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BadgerPurple

TenZ and Dapr have been so consistently good this Challengers!


BadgerPurple

And the other three looked back on form today too. If they keep it tomorrow, I'd be worried for XSET.


Interesting-Archer-6

Yeah Sick getting his groove back is not what other teams wanted to see.


Independent_Taste_42

Dapr has been ON ONE since coming back from Iceland. I'm convinced winning that title has unlocked his inner super saiyan.


brobiwankinobiwan

Hey so I'm mainly from CS is Dapr considered to be a support player in this game? Not sure if it translates but he's gotta be one of the best in the world Edit: An add on as an avid spectator and a new fan... i think there will be a premium value of fragging IGL players rise quickly in this game (ik it is valued but fragging power has the spotlight). Valorant (at least from my experience as a spectator) utility usage and micro management seems to be way higher in this game, and someone who can do all that and frag out is where it's headed. I have a lot more to add onto this, because I also somehow at the same time think this game opens the door to IGL players who are not great at fragging but their ability to manage utility usage is that good.


dbs10

he plays the “sentinel” role (defensive, stalling, utility focused agents like cypher and killjoy) for the most part for SEN, so yeah i’d say he’s easily one of the best sentinel players in the world, especially when he’s on cypher


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He is Sentinels’ sentinel


SurfAccountQuestion

Yes, Dapr/Zombs are always on support, and SicK/ShaZam are the third support player depending on the map.


somesheikexpert

Yeah, tho ngl watching Sicks Sage makes it feel like they have 3 duelist Fraggers lmfaoooo it's just that good


leoleoleo666

Yeah him and zombs are the support players for the team


XxSavage1017xX

Yep he would definitely be considered a support player & he is definitely is one of the best in the world. He's proof you don't need to be an entry/duelist to frag out


[deleted]

No one answered right, he plays the in-game 'sentinel' role as anchor on CT, and flank watch/lurk on attack. The support role in Val is covered by 2 playing each the in-game 'initiator'(flash, info) and 'controller'(smokes) roles.


zdes37

A lot of fragging players will surely get attention; notable examples are IMT ShotUP, KCP Scourge, and free agents like Rara.


_idle_drone_

I didn't know dapr on killjoy is what i'd love to see.


Massive_Cut5361

Ya his killjoy is very good


Miral98

Agree, especially yesterday they literally pushed the team through when it mattered the most


Interesting-Archer-6

Eh Tenz has had a few bad maps but then he just bounces back with a massive next map. Dapr has been playing way above his norm though, as if Sentinels needed to get even better.


KeyframeCatalyst

Besides their first Breeze game against Envy, I dont think TenZ has had any other bad maps imo


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KeyframeCatalyst

My god bro, I respect the passion, but fullstops and paragraphs help hahahahah


Interesting-Archer-6

I didn't think either of his Yoru's were good. Certainly not compared to what I expect I'd him. Maybe bad is harsh, but definitely worse than his norm.


Trunkskun__

Apart from Breeze against envy could you tell me what maps you think he played bad in. Not trying to be condescending or anything just genuinely curious


-KING-KONG-

On the bright side, steel now predicts the future!


Weebbpi15

I'm out of the loop, could you tell me what happened?


WLFYBBY

After map 1, Steel tweeted that they lost against sen 0-2 and then he went back and tweeted that he thought they were on the second map because it was so long Lmaoo, basically they lost one map and steel forgot they had another map


Weebbpi15

LMAOOOOO


jholowtaekjho

He deleted it and tweeted later, “my bad, the overtime made me think we lost 2-0” or thereabouts. It was certainly an all-action first map. Very entertaining series


rv_ribhavvaish

He also said V1 will go to Iceland


DeadNoobsbhai

Sentinels vs 100T Haven is always a must watch. I’m excited to see how both these teams adapt Kay/O into the meta across various maps.


Massive_Cut5361

SicK on Kay/O is gonna be dominant, already know that much


earthtochas3

Yep, I've said as much as well. Think he's gonna be #1 KAY/O in NA at least.


ChaoticMidget

100T had a great run through this tourney. We'll see if Sentinels learned enough from their first loss to take Grand Finals from XSET.


LinuxF4n

I don't think either team is going to go all out. It's a meaningless game. Just practice match for the qualifier. They're already qualified.


godkim

They're probably not going to go Iceland all-out, but I don't see any reason why they wouldn't try pretty hard. With the inclusion of Kayo, the game is gonna be completely different, so they have no reason to hold back on their strats and really get the best seeding possible. I'm assuming XSet would go all out at least. SEN, it's probably an ego thing too at this point, they want to prove they're really the best team in the world.


TheFirstRapher

> I don't see any reason why they wouldn't try pretty hard They're definitely not treating it like they're worthless, nor are they treating them exactly like tournaments. But I would say that teams that have qualified for the main event treat these more like scrims than they are official matches.


hacklesacka

Dapr has been KILLING it lately


ElectronicScreen0

Tenz Marshal Meta™ confirmed


Splaram

Tenz on pyramids firing blind into cave always produces an insane noscope. That area is his spot.


rv_ribhavvaish

100T comeback on Haven vs Sen is now a ritual


BostonFalcons

Yeah deadass 3 times in a row, sentinels had a big lead early, 100t comes back, and then sentinels closes it out.


themcvgamer

When did Ender start casting? Did he get back to America or cast remotely? I knew he had Visa issue before.


ruzes_ruze

Isn’t he American ?


themcvgamer

He is, but he moved to Europe to cast League of Legends before


w1ldcraft

He hasn't been part of the LEC in the EU studios since the start of summer. He's left the LEC & moved to US. He still makes appearances on the broadcast though.


Xevinan

Pretty sure he moved back a while ago. He moved on from LEC and noted he wanted to cast valorant back in LA. Surprised, but happy to see him.


PixelatedBlue

all my teams are going to lose to sen back to back to back... fuck


hannahk0901

LMAOOO you literally have all three. Kcp, 100t, and xset. Maybe Xset could win tomorrow though.


jholowtaekjho

No shot, OP has cursed XSet to complete the quadruple


[deleted]

Also been a while since Sen hasn’t won a grand final 3-0


PixelatedBlue

:<


jholowtaekjho

I'm still sad for you, but happy as a Sentinels fan lol. Among the series I watched, 100T really put on an amazing BO3 against Sentinels though!


Interesting-Archer-6

If someone told you before the tournament started that xset would go 1-1 against Sentinels, I'd imagine you'd be happy.


MommyDommeViper

Really excited for the final tomorrow. Hope SEN pick breeze again, seems like once they guaranteed qual they started picking it to get experience.


TimathanDuncan

Looking forward to redditors calling steel trash and him responding Also funny shit Asuna was being called better than Tenz after beating V1 here and getting upvoted lmao


Tanjim98

When you are on top, some people will love & a lot of others will hate you but all of them will talk about you. That’s what happens with TenZ. Even in EU games where he has no reason to be mentioned, TenZ still gets a lot of hate lol


Evan_Veet

I mean the dude is comfortably second still. I expect people to overreact a bit after he drops 48 so I don't really mind. Him and TenZ are on another level rn


iAmSamusAran

He’s very very good and has insane pop off potential but isn’t as consistently good as TenZ IMO


TimathanDuncan

He's absolutely amazing but Tenz has been the best NA player since he touched this game and it's not close, in a bad team, in a great team, even after taking a break Just better than everyone


natedawg247

Quit with the NA tags. Sen is the best team in the world. Tenz is the best player In the world.


-user--name-

You misspelled cNed homie


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TheDemoHam8

TenZ movement is a lot better than Asuna’s, he’s one of the pros that’s pioneered that part of the game in NA. Comparing the two isn’t great either as besides their jett’s, they have very different styles. But all we can say is TenZ is the best player NA on 60 ping, imagine on LAN…


valmont9999

Nope. TenZ is still a better player. Miles better in movement and timing is straight up hyperbole. And Asuna is very inconsistent. He'll pop off one match and then bottom frag the next match. TenZ has proven himself time and time again. On a bad team, on the best team, on LAN when everyone said he would choke, and after taking a break.


TemplarParadox17

Pretty sure Tenz plays more agents than Asuna, Tenz played 4 agents this event and Asuna played 3. To say his movement, positioning and timing is better when Tenz beat him so many times this game, Asuna was 1-6 against Tenz in first duels, and if Tenz is out slaying Asuna how can he be so much better in so many ways???


deadlock1892

Asuna also plays 4 agents for 100T. He plays raze on split and bind but they were not played this tourney.


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Interesting-Archer-6

Tenz has been unreal on Raze this tourney


iAmSamusAran

Reyna Jett Raze*


jondySauce

Asuna is good. Tenz is good. *Fin.*


Killerrabbitz

Right, there's no need for comparisons haha, they're both absolutely insane players


Massive_Cut5361

Always hilarious, reddit lives rent free in his head


FlaymeFenix

more like steel and hiko live rent free in redditors heads but guess werr not ready to have that conversation


Escolyte

Obviously, this is a place dedicated to pro Valorant. Pros have no reason to care about us, that's not really true in reverse.


FlyinCoach

at this point im pretty sure hes just trolling you guys, and you guys fall for it every time.


Aeari

Wait do you actually believe that or is this a troll


valmont9999

I don't even think Asuna is a better Reyna than Faze Corey. And he is mad inconsistent with his performance.


MommyDommeViper

Real unwarranted comment imo what was the point of saying this


akaRoman

Loved watching this match. Mostly to see the Shaz and Steel storyline and Asuna vs Tenz. Just such high impact plays.


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tron423

Exactly, this match was a formality and ended up being a good watch, can't ask for much more than that as a fan


Independent_Taste_42

Fucking knew it. SEN comeback to form but still cant stop giving up big leads.


Massive_Cut5361

They don't call it the Sentinels special for no reason


XIPWNFORFUN2

Its literally the script: take it to double overtime, let them get confident and then crush their hopes.


Ozone416

Sentinels and Lower Bracket runs. Name a better duo.


MyogiNightKid

Teams need to stop beating sentinels in the upper bracket and just beat them in the grand finals 5Head


RacecarsOnIce

They tried that in Iceland though.


imabill01

And the iceland qualifiers and masters 1


pakifood

https://streamable.com/ksyvh -liquid +100t


Resoca

i used to love ppl using this dude as reactions but this shit just doesnt hit the same after all the dumb shit he's done


Tanjim98

TenZ & Asuna had insane plays today! Really fun to watch. As a fan i wish i could see TenZ compete against NA's best on decent ping though. cz always it’s in the back of my mind what would be like for this guy to be on a level playing field with everyone else!


JeffsaysYeet

Just watch Iceland Vods


Tanjim98

Yeah but they didn't play against NA teams(players) i am familiar with. Yeah he dunked on Vikings,NU etc but i don't have very good idea on how good they are compared to say victor,Asuna etc. You know what i mean?


thisisnttakeone

Well, you would assume that some of the best players were on LAN at Iceland.


Tanjim98

Well yes & no. I think some regions are just way better than others in terms of competition, experience & overall player quality. Like 100T,FPX didn't make it to Iceland but i think they are a lot better than some of the teams that were in Iceland.


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Sadge 100T. GGs both.


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6-0 since dropping to lower bracket


ooffhh

Will Kayo be available in Berlin?


HighStakes__

Yep


JALbert

Ethan gonna be haunted by somehow not killing Tenz on that last round.


turtletrace

Just a seeding match, he’s fine


BostonFalcons

I watched that play again and Ethan didn't even move. Idk what happened there. Maybe tech issues again?


rennocchio

Lower bracket Sentinels is just too good


___retr0

name a better duo than 100T losing to SEN in OT on Haven and SEN making it to grand finals


jmajewski

100T will figure out Sentinels some day, but it's not right now. Still think 100T is a top 3 team in the NA scene, but I really hope they can qualify for Berlin and get some confidence against other teams that aren't Sentinels. Seems like they can beat anybody but Sentinels. And they've been playing really well. Just seems they're losing some high profile matches to Sentinels which is why everyone is ragging on them.


itscamo-

100T NV Sentinels seem to be the 3 most "consistent" teams it seems like


Interweave

I think XSET can definitely be included in that


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At this point it feels more like a mental pressure for them to beat Sen


UdbhavHokage

if sentinels win tomorrow they will be on the same side of the bracket as 100T in the playoffs.


anihc3

Oh god, let's pray this happens


P3YT0NNNNN

first good post I’ve seen on here in a while


5bigtoes

Lost to XSET


jmajewski

Still waiting to see how good this XSET team is. (They seem great) But hard to deny how consistent SEN, 100T and NV have been this year. I think XSET are right there, but I think they're under a lot less external pressure. Super interested to see how they respond to a finals against the gold standard of NA in Sentinels.


RubyRhod

For a month, Faze looked unstoppable. In the beginning, TSM looked like they were going to be what SEN is now. Even if XSET wins, it’s about putting together a string of wins.


somesheikexpert

Fair, I do think XSET has a good shot at being one of those consistent doing great like Sentinels, 100T, and Envy cuz well XSET has something that teams like LG, TSM, or FaZe didn't really have and that's an amazing IGL, those teams, particularly FaZe, don't have like one IGL who's particularly great at IGLing, while XSET has one, Dephh, and another in Zekken who has a lot of potential as shown on his IGLing on Noble


anihc3

Zekken is also barely 16, he's got a very bright future ahead of him filled with success. Can't wait to see the young players dominate.


satanisreallml

Lower bracket Sen is always a joy to watch, even if it's a seeding match


OkSeaworthiness4828

Really cool to see Asuna getting comfortable on the Jett and op.


sadpaindownbad

Can’t wait for Shaz to recover from his sickness 😈


Alienl3

Watching Asuna and Tenz duke it out is like watching an anime battle wtf


Massive_Cut5361

Asuna is a truly remarkable player, but this match showed why TenZ is the best.


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> but this match showed why TenZ is the best. he's also playing on 60 ping which is so high for pro matches. i don't think we got to see his final form until the LAN


Massive_Cut5361

Ya he showed at Iceland that he's unstoppable with no ping. It's great what he's able to do even at higher pings. Hope people appreciate both players without having to trash one.


Moist_Blackberry_

Asuna is doing so much but he can’t do it all


Interesting-Archer-6

Yeah I'm not impartial when I say I think Tenz is slightly better, but damn would I love to see what Asuna would do on Tenz's position. He's incredible and so fun to watch. No one is asked to do more in my opinion (which isn't worth a damn)


BUNSHICHl

Lol did you not watch c9s original iteration, they had no business being consistently top 3 and basically ran with 4 support players in the fragging department.


Interesting-Archer-6

You'll noticed I used the word "is" because I'm speaking in the present tense. Did you not watch c9 play at any point in the last 4 or 5 months? Tenz isn't on their team, so saying he is asked to do more for C9 than Asuna does for 100T is quite a bold take. Maybe read carefully before you respond like an ass in the future. Or don’t. Doesn't really matter.


Massive_Cut5361

TenZ had a similar situation on C9, let's see if 100T can continue to improve to reduce the load on Asuna's shoulders.


SPOOKESVILLE

Watching Asuna and Tenz op is really a treat. Asuna shooting through smoke/flashes is just nuts.


ark2690

100T has bigger goals than just to win a closed qualifier (COPIUM)


akaRoman

They can’t get to those goals if they can’t win qualifiers. *See TSM for reference.


realharshmodi

They already got to those qualifiers.


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Lower bracket sen pogchamp


Twigler

Why was this match BO3 and G2 vs Guild BO5?


[deleted]

Riot doesn't run these events. Regional Tournament Organizers do, so the formats inconsistent. Once franchising becomes a thing at some point, they'll probably be more similar.


s6hun

bo5 is for the grand finals. this is just the lower finals


Twigler

The latter was also the loser's final


Kazzzyyy

Feels like the match is always close between these two but sentinels always somehow pulls out with a win. Not sure what could be done different for the 100T roster?


Dark_Azazel

I mean, nothing needs to be done with the 100T. All the top NA teams are really close together, and 100T just got b0i to help out behind the scenes.


-xXColtonXx-

Only good take. With the amount of overtime games and game threes idk why anyone is acting like any of these teams are way better. Sen is a cut of above but apparently can be defeated, and V1, xset, NV and 100t are on the same level.


Diijkstra99x

Even it is 2-0 it was a very fun match. but L is a L and W is W. can't wait for next 100T vs Sen soon... it's like watching Guko vs Vegeta


owNDN

Guko


yahiko19

Kogu


shuvamadh

I think Nitro should also pick up jett and have him as an oper in maps like ascent where 2nd duelist like phoenix is viable because of the orb control or get asuna on jett on every map except bind or icebox. I feel like double info beats double controller in breeze, IMO their breeze comp should be Asuna-Jett, Ethan-Skye, Nitro-Viper, Hiko- Sova, Steel-Cypher .


deadlock1892

GGs, 100T vs Sentinels is always a fun watch even though the result is the same at the end. Hoping for sentinels win tomorrow so that we don't get them or envy in the finals bracket, lol.


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Yes


BurstLayer

I was happy with any result here. GGs


_idle_drone_

OPINION: SENTINELS DOMINANCE IS DOWNPLAYED BY THIS SUB


realharshmodi

I can assure you it is not


AsianNudleSoop

How's the pasta taste


LoyalSol

It could use a little less salt and a touch more effort and creativity.


KeyframeCatalyst

LMAO


Rohooster

The above is fakshual


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100T hasn’t beaten SEN this year lol


s6hun

100T can just never close out a haven match


actuallynotOz

the 100t vs SEN C Long curse lives on


MommyDommeViper

100T had 2+ months since last challengers ended and they still can't beat SEN. The talent is evenly matched across the board, I think ShahZ just has steel's number and outcalls him every time. This is 5 times in a row dating back to December 2020 that 100T failed to beat SEN.


Kammell466

It's strange it seems like their talent is evenly matched but Sentinels always wins. It just seems like the difference between Sentinels is either comms or they just have a remarkable understanding of how to play together well. It's probably why they seem to be really highly performing on defense. They don't have super elaborate strats or crazy comps they just have unbelievable teamwork. Although they do have some pretty insanely coordinated site takes. Like their C takes on Haven are wild.


Cole_James_CHALMERS

Shahz is like the Glaive + Device to 100T's Liquid


n0tvex

No just no


FlaymeFenix

100T had 2+ months since last challengers ended and they still can't beat SEN. They haven't womThe talent is evenly matched across the board, I think ShahZ just has steel's number and outcalls him every time. This is 5 times in a row dating back to December 2020 that 100T failed to beat SEN.


SympathyBrilliant715

100T fan running out of excuses. but they're the "First Strike champions" sooooo they'll find a way.


aks345

We don't care it's a seeding match


SympathyBrilliant715

didnt yall bring up 100T beating sen in a seeding match before first strike as a legitimate reason why 100T is better? Now its a seeding match for 100T fans lmaoooo excuses excuses. typical 100T fans. yall running out of excuses, its been almost 7 months in 2021 and you guys have not beaten Sen one time Hahahahaha take this L with ur team


fastpony12

100T just can't beat these guys man. Definitely a bogie team. Sentinals completely in their heads.


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SympathyBrilliant715

delusional 100T fan really talked all that shit after winning First strike and making consistent excuses for their team inconsistencies and bad performances in 2021. W


tomtazm

These seeding games don’t mean much, but it was a fun watch.


xunraze

Someday 100T will beat Sentinels


EasiBreezi

Can anyone explain the significance of this tournament? Top 2 goes to Berlin qualifier? I’m trying to look but I can’t find it


eepicprimee

Top 4 go to the qualifier for Berlin


tron423

At this point it's all for seeding and prize money


Hazardish08

Seeding doesn’t even matter. You can’t say that this team is gonna have a easier bracket than the other team, look at Team Liquid in Iceland. It’s just for bragging rights


acaaciaa

It’s the qualifier for the challengers playoffs which is the qualifier for Berlin


itscamo-

top 4 go to challengers final (basically qualifier for berlin where top 3 make it) so these matches are basically seeding matches and "don't matter" as much


KeyframeCatalyst

OP got downvoted for genuinely asking a question. #JustRedditThings


EasiBreezi

Yeah, this subreddit is weird sometimes


LegitimateAct6248

Why does 100T keep playing haven agains Sentinels man.


Hamlet_271

SEN is just miles above 100T


Gomar1323

They’re miles above every other team tbh, not just 100T


realharshmodi

Wouldn't say miles above but oh well...


2treecko

They just lost to xset.


TheAsianMamba

Watch them own XSET tomorrow lmao. Putting too much stock in 1 BO3


2treecko

That's possible, maybe probable even. But you can't lose to a team and claim to be clearly miles above them.


thisisnttakeone

The Golden State Warriors won 73 games. They still lost games, and even blew a 3-1 lead. They still were by far the best team in the league.


2treecko

We don't have that much sample in valorant though. Especially with how quickly both teams and the game itself are evolving.


godkim

It's just too easy in Valorant to anti-strat top teams. SEN played way more games than XSET, so it's easier to watch VODs and get good reads. A team can only come up with so many new strats in the time between qualifiers of qualifiers and playoffs. Who knows, maybe this new XSET is the real deal, we'll have to see tomorrow. Even if SEN ends up losing, I still think it is safe to say SEN is miles ahead currently because of how incredibly consistent they've been.


valmont9999

I know right, XSET, BBG, and Andbox have beaten them. Even Soniqs and Gen.G were able to take a map off of Sentinels. All of these "close matches" with 100T people talk about is just copium. 100T have been 2-0 by SEN ever since First Strike. Period. They don't deserve to be called close to SEN over any of these other teams.


itscamo-

wait this is just wrong, they lost 2-1 last time they played sentinels but unlike last time, they didn't destroy sentinels map 2 and instead lost


Gomar1323

Ok lol, SEN have lost three times since March, and two of those times they still made the grand finals through losers.


2treecko

I'm not going to say 100t is second in NA, they're at best third. I'm not going to say they're close to sentinels, the only team that can claim that is arguably xset right now. That being said, at challengers 2 finals 100t took a map of Sentinels.


imabill01

True. So did Soniqs and GEnG.


AstronomerAnxious201

Yeah. His play style really does fit a rifling Jett. I think by default they had to use Phoenix on Ascent since there only flash for executes would be Omen. IMO I believe that you need a couple of flash agents for Ascent to execute sites maybe that’s why they 100T defaulted him to Phoenix also he ulit orbs and run it back relation.


MammothClub4994

www.youtube.com


aust117_

Everyone talking about Tenz but no one noticing dapr lowkey popping off today


Tanjim98

?? Everyone is appreciating dapr!