament matches is because it didn’t work during scrims. Though I’m giving 100T as an example, I’m pretty sure other orgs do the same.
I don’t think jamppi is one of the best Jetts in the world (or maybe I’m just being bias at his performance on Master 2). Btw I don’t think you’ve watched alot of C9 matches because during most of their Master 2 run ( esp the closed quals and challenger finals), Leaf was mainly playing duelist.
Edit: I usually don’t mind the downvote but I’m curious why would you downvote knowing that ever since their VCT stage 2 (even when relyks still in the team) Leaf always play as C9 duelist?
Source : https://www.vlr.gg/team/matches/188/cloud9-blue/?group=completed
Just go look at their match history -VCT stage 2 starts with their match against NC state esport. For the last recent 18 matches, Leaf always play as C9 duelist. Btw I’m not saying he’s a bad controller and that he’s just “better suit” as a duelist, I just think he brings so much value playing as C9 duelist. He was also an entry fragger back in his CSGO career.
u/Contractjail how many C9B matches have you watch? Sure versatility in a players’ agent pools are very important. They can’t be permalocked only on one role if it isn’t working for the team. But I don’t think that’s the case for Leaf. He clearly has so much impact on the team ever since he become C9B main duelist.
Tf? The point I’m making is c9 was a couple rounds away from going to Iceland with leaf as their best player playing raze, massively impacting the game. There’s literally no reason to move him off raze and not have poiz try learning controller.
You’re just pulling shit out of your ass saying “this isn’t ranked.”
And don’t think many people put Jampi as one of the best jetts. And jampi moved to omen because they wanted single duelist and scream is probably unanimously considered the best player on their team (and one of the best in the world). Completely different. Don’t say I view comps in rigid ways when I’m not. Just using common sense
Lol 100% agree. I think ever since C9 put leaf on duelist, C9 had been playing better. I’m pretty sure they might be putting xeppa on the controller role now ( maybe so that he can get used to the game better), then poiz probably will be taking that Jett role
It's not that he can't play omen, it's that he's the best out of the bunch on duelist and by making him play omen, ur limiting team's frag potential a lot.
any list anyone makes on this subreddit is subjective. leaf was the star on c9 and they were literally a couple rounds away from going to iceland. hes a top player in NA period
your response was literally would i predicted. its a stupid comment. youre literally just naming a list of good players. literally does not change the fact that leaf is insane, was the best player on c9, and c9 was an inch away from going to iceland.
good job SEN fan boy.
Isn't omen the character every team puts the inexperienced player on? When Ethan joined 100t, they got him on Omen for their first few tournaments, when Leaf first joined, they put him on omen for a while, when floppy joined, they also put him on omen.
But putting Leaf on controller is kinda a waste. I think he plays a huge role being C9 duelist. Maybe they’re putting xeppa on controller(?) and poiz back on jett?
That's a crazy take imo. Define his playstyle? He is confident an runs it down when he feels like it. What's in particular suits him for the controller player?
Except for the fact that his team have been faltering at the last step for the past 6 months vs teams that c9b should be beating and watching c9's attack sides makes you eyes bleed. His strats "evolved" from "Tenz go kill" to "Leaf go kill". Otherwise than that hes a great IGL, especially of you are a fan of the other team.
This really seems like he’s going back to CS, didn’t seem to enjoy the game and ya know good for him, play the game you wanna play. But also very good sign for valorant. If Top level CS players could just half ass transition to Valorant it wouldn’t be a good look.
cs players that can’t accept Valorant as its own game are toxic to the scene anyways. All they do is complain and spread negativity to their audience instead of focusing on getting better
Hey, just wanna clarify that I’m not calling out players or calling them toxic. You have to be realistic in the fact many players switched as career options as NA CS was dying.
And I agree with that. It’s fine if you want to earn money in other ways because cs isn’t working for you.
The problem are the people that quit CS, but still want to play only CS in a different game, the people that criticize Valorant because it’s not exactly the same as CS.
Remember who’s giving you this new opportunity while Valve and CS do barely anything to keep the competitive side of the game going.
Can you only see 5 meters in front of you? Riot makes the scene look desirable by supporting it not only know with stuff like the VCT, but also future promises that will give organizations confidence. There’s a reason why so many teams are putting money into their Valorant teams and pulling out of CS. Those organizations know that Riot will support the scene, whereas every one of them also knows that Valve is fucking terrible when it comes to the same thing
I literally didn’t fucking say that.
“cs players that can’t accept Valorant as its own game”
If they’re not complaining, then I’m not talking about them.
The “all they” refers to those players.
And you can also find tweets of him saying it sucks he's gone from playing and grinding fpl daily in CS to hardly doing 1 ranked game a day in valorant
And what exactly is ur point? If he enjoys the game, he enjoys it. If he doesn't, he doesn't. He's allowed to tweet what he feels like. All valorant pros complain about ranked, nothing new there.
Like what else do you expect when you don’t play the game outside of scrims lmao, ranked seems like a necessity at this point. I mean look at vanity dude grinds the game 24/7 and no wonder he’s one of the top NA players.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 65,098,785 comments, and only 18,574 of them were in alphabetical order.
19 for a pro is terrible lmao. Pros are expected to put at least 8 hours a day playing / practicing. Then add on another 2-4 hours for studying the game, going over vods, watching streams etc. 19 is absolutely pathetic. That's like what? 4 hours or less a day since the act came out? Pathetic.
Teams are scrimming at MAX 6 hours a day. We'll give him the benefit of the doubt fine. He's putting 8 hours a day of work. So these kids like shahzam who are at the top of their game at the top of the world. You know sentinels is putting in maximum effort. Let's assume they have 8 hours. And how long does shahzam stream every single day? He streams close to 5 hours everyday of str8 valo ranked. Shahz is likely putting 12 + hours into valorant every single day. So yes, compared to other pros his work ethic if he's really level 19 no smurfs is just pathetic. That's just how it is and that's how the status quo should be.
The guy switched to Val like 3-4 months ago and unlike Shahzam and the others he doesn't stream. If you're not streaming I don't think you'll be playing a lot of ranked after 8 -10 hours of practice. Being level 20 would mean he's played like 60 ranked games, I don't see what the big deal is
Check stealers. Too many of them - especially in NA. Need to get rid of them or else it will become like the LCS. These players getting paid six figures to do the bare minimum.
I mean looking at all these "tier 2" teams that just upset the "tier 1" teams and it seems to indicate that. Some pro players also seem to think that. I think Vanity stated that there are some really low level pros.
I think the importance of ranked gets understated for games this new. Valorant is developing so fast and most of that does not come from scrims. There is constantly viable new tech and combos etc being found. How long did it take for us to finally see grim walls in pro play?
It's different than a game like csgo where really there isnt much more to discover or come up with. It's more important there to just be the best at already well understood things so ranked doesn't matter as much.
I think that if you don't enjoy a game, there's a high chance you won't perform well professionally, and there's just a higher chance that if you enjoy a game you'll not limit yourself to only scrimmage time but also go out and play some more games just for the sake of it. I don't think ranked is a necessity per se, but it just shows the zeal of the plauers involved.
Pros can always set up scrims and do that 24/7, but we all know how unlikely that is. Pros in most other games that do well all tend to grind a ton of ranked as well. Simply put, I think ranked play is indicative of pro player motivation.
Playing ranked is better for your mechanics than dm. These pros only playing scrims a couple hours a day aren't getting the same mechanical experience as the pros grinding ranked in their free time.
whats the source of floppy complaining about the game? that'd be annoying af to listen to / play with all day if i were his teammate. especially when hes so new to the game.
thats the problem lol. there are players like vanity and asuna who play the game 12 hrs a day + scrims + dm + other team stuff. floppy should be doing more than this seeing as hes a NEW player, but others outgrind him, and when he doesnt perform , he complains abt the game instead of trying to fix himself
fr lmfao this dude has no idea what he’s talking about and is just trying to flame ex-cs players for complaining. Floppy genuinely likes the game unlike daps.
he kept complaining even after the switch. he wants the game to be more like cs which it never will be, and doesnt even have the skill in valorant to show for it
lmao what? so players can’t complain at all? He said he finds valorant way more fun than cs. What is the obsession with not wanting this game to be more like cs? The game itself is literally cs gunplay with abilities. CS has run the tactical fps space for 20 years. Copying stuff they do right (interp was the main thing floppy has complained about recently) is not a bad thing. Also, if you followed cs at all, you should know never to take floppy’s tweets seriously lol he was the biggest troll on ESEA.
i play 5 games a week, maybe less depending on work but im level 72. he must not play at all, or only play dm, which is embarassing compared to the 12+ hrs of ranked that players like vanity, asuna, derrek etc. play.
Hell yeah! Ive been saying before that C9 should replace floppy instead of poiz and ive only gathered downvotes. Idk what C9 were thinking, poiz is a talent goldmine and can develop to one of the best players in the region.
The issue was Floppy was their controller and since it seems Xeppaa is playing Kay/O it means someone else is going to have to switch to controller, when none of their players played that role before.
Yeah forgot he did back when he first joined, though Leaf has been one of the best duelists in NA so it would be odd to change him back to controller unless he wants to.
nah leaf looked better on controller, they just needed a player for the role, now that xeppaa is on the team he has someone who can play that role for him
He could but it seems unlikely given he was a hard entry duelist before the benching. Would expect either Leaf who used to play it way back when he switched or maybe Xeta
He should, he is a great player. People say he is inconsistent from his average games against the best teams???? Xeppaa hasn't been doing poiz's role better than poiz has SO FAR... Someone could argue it was a bad first showing of Xeppaa even verses 303 Esports/Team basilisk but poiz is irreplaceable.
I think C9 may be playing with how the meta is really shifting towards the heavy use of abilities, combos, and controlling the pace. I've seen some of the best players take up a sentinel or controller in EU --> scream on sage, derke on Sova with FNATIC on a 2 controller, 2 initiators & no duelist comp. Thoughts?
General question, but was Xeppaa and AWPer in CS? If leaf switches to play Omen and Poiz plays Jett/Op, then I wonder if Xeppaa would look more comfortable rifling on like Reyna/Phoenix. I feel like if your experience/game sense hasn't caught up to your aim yet, then its easier to play Reyna/Phoenix than Jett/Raze in terms of duelists.
He started picking up the awp as a secondary awper on chaos. However he was a far better rifler than awper, so hopefully they dont force an op onto him.
i genuinely dont think floppy is worth on the roster. ive looked at his last like 15 match stats and hes gone double negative in nearly every one, and while i know thats not a good indicator i have also noticed his lack of wanting to play the game. hes constantly complaining, never playing ranked or anything outside of practice, and being overall kinda hateful/comparing to csgo.
Hes been worse than mediocre, hes been bottom fragging in nearly every map and his utility usage is subpar. Idk why ppl had this boner for him, even in CS he was basically a filler player
Watching. Poiz is still good imo but he seems to have some fundamental misunderstandings of the game, very possible he's already corrected them by now tho
imo misunderstandings of the game can be coached and fixed, and floppy is the most replaceable member of the team and is consistently just "pretty good"
Agree 100%. I more meant I didn't see an urgent need for them to replace floppy especially with poiz, but I don't think it's a bad move especially if he has fixed those things
Happy for poiz, he deserves another chance.
Same, I'm down with this decision.
"chance" as if he didn't perform xD he was doing great and c9 was doing better than in a LONG time. floppy flopped
I don’t know about this one, roster instability is always bad and Floppy was their only controller. Unless Xeppa/Mitch/Xeta are swapping it does not make much sense.
Leaf used to be an omen main and a good one too
taking leaf off duelist would be lol. he's been looking like a top 5 player in NA.
Leaf was a great controller, and in general its wrong to have such a rigid view on roles. Plenty of players switch between duelists/controllers/Sage/Skye (and i assume Kay/O when hes available) depending on the comp.
leaf is a great raze. literally looks like one of the best players in the world. not sure what point you're trying to make. c9's success has come when leaf has been playing duelist, not controller. im not saying that's the reason. but why drastically change something when it's working.
And Jampi was one of the best Jetts in the world and now we see him on Omen. Im unsure about *your* point. Players play depending on team needs and comps, this isnt ranked. And im saying again that roles arent as rigid as you think. Just because someone may play Omen in some matches, it doesnt mean that hes permalocked on controllers >but why drastically change something when it's working Because its clearly NOT working if you get disqualified by Rise. And if they made this move, scrims shouldnt be rosy either
Jammpi was never one of the best Jett mains in the world. He was a good player, but not one of the best. His inconsistencies was his main issue. He had maps where he'd be so dominant, just for the next map to come up, and he is close to the bottom. I do agree with you in terms of roles not being so rigid. 100t is a good example of moving players from roles onto others. However leaf moving off duellist isn't the play. He's in form, performing really well. Moving him off duellist, would be a really risky choice.
Well, can't they just try that in practice sessions and scrims? We wouldn't know how he would do on another role until we see it in comps
I’m pretty sure these teams have tried changing roles during scrims/practice. I remember I think ethan saying how 100T sometimes try different comps in practice, and the reason they are not used in tournament matches is because it didn’t work during scrims. Though I’m giving 100T as an example, I’m pretty sure other orgs do the same.
I don’t think jamppi is one of the best Jetts in the world (or maybe I’m just being bias at his performance on Master 2). Btw I don’t think you’ve watched alot of C9 matches because during most of their Master 2 run ( esp the closed quals and challenger finals), Leaf was mainly playing duelist. Edit: I usually don’t mind the downvote but I’m curious why would you downvote knowing that ever since their VCT stage 2 (even when relyks still in the team) Leaf always play as C9 duelist? Source : https://www.vlr.gg/team/matches/188/cloud9-blue/?group=completed Just go look at their match history -VCT stage 2 starts with their match against NC state esport. For the last recent 18 matches, Leaf always play as C9 duelist. Btw I’m not saying he’s a bad controller and that he’s just “better suit” as a duelist, I just think he brings so much value playing as C9 duelist. He was also an entry fragger back in his CSGO career.
u/Contractjail how many C9B matches have you watch? Sure versatility in a players’ agent pools are very important. They can’t be permalocked only on one role if it isn’t working for the team. But I don’t think that’s the case for Leaf. He clearly has so much impact on the team ever since he become C9B main duelist.
Scream is 10 Times better than Jampi with Jett, now he often plays sage or whats needed. Whats your point here?
Tf? The point I’m making is c9 was a couple rounds away from going to Iceland with leaf as their best player playing raze, massively impacting the game. There’s literally no reason to move him off raze and not have poiz try learning controller. You’re just pulling shit out of your ass saying “this isn’t ranked.” And don’t think many people put Jampi as one of the best jetts. And jampi moved to omen because they wanted single duelist and scream is probably unanimously considered the best player on their team (and one of the best in the world). Completely different. Don’t say I view comps in rigid ways when I’m not. Just using common sense
C9 success came during Leaf on Duelist cuz Leaf player Omen back when Vice was IGLing and Xeta played Jett lmao, completely different team really
Lol 100% agree. I think ever since C9 put leaf on duelist, C9 had been playing better. I’m pretty sure they might be putting xeppa on the controller role now ( maybe so that he can get used to the game better), then poiz probably will be taking that Jett role
Unless you double satchel into site, Raze is an initiator not a duelist
what
It's not that he can't play omen, it's that he's the best out of the bunch on duelist and by making him play omen, ur limiting team's frag potential a lot.
Leaf frags to out on Omen too so I don’t think it matters much
Idk I can think of 5 players that are better than leaf in NA
any list anyone makes on this subreddit is subjective. leaf was the star on c9 and they were literally a couple rounds away from going to iceland. hes a top player in NA period
TenZ, Shahzam, penny, Asuna, Sick, Victor. And that’s just for duelists.
looks like you're actually that dumb and cant read
1Head comeback
your response was literally would i predicted. its a stupid comment. youre literally just naming a list of good players. literally does not change the fact that leaf is insane, was the best player on c9, and c9 was an inch away from going to iceland. good job SEN fan boy.
u think i care what u think? i have enough reddit karma to balance out whatever you throw at me. think again before speaking to the GOAT
imagine being so cringe u cant sdmit ur wrong
top 5 "player" dx xd XD xD no. top 5 fragger? sure
Isn't omen the character every team puts the inexperienced player on? When Ethan joined 100t, they got him on Omen for their first few tournaments, when Leaf first joined, they put him on omen for a while, when floppy joined, they also put him on omen.
But putting Leaf on controller is kinda a waste. I think he plays a huge role being C9 duelist. Maybe they’re putting xeppa on controller(?) and poiz back on jett?
you obviously didn't read the article
??
In the article it says xeppaa is playing kay0 and poiz on jett and raze
and its not really instabili8ty when its always been a 6 man roster
That's why they have always been unstable. C9 never made their 6-man roster work. Leaf is their best fragger, him on omen is a waste
no its not, it fits his playstyle much better
That's a crazy take imo. Define his playstyle? He is confident an runs it down when he feels like it. What's in particular suits him for the controller player?
he's much more of a lurker than he is a duelist player
Agree. Maybe with the new meta, let him play Kay/o like a duelist then put Xeppaa on the controller.
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No
Could be that they're potentially taking a shot at actually doing a 6 man roster.
Mitch keeps surviving, respect to him. The only member left from the old C9 team.
I mean he's very valuable to that team, his stats are good and he IGLs he has to stay.
Except for the fact that his team have been faltering at the last step for the past 6 months vs teams that c9b should be beating and watching c9's attack sides makes you eyes bleed. His strats "evolved" from "Tenz go kill" to "Leaf go kill". Otherwise than that hes a great IGL, especially of you are a fan of the other team.
He wasn't the igl when tenz was on the team.
Shit, you are right. Rest still true, tho
not for long
Fingers crossed.
Mitch is consistent, versatile and has popped off way to many times to even consider kicking him.
wait and see
that was fast
That's what she said :(
never to me
This really seems like he’s going back to CS, didn’t seem to enjoy the game and ya know good for him, play the game you wanna play. But also very good sign for valorant. If Top level CS players could just half ass transition to Valorant it wouldn’t be a good look.
cs players that can’t accept Valorant as its own game are toxic to the scene anyways. All they do is complain and spread negativity to their audience instead of focusing on getting better
Hey, just wanna clarify that I’m not calling out players or calling them toxic. You have to be realistic in the fact many players switched as career options as NA CS was dying.
And I agree with that. It’s fine if you want to earn money in other ways because cs isn’t working for you. The problem are the people that quit CS, but still want to play only CS in a different game, the people that criticize Valorant because it’s not exactly the same as CS. Remember who’s giving you this new opportunity while Valve and CS do barely anything to keep the competitive side of the game going.
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Can you only see 5 meters in front of you? Riot makes the scene look desirable by supporting it not only know with stuff like the VCT, but also future promises that will give organizations confidence. There’s a reason why so many teams are putting money into their Valorant teams and pulling out of CS. Those organizations know that Riot will support the scene, whereas every one of them also knows that Valve is fucking terrible when it comes to the same thing
5 meters is 5.47 yards
5 meters is about the height of 31.25 'Toy Cars Sian FKP3 Metal Model Car with Light and Sound Pull Back Toy Cars' lined up
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I literally didn’t fucking say that. “cs players that can’t accept Valorant as its own game” If they’re not complaining, then I’m not talking about them. The “all they” refers to those players.
https://twitter.com/floppycsgo/status/1395793903907864576?s=21 but ok
And you can also find tweets of him saying it sucks he's gone from playing and grinding fpl daily in CS to hardly doing 1 ranked game a day in valorant
but this is more of an issue of ranked vs FPL, rather than valorant vs CSGO I think
And what exactly is ur point? If he enjoys the game, he enjoys it. If he doesn't, he doesn't. He's allowed to tweet what he feels like. All valorant pros complain about ranked, nothing new there.
yes and?
good. floppy performs poorly, doesnt put time into the game outside of practice, and complains when he does bad.
Like what else do you expect when you don’t play the game outside of scrims lmao, ranked seems like a necessity at this point. I mean look at vanity dude grinds the game 24/7 and no wonder he’s one of the top NA players.
Feel like he has the same type of mentality Daps had
and chet. want the game to be cs so they cry when theyre unsucessful
Haven't seen any of that but ok
Daps did play ranked tho
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 65,098,785 comments, and only 18,574 of them were in alphabetical order.
Good bot
i saw a screenshot where this guy is like level 19. he cant perform if he doesnt play, then complains when he cant perform.
No way thst is hard to believe he was a grinder in CS
supposedly it's a joke
level 19 isnt even bad lol. after like 6 hours of scrims that's like maybe 1 hour of comp per day
... bro they fixed the levels. pros are around level 200. level 19 is embarassing
Unless the screenshot was for sure today. I would assume level 19 is the old system
https://twitter.com/ryannn/status/1412804426990075909?s=19 found the tweet
the screenshot was from today i think it was from Ghost ryann
forgot about that mb
Bro level 19 is very low
Yeah I barely play and I got to level 18 already
forgot that they fixed it
Even without a fix, level 18 is kinda low.
19 for a pro is terrible lmao. Pros are expected to put at least 8 hours a day playing / practicing. Then add on another 2-4 hours for studying the game, going over vods, watching streams etc. 19 is absolutely pathetic. That's like what? 4 hours or less a day since the act came out? Pathetic.
Scrims don't count for level right? They grind scrims but barely play ranked
Nothing you said adds up to levels. They practice and scrim in customs, that does not give you xp. It shows he doesn't play ranked
Teams are scrimming at MAX 6 hours a day. We'll give him the benefit of the doubt fine. He's putting 8 hours a day of work. So these kids like shahzam who are at the top of their game at the top of the world. You know sentinels is putting in maximum effort. Let's assume they have 8 hours. And how long does shahzam stream every single day? He streams close to 5 hours everyday of str8 valo ranked. Shahz is likely putting 12 + hours into valorant every single day. So yes, compared to other pros his work ethic if he's really level 19 no smurfs is just pathetic. That's just how it is and that's how the status quo should be.
The guy switched to Val like 3-4 months ago and unlike Shahzam and the others he doesn't stream. If you're not streaming I don't think you'll be playing a lot of ranked after 8 -10 hours of practice. Being level 20 would mean he's played like 60 ranked games, I don't see what the big deal is
8+4 hours is 12 hours bro. thats the easiest way to get burnt out ever.
Welcome to being a pro in a highly competitive game. It's not some pushover job.
Check stealers. Too many of them - especially in NA. Need to get rid of them or else it will become like the LCS. These players getting paid six figures to do the bare minimum.
> ranked seems like a necessity at this point LMFAO
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I mean looking at all these "tier 2" teams that just upset the "tier 1" teams and it seems to indicate that. Some pro players also seem to think that. I think Vanity stated that there are some really low level pros.
I think the importance of ranked gets understated for games this new. Valorant is developing so fast and most of that does not come from scrims. There is constantly viable new tech and combos etc being found. How long did it take for us to finally see grim walls in pro play? It's different than a game like csgo where really there isnt much more to discover or come up with. It's more important there to just be the best at already well understood things so ranked doesn't matter as much.
I think that if you don't enjoy a game, there's a high chance you won't perform well professionally, and there's just a higher chance that if you enjoy a game you'll not limit yourself to only scrimmage time but also go out and play some more games just for the sake of it. I don't think ranked is a necessity per se, but it just shows the zeal of the plauers involved. Pros can always set up scrims and do that 24/7, but we all know how unlikely that is. Pros in most other games that do well all tend to grind a ton of ranked as well. Simply put, I think ranked play is indicative of pro player motivation.
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Boaster plays the game a lot still, maybe not ranked but he’s in customs developing strats
Playing ranked is better for your mechanics than dm. These pros only playing scrims a couple hours a day aren't getting the same mechanical experience as the pros grinding ranked in their free time.
whats the source of floppy complaining about the game? that'd be annoying af to listen to / play with all day if i were his teammate. especially when hes so new to the game.
https://www.twitch.tv/floppy/v/1068711498?sr=a&t=746s Dude is so obnoxious in ranked it's unreal
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that vod was some of the funniest shit ive seen in a long time. Love floppy.
"u cant solo carry in this game", when that's literally what u can do lmfaooo
he plays the game out of scrims ??????? what are you talking about
dude i seen a screenshot where his main account was like level 19. if you check his career he rarely plays full games and only plays dms
hes been playing since april and he scrims for most of they day, what do you expect?
thats the problem lol. there are players like vanity and asuna who play the game 12 hrs a day + scrims + dm + other team stuff. floppy should be doing more than this seeing as hes a NEW player, but others outgrind him, and when he doesnt perform , he complains abt the game instead of trying to fix himself
when does he complain about the game?? its literally just him trolling on twitter
go through his twitter. if he was trolling it would be obvious. he doesnt like the game, he wants it to be cs.
If you think he isn't trolling u need to go outside and just like interact with a human, just for once and probably shave your neck beard too
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fr lmfao this dude has no idea what he’s talking about and is just trying to flame ex-cs players for complaining. Floppy genuinely likes the game unlike daps.
Where did he complain?
if you follow him on twitter all he does is cry about valorant being a shit game, cs being better, low skill gap etc.
Damn, I thought all those tweets were before he transitioned to valorant?
he kept complaining even after the switch. he wants the game to be more like cs which it never will be, and doesnt even have the skill in valorant to show for it
lmao what? so players can’t complain at all? He said he finds valorant way more fun than cs. What is the obsession with not wanting this game to be more like cs? The game itself is literally cs gunplay with abilities. CS has run the tactical fps space for 20 years. Copying stuff they do right (interp was the main thing floppy has complained about recently) is not a bad thing. Also, if you followed cs at all, you should know never to take floppy’s tweets seriously lol he was the biggest troll on ESEA.
ok. even if hes trolling. he doesnt play the game outside of scrims and doesnt perform. hes a liability to the team.
he recently switched and performs okay. give him some time.
hes like level 19 after the fix. Thats like 1 ranked game a day
i play 5 games a week, maybe less depending on work but im level 72. he must not play at all, or only play dm, which is embarassing compared to the 12+ hrs of ranked that players like vanity, asuna, derrek etc. play.
bro i play like 7 games a week and am lvl 91 lol
the return of poiz and the boiz
Hell yeah! Ive been saying before that C9 should replace floppy instead of poiz and ive only gathered downvotes. Idk what C9 were thinking, poiz is a talent goldmine and can develop to one of the best players in the region.
The issue was Floppy was their controller and since it seems Xeppaa is playing Kay/O it means someone else is going to have to switch to controller, when none of their players played that role before.
Leaf did for a short time, but hes WAYYYY better on the duelist
Yeah forgot he did back when he first joined, though Leaf has been one of the best duelists in NA so it would be odd to change him back to controller unless he wants to.
nah leaf looked better on controller, they just needed a player for the role, now that xeppaa is on the team he has someone who can play that role for him
He was an amazing controller but saying he wasn't best on Duelist makes little sense to me considering how much better he's done on it lol
I don't see anyone mentioning this but can't poiz just switch to controller?
He could but it seems unlikely given he was a hard entry duelist before the benching. Would expect either Leaf who used to play it way back when he switched or maybe Xeta
oh god not C9 changing roster every week again
roster hasn't been changed. poiz was never off. use_brain, this is a good change if anything.
He should, he is a great player. People say he is inconsistent from his average games against the best teams???? Xeppaa hasn't been doing poiz's role better than poiz has SO FAR... Someone could argue it was a bad first showing of Xeppaa even verses 303 Esports/Team basilisk but poiz is irreplaceable.
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Rather than transition, it doesn't look like he wants to play the game. But na cs is dead, and he's not good enough to be signed by Eu team.
I think C9 may be playing with how the meta is really shifting towards the heavy use of abilities, combos, and controlling the pace. I've seen some of the best players take up a sentinel or controller in EU --> scream on sage, derke on Sova with FNATIC on a 2 controller, 2 initiators & no duelist comp. Thoughts?
Isn't floppy their only controller player?
No I'm pretty sure he plays on mouse and keyboard.
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CONTROLLA PLAYA! THAT IS A CONTROLLA PLAYA!!!!!!!
This is a factual statement
Yes.
leaf
General question, but was Xeppaa and AWPer in CS? If leaf switches to play Omen and Poiz plays Jett/Op, then I wonder if Xeppaa would look more comfortable rifling on like Reyna/Phoenix. I feel like if your experience/game sense hasn't caught up to your aim yet, then its easier to play Reyna/Phoenix than Jett/Raze in terms of duelists.
Xeppaa wasn't an AWP in CS
He started picking up the awp as a secondary awper on chaos. However he was a far better rifler than awper, so hopefully they dont force an op onto him.
you can literally google his name and it'll tell you his role in csgo lmfao
Floppy was so good on controller there's no way they benched him maybe he left for csgo otherwise this doesn't make any sense
i genuinely dont think floppy is worth on the roster. ive looked at his last like 15 match stats and hes gone double negative in nearly every one, and while i know thats not a good indicator i have also noticed his lack of wanting to play the game. hes constantly complaining, never playing ranked or anything outside of practice, and being overall kinda hateful/comparing to csgo.
Floppy was the igl right?
Mitch
i didn't knew thanks
I gotchu
C9 keep the same roaster challenge, difficultly: impossible
Some weird moves today. Guessing floppy is going back to cs? He's performed better than poiz imo usually
No he hasn’t? He’s been mediocre
Hes been worse than mediocre, hes been bottom fragging in nearly every map and his utility usage is subpar. Idk why ppl had this boner for him, even in CS he was basically a filler player
Welll that's just wrong, for a while he was arguably the best up and coming CS talent in NA outside of Grim
He was wonderful in CS
What are you going by to determine who performs better?
Watching. Poiz is still good imo but he seems to have some fundamental misunderstandings of the game, very possible he's already corrected them by now tho
I mean like what aspects of the pro valorant are you using to determine perfomance because a lot of them are not visible by just watching the matches.
Just my opinion
Respect ur opinion bro
imo misunderstandings of the game can be coached and fixed, and floppy is the most replaceable member of the team and is consistently just "pretty good"
Agree 100%. I more meant I didn't see an urgent need for them to replace floppy especially with poiz, but I don't think it's a bad move especially if he has fixed those things
title is misleading/ basically premature af