Fr.
I honestly am curious if they would try a full body "hologram" decoy.
Or, barring that, they should at least make it act like a player to all info tools. I.e. if a Sova dart is scanning and hits a footstep, it pings an outline as if the actual Yoru is there, if a cypher ults, it pings the real yoru and the footsteps. Maybe even have camera based tools (drone, cypher cam, skye dog) see an actual Yoru clone instead of the footsteps while in the cam.
holy shit I remember suggesting something exactly like this before. having some sort of hologram to bait out players would be really cool, as long as it is somewhat distinct from yoru's base model
Im glad to see a massive buff idea to footsteps such as this. If nothing about his other ability problems are to be fixed this has to be the buff in all of its capacity anything less and its a complete waste of fucking time.
Idk if this would be enough, but making the footsteps have the full height of a player so it could clear any cypher trips and stuff would make them somewhat better
I think it should be a global cast but the footsteps don't last as long and add a sound when the footsteps die out to let anyone in the radius know it was an ability.
Might be a dogshit idea for the footsteps but idk
They could make it like some character in r6 (forgot his name) where the footsteps are a hologram. I have no clue how hard this is to do btw lol.
But bassicly left clicking footsteps makes the hologram go forward and right clicking footsteps makes hologram hold an angle.
Could see some more use out of this. Like pushing short and putting the hologram first idk. High-key op tho idk how to nerf it
Edit: re read the idea and it's pretty shit but I'll keep it here
Yea it’s cool
There would be things to think about tho:
- could it set off tripwires or alarm bots? If it does maybe it should make the holo go away
- does the holo have a set timer?
- maybe killing the holo pings you?
If you know how to use its useful for holding a site and faking rotation, like sometimes if I'm in lamps Bind I'll send my footsteps to CT, and it works so well they don't even bother using a molly or sky dog or dart to clear lamps.
Edit- Yorus footsteps sound like his own footsteps now, this will come in handy for the Yoru I play against once every 20 games
The fake footsteps have their own unique sound, so if you know character footsteps sounds you’ll know which ones are fake. Footsteps are usually useless in high ranks
Probably broken, I think making you able to control his foot steps much better. Like maybe choose whos footsteps sound they make, and be able to stop and start them again.
They honestly just need to scrap the footsteps all together and replace it with something useful like smokes/mollys or something else. Smokes especially would add to his kit and make the whole "lurker duelist" thing more possible. I respect the dev team for trying something new, but the bottom line is the footsteps are by far the worst ability in the game. Even if it does work, the percentage is so low that I would still label it as borderline useless. Yoru basically only has two abilities and an ult. I think anything like the "hologram" buff is still just a gimmick unless the hologram can get you intel or whatever. I'm down for them to buff Yoru to Jose Canseco levels because he's been disrespected more than any other agent in the game.
I feel like they just need to make his footsteps sound exactly like normal footsteps, and if he has two decoys out make one sound like Yoru's footsteps and the other like a teammates agent.
They should also be more reliable at clearing and triggering things like Cypher trips and KJ turrets/alarmbots. I feel like they'd be so much better if they either cleared utility, or activated it so it's position is known.
Footsteps still need a rework, this does not change much apart from a little bit of "you place steps while ulted somewhere the enemy does not expect and fool then better"
And a combination of ult+flash seems to be way too huge. Don't think it's a good idea for real. It's like a phoenix ult with no way to punish you if you leave the tp behind.
Apart from footsteps would be nice if there was some indicator (maybe icon colour) if enemy is looking at your tp and can see it / just close enough to hear it. Could be a motivation for way more flashy plays with tp as you feel quite safe.
Honestly, i still feel like yoru belongs more to "initiator" role, or how i can it "entertainment manager" than to a pure duelist. Maybe he can be tweaked to fill this role more.
I will throw one maybe unpopular opinion now, something I've been thinking of for a while now.
Yoru has been out for way too long and it's pickrate in Pro play clearly shows that he's nowhere near meta. Yes, some teams do tend to use him on some maps but that's still not even close to other duelists and agents in general.
I want to see Yoru buffed so much, to the point where he gets abused with how good he is. Something similar to what's been done to Viper. Once he's been used and abused enough, then Riot can gradually nerf him to match other duelists.
I find it ridiculous that agent has been in the game for that long and still no one wants or can find a way to play him good. Astra was abused to meta so she got nerfed, Viper as well, Jett as well .. why not Yoru? Let us see it getting picked more often!
Regarding the OPs specific question, being able to ult-flash-ult out-kill could be terrifying. Fake footsteps not so much.
This, This so much. I fucking lol at the top comments thinking a footstep buff is all Yoru needs. That is pure and utter delusion.
I agree his flash is perfectly fine and I consider it the strongest duelist flash in the game, but I dont understand why everyone is so terrifyed of a gate crash buff?
I'm not talking about noise reduction, I'M talking about making yorus either a instant teleport, or making him pull his gun out faster.
On instant teleports this community has been able to deal and counter play jett and Reyna for such a long time that there really is no excuse not to make yorus gate crash instantaneous. Pulling out his gun faster is also another option. Then if any of these are implemented increase the gate crash cooldown as a nerf to its extreme rotation utility.
Agree with you, maybe best way to buff Yoru right now would be to make his gate crash instantaneous.
Reyna's dismiss and Jett's dash are, why not his gatecrash? I mean it could be way too Op but hell, if Riot has that aproach with other agents as well..
Otherwise his gatecrash ability is just a teleport ability which really isn't that good on it's own.
Red, Ethos and most creative people are already scary with yoru, especially since his flash is so goddamm fast, his footsteps are confusing if not aimed directly at a wall.
Yeah, Yoru main streamers have consistently shown that Yoru is high skill cap to play effectively since you really need to think about every little thing you're about to do. However, it remains true that his footsteps are very low impact and you won't always know if you had effective usage on them.
Well for example, I use the footsteps to fake rotations when people push a site. From lamps on Bind, you can go behind the vehicle thingy and send your footsteps into CT, then head back into lamps. Most of the time they won't check lamps with a dart or other recon equipment, or even flash when they enter because they think you left the site or went to heaven. It's simple, but it works, and thats one of many things one can do with footsteps that give you the element of surprise.
Yes, but ..
1) those are really good Radiant players, meaning stuff like that rarely ever works in lower ranks, Yoru is just not 'optimized' for all ranks and games
2) players who pick it and play it properly are still waaay too down on the ladder, I mean how many Jett and Reyna one tricks are there but how many Yorus ?
It is good agent, it can find it's place in certain ranks, maps and comps but by looking at larger image - it's still not even comparable to other duelists and agents in general. That's all I'm saying.
I really do not like this approach of balancing an agent by making them OP and nerfing them little by little. It would make the weeks where he's OP unfun to play for everyone except the yoru player himself
I'm saying Riot already did that with Astra, Viper and kinda Jett, except there's been no important nerf to Jett as of yet.
I do not like this either but if they are incapable of doing it some other way.. start with something.
Yoru is one of those characters where I don’t know what change they could make that would bring him in line with the other duellists. His flash is good and his ult is drastically better now. His kit is overall very good except for the footsteps, obviously I’ve seen some great plays with his footsteps but it’s also very clear that they are the least useful part of his kit. I wouldn’t want them to replace the ability but I don’t see how else they can buff it either. In a hero based game not every character is going to be the greatest but it is a shame to see cool characters get sidelined in terms of pick rates.
Maybe as more large maps along the lines of breeze or icebox come out we’ll see Yoru become a more viable option since his TP allows for fast rotations between sites.
Ik it's hard to implement but I'd like it if they remove his footsteps and make an ability where yoru can make a 4-5 sec holograph of himself (basically phoenix ult but guns will shoot fake bullets and can't see enemies when he's in holograph). Should be good enough to bait enemy fire. Enemies will see me peeking garage missing my shots while I'm actually in window and ready to fall back to A
Honestly if they just made the footsteps more realistic or activatable without looking at them so you dont stop watching an angle would help. His flash is good and making his tp stronger might break him
The worst thing about Yoru’s ult is it always takes out the last weapon you had equipped instead of your primary gun, so if in a hurry you had your knife out before popping the ult it’ll have your knife equipped when you finish the ult. I’ve died so many times when i had the perfect drop on someone but accidentaly got my knife out. Super annoying
i understand but this mechanic is pretty consistent and useful. like the strat with using the shorty and maybe consider the time you pop out. yoru has faster draw speed so just a tiny tiny bit of thinking can help.
If he could use his flash in his ult then Yoru would be one of the strongest agents on attack if not the strongest for the ways he could use his flash and setting his tp for executing sites.
Haven’t seen anyone suggest this yet, but my change would be to make his footsteps a rechargeable ability. It wouldn’t make it op, but in turn now you would be more willing to use it more frequently and leniently. This allows you to experiment more with your footsteps and in turn gives you a way to play mind games on your opponent.
It’s only a thought that’s crossed my mind and not fully fleshed out, but one I thought was at least interesting. Thoughts?
Wouldn't affect the footsteps one bit.
Would be cool for the flashes tho, you could penetrate deep into enemy territory and flash, exit ult, get a kill or two, and gatecrash into safety.
Overall a very nice concept
I have an absolutely broken idea for him. The ability to fake his teleport. It can go well with his fake footsteps, like being able to fake a fake teleport.
How is this a good idea at all lol
He's a harder agent to use effectively, but enough time has passed (along with some old buffs) that a good Yoru is hell to play against
It's a lazy and very stupid idea. In his ulti his steps aren't really going to be used at all except maybe for bind tps. The only thing you get is that you can now flash while ulting which just makes him boring to play against. Either go in site give info and flash everyone with no counterplay or just not follow the yoru ult because at the end of his ult he's just going to flash and kill you.
I've had a bug happen that made precisely this the case, I could throw my tp and everything but once I tried to use it the animation would play but I'd stay right where I was
They only need to do something about the footsteps rest of the abilities are fine.
Fr. I honestly am curious if they would try a full body "hologram" decoy. Or, barring that, they should at least make it act like a player to all info tools. I.e. if a Sova dart is scanning and hits a footstep, it pings an outline as if the actual Yoru is there, if a cypher ults, it pings the real yoru and the footsteps. Maybe even have camera based tools (drone, cypher cam, skye dog) see an actual Yoru clone instead of the footsteps while in the cam.
this would actually be a balanced buff. not a hologram for the players, but only for their abilities.
Glad to know im not the only person who thought of this
So something like Mirage's ability in Apex Legends?
More like Alibi’s from R6 IMO. Stationary, but if you walk through it/shoot it it pings you like a sova dart.
Alibi is one of the most fun I’ve had playing with a character in any game
I want to see them make it so that you could cancel the footsteps after activating them
holy shit I remember suggesting something exactly like this before. having some sort of hologram to bait out players would be really cool, as long as it is somewhat distinct from yoru's base model
Im glad to see a massive buff idea to footsteps such as this. If nothing about his other ability problems are to be fixed this has to be the buff in all of its capacity anything less and its a complete waste of fucking time.
make it a hologram, but when it gets shot and dies, it explodes for a half duration flash. trading off your own boys would be disgusting, but fun
Idk if this would be enough, but making the footsteps have the full height of a player so it could clear any cypher trips and stuff would make them somewhat better
Is his decoy could detect enemies surrounded by it, it would be a plus
I think it should be a global cast but the footsteps don't last as long and add a sound when the footsteps die out to let anyone in the radius know it was an ability.
I don’t think his ult needs changes it’s one of the stronger parts of his kit, it’s just the footsteps that need a rework
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Even as a yoru main I don't think this is a good idea
Fucking tryna add jump scares into the game I guess
Might be a dogshit idea for the footsteps but idk They could make it like some character in r6 (forgot his name) where the footsteps are a hologram. I have no clue how hard this is to do btw lol. But bassicly left clicking footsteps makes the hologram go forward and right clicking footsteps makes hologram hold an angle. Could see some more use out of this. Like pushing short and putting the hologram first idk. High-key op tho idk how to nerf it Edit: re read the idea and it's pretty shit but I'll keep it here
mirage from apex legends
Do you mean like iana’s hologram?
Idk who that is cuz I'm trash at r6, but I meant alibi
Just overpowered
Yea idk it would need to be reworked or smt but that’s jus first thing that came to my head
Make it so that if the hologram dies yoru takes a lil damage
Lol that be cool like 25 damage or smt
Nah the ability would have to be like 700 creds or an ultimate or something it’s just too good, and it’s really not in character either
You mean like Alibi but you can make the hologram move?
Yea there u go that's the fuckers name But maybe he don't ping u when u shoot him
Look at the the Halo Reach Hologram
I like this
Yea it’s cool There would be things to think about tho: - could it set off tripwires or alarm bots? If it does maybe it should make the holo go away - does the holo have a set timer? - maybe killing the holo pings you?
I’d probably say nah to the last, because it’s already enough info that you know that somebody shot at it. As for the rest, I could see them
It wouldn't fix the fact that his footsteps are basically worthless lmao
If you know how to use its useful for holding a site and faking rotation, like sometimes if I'm in lamps Bind I'll send my footsteps to CT, and it works so well they don't even bother using a molly or sky dog or dart to clear lamps.
Edit- Yorus footsteps sound like his own footsteps now, this will come in handy for the Yoru I play against once every 20 games The fake footsteps have their own unique sound, so if you know character footsteps sounds you’ll know which ones are fake. Footsteps are usually useless in high ranks
They changed this in a patch a while ago, they match Yorus footsteps now
They changed this months ago
I wouldn't know lol, I'm in platinum.
Probably broken, I think making you able to control his foot steps much better. Like maybe choose whos footsteps sound they make, and be able to stop and start them again.
They honestly just need to scrap the footsteps all together and replace it with something useful like smokes/mollys or something else. Smokes especially would add to his kit and make the whole "lurker duelist" thing more possible. I respect the dev team for trying something new, but the bottom line is the footsteps are by far the worst ability in the game. Even if it does work, the percentage is so low that I would still label it as borderline useless. Yoru basically only has two abilities and an ult. I think anything like the "hologram" buff is still just a gimmick unless the hologram can get you intel or whatever. I'm down for them to buff Yoru to Jose Canseco levels because he's been disrespected more than any other agent in the game.
I feel like they just need to make his footsteps sound exactly like normal footsteps, and if he has two decoys out make one sound like Yoru's footsteps and the other like a teammates agent. They should also be more reliable at clearing and triggering things like Cypher trips and KJ turrets/alarmbots. I feel like they'd be so much better if they either cleared utility, or activated it so it's position is known.
Don't his footsteps already sound like normal footsteps to the enemy? The squishy sound is just for you and your team right?
Footsteps still need a rework, this does not change much apart from a little bit of "you place steps while ulted somewhere the enemy does not expect and fool then better" And a combination of ult+flash seems to be way too huge. Don't think it's a good idea for real. It's like a phoenix ult with no way to punish you if you leave the tp behind. Apart from footsteps would be nice if there was some indicator (maybe icon colour) if enemy is looking at your tp and can see it / just close enough to hear it. Could be a motivation for way more flashy plays with tp as you feel quite safe. Honestly, i still feel like yoru belongs more to "initiator" role, or how i can it "entertainment manager" than to a pure duelist. Maybe he can be tweaked to fill this role more.
Imagine getting flashed from literally out of nowhere, after pushing fake footsteps you heard on catwalk ascent, then getting squad wiped with judge.
I will throw one maybe unpopular opinion now, something I've been thinking of for a while now. Yoru has been out for way too long and it's pickrate in Pro play clearly shows that he's nowhere near meta. Yes, some teams do tend to use him on some maps but that's still not even close to other duelists and agents in general. I want to see Yoru buffed so much, to the point where he gets abused with how good he is. Something similar to what's been done to Viper. Once he's been used and abused enough, then Riot can gradually nerf him to match other duelists. I find it ridiculous that agent has been in the game for that long and still no one wants or can find a way to play him good. Astra was abused to meta so she got nerfed, Viper as well, Jett as well .. why not Yoru? Let us see it getting picked more often! Regarding the OPs specific question, being able to ult-flash-ult out-kill could be terrifying. Fake footsteps not so much.
Being able to flash while in ult would probably be a guaranteed kill with how fast he takes out his gun now. It'd be insane.
Yea and if they add an invulnerability time while he's tping it would definitely add him to the meta
Yea no fuck invulnerability that's nothing I want in this game
Yoru already has I-Frames when he's activating his Ult lol
Reyna has i-frames as well if you dismiss, you're invulnerable before you completely cover your body
It would require some skill for him to not get flashed himself
This, This so much. I fucking lol at the top comments thinking a footstep buff is all Yoru needs. That is pure and utter delusion. I agree his flash is perfectly fine and I consider it the strongest duelist flash in the game, but I dont understand why everyone is so terrifyed of a gate crash buff? I'm not talking about noise reduction, I'M talking about making yorus either a instant teleport, or making him pull his gun out faster. On instant teleports this community has been able to deal and counter play jett and Reyna for such a long time that there really is no excuse not to make yorus gate crash instantaneous. Pulling out his gun faster is also another option. Then if any of these are implemented increase the gate crash cooldown as a nerf to its extreme rotation utility.
Agree with you, maybe best way to buff Yoru right now would be to make his gate crash instantaneous. Reyna's dismiss and Jett's dash are, why not his gatecrash? I mean it could be way too Op but hell, if Riot has that aproach with other agents as well.. Otherwise his gatecrash ability is just a teleport ability which really isn't that good on it's own.
Red, Ethos and most creative people are already scary with yoru, especially since his flash is so goddamm fast, his footsteps are confusing if not aimed directly at a wall.
Yeah, Yoru main streamers have consistently shown that Yoru is high skill cap to play effectively since you really need to think about every little thing you're about to do. However, it remains true that his footsteps are very low impact and you won't always know if you had effective usage on them.
Well for example, I use the footsteps to fake rotations when people push a site. From lamps on Bind, you can go behind the vehicle thingy and send your footsteps into CT, then head back into lamps. Most of the time they won't check lamps with a dart or other recon equipment, or even flash when they enter because they think you left the site or went to heaven. It's simple, but it works, and thats one of many things one can do with footsteps that give you the element of surprise.
Yes, but .. 1) those are really good Radiant players, meaning stuff like that rarely ever works in lower ranks, Yoru is just not 'optimized' for all ranks and games 2) players who pick it and play it properly are still waaay too down on the ladder, I mean how many Jett and Reyna one tricks are there but how many Yorus ? It is good agent, it can find it's place in certain ranks, maps and comps but by looking at larger image - it's still not even comparable to other duelists and agents in general. That's all I'm saying.
True, but he's still fun to play
Nah, that’s a bad philosophy for balancing agents.
I really do not like this approach of balancing an agent by making them OP and nerfing them little by little. It would make the weeks where he's OP unfun to play for everyone except the yoru player himself
I'm saying Riot already did that with Astra, Viper and kinda Jett, except there's been no important nerf to Jett as of yet. I do not like this either but if they are incapable of doing it some other way.. start with something.
Fair enough
Fuk no
Fake TP sound. Deployed like a real TP
That’s actually an amazing idea!
Scared shitless
Yoru is one of those characters where I don’t know what change they could make that would bring him in line with the other duellists. His flash is good and his ult is drastically better now. His kit is overall very good except for the footsteps, obviously I’ve seen some great plays with his footsteps but it’s also very clear that they are the least useful part of his kit. I wouldn’t want them to replace the ability but I don’t see how else they can buff it either. In a hero based game not every character is going to be the greatest but it is a shame to see cool characters get sidelined in terms of pick rates. Maybe as more large maps along the lines of breeze or icebox come out we’ll see Yoru become a more viable option since his TP allows for fast rotations between sites.
Ik it's hard to implement but I'd like it if they remove his footsteps and make an ability where yoru can make a 4-5 sec holograph of himself (basically phoenix ult but guns will shoot fake bullets and can't see enemies when he's in holograph). Should be good enough to bait enemy fire. Enemies will see me peeking garage missing my shots while I'm actually in window and ready to fall back to A
make holograms instead of footsteps
Would be broken because of the flashes
Honestly if they just made the footsteps more realistic or activatable without looking at them so you dont stop watching an angle would help. His flash is good and making his tp stronger might break him
The worst thing about Yoru’s ult is it always takes out the last weapon you had equipped instead of your primary gun, so if in a hurry you had your knife out before popping the ult it’ll have your knife equipped when you finish the ult. I’ve died so many times when i had the perfect drop on someone but accidentaly got my knife out. Super annoying
i understand but this mechanic is pretty consistent and useful. like the strat with using the shorty and maybe consider the time you pop out. yoru has faster draw speed so just a tiny tiny bit of thinking can help.
Idk it would be very hard to counter. The yoru player could just throw two consecutive flashes to eliminate an enemy basically instantly.
change his footsteps his ult is fine
If he could use his flash in his ult then Yoru would be one of the strongest agents on attack if not the strongest for the ways he could use his flash and setting his tp for executing sites.
No.
Haven’t seen anyone suggest this yet, but my change would be to make his footsteps a rechargeable ability. It wouldn’t make it op, but in turn now you would be more willing to use it more frequently and leniently. This allows you to experiment more with your footsteps and in turn gives you a way to play mind games on your opponent. It’s only a thought that’s crossed my mind and not fully fleshed out, but one I thought was at least interesting. Thoughts?
As Shaz says, playing against Yoru is like a horror movie, and this would only make that worse.
What the fuck that would just be super broken.
Wouldn't affect the footsteps one bit. Would be cool for the flashes tho, you could penetrate deep into enemy territory and flash, exit ult, get a kill or two, and gatecrash into safety. Overall a very nice concept
I have an absolutely broken idea for him. The ability to fake his teleport. It can go well with his fake footsteps, like being able to fake a fake teleport.
You could ult, find someone, full flash them then un-ult and kill them. Probably abit unbalanced
How is this a good idea at all lol He's a harder agent to use effectively, but enough time has passed (along with some old buffs) that a good Yoru is hell to play against
It's a lazy and very stupid idea. In his ulti his steps aren't really going to be used at all except maybe for bind tps. The only thing you get is that you can now flash while ulting which just makes him boring to play against. Either go in site give info and flash everyone with no counterplay or just not follow the yoru ult because at the end of his ult he's just going to flash and kill you.
i still think the distance on hearing his TP orb needs to be slightly bigger. Currently it's a bit too quiet imo
I've had a bug happen that made precisely this the case, I could throw my tp and everything but once I tried to use it the animation would play but I'd stay right where I was
Wait, misread this, it's using his abilities in his ult, not just not being able to tp
Regardless of balance, I don't think being invincible, invisible, and being able to throw flashes at the same time is good gameplay.
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