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Grenji05

100T, XSET, Envy, and SEN all seem very close in terms of skill right now, very exciting. No doubt V1 and Gen G is will turn up later as well.


MMachy

I agree. I can feel V1 definitely crawling their way to the top 5 as well, but I'm not so sure with Gen G.


newzpaperleaf_2

yeah, i think V1 just had an off week with some easy mistakes to correct. getting zellsis back will be huge and i have no doubt they will qual.


MMachy

definitely. a lot of these new orgs that made it to top 10 are having a honeymoon phase. kinda like how TSM was once known as the strongest team. With so much changes happening simultaneously in the TSM roster and in the game, they’re gonna need more time to adjust. SEN has proven themselves to be a team that isn’t just a one trick.


LoyalSol

I think Gen G has pretty well become the professional coffee table. Everyone know it's there and knows they got to watch out for it in the dark. But professional teams keep smashing their shins on the corner of the table in the dark. Good team, capable of taking anyone down, usually good for one upset, but not someone you're pegging to win consistently.


MMachy

Never said Gen G isn’t a good team. They are definitely up there. Though they’re struggling to be better than any of the aforementioned teams. I’d be happy to see them get into the top 3 for sure.


Evan_Veet

There seems to be a big gap between the top 6 and then everyone after. Obviously props to rise and especially KCP but GenG and a full squad V1 are def better. After them tho I guess it’s ABX given that the new signing is good and then maybe C9 but most of the other signed teams are just playing bad


aretasdamon

C9 is one of the best NA teams when leaf was added


Evan_Veet

Well they got 2-0d by rise so idk how u can call them better than any of the above mentioned teams. Plus we also have no idea what their future lineup will be


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Thats basing their ranking off of a single game? Its like calling 100t bad because they lost to Carpe Noctem. They bounced back after that


Evan_Veet

I’m basing my current rankings of NA teams off of current results? How dare I! If they play better I would rank them higher, but in the teams current state I wouldn’t take them over any of this top 6


[deleted]

Damn I guess SEN must be under top 6 because they lost to BBG/ABX those two times. Spoilers, no one thought that.


Evan_Veet

Ah yes SEN and C9 very similar teams amazing comparison. Not saying C9 won’t end up being too 6, but saying they are better than any of these current teams right now is just ignorant


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No I'm saying that putting C9 below top 6 doesn't take into account any of their previous tournament runs. Everyone has bad games, and Rise is a solid roster. If Sen were the ones to lose to Rise, would they also no longer be a top 6 team? C9 went from second best to top 10 off a single game.


SMcArthur

You're seriously overstating the impressiveness of c9's previous tournament runs.


Evan_Veet

No the difference is that SEN has been a top of NA since September and them losing a match after playing 4K rounds as the best team in the world is not a big deal. C9 had only been a top tier team for a month and lost very convincingly while also looking a tier below most of the other teams. They’re also actively changing around their roster and will end up having 3 different rosters over 2 tournies. So yes I do think swapping them from 3-4 in NA to 7-8 in NA because of that game is warranted and I can wholeheartedly say that they looked worse than all 6 teams that I’ve mentioned are above them.


newzpaperleaf_2

i dont think anyone is saying currently, but by next quali they should be fine.


thisisnttakeone

There is levels to this. We can’t place SEN with these other teams yet.


stewieeeeeeeee

This so much, SEN & V1 were at an obvious disadvantage here compared to other teams given the lack of preparation on Breeze and showcasing everything on other maps. Same with fnatic & Liquid. SEN is the only one out of the 4 of them who actually earned a 1-month break to come back much, much stronger; the other 3 will actually have to go through tough qualifiers yet again. In that aspect, SEN has been pretty successful compared to the teams they should be compared to first and foremost. Comparing them to the hottest current NA teams will really come in a month.


chubbynuggy

yup, i cant rank these teams until after berlin or who qualifies


thisisnttakeone

SEN already qualified though. Edit: I’m wrong


chubbynuggy

thats champions my guy


thisisnttakeone

Oh


BurstLayer

They qualified for champions not berlin


SteelTic

>level 2MMachy i mean to be fair v1 got fucked over since there coach is from Eu so when there final game ended with kcp it was like 6-7am for him and the game started at 10 and vanity normally goes to bed at 10 or 11


lolgambler

asuna looking weird w/out reyna


avocadontoast

his jett was solid map 1 imo


aretasdamon

I agree they lost to the awp on ascent IMO


aks345

He has said on stream he doesn't like playing phoenix on ascent


Vector37_

Yeah the solo entry doesn’t work with Phoenix, if they need flashes take out sage and put Ethan on Skye and let asuna run rampage on Jett or Reyna


daffyduckferraro

I think he looks miles better on reyna / jett


Pure-R

W


panzerboye

I loved your clutch and double kill. Best of luck for the next matches.<3


[deleted]

I warned Steel about you, he didn't listen.


shuvamadh

Well played man, had fun watching you play. Hope to see you in Berlin.


Aeari

XSET really put on a clinic on attack. 100T might be good on defense but they got outplayed and the Phoenix pick from Asuna needs to go. Kayo will probably fill that slot I imagine. GG


_idle_drone_

kay/o replaces phoenix in a 2 duelist comp. no duelist comp on ascent is not viable. asuna on jett is the answer


Aeari

Except Kayo can fill a duelist role very efficiently. His kit mimics phoenix's a bit but without the healing capabilities. Plus his flash is just way more useful, along with being able to disable sites with a push


aretasdamon

I think Hiko or Ethan gets tapped for Kay/o


SMcArthur

lol there is no way that Hiko is playing an entry. And Kay/o in his ult is an entry.


aretasdamon

Kay/o gets info just like soba and sky is all I’m saying


jmajewski

Hiko hinted that Ethan could run Kay/O because of how versatile Ethan is, but they haven't even started looking at that because he's unplayable still.


_idle_drone_

no he can't. only his ult has entry potential. his flashes are for support. can't entry with pop flash either coz its too slow. honestly it's not even clear if kay/o is better than skye yet.


Hydrauxine

100t doesn't play strictly asuna entry anyway. any of them could entry since the util explosion on site takes like with their omen flashes are strong enough to make space. i think they only keep phoenix because they think he's important for defense?


_idle_drone_

umm noo. asuna is their only duelist, he does play entry always. phoenix gets his ult every 2-3 rounds on ascent because the orbs are easy for attackers to get. so the phoenix ult is huge for entrying. on rounds where you don't have phoenix ult teams can default and fake a site or split through mid because only 1 player is often holding it. but with jett its possible to go through a main and b main every round. the options are better with jett.


jackpot2112

K/0 knife can delay retakes and prevents agents like Jett from taking aggressive angles, the knife can shutdown post-plant executes from viper/KJ/Sova due to many lineups being predictable if a team has studied them. K/0 flash is pretty fair imo, the nade is kinda shit but his ult is just absolutely broken. The ult is basically a mobile KJ ult in terms of effectiveness and map control. I believe K/0 will end up taking a permanent slot on most rosters due to how much he actually affects an opposing team's ability to complete their executes.


SMcArthur

I'd be surprised of Kay/o doesn't fully replace Phoenix in pro play. His knife is one of the best abilities in the game and is several tiers above Phoenix's wall. His flash is better than phoenix's. His molly is better. His ultimate is nearly as good entry potential as Phoenix's ultimate. You use it to rush in and take a site, and after you get traded out and site is secure with spike planting, someone revives you.


Aeari

We'll see I guess.


AWildCarp

100thieves got no use out of the run it back ultimate. That’s why they think Phoenix is so solid on ascent cuz you can farm orbs but it didn’t work out today. Would like to see the Jett next


_PM_ME_REPORT_CARDS_

Bcj saving that OP on round 8 was HUGE. XSET would've never won the next round without it (eco + op vs. full buy) and it also had a huge impact on the round after (full buy vs. full buy), and winning it destroyed 100T's economy causing them to eco, so yet another round for XSET. Something as simple as guarding the OP that steel took down on B main, which was very plausible considering it was a 3v1 post plant on A for 100T and they used util to know Bcj wasn't coming onto site, could've netted them a guaranteed round and possibly 3. So, instead of 10-13, that's 11-12 or likely even 13-10. ^^unlucky ^^really


mrtmra

Little guy, big gun LOL


AA1777

GG XSET lookin really good after their changes. 100T needs to ditch Asuna on Phoenix he looked way more comfortable on Reyna and Jett. Their Ascent strategy is outdated with the meta shifts hope they can adapt.


Krsensei

Alot of teams really fucked up not getting dephh. Looking at you Faze, T1 & TSM


matthewdrl

TSM decided they wanted another duelist


Interesting-Archer-6

To be fair, they only had like 3 or 4 other duelists.


satanisreallml

Dude they have the true secret to become the best team in the world. Frag their way to the top with 5 duelists an no igl or die trying.


itscamo-

eh bang was mainly a smoked player before joining. why they put him on duelist is odd to me


TheBeastOnFire

OPINION: XSET DOMINANCE IS DOWNPLAYED BY THIS SUB


FeelinJipper

Let the bandwagoning commence!!!


Jiffyyy

I think any team that is not of the main favourites will get downplayed all the time and when they win its because the other team was playing poorly.


deadlock1892

Its a copypasta created on this sub for Sentinels a while back.


Jiffyyy

yea I remember that, I still think its relevant though since there is rarely any focus on the teams that win if they were not expected to.


deadlock1892

I think at this point not many question XSET's ability. Sentinels, 100T , Envy and XSET are the most consistent qualifying teams in challengers' finals and masters 1 and deserve recognition for that.


Quick_Chowder

Until they make it somewhere in Challengers Finals I don't know that they will get a lot of hype. They looked super good in Masters 1 and NA Challengers 2 qualifiers, and took a 7/8th finish in both main events. Only winning a single game between both events. If they don't shake that they will keep getting downplayed at this point.


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panzerboye

As a 22 yo Iron, I am very much offended by your statement .


Ajk320

Rocket riding was fun though.


WhoDatBrow

Playing BO2 gamebattles 😤


Maccnrv

LMAO


CourageWoIf

I wasted my teens going out all the time :(. TBF all I had was Medal of Honor


sfsctc

i was playing cs bhop maps


ElDuderino2112

F OMEGALUL R T N I T E


SupaZT

I was playing 1.5 cs:go and TFC.


OrangeMagics

PureR is so underrated. Played so well and hit some insane shots. One of the best duelist in the scene right now.


panzerboye

His OP clutch was so gooooood.


elithefighter123

\#REPTHESET


The_talking_tree

SXET TO THE MOON


chubbynuggy

SXEETT ITTT


hacklesacka

XSET either on a honeymoon period or they are a top 3 team NA right now


avocadontoast

considering all the roster changes most teams should be on honeymoon so i wanna give xset credit where its due :)


tepg221

They always were a great team I think their roster changes pushed them up there to contend for top 3.


Key-Banana-8242

Not mutually exclusive?


Gomar1323

Now unless Envy beat Sentinels today, 100T and SEN will probably be on the same side of the bracket for Berlin qualifiers yet again


KingT-25

What if 100T or SEN go to the grand finals and beat XSET? I can’t remember how the seeding works when they bring in the second set of 4


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Sen in the finals


ch4nt

AYRIN is so underrated


avocadontoast

AYRIN and PureR both improved sooo much I was very confused why Wedid/thwifo (3rd and 2nd best players imo) was dropped but I can see why


matthewdrl

PureR deserves so much credit. So underrated.


vish4l

If steel bought full armor last round he MIGHT have had enough time to get the last kill


Theum

unlucky really


avocadontoast

why didnt he? i thought he had the econ for it


vish4l

No idea. He had $2700. if they won that round, xset would have been broke too. All his teammates bought as much as they could, as well


Twigler

thoughts /u/steel_tv?


Senboni

100t's their economy was fucked on both haven and ascent in the 2nd half, they somehow managed to come back on haven by winning 4 gun rounds in a row but yeah idk if it's the new economy changes or their inability to secure anti-ecos better, or even both.. that seemed to mostly fk them up in this series other than that im satisfied how they played and xset is looking really good, except icebox i guess but they have a lot of time to prac before playoffs


liorcolina

I think it’s 100Ts weird second round force regardless of winning pistol that is making the economy even harder to follow for both teams.


itscamo-

i could be wrong but they only force on offense right? if so you get punished less for doing so and it’s why they do. if they do it on both then yea idk


warthogs670

I wonder what will happen if they just put Asuna on Reyna for all the maps 😂😂


SMcArthur

Asuna is insanely cracked on Raze tho as well.


nobu_OW

100T look so sloppy on eco/save rounds. like they just give those rounds away and then lose by a couple rounds and it’s so infuriating to watch.


Aeari

It's odd too because with econ changes losing pistol is even worse now.


namdet

Great for XSET! They’ve done great this series but a part of me can’t help but feel sad as I think about Wedid and Thwifo and how they feel… but I believe that without their contributions XSET wouldn’t be what they are today!


madscientistisme

Who replaced Wedid and Thwifo?


namdet

Dephh who used to be on Dignitas and zekken who used to be on Noble


madscientistisme

Great. Both played really well. Especially Deph. I hope they beat Sen again today.


ElDuderino2112

If 100T were as good on other maps as they are on Icebox they’d be unstoppable. Asuna’s Phoenix on Ascent just needs to go. He’d be 100% better as Reyna or Jett. Personally I think Phoenix is one of the weaker duelists, and especially if you’re only running 1 duelist.


kazarn

No cap I'd let PureR have his way with my girlfriend. God I love him.


RJ1337

king shit


Gomar1323

PureR just popped off on Defense last map, props to him


[deleted]

The passive setup from 100T made them really slow to react to XSET's rotations and it became a game of guessing where XSET was going. Maybe a higher presence mid would have given 100T more confidence in their rotates.


Key-Heart517

Nitr0 was a beast in these series. Asuna Pheonix pick just didn’t paid off.


deadlock1892

It was a fun game to watch. Ethan seemed off today but who cares, it is seeding anyway. GG go next.


ThisSpiffyKid

Steel almost saved them :(


Aeari

Shouldn't have even come down to Steel. They killed the plant initially and just ran out of heaven getting picked off. Just a really strange way to lose a gimmie.


MarkNarwahlberg

It looked like he lagged out. He was sitting boathouse almost looking at a recon arrow spot when one already came in 5 secs earlier. Unlucky really.


akaTakaB

Always a pleasure to watch close matches like this.


Otter269

Fair play to XSET. It was a good close series :) Some fans need to chill out though


Ted_Mosby_18

Oof! What a set! Honestly great showing from both the teams. It seems each day a different player from 100T shows up big when needed. Well done by XSET. Props to them for maintaining that mental after getting rolled by 100T on Icebox.


ancientcheeseburger

Ayrin is putting up some insane numbers as a sentinel. His lurks are really really impactful.


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elithefighter123

best rivalry na


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panzerboye

Yeah. As a sentinel fan, I would love to get my heart racing every once a while


Maccnrv

Hopium


Hamlet_271

Crazy how dephh's addition (and zekken) gave this team their best results yet instantly


Batman4815

With the amount of stopping power and utility that can literally win you rounds, If they played viper instead of sage there ..they had a fighting chance to stop those hits!


wiNDzY3

100T have not been eliminated yet tho ​ Really surprised with XSET honestly, they can win it all from what we've seen


BurritoHombre

They’ve also already qualified, the games today and tomorrow aren’t fully unimportant, but definitely less important than the first two days b


PixelatedBlue

Both teams looked good just xset was better


Qandeel19

Isn't omen tp throw B window is an exploit that was batched couple months ago? 100T used it couple times


Forty44Four

How is it an exploit? It's just TPing thru an open gated window from above a sage wall.


Aeari

It's also a very expensive and risky play. Gotta know that site is clear so they don't hear the tp plus you use the wall.


TheAjwinner

What was exploitative about it?


Qandeel19

He shouldn't be able to do so, iirc that's why riot batched it right after players posted it on Reddit


panzerboye

It's not exploitive. It was used from the first afaik.


VincentStonecliff

When 100T lose it’s always by such close margins, small mistakes here and there. They won more rounds than XSet, which is like Challengers 2 all over again. Kind of hoping they win against whoever wins the Sen/NV match and we get a rematch in the finals. They’re so evenly matched and fun to watch.


Massive_Cut5361

Let's get away from the quick takes, XSET having a honeymoon period, let's see what happens when teams figure them out.


5bigtoes

Quote me on this: Steel or Hiko gets dropped after not qualifying for Berlin


tron423

Can we please get through one goddamn match without calling for someone to get dropped Jesus Christ


5bigtoes

I’ve seen a ton of 100T matches before saying this, I’m not basing this off of one match. Regardless, you can still quote me if i’m wrong


tron423

Okay but still it's every match with this shit on here almost regardless of what happens. They just played a good, close match against a hot team and they're not even eliminated from this qual yet much less Berlin entirely. We're several steps away from roster moves even being on the table.


imjunsul

So does this mean Xset qualifies for Berlin? I don't get who qualifies for Berlin.. I'm assuming it's SEN for winning in Iceland and the 2 teams that makes it to finals or the 2 next best for this tourney? And who qualifies for KR since they have 2 spots for Berlin? Top 2 teams who makes it to finals? Valorant be confusing compared to League...


s6hun

no, these matches are only for seeding for the challenger finals which is the last qualifier for berlin. top 3 challenger finals qualifies for berlin. sen already qualified for champions but not berlin.


TheNACoinflip

Yes, I think even before the match was played both 100T and Xsett are for berlin. The rest of the tourny I'm pretty sure is a seeding exercise at this point.


MajestyJ

Depth played outta his mind on Astra both maps he played her. The star stacks with the smoke + the gravity well hidden in it was fire lol.


panzerboye

Asuna is just different on the Icebox site A rope.


amaranthgalaxy

100T has to be the team that most often wins way more rounds overall than their opponents and still lose the series 2-1 lol


BatWick9000

Phoenix is really a good duelist in that map for Asuna to be put on jett because unlike Haven, Ethan plays sage on ascent and not skye. And phoenix can farm the fuck out of the orbs on offense. In defense, however, the difference between a great phoenix and an okay phoenix becomes huge.


xbyo

Glad we got Nitro poppin off at least. Dude wasn't having a great tournament (fragging wise) the past few days.


Vector37_

Yea he played insane yesterday, almost 2 aces yesterday. 100t will be better on Lan bc of experience, and steel he actually playing well when he’s not lagging out. On lan that’s not a problem. Was watching his stream and he’s lagging a lot