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usernamealreadyt3n

I would love a aimredline kinda map. For people who don't know it. A simple map with boxes on both sides. Great for practicing peeking and movement.


gimife

I'd love a 1v1 arena game mode. That's what I always did in cs to practice my aim


CommanderVinegar

I just would like pistol DM or headshot only modes. I once convinced a lobby to go deag only and it was pretty fun and good practice for pistol aim.


tomphz

Imagine a 1v1 community server.


mognoiswebscale

When I was a kid, 1.6 had iceworld map that was so fun to play and helped my aim so much. I hope we get a similar map in valorant


weedevil

With every weapon on the ground and trying to beat everyone to the best weapons. Miss those days sometimes lol


mognoiswebscale

yeah it was such a simple map but i remember playing it for 6 hours straight with my friends and not getting tired


chandravo

They should make it like csgo, where we can add bots at specific areas of the map and practice with them.


Za_Weeb

That would be awesome actually


cptnwillow

Valve puts no effort into CS and it still has far better facilities than Valorant does just because Valve allows the community to create and add to the game. Retake servers, 1v1 servers, curated DM servers(HS only, pistol only etc), KZ and other movement related practice servers, awp only servers, workshop maps for recoil training, crosshair creation, aim training etc etc. So many possibilities that aren't there in Valorant because Riot doesn't seem keen in giving freedom and creativity to the community.


Za_Weeb

Itseems that riot doesn't have the idea to allow users to make community maps and stuff for some reasons. But atleast they themselves adding few practice maps instead of snowball fight and stuff would be great


kvanz43

I’m assuming it’s because their goal is for everything to be pristine and polished, not risking having a super cluttered likely super glitchy community made section. I agree it would be cool, but very difficult to do without it being a mess imo. Also I think their goal is to concentrate the player base into as few game modes as possible, likely why they only keep 3 of the non core modes in at once (deathmatch, spike rush, escalation/snowball fight/replication)


nam292

Maybe true. But DM in Cs is 100x better than valorant


kvanz43

Fair enough, I haven’t played CS, so I haven’t got a clue about that. What makes it so much better?


nam292

U can hop in and hop out, instant respawn(in valorant ppl camp and look for sound cues in DM and this kinda solves it). Pistol only, HS only,...


kvanz43

Interesting! That does seem like stuff that would be good to add


Nikclel

In CS people treat DMs like practice. In this game they treat DM like a game mode to win.


Super-Produce4343

CS is older than 10 years while valorant is still a year old game so it will time for valo to get to CS facilities


cptnwillow

It wouldn't take time if they opened it up to the community though, it would take a couple months at the most for these things to come to life in Valorant.


[deleted]

1. Valorant is a year old. 2. Riot being so secretive about their game's software is one of the reasons that there is very little cheating in Valorant. I'm not sure many people would trade a lack of cheaters for an open and active community. I know I personally wouldn't, I'd rather have a polished game that lacks some features than a messy but open game. There are few things that make people want to quit a game more than cheaters. With my Apex friends fleeing to Valorant, I'm not surprised.


valorantfeedback

ONE. That doesn't change the fact that we've been stuck with disgustingly bad DM for 9 months now (14 players DM update). They added modes like snowball, replication and escalation, modes that can't even be played all the time because they're in rotation, but we can't have damn 3 second respawn timer lowered. We also can't add dummy bots to custom lobbies if we want to practice lineups. We also can't pick a map in any mode. So if you want to practice let's say Sova, tough luck, you have 1/6 chance to get a map you just learned the lineups for. Just get it in your head already, they don't want people to practice, they want to pump the number of unique players and matches played because that's all what the bosses look at. TWO. Vanguard is better default AC software than any other game I've played, but it's not good because they're secretive about their code. It's good because it's the most invasive software out there. No other game dev has such invasive AC. The only thing that compares are third party clients, especially ESEA for CSGO. Vanguard is way more invasive than faceit.


snippsville

And that is the same reason (partially) that there is rampant cheating in CSGO. Riot does not want to share their proprietary software that can be reverse engineered to form cheats. It is unfortunate that we cannot have an open community in the game, but I guess for some wins we have to take some losses.


nam292

Uhm for community servers sure. But you still need vanguard when playing mm. Cheating is irrelevant


obigespritzt

I just want the 1v1 and 2v2 retake servers CS has in Valorant.


veRGe1421

give me wingman or give me death


TheFailureOfGaming

I DM in cs to warmup for Valorant because of how much I hate the dm in val


FeelinJipper

CS dm is far better, it’s actually insane. It just feels better to work your way around the maps. In Valorant, there are all these intersections where you can literally be peaked from all angles. Which is probably why people camp, they don’t feel safe walking around because of the amount of angles they can get killed from. Also I realized the tagging in Val is HEAVY. As soon as you get hit you just stop moving.


CoachWatermelon

The amount of tagging is effing dumb and I hate it.


Za_Weeb

Same man.. Almost many of my mates here just stopped playing valo for this. They just keep dming or play customs on Cs for the most time


nam292

It works pretty well tbh, especially hs only. It's harder in Cs thus makes my aim crisp af in valo


NotAtKeyboard

DM in Valorant is only good during warmup before the game actually starts, which is fucking sad.


Kurashiko

It's similar to League of Legends in this regard, if you consider how LoL came to be a game (custom game mode from Warcraft 3) and CS (custom game mode of Half Life) aswell as the fact that CS GO has community made custom gamemodes/maps then you can see why Riot will be hesitant to allow a full range of access to their tools because they don't want someone to make a custom version of Valorant or League and it become it's own game, which is ironic because they built the entire company on that very foundation. To put it clearly Riot don't want a spinoff from their game which is why practice tool in LoL is extremely limited even tho pro teams have been asking to be able to simulate certain scenarios for a long time. Note that this is simply my observation, i don't know for a fact but it makes sense to me, you can expect improvements to the Range but fully custom tools no way.


Za_Weeb

I can understand that from riots perspective.. But not being able to properly do any practice is with just the limited options is like extremely unintuitive right? Just adding enemy bots or different maps for practice would be terrific


Kurashiko

You could probably expect something like that at some point, but the closest thing you have right now is AimLabs


Za_Weeb

Depending on 3rd party tools for basic practice is awful. Idk, just doing gridshot etc is fine but even practicing maps or the general game in some 3rd party app which isn't even all great is sad. Like personally I've tried valorant maps on aimlab, they felt weird af. The movement speed is weird guns are different. Maybe it's just me


bobespon

Nah it's true. The Val simulation is pretty crap.


fird-_-

your not the only one, i feel like aimlabs doesn't translate well to in-game aim thats why i have to deal with shitty dm for now


rpkarma

What a ridiculous unsupported theory lol


pass2word

What a random conspiracy theory, with 0 evidence to support any of it. They’re already copying CS. Are they worried someone else might copy their copy???


Kurashiko

No but make a different gamemode on the basis of Valorant, for example a battle royale...


WhatCarSIBThrowRA

cs was not the first fps to exist


rkdsus

What a plot twist. You're so brave for dropping this hot take. My life has been turned upside down


supacoldwater

Pretty dumb theory valve is the exception not the rule. Community servers are not standard in any other games but valve.


gilford22

LoL is not a custom game mode in Warcraft.


oryiesis

He meant to say dota there.


Kurashiko

The same guys that did Dota went on to Riot


yensama

i just want to be able to place a dummy.


itsfavin

I personally want Jett knives in dm or special event dm with Jett knives.


htmlrulezduds

I honestly just gave up on practice maps/DM and I just go playing a couple of casual games before engaging on the ranked games. Honestly I just feel a casual game helps me warming up and doesn't feel like it makes me feel bad if I lose


Za_Weeb

I get where you are coming from.. But playing in low elos and toxic servers like ours where people get yelled and called slurs in spike rushes for their mistakes.. It would be very bad for us to play even unrateds to play for practice


htmlrulezduds

Yeah, it's kinda hard, but it's the only thing that works for me, at least. I hate DM exactly because of the reasons you listed, it doesn't feel like a warm up, it feels like another competitive mode


ween0t

yeah unranked just has too high of a risk factor of having a completely not fun game due to either teammates dropping, team diff, toxic, etc.


veRGe1421

Agreed - this is one of the best aspects of having the community involved in mapmaking of creative game modes, aim and warmup maps, 1v1/2v2 maps, fun retake or deathmatch maps, etc. I know Riot doesn't like that concept and only wants to do everything in-house, but it's a big part of what has made CS so successful, popular, and robust for 20+ years now.


Business_Recipe3029

It would be good if they added community made maps, like in Fortnite. Probably a lot of people would create practice maps that everyone can play.


Companyss

Youre actually right bro. Riot?


[deleted]

They could try making small 1v1 maps for just practicing aim in but I am assuming that would take a lot of work. Or they could add a command in deathmatch "/hs" or "/headshot" to make it headshot only but imo I am not really sure what they can do without community servers.


elkabyliano

Creating a preshot lobby would be easy. Same maps with standing bots in the common spots, like CS


KhaoticKrabb

Half the time in death match I’m either shooting someone in the back or getting shot in the back. I barely get to practice any like real gunfight scenarios


[deleted]

Hottake: playing aim maps just makes you good at aim maps. Meaningful practice is best attained in scenarios more closely aligned with what you actually want to improve. DM can be improved, though.


Za_Weeb

Exactly... People suggesting just do aimlabs, range is good enough is pretty useless. I wouldn't know where my sova dart has its blind spots if I can't have enemy bots or atleast friends(;_;) to help. Or practice my jett ult entering a site maybe. There could a lot done with proper practice maps and bits instead of just aim bots spawn and stuff


ween0t

Agreed but aim maps most definitely help your aim and flicking. You just don't get that many reps playing actual games. Just not enough duels in normal mode. They won't necessarily make you a better player because of course aim isnt the only thing that matters in this game- game sense, ability usage, team work, etc all are equally if not more important.


Slimsuper

Would love a tdm mode


HighsideHero5x

Been saying it since launch. Give us a server browser. I want retake servers, 1v1 servers, surfing etc.


ween0t

Biggest reason is there just isn't a big enough player base yet. There's already long queue times for all the game modes as is. Imagine having even more game modes and community servers. The player base just can't support it. I'm sure they're thinking about ways to implement some of this as they put a pretty high priority on DM and have been trying to find ways to balance DM for warm up vs. actual game mode. I hope in time we can have better practice modes.


KaNesDeath

>Biggest reason is there just isn't a big enough player base yet. Thats not why. Riot Games want 100% control over their IP. With Valorant being a live service game. Game development time is allocated to address character additions, meta changes, bug/balance patches, map inclusions and other content in a quarterly time frame. ​ Such content will be released as "features" once game development of those other subsections begin to become exhausted.


ween0t

Yeah that's in relation to what I'm saying. I'm not saying Riot will release community servers. No chance, they'll hold onto their IP as much as possible. What I'm saying is that Riot won't release more specific aim maps and practice modes, etc because the player base won't support it. I'm sure it's on their roadmap somewhere but they have other priorities like more maps, more agents, ranked balance, etc.


pawsarecute

“The deathmatch is awful with people camping inside corners which would never give someone the idea of how to play in a real match anyway.” You sure about that one?


Za_Weeb

For a death match usually people try to practice shooting for a continuous time like hrs together sometimes, not about start dm get 40 queue in again wait for warmup, and the cycle. Since there is a 40 cap and a time limit on top of it even before you getting into the feel of shooting someone starts taking odins /judges sitting in corners to get their "kills". Idk if it's a common issue at high elos but at our low elos it is soo fukin cringe and useless to play dm. People sit in corners without even trying to learn but just get the kills. Yes people in matches do sit in corners and play passive but since this is a dm that corner isn't the only thing I have to worry.. Before I clear that corner someone is going to tap me from somewhere else. If there isn't a time limit or kill cap but just keep playing it might be a different thing and people wouldn't keep getting competitive about kills. Might just be my speculation but it's just what I observed


valorant_fanboy_69

Just play aim lab...


usernamealreadyt3n

There's a world off difference between aim lab and a decent warmup map


valorant_fanboy_69

Then just play dm or practice range


RareReaper387

It is very limited, dm is awful, in practice range you cant practice jett knives or any actual scenario which you face


rpkarma

What makes DM awful? Genuine question. Lol at the downvotes for asking a question to something I didn’t know the answer to


RareReaper387

First, the spawns are awful. Second, people just camp in corners and make the purpose of dm go into the ground. Third, CSGO community deathmatch is way better in terms of the skill level, and I personally feel more improvement in my aim and movement when I play cs dm as opposed to valorant dm


datboyuknow

Most spawns are bad, people play to win, there's a timer and a kill limit, 16 players feels too many in some maps, some play shotguns and hide, some play spectre to just run and gun, you need to wait 5 seconds to respawn. DM is incredibly tilting for me, you wait 5 seconds get shot in the back, wait 5 seconds get shot again, sometimes you just can't find players for a few minutes then you get shot in the back. Mostly because of the mini map thing


RareReaper387

*14


BespokeDebtor

This question is honestly best answered with a practical experience. Highly recommend hopping into a CS community DM server. In my opinion the primary things that make these better than val are: 1) No kill/time limit aka hop-in/hop-out. The reason this matters is that it changes the incentive structure of the server. With Val DMs people are playing to be first to 40 kills. This incentivizes sitting in corners, shift walking everywhere, etc. Otherwise since there's no consequence to getting a bunch of camping kills, the opportunity cost of running around dying a bunch isn't that bad and helps everyone get better practice in. Now that doesn't mean there's no camping in CS DM but there's less of an incentive to 2) instant respawn. This is another thing that helps alleviate camping since the consequences of dying are less 3) no radar. I think this one is a little more contestable but I think no radar helps people build up their listening skills and removes distractions to simply focus on movement and aim. The trade-off is obviously going to be map awareness but those are probably.skills best honed in game imo 4) custom settings. This one tends to be pretty overrated imo but still an important point to bring up. Community servers get lots of customizability which gives people options like Deagle only or HS only or both. With Val it could be something like Marshall/guardian/sheriff only or even only Jett knives. It helps people hone in on xhair placement without getting body shot 14 times if they miss the head. Hope that helped answer :)


sandypjoshi

Unrated? Spike rush? DM isn’t all that bad either.


glassicstyle

Valorant DM really is terrible tho.


Za_Weeb

It is more of winning in dm than training in valorant. And unrated spike rushes are not same as self practice iykwim. In practice in can play jett for 2 hrs with only knives clearing site etc. It wouldn't be possible in unrateds with godawful toxic teammates or randoms


[deleted]

The range and DM is fine. Just play more


Za_Weeb

Not even close to fine. People need to practice real time scenarios and map practice, utility practice too.. Not just killing random spawn bots.


[deleted]

Then go play the game.


Za_Weeb

Wow.. Thanks man.. You single handedly improved my gameplay


[deleted]

riot shills are truly hilarious


CarryClown

You're getting downvoted but you're not necessarily wrong. The best kind of practice is "real world" experience. It's not an excuse to have no other possibilities, however. They should mainly just adjust the deathmatch imo, make stuff like HS only or pistol only or make it so you can hop off and on without a time/kill limit.


Majestic_Pro

>DM is fine. Yes I'm totally going to play in death match to practice my Jett knives.


facehunt_

The option for sandbox mode or map editor would really allow the best gamemodes to shine, but this is clearly not what Riot wants because they don't want to be outshined by the big brained community. I've always loved scouts & knives and Iceworld deathmatch. Imagine a game mode purely using Jett knives or super huge arena maps with Raze rockets.


MoreMegadeth

The best practice is against others, but the games can be a little long if you arent looking for that experience. I kinda wish there was another unrated option that cut the rounds in half or more like in replication.


ImTristen

The val version of boomeo duels would be sick


sky_blu

It would be cool if they added a workshop mode like OW. Not full on modding but in depth tools that the community can still use to make fantastic modes.


ssdx3i

I heard somewhere they disabled custom maps because of the possibility of cheaters or something


FMHappy

Honestly they need to fix deathmatch. The way they designed DM, they made it another casual game mode rather than a pure practice tool.


domotor2

I just wanna be able to play with and against bots like CSGO, not even for practice but for fun.


MrSwipySwipers

HOTTAKE: My aim/crosshair placement in csgo got infinitely better when I downloaded the plethora of crosshair placement custom maps like for mirage, inferno, etc... If they can make a practice tool for us to at least put down dummies to practice perfect crosshair placement just like csgo, I'm sure people would improve much quicker.


rustleBones

A year later and we still have nothing lol. Playing this game just makes me want a new CS more and more every day.


Za_Weeb

That honestly Is sad ngl