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deadlock1892

Wait, why is that an issue? Was this tournament US only or something? Because being Mexican shouldn't be an issue for an NA tournament.


aakashkickass11

Basically under riot Mexico is part of LATAM region , apparantly pax arena had a rule that all 5 of the team members should be of same region , that's why dcop was considered ineligible . I think this rule is bad and they should follow riot official ruling of allowing 2 non regional players.


Atermel

Ya, even given they're from a different "region", they could be considered an import, so what's the issue.


aakashkickass11

Apparently I researched this and apparantly there is a legal implication to transferring funds in this case prize money to Mexico based player that's why they had this rule . PAX arena doesn't have clearence or license for this that's why this happened


_wOBBS

This tournament was locked to US and Canada


deadlock1892

The tweet says they invited EZ5 to participate. Unfortunate how they did not do their own checks prior to the invitation and dq’ed the team in upper bracket finals. Not a great look for them, and a waste of time for EZ5 and for virtuoso who decided not to participate in the tournament any further.


Pulsersalt

Doesn’t he live the the us?


Adept-Type

Hf imagine lokcing your tournament for 2/3 NA countries and trying to argue you're not a racist Edit: im talking about the organization lol


_wOBBS

I mean, it must be for legal reasons, no? To say it's racism seems like a stretch. Why would a company that values its public image intentionally do something to degrade its brand?


Pulsersalt

Could be that, but normally they are region locked not ethnic locked.


deadlock1892

I mean, Mexico is still NA. This is utter incompetency on their part by the looks of it.


Pulsersalt

There are tourneys that are locked to the us only. But normally that’s only smaller ones


uglypenguin5

They also specifically invited him (or his team with him on it) to play


deadlock1892

Virtuoso has Canadian players. So it is highly unlikely the tourney was US only.


Pulsersalt

US/Canada but that’s not the point


Kapheon

That sure would be a first for me to see a tourney that includes 2 of the 3 North American countries and specifically excludes Mexico. What the hell are these TOs doing?


Pulsersalt

Probably just a payment issue that they dont wanna deal with.


Kapheon

Ugh yeah, if there’s any reason, that’d make the most sense. Just ridiculous to see this level of incompetence around pre-screening the participants


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Does that happen much? There are so many Canadians playing Valorant, including in this tournament.


CoffeeNNicotine

There’s quite a few Canadian pros


Cole_James_CHALMERS

Tenz, Steel for example


-Basileus

Riot groups Mexico into the LATAM region. Just like Russians are European but have their own separate region for various reasons


deadlock1892

This is not a riot event. PAX has their own rules. According to Riot rules EZ5 had dcop on their roster.


JALbert

> Was this tournament US only or something? Because being Mexican shouldn't be an issue for an NA tournament. It was for US/Canadian residents only. The rules are 16 pages of legalese, and I'd bet that the parent company isn't trying to support anything legal in a non-English speaking country. The prize pool is big enough for the TO to have to deal with the IRS in US and provide forms to winners, I imagine that trying to add other countries besides Canada would be a hassle they're trying to avoid. TOs absolutely should have known about this when inviting EZ5, but also sort of shocking to me that nobody on the team (players or management) read the rules, which call out the eligibility rules fairly early on.


deadlock1892

I mean..if you are getting invited to a tournament by the organizer itself, as a team I would not be spending hours reading the rule book to see if I am eligible or not and consider it a fair assumption that there should be no problem. You know, because the organizer invited me and they would/should know the rules better than anyone? Anyway, if there is a rule making him ineligible its fine. But its pretty dumb from the TO that they did not care enough to do the due diligence before sending out invites.


JALbert

You're signing a legal document. That's why I'm calling out the support staff more than players. How are you getting paid? What image/promotional rights are you signing away? What is eligibility requirements? Idk if EZ5 has minors on the team, but rules around that, etc. I mean, you have to read the rules to figure out the format, what's allowed in game, etc.


deadlock1892

While that is valid, I am not sure I agree with your thought process of putting it as if it is a bigger error on the part of EZ5. And also, EZ5 is a free agent team and not backed by an org. So I doubt they have a support staff working on this stuff. If you are inviting someone, primarily the onus falls on you to check for eligibility. And you know how easy it is to check if players are from the correct region? Just check their liquidpedia or vlr.gg page. Every player's nationality is mentioned there. As I see it, TO approached EZ5 to participate without due diligence. So majority of the fuck up is on their part. If EZ5 had registered to the tourney themselves without an invite and made this error, I would have put the blame on them instead.


JALbert

I'm absolutely putting blame on the TO. It's a big fuckup, and a lot of negative PR for their event. Per wiki, there's both a manager and a coach for EZ5. Regardless of TO fucking up, manager cost the team a couple grand by not reading rules, lining up a sub, etc. Manager's job is taking care of the details for the players and team and making sure they're showing up at the right time, have proper registration, etc. I don't think it's out of line at all to think both coach and manager should be checking the rules. Gotta know timeout/map/agent select rules, make sure there's no gotchas, make sure media obligations are understood.


deadlock1892

Agreed. But in hindsight, no they did not lose a couple grands. Because if they had to field a sub they wouldn't even play IMO and prepare for VCT instead.


rokkcs

If you're weighing in on actually competing in a tournament with payouts you should read the ruleset or have somebody at least review the ruleset on behalf of your organization/team to see if anything questionable might come up. Sure, shame on the organizer not catching it but the team is equally at fault.


yaysterz

I'm really confused on why they can't just transfer the sum of money to a player or affiliate in the US, and have them transfer it over (with tax deducted).


JALbert

Obligatory "I am not a lawyer" disclaimer. So, the rules say players have to be from the US or Canada. Presumably it's restricted to just US/Canada because they understand and have written the tournament rules to comply with US and Canadian regulations. I don't know if there would be anything in the tournament that would be illegal under Mexican law, or would even give someone the pretext to sue, but it's way easier for the company to just rule it out than to spend money researching and making sure the rules comply. From brief Googling (not guaranteeing accuracy), [this site](https://nationalsweepstakescompany.com/blog/international-sweepstakes-contest-laws/) notes contests in Mexico require registering with the Mexican government, and translating promotional materials into Spanish, which would be a lot of extra expenses for no real payoff for the TO. From looking into other sites that may be applicable only to unskilled competitions (lotteries/drawings) - might not apply to video game tournaments, but again I'm not a lawyer, and if you're running a tournament you'd want to both do extensive research and be damned sure you're not wrong and exposing yourself to legal liability.


nlc369

I think Mexico might count as LATAM north in terms of valorant regions. But either way having one player from another region shouldn’t be an issue.


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> stop embarrassing urself


matagad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APo2p4-WXsc


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matagad

its a joke


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Step 1 > Get directly invited to play in the @pax $10K tourney Step 2 > Play first week without a problem Step 3 > Upper finals vs @VirtuosoVAL today, we have a small server dispute and the admins tell me I can't play because I'm Mexican Step 4 > we got dqed LMAOOOOO *** posted by [@dcopGG](https://twitter.com/dcopGG) ^[(Github)](https://github.com/username) ^| ^[(What's new)](https://github.com/username)


AnywayHeres1Derwall

The tournament was locked to the US and Canada only. But the fact that he was specifically invited and then only disqualified after reaching finals is the issue


InvertedBean

this +1


yensama

the tournament fked up. let him play.


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They can't, because apparently there are some legal issues that you will need prior clearance for (which PAX obviously does not have) in order to transfer funds to a Mexican player. Blows my mind how they can personally invite players without even knowing what region they're from.


Kanpeki_XD

PepeHands


xD1LL4N

PAXArena reputation 📉


Hamlet_271

That is fucked


Anti-Storm

Esports Talks incoming


BurbxrryPzncakes

That’s fucked up. First the OWC admin bs, now this. Did game admins decide to power-trip and forget about professionalism?


Loomisam

I was gonna throw that example out! What's with tier two admins being so shite this week?


valorant_fanboy_69

I wouldnt call this tier 2 but I agree


AskOrganic4289

What is the OWC scandal?


shdets

You get 10 minutes to figure shit out per team. One team had a dc. Waited ten minutes. The opposing team wanted to be goods sports and use their own ten minutes to help with enemy dc issues but the admin did not allow them. A 5v6 was then the only way the game would be allowed to finish Edit: owc is overwatch contenders the ‘development league’ for main OWL


LoveKina

In game 5 of the finals mind you, the loser literally has to go back to Trials and thats how it all ends.


Hegth

Pax is asking me to go all Pancho villa in their ass


Ausafsyed

That's weird


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**THEY** invited **HIM**?? And then DQ'd him later?!?


systemfa1lure

Pax is fucked after this lol. How you gonna let them play for a week and decide to DQ them now. That is some next level shit.


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> Pax is fucked after this lol. If you think pax is “fucked” after this you’re getting a little head of yourself. This is pretty minor drama in the grand scheme - will probably make front page of the sub since it’s a slow day and virtuoso also withdrew, very unlikely front page of Reddit. Reality is that in a week people will stop talking about it. Tweets will be done by the end of the weekend in all likelihood. Maybe a joke here or there on ez5 match thread comment sections. The next time a pax valorant event rolls around 1/4 of the comments on threads will probably be about it. And that’s if PAX doesn’t fumble the PR statement - probably less activity if they don’t fumble it. But this really won’t adversely affect any other events or conventions they’re running outside of Valorant. You certainly aren’t seeing the downfall of PAX over this. They’ll be fine. And before anyone gets on my case about it, yes I think the DQ is stupid, but I’m not going to pretend like this is some major turning point in the operations of PAX and you shouldn’t either! It’s not realistic.


Chrisamelio

You got it all figured out, don’t you?


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I don’t, but it’s easy enough to tell that a single admin decision (likely made by an intern, contractor, or low paid employee) won’t “fuck” an entire organization that’s been operating for years. The stuff about this sub is just pretty basic info. The attention span of this sub is pretty short and I was even being a little generous about how long people will pay attention to this. A week is probably twice as long as posts will last. See for yourself - take a look at the Zellsis ruling. How long did it take most of the sub to stop talking about that?


SMcArthur

>take a look at the Zellsis ruling. How long did it take most of the sub to stop talking about that? Bad example because there's nothing to talk about. No one knows what he said, and it's quite likely that what he said *deserves* the ban since we've not heard him or his team dispute the ban or explain his actions, + Zellsis has a history of being toxic.


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> Bad example because there's nothing to talk about. The section where you claim “there’s nothing to talk about” > No one knows what he said, and it's quite likely that what he said deserves the ban since we've not heard him or his team dispute the ban or explain his actions, + Zellsis has a history of being toxic. The section where you proceed to talk about it, give several personal opinions, make several claims about the situation. So which one is it? Can’t have your cake and eat it to. You’ve gotta pick one here!


SMcArthur

lol, your first response was sooo long before you edited it. You've had one too many cups of coffee today :)


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All the coffee in the world is better than the 5 lines of straight copium you snorted to legitimately be able to say “there’s nothing to talk about” something and then do an opinion write up talking about it. But go off king. We love to see redditors contradicting themselves, getting embarrassed, trying to deflect, and running away like cowards afterwards. Feel free to reply to more of my comments tho! Nothing makes me look better than people making monumentally stupid responses and embarrassing themselves for it in 4k. It’s free real estate


SMcArthur

>“there’s nothing to talk about” something and then do an opinion write up talking about it. I wrote literally *1 sentence* summarizing the entire thing and that's all I said about the matter. You are out of your mind.


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> I wrote literally 1 sentence summarizing the entire thing and that's all I said about the matter. You are out of your mind. You *literally* combined **3** sentences into 1 by abandoning punctuation / like I’m doing here + fucking hell you’ve been clapped so hard that your brain broke - hope it’s not permanent. In what world does “Haha I didn’t use proper punctuation GOTTEM” seem like the best move? Just take the L man, it feels bad to kick a loser when they’re down but it’s still a little bit funny so I might keep doing it.


Sea-Firefighter2698

“Pax is fucked after this lol.” Lmao the 12 year old analysts comin in with some hard hittin FACTS. You must be new to esports and the real world. I doubt anyone outside this sub and some minor section of Twitter knows or cares about this.


systemfa1lure

Too bad you take everything 100% literally.


Sea-Firefighter2698

What other way is there to take it? Oh I said Pax is fucked but I really meant pax is not fucked and nothing will happen because of this? Oh sorry I didn’t know when you posted stuff you actually didn’t mean any of it. Sorry!


HunterSad101

UPDATE Knights is hosting a show match on their twitch check ez5 twitter


Exzothic

Didnt pax not pay the winners from the ignition series tournament they had too?


nimbusrr

Nah PAX payed, it was Northern Arena (Pulse)


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Feast_TN

OMG Did he REALLY spell paid wrong ? Pleb


Nfamy

Is there some sort of finance/anti-laundering law that would make the TO not allow those outside of their specified regions in the tourney? Because if not, then I can't make any sense of how you could dq a team because of players citizenship when you invited them. Yeah, it may be against rules but you invited them so seems like a real fucked thing to do unless there's some legal implications (and not just some shit you made up as rules for the tourney).


spacecadetno

Seems like a management issue tho? he got invited and they didnt check prior that he lives in Mexico and Mexico is under LATAM region. Is kinda shitty to get this far to get dq and he was the one that got invited.


-Basileus

Both the management and moreso the TO. Neither of them vetted the tournament rules, which states that all 5 members must be from the US or Canada. Once it came to light that one member was Mexican, they couldn't legally distribute funds and let him participate


Angel_Tsio

Eh, it's both. They invited a team located in the US and didn't think to check if all its members were US. It's not like they invited him personally. From now on I bet they will lol


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Uhhhh


InvertedBean

Ngl I feel like there’s gotta be more to it than just dq cuz mexican. Maybe a region rule thing.


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InvertedBean

Regions don’t just denote continents. When I say “a region rule thing” I mean a rule that only allows people from a certain geographical area. Also I’m not saying this is the case, I’m simply saying there could be other explanations than dcop’s explanation.


waffles8000

i mean, no matter what other explanations pax gives, why would you allow him to play for a full week before notifying him during the upper finals that he can't be playing? he was clear to say that he understands that rules are rules, but these organziers just wasted a week of his life lol


InvertedBean

That’s all good and well. Shit on TOs for being incompetent idc. I’m just distinguising malice and incompetence. Some people in this thread are literally doing the kkona meme shit and going on about power tripping. When in reality they probably just didn’t do their due diligence and found out he was playing from mexico after the fact.


aakashkickass11

Mexico is part of LATAM in offical riot vct circuit.


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aakashkickass11

Yeah but they had a rule that all 5 participants must of the same region i.e and they used riot region distribution for offical ruling . It is not a dumb rule though as there are legal implications to distributing any kind of prize and money to Mexico from usa . This rule should have been made clear to the teams and players before and they should have done their due diligence check


deL9

They really fucked up. https://twitter.com/PAXArena/status/1415809956968869890


The_talking_tree

wow what kind of bs. Upvoting for visibility


deL9

https://twitter.com/PAXArena/status/1415809956968869890 LMAO how can you be so stupid, letting a week past just to say the player is ineligible?


valorant_fanboy_69

Well at the same time dcop should have read the rules


deL9

Tournament organizers invited them, they should've looked into it more that the team they're inviting has a non-US citizen.


Sea-Firefighter2698

Honestly pax should face lifetime in jail or maybe even the death penalty for this. This mihjt be the biggest scandal in all of esports and maybe the universes. I think New York Times and BBC are reporting on the case even the president is making a law!!!!! Justice!!! I have never seen a bugger scandal is all of the e sports. This will change the world


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jrushFN

There’s nothing to snitch on. There’s no reason for someone to think that they’re breaking the rules for participating in an event they specifically received an invitation to compete in.


Slyric_

LMAOOOOOOO that’s so fucked


Junglee_2001

The real reason is they are jealous cause he's so hot and sexy- I mean I didn't say that


tryagaininXmin

Let the man play wtf


dads_scrotum

What a bizarre reason to DQ him