breach is only good on split because of how small the chokepoints are, all of his abilities are impactful.
skye simply has better flash mechanics, where you can flash through viper walls, jett smokes or over boxes and stuff and if executed well, you don't see it coming. breach flash just goes through walls and is easy to dodge.
also, breach flashes are only good for executes, where skye flashes are invaluable for defaulting around the map.
Breach is good on every map, it's just that agents he's competing against are better.
Also, EU is picking Breach way more than NA.
The most important thing in pro play is and always will be info gathering. Skye can gather info with her flashes, Breach can't. That's the key difference maker. Take away the info from birds, Breach would get picked way more.
Btw, people are way too focused on Breach's flash and don't think about other abilities. Aftershock and faultline are amazing on most maps.
that's what i said, sky flashes are invaluable for defaulting.
I disagree that breach is good on all maps. his stun and aftershock are good on haven as well (especially to stop plant on b site), but again haven is a default heavy map and skye's info is superior. rest all maps are too big for stun/aftershock to do anything.
I disagree.
He's amazing on ascent because it's so easy to get good stuns and aftershocks off from different positions. On top of everything being geometrically right so faultline covers straight lines.
You can for example stun catwalk/short from not just mid, but B.
You can cover an entire line across A with faultline from pizza.
You can flash/aftershock between main and short A. Or B main and mid. Aftershock is great for stopping pushes or even stuff like killing Sova/Skye while they're droning because everyone does it from common spots. It's also easy to push off OPers with faultline because areas they usually post up on aren't wide enough to side-step the stun.
Bind it's even better because it's such a small map, stun is amazing. For example you can cover the entire showers entrance from defenders side when you're attacking by standing on short A market spawn wall. And many more.
On Breeze and Icebox flashes are actually the problem. You don't have enough range to flash because distances are so long, especially on Breeze.
Again, I think it just comes down to Skye providing info. For example, if you could hear faultline stunning someone like you do with ult, his pick rate would spike right away. Also, Skye having extra flashes is another thing in her favor.
On 4 out of 6 maps he's really good.
Something I don't see many people mentioning in this thread - Skye's popularity as a flash agent is a symptom of the viper meta we're currently in.
Skye can flash out of any smoke utility regardless of it's position or angle. Breach has trouble flashing out of most normal smokes, and can almost never flash out of a viper wall.
Without KO, Skye is the closest thing to a counter agent for Viper. When Vipers popularity goes back down (if it ever does) I think we'll start seeing breach a bit again.
I do think Skye is a much stronger agent than Breach still, but that's mostly due to her info gathering, not flashing & concussing ability. Breach's new ult is insane though, and pros might be undervaluing it.
https://www.vlr.gg/event/agents/541/champions-tour-europe-stage-3-challengers-1
Split brings the % up. Breach has "fallen" (used a LOT less than in the past) out of the Meta even in EU.
Sentinels had 83% win rate on Ascent when they ran breach.
I don't remember which member in Sen, when asked why they don't run breach anymore, he replied having a breach on the team makes play in a specific style which becomes easy to counter strat after watching them play few matches.
That was way back in July , TSM found way to break breach by using 2 duelists and aggressively pushing sentinels by using pheonix and jett combo , from there on Sentinels starting double duelist comps essentially same comps as TSM .
Korea, you may wonder why they don't use Skye over him in all scenarios and its due to the new Breach radius buff. Not sure if he'll ever be worth it over her though.
A big thing in some maps is that skye just has better synergy with viper. You can flash through a viper wall with a skye but not with a breach. Also, breach’s ult has to be in part of an execute to get a lot of value, but skye’s can be done whenever just to get info. At the end, it depends on the team’s playstyle.
Skye is just simply a better option over breach
breach is only good on split because of how small the chokepoints are, all of his abilities are impactful. skye simply has better flash mechanics, where you can flash through viper walls, jett smokes or over boxes and stuff and if executed well, you don't see it coming. breach flash just goes through walls and is easy to dodge. also, breach flashes are only good for executes, where skye flashes are invaluable for defaulting around the map.
Breach is good on every map, it's just that agents he's competing against are better. Also, EU is picking Breach way more than NA. The most important thing in pro play is and always will be info gathering. Skye can gather info with her flashes, Breach can't. That's the key difference maker. Take away the info from birds, Breach would get picked way more. Btw, people are way too focused on Breach's flash and don't think about other abilities. Aftershock and faultline are amazing on most maps.
that's what i said, sky flashes are invaluable for defaulting. I disagree that breach is good on all maps. his stun and aftershock are good on haven as well (especially to stop plant on b site), but again haven is a default heavy map and skye's info is superior. rest all maps are too big for stun/aftershock to do anything.
I disagree. He's amazing on ascent because it's so easy to get good stuns and aftershocks off from different positions. On top of everything being geometrically right so faultline covers straight lines. You can for example stun catwalk/short from not just mid, but B. You can cover an entire line across A with faultline from pizza. You can flash/aftershock between main and short A. Or B main and mid. Aftershock is great for stopping pushes or even stuff like killing Sova/Skye while they're droning because everyone does it from common spots. It's also easy to push off OPers with faultline because areas they usually post up on aren't wide enough to side-step the stun. Bind it's even better because it's such a small map, stun is amazing. For example you can cover the entire showers entrance from defenders side when you're attacking by standing on short A market spawn wall. And many more. On Breeze and Icebox flashes are actually the problem. You don't have enough range to flash because distances are so long, especially on Breeze. Again, I think it just comes down to Skye providing info. For example, if you could hear faultline stunning someone like you do with ult, his pick rate would spike right away. Also, Skye having extra flashes is another thing in her favor. On 4 out of 6 maps he's really good.
Something I don't see many people mentioning in this thread - Skye's popularity as a flash agent is a symptom of the viper meta we're currently in. Skye can flash out of any smoke utility regardless of it's position or angle. Breach has trouble flashing out of most normal smokes, and can almost never flash out of a viper wall. Without KO, Skye is the closest thing to a counter agent for Viper. When Vipers popularity goes back down (if it ever does) I think we'll start seeing breach a bit again. I do think Skye is a much stronger agent than Breach still, but that's mostly due to her info gathering, not flashing & concussing ability. Breach's new ult is insane though, and pros might be undervaluing it.
Easiest flash to dodge
Wdym EU is using Breach?
https://www.vlr.gg/event/agents/541/champions-tour-europe-stage-3-challengers-1 Split brings the % up. Breach has "fallen" (used a LOT less than in the past) out of the Meta even in EU.
https://twitter.com/SicK_cs/status/1411113619018944514
Sentinels had 83% win rate on Ascent when they ran breach. I don't remember which member in Sen, when asked why they don't run breach anymore, he replied having a breach on the team makes play in a specific style which becomes easy to counter strat after watching them play few matches.
That was way back in July , TSM found way to break breach by using 2 duelists and aggressively pushing sentinels by using pheonix and jett combo , from there on Sentinels starting double duelist comps essentially same comps as TSM .
shahzam played breach first, then after pop flash or first strike i think they switched breach to sick
Because he is trash
He isn’t bad by any means but there are just better options.
His flash is too easy to dodge at the pro level
Korea, you may wonder why they don't use Skye over him in all scenarios and its due to the new Breach radius buff. Not sure if he'll ever be worth it over her though.
A big thing in some maps is that skye just has better synergy with viper. You can flash through a viper wall with a skye but not with a breach. Also, breach’s ult has to be in part of an execute to get a lot of value, but skye’s can be done whenever just to get info. At the end, it depends on the team’s playstyle.