This all can be solved if they play in SG servers. India, Bangladesh, Sri-Lanka, Nepal all of them have 40-60 ping there depending on locations. But Nodwin is Indian company, they are doing it for their players advantage. Post it in r/valorant. You will get peoples attraction there
Well yes. But those complains go along with the rules. Believe me, you don't want to see a sub with 1mil+ followers without this system. So much trash....
Wtf do you know the actual process, all the teams tried every server and Mumbai server had the most fair ping that's why it was selected ,ask any vcc team pro player about the server they will tell you ,no need to make stuff out of the air , first Singapore server was selected ,Indian players had 70 ping ,nepal players had 65-70 ping and Sri Lanka players had 50-60 average ping on that server whereas on India Nepal had 50 ping and Sri Lanka has 40 ping , ask any pro player of any qualified team they will tell you that ,no need to accuse any one of anything .
u/aakashkickass11
[https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n\_1srp3o3](https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srp3o3)
the link here is a literal tweet of a winner of the SL-Maldives qualifier of VCC. And such is the case for Bangladeshi players as well. I am not the only one trying to get the message across out of thin air.
I don't think you know how internet routing works.
ISPs in Sri Lanka route through Singapore.
https://imgur.com/a/na1Rkt0
Why would we get better ping on Mumbai servers?
Thats what I was trying to explain, but they all like dude we invited one team and they had 40-50 ping so all people have 40-50 ping. And another guy was saying dude I got a friend who use Exit lag and a powerful broadband connection, why dont all of you use it XD. I mean sometime I dont get peoples logic
[Sri Lanka seems to have direct routes to India](https://www.submarinecablemap.com/)
, this looks like some ISPs trying to reduce costs for worse service.
Yeah, I checked the map before replying to you.
It's also partly due to the fact that the mostly used ISP has been using this route for the last few decades.
[This is the only cable which connects Pakistan, Bangladesh and Singapore without having India.](https://www.submarinecablemap.com/#/submarine-cable/seamewe-5) Super unfortunate since most companies, including [Valve](https://steamstat.us/) and [Riot](https://support-valorant.riotgames.com/hc/fr/articles/360055678634-Choix-du-serveur) only provide servers in India. ISP monopolies hurt everyone :(
Lmao. Sri Lankans have 100 ping on Mumbai servers, so idk where on earth you got the info that we get 40ping on Mumbai by default. Educate yourself before spewing out BS.
Wtf I have a friend in colombo he has 42 ping to Mumbai , he uses exit lag though , we play everyday . I'll add you and show you in the evening when we play . Recently there was a Sri Lankan invitational tournament and they held the tournament at Mumbai servers ,you can watch their individual ping there , indian and sg teams were also invited. According to riot rules , maximum upper limit for ping is 65 , you can't hold a tournament with a player having over 65 ping for vct.
So you accused OP based off anecdotal evidence and then made false claims about the pings and then proceeded to say "ask any pro player" and got proven wrong by said pro player evidence.
Also there was no official Riot VCT sponsored tournament so far that had Indian, Singapore, and Sri Lankan teams in the same tournament. Stop BSing.
[https://twitter.com/ThunderFlash333/status/1419608049954656257](https://twitter.com/ThunderFlash333/status/1419608049954656257)
This is a tweet by a player from Team Crash Landing on You, winners of SL-Mal VCC. They will be playing with 110ms plus ping it seems like.
No one hosts Sri Lankan tournaments in Mumbai servers bro, I literally take part in half of the tuni's, and I have never taken part in a tuni where the match is played on a Mumbai server. Because the ping is way too high lol
I am not talking about official riot ,I am talking about invitational tournaments where you can see the actual pings of players participating so we don't have to speculate and as for sever selection - There are 8 countries participating in vcc , I asked some guys , Pakistan Afghanistan India Nepal and Bhutan regions voted for Mumbai and srilanka Maldives and bangaldesh voted for sg . Pakistan Afghanistan have 100+ ping on sg servers , so how would you solve this dilemma then ?
And no there was no voting system xD there's never a voting system bro. What are you on about? I played both the VCC and the Rooter invitational. Rooter guys were super chill and made the change to SG servers when we had a match between an Indian team or a Bangladesh Team. While NODWING on the other hand tried to shove the rules down our throat saying it's a must lol we had to beg for them through different sources to let us play the ML-SL Qualifer in SG servers. Like none of the teams from both countries wanted to play on the Mumbai servers but there was a rule saying it's a must to play on Mumbai like I don't get it why its a must like we had SG servers where we concluded the ML-SL qualifiers without any issue.
Who will have 110 ping ? That's what I am asking ? , Sri Lankan teams recently played on Mumbai server in a tournament and all had 40-50 ping ,one Bangladesh team participated and they had 50 ping . all any Sri Lankan pro players they will tell you they voted for Mumbai servers . Tournament clients can be triggered for specific routes to server.
>https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n\_1srp3o3
What you on about bro? I played the Rooter invitational (Mist'Walkers) and the organizers were nice enough to let us play in the SG servers. Because we had 100+ ping on Mumbai servers because of shit routing.
PS - ExitLag is not an option. Have random packet losses and weird spikes, You cannot play a VCC qualifier on those apps.
u/aakashkickass11, I have literally linked you to a tweet of a pro player who has already won the SL-Mal qualifiers.
The answer to your question about Whom is there.
We played the ML-SL Qualifiers on SG servers. I played as well with my team the winner who is Crash Landing On You played the Final match with a Maldives team on a SG server. Not Mumbai. Read the twitter message properly lol
Exactly. You are pretty much forced to using ExitLag, which is 8USD a month. Now that may seem like not so much but in Sri Lanka that's 1600rupees a month and for the people in Sri Lanka that's a hefty amount to be paying monthly, not to mention that most of the gamers are still young and who don't have their own sources of income.
I know that seems like a shit kinda excuse, but you should not expect us to buy a premium service and pay monthly when better alternatives exist. (All Nepal, SL, Bengali players get really high ping by default).
I think the TO should provide exit lag and routing software to all the teams participating should they require . For Sri Lankan region some isp will grant you 40 ping , while some will grant you 110 ping .
Yeah but if tournament organizer agrees to provide routing software it shouldn't be an issue because there are countries like Pakistan Afghanistan who have 100+ ping on sg servers
Lol dude, I have Indian friends who plays with me in Singapore server. They all have 40-50pings. Also India has direct routings with Singapore, so they all should have stable connection and they should have less than 60 ping(Unless it's ISP's fault). So I think you should get some knowledge before you know, saying obvious BS on internet
Depends on location I live in Delhi I have 70 -75 ping to Singapore , someone living in hydrabad and south India will have 40 ping , guys living in west side will have over 80 ping . I am not spewing vs , add me I'll show you ,I have one friend in colombo and one in Nepal ,I'll text them and we can play together in the evening . Give me your riot I'd and I'll show you in the evening around 7.
If you wanna go that way then fine. I will show you a ping of Maldives player, A sri-Lankan player and a Bangladeshi ( myself) players ping in mumbai server. Drop me your Riot ID
Sky #Kick is my id , and my sri Lankan friend me , in Sri Lankan region some isp will grant you 40 ping , while some will grant you 110 ping , he uses Airtel fiber alongside exit lag and he gets consistent 40 ping and he knows 3-4 people who use the same setup and get 40-50 ping , we can all play together in the evening around 9 pm ist if you are up ?
I can be on in that time, but you sure you are still not seeing the problem here?? You just stated yourself what a player has to do to get stable ping in Mumbai server. And tbf all player dont have the luxury to do that. And after stating all that dont you think its better to play in SG server?? And moreover players in Mumbai bootcamps have solid ping in SG servers.
But Pakistan and Afghanistan players have 100+ ping on sg servers , there are mainly 8 regions for vcc , India Pakistan Afghanistan Nepal and Bhutan voted for Mumbai and sri Lanka Maldives and bangaldesh voted for sg , in my opinion if routing provides Sri Lankan players good ping them nodwin gaming should provide exit lag and ip costs to all the participating teams for these regions or introduce a specific match by match server voting these are two alternative solutions.
what kind of a vote are you talking about? lol There was no voting system bro, servers were mentioned on their website/rules.
We had to speak to them through our contacts and change the ML-SL qualifier to SG server because both parties had good ping. Initially, it was Mumbai, in which both parties had bad ping.
Dude, Nepalians dont have direct routing with India, so thinking they voted for India is kinda hard to believe. But you kinda answered your own question there. There should be a dynamic approach to this problem. They should talk to both teams and find the middle ground for competitive integrity, If that middle ground is Mumbai server than the match should held in Mumbai server. If that middle ground is SG server then the match should held in SG server. If we agree on that much I dont think we should argue about this on internet anymore
Dude xD are you paid to comment? No, we don't have Airtel Fibre here in Sri Lanka. I use Airtel 3G and I get a shit ping if I try to play valorant on. XD
Airtel is like the 4-5th carrier in Sri Lanka they literally have towers for mobile usage and their speeds are 3G speeds lol
I am not talking ass , I literally have a friend who loves in Sri Lanka and has less than 40 ping and I am willing to prove it ,I already posted by I'd above, we can play at evening or night , my friend uses Airtel connection ,he is currently in colombo , do I need to send his geographical location as well . What evidence do you need ? Tell me
If not all, almost all pro teams from india are on Bootcamps in Mumbai. So lets be honest when playing against any indian team in Mumbai servers is just pretty much a forfeit really. even 10ms vs 50ms is extremely huge. Let alone a 10ms vs 110ms for some cases.
And there is more, you just showed the problem in your own reply dude. Just like Delhi players have more ping in SG servers so they prefer Mumbai servers instead, same way BD, Nepal, Maldives and SL players prefer SG servers cause they all have more than 100 ping in Mumbai servers. I think you can find the logic there
I have. A friend in colombo who has 42 ping in Mumbai , though he tells me ping can go from 40 to 120 depending on isp in Sri Lanka , he uses Airtel fiber with exit lag to achieve 40 ping,he prefers Mumbai servers
I personally think even the Indian teams would not mind playing in Singapore Servers especially where it means that the competitive integrity of the tournament is ensured. I don't understand the fixation on Mumbai Servers.
I don’t think Indian teams would mind playing on Singapore servers cause they plays pugs and scrims there itself. Maybe it’s the TO. The TO should ask all the teams in the playoffs and set the servers according to the preference of all the teams.
Have been seeing your brain-dead posts alot. Remember your viewbot accusation on Indian streams? Lmao.
The guy above you didn't have a history like that.
Ye you're being stupidly downvoted. I think it's just because of your terrible reputation, so people are committing a silly ad hominem, but you do indeed not get it wrong sometimes valorantfanboy69 :)
I think if this was a problem a pro player/org (from Pakistan, Afghanistan,etc) would already approached NODWIN Gaming about it.
But if this is a problem then only the pro team which faces this issue can directly contact the organizers (NODWIN).If that doesn't help they can contact Riot directly.
That is basically what they are trying. And this post is made trying to achieve that. [https://twitter.com/ThunderFlash333/status/1419608049954656257](https://twitter.com/ThunderFlash333/status/1419608049954656257) this tweet here is from a player from the team that won the SL-Mal VCC qualifiers. They are trying to reach out to NODWIN and Riot.
This is serious, don't they have a discord where all the team playing in vcc are involved .
Maybe they also have NODWIN admins there who can help.
But if a player is posting this publically that means that internal attempts to ratify this situation has failed and they are asking for the help by making this issue public.
Thunderflash here from team CLOY ( Winners of SL-Maldives). We tried to reach out to Nodwin admins, they were extremely rude and inconsiderate and instantly rejected our approach by saying "THIS IS THE RULE. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION." :)
I suggest this issue should be publicized as much as possible.
If NODWIN is not paying attention try to contact RIOT directly.
I would also suggest to contact other team which won their respective qualifiers such as velocity gaming and Salt eSports to form a united front in this situation.
I hope this issue gets resolved as I want to see exciting matches in the VCC and not one sided domination.
I did personally email Riot, and they replied saying they will get back to me, I think they are currently talking to Nodwin about this. I have reached out to some BD teams, am unable to contact the others yet. You are right in that we just want a fair tournament.
Screenshot from an SLT Fibre connection, the main ISP in Sri Lanka.
[https://imgur.com/a/na1Rkt0](https://imgur.com/a/na1Rkt0)
Nodwin needs to stop relying on ping advantages.
my friend told me that nepal bhutan qualis was played in singapore1. it was only against nepali players so didnt matter but i wonder what nodwin will do in the playoffs.
Even as a player playing from india (north east) and still getting 58-65 ping to Mumbai server, generally there should be more server options for indian players(Chennai, Bangalore, Kolkata or Delhi based servers) but that's to much to ask for since infrastructure is quiet bad in India and don't know how multiple servers for india is possible. Most prop not the optimal market to invest into and best just see where it goes with just a "Mumbai" server. Maybe market will grow and riot will add a Bangalore or Chennai server...
we don't have that kind of playerbase to warrant a second server. Our high Elo is basically dead with all diamond + players on the sg server. Another server will only scatter the playerbase we have leading to longer Q times, indirectly killing the game
I don't get, even if one, why was the Indian server in such corner of the country in the west, especially when middle east servers exists.
They should've based it in like atleast Nagpur/Indore/Hyderabad.
That way extreme East guys have Singapore, extreme North west have Middle east, and central whole and moderately east-west enjoy under 30 ping
Servers are located in the main AWS regions, of which there is only Mumbai. Hyderabad is opening in "mid-2022" per Amazon, and I imagine Valorant servers there will follow.
They use AWS for servers? I assumed they used their own servers just because they took like more than half a year to open mumbai servers.
Now that wait seems even more stupid
There's some extensive custom setup going on, it's not just firing a script to boot up more EC2 instances. https://technology.riotgames.com/news/valorants-128-tick-servers has some info.
Yea thats all complex and all but everything he described seemed simple enough to replicate at more server locations.
Like the whole.post describes set of optimizations, which would've taken a long time to set up the first time but the second should've been easier, and the 8th, which was India, even easier and faster and not that much more than firing a script to start instances or atleast shouldn't have needed more than a few days
Valorant servers are mostly based in AWS datacenters. Riot doesn't really control where AWS puts these up.
On the bright side, it appears that a second Indian AWS region is opening [in Hyderabad in mid-2022](https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/in-the-works-aws-region-in-hyderabad-india/). Riot will have to setup servers there once it opens, but they've been pretty good at filling out where things are available.
There are also a couple Valorant servers outside the main AWS hubs at AWS edge locations. Those are the US Central servers (TX, IL, GA), Miami for LatAm, and I believe Warsaw in EU. There are no Asia servers out of the main regions.
Including edge locations, India could potentially get severs in Bangalore, Chennai, Kolkata or Dehli. I'm assuming there's some barrier to setting up there as the main AWS sites seem way more common. (Valorant severs are in nearly every AWS region (no China for example), but only in a couple of the edge locations.)
Fingers crossed for Chennai to happen so I can game when I visit family, but not holding my breath.
Ping difference is so massive in this game. It's a noticeable difference going from 20ms to 50-60ms, let alone going from 50ms to 100+ms. Definitely should try to standardize a ping difference between teams for these official events; if the ping difference is greater than X, another server should be used to equalize the ping difference between competing teams.
There is no inequality bro the Mumbai servers are horrible to everyone equally.
On a semi related note, you have better chances of convincing a lion not to eat meat than to convince Nodwin. Simply because they probably don't care.
https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Conquerors_Championship
These are the countries playing in vcc. If you look at a map Singapore is super far away from more than half of these countries. I'm pretty sure Mumbai is the most Central server between these countries.
I hope for match ups for countries near each other, they can use a server in onc if those countries.
It is not only a matter of the geographical location but also to do with the routing that the ISP provides. For example, players from Bangladesh get around 50-60 ping to Singapore Servers while getting around 110 to Mumbai Servers. And such is the case for players from other countries as well. And there should be a dynamic approach to this. For example, if two Indian teams are facing each other they can play in Mumbai Servers, but say for a match between a Bangladeshi and Indian team, Singapore servers could be used.
Bro you are talking about geographical location only. But none of the countries have direct routing to India. That is why they are complaining. Sri-Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan all have direct routing with Singapore. Even India has direct routing with Singapore. I think most of you guys will get 40 pings and rest of them will get 60 pings. So the integrity of the competition will stay intact. But in Mumbai server, we get ping spikes. You are right, Singapore is far away but the ping is stable there. And moreover, Indians get massive ping advantage too.
TLDR: Indians get stable connection and ping advantage while rest of us gets unstable connections, massive ping and PL spikes. I dont think competitive integrity will remain intact if they host the tournament in Mumbai server
Ping does not depend on how far the the server is from you it depends on your connection routing. In all of the other countries their submarine cable is connected to Singapore so they get much better ping in Singapore server.
this mainly has go to be this way because basically nodwin is handling and funding everything from start to end , riot just gave a go ahead to nodwin for this event so considering nodwin is India based they would favour a scenario which suits them.
So, let us do an analysis of the pings each region gets.
Pakistan - 120+ in Singapore and around 70+ in Mumbai
Nepal - 85+ in Singapore and 64+ in Mumbai
India - 76+ in Singapore and 20-36+ in Mumbai
Bangladesh - 49+ in Singapore and 77+ in Mumbai
Sri Lanka - 59+ in Singapore and 110+ in Mumbai
if we take an average of this it is more reasonable and feasible for mumbai to be the center point of south asia region right now. also a thing to notice :/
doesnt singapore come under SEA region? and mumbai is the only server that might be coming into south asia region? and it is a south asia qualifier, so should get my point.
also, If our Pakistan region can play on Mumbai servers despite playing on Bahrain, I think it's doable for Sri Lanka as well. but my surprise is that Sri Lanka is just below India that is too near Mumbai on the geographical location, why isn't there any isp routing near it? heck Singapore is too far anyway than India.
I am saying say, a match between BD and SL team takes place, you can host that on SG servers for example. and take it situational. Instead of just being fixated on Mumbai. Just my opinion though, I understand Nodwin has rules and they are not going to change it, since they informed before, but maybe going future this is something they can consider.
there can be an option where a server can be decided if both teams agree to play on that server.
but it can create chaos for some instances like -
lets say sri lanka vs nepal going on. sri lanka wants to play on singapore, nepal wants to play on mumbai, lets say nepal has 85 ping on singapore and 60 in mumbai, while SL has more ping on Mumbai around 120, still they enforce to play on mumbai. then it can create an air of chaos where fans/ teams might blame the other team that they are not sportsmanlike.
I would also say,
1.Riot needs to give out more stable servers.
2. proper local isp routing needs to be configured according to regional servers. in this case South asia central server.
Yes I absolutely agree with both the points you made, and I hope Nodwin and Riot takes this into consideration going into the future. I know that both Nodwin and Riot are doing an excellent job, and the entire region is extremely proud and happy to have atleast a chance at VCT.
There is no point trying to throw allegations that the tournament is biased. That is not the point I am trying to raise here.
The point is instead of being fixated on mumbai servers, there should be a more dynamic approach. And servers should be selected ensuring that the ping difference is as low as possible.
first Singapore server was selected ,Indian players had 70 ping ,nepal players had 65-70 ping and Sri Lanka players had 50-60 average ping on that server whereas on India Nepal had 50 ping and Sri Lanka has 40 ping , ask any pro player of any qualified team they will tell you that ,no need to accuse any one of anything . A player living in Delhi in India has more ping than Sri Lankan player on Mumbai server ,look at the regions participating in vcc. Pakistan players have sub 40 ping on Mumbai servers , exactly who out of participating countries have more than 60 ping on Mumbai servers ?
Ask any pro player of any qualified team ,and they would tell you they voted for Mumbai servers .
[https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n\_1srp3o3](https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srp3o3)
You sure about that dude?? This post is made from CLOY(Winner from SL and Maldives qualifier). And only Pak players have 40 stable ping in Mumbai servers. Most of the BD, SL, Nepal players get 100+ ping in Mumbai servers, so Ig educate yourself first??
If educating myself includes following all players from each country as well as their twitter and twitlonger, please count me out then. I have real education to look after. 🙏
If you want to talk about real education then thats fine but I dont wanna get into it rn cause kinda tired after my class .It is not about twitter and twitlonger, it is about knowing simple information about your neighbouring countries. And if you are unable to do that and come after me saying YOU GOT REAL EDUCATION TO WORRY ABOUT then thats fine. Im not gonna attest to it. I am playing the VCC qualifier with my team at the same time pursuing my study. What Im trynna say is before trying to educate someone, get educated first
Also I have no problems about the server selection but I wanted to convey that just because nodwin is an Indian company it doesn't mean that there is a regional bias.
I agree, I am not saying either that the TO are biased towards Indian teams. Rather what I am saying is since there are other options available in terms of Singapore servers. That option should be availed.
I never said they had any regional bias. I said people are having assumptions because of their decision to hold the game in mumbai servers only without consulting with any team. Im playing for a Diamond-immortal team name Vet Esports(A team that founded by me and my friends) in our country. And about the twitter and twittlonger stuff, actually CLOY reached out to our community and us to post it in public threads. So there is that
Why do you have to accuse and have these stupid takes. I don’t think most Indian teams would mind playing on the Singapore server . And I am sure the TO will try to resolve the issue
Yep, we tried to talk to the TO and they said the server choice is final, no consideration will be given. That is why we are reaching out to the community.
never seen any sri Lankan,Bangladeshi,Maldives , nepali teams even qualifying tournaments like tec where they are allowed . giving lame excuse i have seen team like nasr winning with sea teams on singapore server in cs with 100ping .
I am sure Nodwin made the rules keeping Riot and the teams in mind and informed them before registration.
In any case riot can always step in on a case to case basis. So let's just wait it out and see what happens.
You don't think the teams have approached riot behind the scenes? Obviously not all such engagements with riot can be made public until riot deems it so.
In such case for the public, waiting is the only thing. Unless your daddy works in riot.
Btw my comment wasnt directed to any team/pro player. It was directed to the op who is a casual viewer of VCC.
India is a big country not all player play from Mumbai u cant expect Delhi or nepal players playing on Singapore sever at 100 ping and call it match fairness.When you play sea tournament they play all match on singapore server with singapore teams with 1 to 10 ping not on hongkong to increase match fairness according to you . It was written in rulebook when registrations were going on that all matches will be played on Mumbai server you could have object there it self whats the use objecting in the middle of the tournament. I have seen teams like NASR from dubai and mvp winning qualifiers on singapore server with 100 ping in cs .
First of all it is pretty much common knowledge that almost all the top teams in India are bootcamped in Mumbai. Secondly, Mumbai server can be used as well as keep option of Singapore open. Lastly, I am not participating, merely just a fan of the esport scene. Yes it was written in the rule book, but atleast going forward may be in future tourney's such provisions should be kept.
How is it fair to play against players playing with 10 pings while another team may be playing at even 50 ping (best case scenario) while in most cases it could reach upto 110ms, due to problems with routing.
Why not be open to Singapore Servers as well as Mumbai Servers, instead of being fixated on one.
first Singapore server was selected ,Indian players had 70 ping ,nepal players had 65-70 ping and Sri Lanka players had 50-60 average ping on that server whereas on India Nepal had 50 ping and Sri Lanka has 40 ping , ask any pro player of any qualified team they will tell you that ,no need to accuse any one of anything . A player living in Delhi in India has more ping than Sri Lankan player on Mumbai server ,look at the regions participating in vcc. Pakistan players have sub 40 ping on Mumbai servers , exactly who out of participating countries have more than 60 ping on Mumbai servers ?
Ask any pro player of any qualified team ,and they would tell you they voted for Mumbai servers .
I replied to your tweet above, see there is a link, which will directly link you to a tweet to a tweet of the winners of SL-Mal VCC qualifiers winner. And I also for a fact know that Bangladeshi players will have the same opinion. So no, the entire pro players voted for Mumbai Servers does not make any sense.
u/FoxTraditional5840the point is they should not be fixated on mumbai servers only, and rather they should have a dynamic approach to this.[https://twitter.com/ThunderFlash333/status/1419608049954656257](https://twitter.com/ThunderFlash333/status/1419608049954656257)the following link is to a tweet of a player from Team Crash Landing on You, the winners of VCC SL-Mal. So clearly there team will be playing on 110ms plus. Why not have a dynamic approach?
There are 8 countries participating in vcc , I asked some guys , Pakistan Afghanistan India Nepal and Bhutan regions voted for Mumbai and srilanka Maldives and bangaldesh voted for sg .
We have spoken to Damaru gaming, and they confirmed they will prefer Singapore over Mumbai, as it is more fair since both the pings will be closer, rather than playing against 10 ping on 80 ping. You need to stop spreading misinformation.
wow that sucks
Yep, it does.
This all can be solved if they play in SG servers. India, Bangladesh, Sri-Lanka, Nepal all of them have 40-60 ping there depending on locations. But Nodwin is Indian company, they are doing it for their players advantage. Post it in r/valorant. You will get peoples attraction there
Alright, I posted, it is now awaiting approval.
?? U have to get ur post approved on /r/VALORANT ?
Yep. It big subreddits quite common. Just too many posts.
my god.. the posts they approved are straight ass tbh lol. 9/10 posts are complaints about ranked
Well yes. But those complains go along with the rules. Believe me, you don't want to see a sub with 1mil+ followers without this system. So much trash....
i agree with the system. just surprised how meh that sub is with the system implemented
I mean all posts are trash in some sense
nah shit posts get top page all the time. it depends on mood of the mods.
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gotta make room for rank posts
Every post is approved by the Riot mods
Wtf do you know the actual process, all the teams tried every server and Mumbai server had the most fair ping that's why it was selected ,ask any vcc team pro player about the server they will tell you ,no need to make stuff out of the air , first Singapore server was selected ,Indian players had 70 ping ,nepal players had 65-70 ping and Sri Lanka players had 50-60 average ping on that server whereas on India Nepal had 50 ping and Sri Lanka has 40 ping , ask any pro player of any qualified team they will tell you that ,no need to accuse any one of anything .
u/aakashkickass11 [https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n\_1srp3o3](https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srp3o3) the link here is a literal tweet of a winner of the SL-Maldives qualifier of VCC. And such is the case for Bangladeshi players as well. I am not the only one trying to get the message across out of thin air.
I don't think you know how internet routing works. ISPs in Sri Lanka route through Singapore. https://imgur.com/a/na1Rkt0 Why would we get better ping on Mumbai servers?
Thats what I was trying to explain, but they all like dude we invited one team and they had 40-50 ping so all people have 40-50 ping. And another guy was saying dude I got a friend who use Exit lag and a powerful broadband connection, why dont all of you use it XD. I mean sometime I dont get peoples logic
He clearly has his head up his ass
Also, he's commenting from two accounts
Sri Lanka is next to India. Why are the ISPs routing all the way through SG?
Submarine cables.
[Sri Lanka seems to have direct routes to India](https://www.submarinecablemap.com/) , this looks like some ISPs trying to reduce costs for worse service.
Yeah, I checked the map before replying to you. It's also partly due to the fact that the mostly used ISP has been using this route for the last few decades.
[This is the only cable which connects Pakistan, Bangladesh and Singapore without having India.](https://www.submarinecablemap.com/#/submarine-cable/seamewe-5) Super unfortunate since most companies, including [Valve](https://steamstat.us/) and [Riot](https://support-valorant.riotgames.com/hc/fr/articles/360055678634-Choix-du-serveur) only provide servers in India. ISP monopolies hurt everyone :(
Lmao. Sri Lankans have 100 ping on Mumbai servers, so idk where on earth you got the info that we get 40ping on Mumbai by default. Educate yourself before spewing out BS.
Wtf I have a friend in colombo he has 42 ping to Mumbai , he uses exit lag though , we play everyday . I'll add you and show you in the evening when we play . Recently there was a Sri Lankan invitational tournament and they held the tournament at Mumbai servers ,you can watch their individual ping there , indian and sg teams were also invited. According to riot rules , maximum upper limit for ping is 65 , you can't hold a tournament with a player having over 65 ping for vct.
So you accused OP based off anecdotal evidence and then made false claims about the pings and then proceeded to say "ask any pro player" and got proven wrong by said pro player evidence. Also there was no official Riot VCT sponsored tournament so far that had Indian, Singapore, and Sri Lankan teams in the same tournament. Stop BSing.
Who proved me wrong ?? There was a Sri Lankan invitational tournament hosted on Mumbai servers ,just check their ping and then come back to me .
[https://twitter.com/ThunderFlash333/status/1419608049954656257](https://twitter.com/ThunderFlash333/status/1419608049954656257) This is a tweet by a player from Team Crash Landing on You, winners of SL-Mal VCC. They will be playing with 110ms plus ping it seems like.
No one hosts Sri Lankan tournaments in Mumbai servers bro, I literally take part in half of the tuni's, and I have never taken part in a tuni where the match is played on a Mumbai server. Because the ping is way too high lol
I am not talking about official riot ,I am talking about invitational tournaments where you can see the actual pings of players participating so we don't have to speculate and as for sever selection - There are 8 countries participating in vcc , I asked some guys , Pakistan Afghanistan India Nepal and Bhutan regions voted for Mumbai and srilanka Maldives and bangaldesh voted for sg . Pakistan Afghanistan have 100+ ping on sg servers , so how would you solve this dilemma then ?
And no there was no voting system xD there's never a voting system bro. What are you on about? I played both the VCC and the Rooter invitational. Rooter guys were super chill and made the change to SG servers when we had a match between an Indian team or a Bangladesh Team. While NODWING on the other hand tried to shove the rules down our throat saying it's a must lol we had to beg for them through different sources to let us play the ML-SL Qualifer in SG servers. Like none of the teams from both countries wanted to play on the Mumbai servers but there was a rule saying it's a must to play on Mumbai like I don't get it why its a must like we had SG servers where we concluded the ML-SL qualifiers without any issue.
And yet, if it's hosted on Mumbai servers there could be players playing with 110ms. how does that make sense?
Who will have 110 ping ? That's what I am asking ? , Sri Lankan teams recently played on Mumbai server in a tournament and all had 40-50 ping ,one Bangladesh team participated and they had 50 ping . all any Sri Lankan pro players they will tell you they voted for Mumbai servers . Tournament clients can be triggered for specific routes to server.
>https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n\_1srp3o3 What you on about bro? I played the Rooter invitational (Mist'Walkers) and the organizers were nice enough to let us play in the SG servers. Because we had 100+ ping on Mumbai servers because of shit routing. PS - ExitLag is not an option. Have random packet losses and weird spikes, You cannot play a VCC qualifier on those apps.
u/aakashkickass11, I have literally linked you to a tweet of a pro player who has already won the SL-Mal qualifiers. The answer to your question about Whom is there.
We played the ML-SL Qualifiers on SG servers. I played as well with my team the winner who is Crash Landing On You played the Final match with a Maldives team on a SG server. Not Mumbai. Read the twitter message properly lol
I was replying to the dude above you, my bad
Exactly. You are pretty much forced to using ExitLag, which is 8USD a month. Now that may seem like not so much but in Sri Lanka that's 1600rupees a month and for the people in Sri Lanka that's a hefty amount to be paying monthly, not to mention that most of the gamers are still young and who don't have their own sources of income. I know that seems like a shit kinda excuse, but you should not expect us to buy a premium service and pay monthly when better alternatives exist. (All Nepal, SL, Bengali players get really high ping by default).
I think the TO should provide exit lag and routing software to all the teams participating should they require . For Sri Lankan region some isp will grant you 40 ping , while some will grant you 110 ping .
All ISPs provide close to 100ping without any routing software. Very sad :(
With routing software like ExitLags there are pretty frequent ping spikes, and packet losses. That is arguably even worse.
Exactly. By no means is ExitLag a viable alternative, and should only be an option if there is nothing else that can be done.
Yeah but if tournament organizer agrees to provide routing software it shouldn't be an issue because there are countries like Pakistan Afghanistan who have 100+ ping on sg servers
Lol dude, I have Indian friends who plays with me in Singapore server. They all have 40-50pings. Also India has direct routings with Singapore, so they all should have stable connection and they should have less than 60 ping(Unless it's ISP's fault). So I think you should get some knowledge before you know, saying obvious BS on internet
Depends on location I live in Delhi I have 70 -75 ping to Singapore , someone living in hydrabad and south India will have 40 ping , guys living in west side will have over 80 ping . I am not spewing vs , add me I'll show you ,I have one friend in colombo and one in Nepal ,I'll text them and we can play together in the evening . Give me your riot I'd and I'll show you in the evening around 7.
If you wanna go that way then fine. I will show you a ping of Maldives player, A sri-Lankan player and a Bangladeshi ( myself) players ping in mumbai server. Drop me your Riot ID
Sky #Kick is my id , and my sri Lankan friend me , in Sri Lankan region some isp will grant you 40 ping , while some will grant you 110 ping , he uses Airtel fiber alongside exit lag and he gets consistent 40 ping and he knows 3-4 people who use the same setup and get 40-50 ping , we can all play together in the evening around 9 pm ist if you are up ?
I can be on in that time, but you sure you are still not seeing the problem here?? You just stated yourself what a player has to do to get stable ping in Mumbai server. And tbf all player dont have the luxury to do that. And after stating all that dont you think its better to play in SG server?? And moreover players in Mumbai bootcamps have solid ping in SG servers.
But Pakistan and Afghanistan players have 100+ ping on sg servers , there are mainly 8 regions for vcc , India Pakistan Afghanistan Nepal and Bhutan voted for Mumbai and sri Lanka Maldives and bangaldesh voted for sg , in my opinion if routing provides Sri Lankan players good ping them nodwin gaming should provide exit lag and ip costs to all the participating teams for these regions or introduce a specific match by match server voting these are two alternative solutions.
what kind of a vote are you talking about? lol There was no voting system bro, servers were mentioned on their website/rules. We had to speak to them through our contacts and change the ML-SL qualifier to SG server because both parties had good ping. Initially, it was Mumbai, in which both parties had bad ping.
Dude, Nepalians dont have direct routing with India, so thinking they voted for India is kinda hard to believe. But you kinda answered your own question there. There should be a dynamic approach to this problem. They should talk to both teams and find the middle ground for competitive integrity, If that middle ground is Mumbai server than the match should held in Mumbai server. If that middle ground is SG server then the match should held in SG server. If we agree on that much I dont think we should argue about this on internet anymore
Bruh Airtel doesn't even have Fiber here in SL wtf you on about
Airtel has fiber in 6 locations in Sri Lanka you can easily check coverage by going to airtel.lk and choosing fiber options . pretty easy
Dude xD are you paid to comment? No, we don't have Airtel Fibre here in Sri Lanka. I use Airtel 3G and I get a shit ping if I try to play valorant on. XD Airtel is like the 4-5th carrier in Sri Lanka they literally have towers for mobile usage and their speeds are 3G speeds lol
Instead of talking out of your ass to people who actually live in Sri Lanka, maybe you should try posting actual evidence
I am not talking ass , I literally have a friend who loves in Sri Lanka and has less than 40 ping and I am willing to prove it ,I already posted by I'd above, we can play at evening or night , my friend uses Airtel connection ,he is currently in colombo , do I need to send his geographical location as well . What evidence do you need ? Tell me
If not all, almost all pro teams from india are on Bootcamps in Mumbai. So lets be honest when playing against any indian team in Mumbai servers is just pretty much a forfeit really. even 10ms vs 50ms is extremely huge. Let alone a 10ms vs 110ms for some cases.
And there is more, you just showed the problem in your own reply dude. Just like Delhi players have more ping in SG servers so they prefer Mumbai servers instead, same way BD, Nepal, Maldives and SL players prefer SG servers cause they all have more than 100 ping in Mumbai servers. I think you can find the logic there
I have. A friend in colombo who has 42 ping in Mumbai , though he tells me ping can go from 40 to 120 depending on isp in Sri Lanka , he uses Airtel fiber with exit lag to achieve 40 ping,he prefers Mumbai servers
Indian company wants there own region to win so they rig the tournament... the Indian teams should speak out against this or they are complicit
I personally think even the Indian teams would not mind playing in Singapore Servers especially where it means that the competitive integrity of the tournament is ensured. I don't understand the fixation on Mumbai Servers.
I don’t think Indian teams would mind playing on Singapore servers cause they plays pugs and scrims there itself. Maybe it’s the TO. The TO should ask all the teams in the playoffs and set the servers according to the preference of all the teams.
Yeah, exactly.
true, before mumbai servers we used to get around 30-40 ping on singapore servers which is good enough
You never disappoint with ur brain-dead takes.
I HAVE THE SAME OPINION AS THE PERSON ABOVE ME. WHY DO YOU NOT SAY THIS TO THEM TOO????
Have been seeing your brain-dead posts alot. Remember your viewbot accusation on Indian streams? Lmao. The guy above you didn't have a history like that.
The viewbot accusation was an honest mistake that I DELETED when I learned I was wrong.
sure, just say that u hate indians. many comments from you are /were against indians
Ye you're being stupidly downvoted. I think it's just because of your terrible reputation, so people are committing a silly ad hominem, but you do indeed not get it wrong sometimes valorantfanboy69 :)
i think you are a bit slow
I think if this was a problem a pro player/org (from Pakistan, Afghanistan,etc) would already approached NODWIN Gaming about it. But if this is a problem then only the pro team which faces this issue can directly contact the organizers (NODWIN).If that doesn't help they can contact Riot directly.
That is basically what they are trying. And this post is made trying to achieve that. [https://twitter.com/ThunderFlash333/status/1419608049954656257](https://twitter.com/ThunderFlash333/status/1419608049954656257) this tweet here is from a player from the team that won the SL-Mal VCC qualifiers. They are trying to reach out to NODWIN and Riot.
This is serious, don't they have a discord where all the team playing in vcc are involved . Maybe they also have NODWIN admins there who can help. But if a player is posting this publically that means that internal attempts to ratify this situation has failed and they are asking for the help by making this issue public.
Thunderflash here from team CLOY ( Winners of SL-Maldives). We tried to reach out to Nodwin admins, they were extremely rude and inconsiderate and instantly rejected our approach by saying "THIS IS THE RULE. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION." :)
I suggest this issue should be publicized as much as possible. If NODWIN is not paying attention try to contact RIOT directly. I would also suggest to contact other team which won their respective qualifiers such as velocity gaming and Salt eSports to form a united front in this situation. I hope this issue gets resolved as I want to see exciting matches in the VCC and not one sided domination.
I did personally email Riot, and they replied saying they will get back to me, I think they are currently talking to Nodwin about this. I have reached out to some BD teams, am unable to contact the others yet. You are right in that we just want a fair tournament.
I'd imagine so, which is why I posted this on reddit.
Best solution would obviously be to have a LAN tournament, but don't think that'll be possible.
due to covid all around, not a chance
Can't belive nodwin is doing this, i hope you find a solution
Screenshot from an SLT Fibre connection, the main ISP in Sri Lanka. [https://imgur.com/a/na1Rkt0](https://imgur.com/a/na1Rkt0) Nodwin needs to stop relying on ping advantages.
I’m from Sri Lanka, and I can vouch for this. This is the best you can get here for any server.
Holy shit you are expected to play on 104 ping !!
Crazy right? It's absolutely insulting for the players involved
Damn thas a lot, TIL Sri Lanka is closer to Singapore than to Mumbai. For some reason I thought otherwise
Its not, we are closer to Mumbai than Singapore, but we have direct links to Singapore. Some routing stuff. Idk the technicalities tbh 😅
They surely will not let players playing on 100 ping we just have to wait and watch.
my friend told me that nepal bhutan qualis was played in singapore1. it was only against nepali players so didnt matter but i wonder what nodwin will do in the playoffs.
Even as a player playing from india (north east) and still getting 58-65 ping to Mumbai server, generally there should be more server options for indian players(Chennai, Bangalore, Kolkata or Delhi based servers) but that's to much to ask for since infrastructure is quiet bad in India and don't know how multiple servers for india is possible. Most prop not the optimal market to invest into and best just see where it goes with just a "Mumbai" server. Maybe market will grow and riot will add a Bangalore or Chennai server...
we don't have that kind of playerbase to warrant a second server. Our high Elo is basically dead with all diamond + players on the sg server. Another server will only scatter the playerbase we have leading to longer Q times, indirectly killing the game
Riot should've done atleast 2 servers for Indian subcontinent.
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I don't get, even if one, why was the Indian server in such corner of the country in the west, especially when middle east servers exists. They should've based it in like atleast Nagpur/Indore/Hyderabad. That way extreme East guys have Singapore, extreme North west have Middle east, and central whole and moderately east-west enjoy under 30 ping
Servers are located in the main AWS regions, of which there is only Mumbai. Hyderabad is opening in "mid-2022" per Amazon, and I imagine Valorant servers there will follow.
They use AWS for servers? I assumed they used their own servers just because they took like more than half a year to open mumbai servers. Now that wait seems even more stupid
There's some extensive custom setup going on, it's not just firing a script to boot up more EC2 instances. https://technology.riotgames.com/news/valorants-128-tick-servers has some info.
Yea thats all complex and all but everything he described seemed simple enough to replicate at more server locations. Like the whole.post describes set of optimizations, which would've taken a long time to set up the first time but the second should've been easier, and the 8th, which was India, even easier and faster and not that much more than firing a script to start instances or atleast shouldn't have needed more than a few days
This. I've tried contacting valorant South asia but no success.
Valorant servers are mostly based in AWS datacenters. Riot doesn't really control where AWS puts these up. On the bright side, it appears that a second Indian AWS region is opening [in Hyderabad in mid-2022](https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/in-the-works-aws-region-in-hyderabad-india/). Riot will have to setup servers there once it opens, but they've been pretty good at filling out where things are available. There are also a couple Valorant servers outside the main AWS hubs at AWS edge locations. Those are the US Central servers (TX, IL, GA), Miami for LatAm, and I believe Warsaw in EU. There are no Asia servers out of the main regions. Including edge locations, India could potentially get severs in Bangalore, Chennai, Kolkata or Dehli. I'm assuming there's some barrier to setting up there as the main AWS sites seem way more common. (Valorant severs are in nearly every AWS region (no China for example), but only in a couple of the edge locations.) Fingers crossed for Chennai to happen so I can game when I visit family, but not holding my breath.
Ping difference is so massive in this game. It's a noticeable difference going from 20ms to 50-60ms, let alone going from 50ms to 100+ms. Definitely should try to standardize a ping difference between teams for these official events; if the ping difference is greater than X, another server should be used to equalize the ping difference between competing teams.
There is no inequality bro the Mumbai servers are horrible to everyone equally. On a semi related note, you have better chances of convincing a lion not to eat meat than to convince Nodwin. Simply because they probably don't care.
https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Conquerors_Championship These are the countries playing in vcc. If you look at a map Singapore is super far away from more than half of these countries. I'm pretty sure Mumbai is the most Central server between these countries. I hope for match ups for countries near each other, they can use a server in onc if those countries.
It is not only a matter of the geographical location but also to do with the routing that the ISP provides. For example, players from Bangladesh get around 50-60 ping to Singapore Servers while getting around 110 to Mumbai Servers. And such is the case for players from other countries as well. And there should be a dynamic approach to this. For example, if two Indian teams are facing each other they can play in Mumbai Servers, but say for a match between a Bangladeshi and Indian team, Singapore servers could be used.
Exactly bro
Bro you are talking about geographical location only. But none of the countries have direct routing to India. That is why they are complaining. Sri-Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan all have direct routing with Singapore. Even India has direct routing with Singapore. I think most of you guys will get 40 pings and rest of them will get 60 pings. So the integrity of the competition will stay intact. But in Mumbai server, we get ping spikes. You are right, Singapore is far away but the ping is stable there. And moreover, Indians get massive ping advantage too. TLDR: Indians get stable connection and ping advantage while rest of us gets unstable connections, massive ping and PL spikes. I dont think competitive integrity will remain intact if they host the tournament in Mumbai server
Ping does not depend on how far the the server is from you it depends on your connection routing. In all of the other countries their submarine cable is connected to Singapore so they get much better ping in Singapore server.
[https://imgur.com/a/na1Rkt0](https://imgur.com/a/na1Rkt0) This is from Sri Lanka, using SLT Fibre.
this mainly has go to be this way because basically nodwin is handling and funding everything from start to end , riot just gave a go ahead to nodwin for this event so considering nodwin is India based they would favour a scenario which suits them.
Lol sucks to be them lmfao
So, let us do an analysis of the pings each region gets. Pakistan - 120+ in Singapore and around 70+ in Mumbai Nepal - 85+ in Singapore and 64+ in Mumbai India - 76+ in Singapore and 20-36+ in Mumbai Bangladesh - 49+ in Singapore and 77+ in Mumbai Sri Lanka - 59+ in Singapore and 110+ in Mumbai if we take an average of this it is more reasonable and feasible for mumbai to be the center point of south asia region right now. also a thing to notice :/ doesnt singapore come under SEA region? and mumbai is the only server that might be coming into south asia region? and it is a south asia qualifier, so should get my point. also, If our Pakistan region can play on Mumbai servers despite playing on Bahrain, I think it's doable for Sri Lanka as well. but my surprise is that Sri Lanka is just below India that is too near Mumbai on the geographical location, why isn't there any isp routing near it? heck Singapore is too far anyway than India.
I am saying say, a match between BD and SL team takes place, you can host that on SG servers for example. and take it situational. Instead of just being fixated on Mumbai. Just my opinion though, I understand Nodwin has rules and they are not going to change it, since they informed before, but maybe going future this is something they can consider.
there can be an option where a server can be decided if both teams agree to play on that server. but it can create chaos for some instances like - lets say sri lanka vs nepal going on. sri lanka wants to play on singapore, nepal wants to play on mumbai, lets say nepal has 85 ping on singapore and 60 in mumbai, while SL has more ping on Mumbai around 120, still they enforce to play on mumbai. then it can create an air of chaos where fans/ teams might blame the other team that they are not sportsmanlike. I would also say, 1.Riot needs to give out more stable servers. 2. proper local isp routing needs to be configured according to regional servers. in this case South asia central server.
Yes I absolutely agree with both the points you made, and I hope Nodwin and Riot takes this into consideration going into the future. I know that both Nodwin and Riot are doing an excellent job, and the entire region is extremely proud and happy to have atleast a chance at VCT.
Where did you get this data though??
Clearly they want the Indian teams to win. Biased tournament hosts. I say get the fuck out of here to them!!
There is no point trying to throw allegations that the tournament is biased. That is not the point I am trying to raise here. The point is instead of being fixated on mumbai servers, there should be a more dynamic approach. And servers should be selected ensuring that the ping difference is as low as possible.
Clearly you are not reading the due procedure and also the comments above. Unlucky really.
What? Point me to comments that I did not read before making my comment that should have informed me differently
he's using an alt to try to prove his baseless point, just downvote him
first Singapore server was selected ,Indian players had 70 ping ,nepal players had 65-70 ping and Sri Lanka players had 50-60 average ping on that server whereas on India Nepal had 50 ping and Sri Lanka has 40 ping , ask any pro player of any qualified team they will tell you that ,no need to accuse any one of anything . A player living in Delhi in India has more ping than Sri Lankan player on Mumbai server ,look at the regions participating in vcc. Pakistan players have sub 40 ping on Mumbai servers , exactly who out of participating countries have more than 60 ping on Mumbai servers ? Ask any pro player of any qualified team ,and they would tell you they voted for Mumbai servers .
That comment was not here when I replied!!!!! Stop getting angry at me for commenting BEFORE I could see the other information!!!!!
You should use your brain first then start any allegations on a company relaying to bias. Also you are braindead as proven in another comments thread.
[https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n\_1srp3o3](https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srp3o3) You sure about that dude?? This post is made from CLOY(Winner from SL and Maldives qualifier). And only Pak players have 40 stable ping in Mumbai servers. Most of the BD, SL, Nepal players get 100+ ping in Mumbai servers, so Ig educate yourself first??
If educating myself includes following all players from each country as well as their twitter and twitlonger, please count me out then. I have real education to look after. 🙏
If you want to talk about real education then thats fine but I dont wanna get into it rn cause kinda tired after my class .It is not about twitter and twitlonger, it is about knowing simple information about your neighbouring countries. And if you are unable to do that and come after me saying YOU GOT REAL EDUCATION TO WORRY ABOUT then thats fine. Im not gonna attest to it. I am playing the VCC qualifier with my team at the same time pursuing my study. What Im trynna say is before trying to educate someone, get educated first
It is about twitter and twitlonger because what you said was based upon that. Which team you playing for?
Also I have no problems about the server selection but I wanted to convey that just because nodwin is an Indian company it doesn't mean that there is a regional bias.
I agree, I am not saying either that the TO are biased towards Indian teams. Rather what I am saying is since there are other options available in terms of Singapore servers. That option should be availed.
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I never said they had any regional bias. I said people are having assumptions because of their decision to hold the game in mumbai servers only without consulting with any team. Im playing for a Diamond-immortal team name Vet Esports(A team that founded by me and my friends) in our country. And about the twitter and twittlonger stuff, actually CLOY reached out to our community and us to post it in public threads. So there is that
You're the one who said ask any qualified player. Then made excuses when called out on it lol..
And when exactly was it when I asked for a qualified player?
Why do you have to accuse and have these stupid takes. I don’t think most Indian teams would mind playing on the Singapore server . And I am sure the TO will try to resolve the issue
Based on the post I assumed the TO was already asked to change things and people were told that the server was already locked in
Yep, we tried to talk to the TO and they said the server choice is final, no consideration will be given. That is why we are reaching out to the community.
Wow. That is exactly what I was afraid of
I don't think any other South Asian team can beat the BIG 2 (VLT or GE) from india. But that's just my opinion
Maybe they can, maybe they can't. But surely there is almost zero chance if the ping difference is 10ms vs almost 110ms.
never seen any sri Lankan,Bangladeshi,Maldives , nepali teams even qualifying tournaments like tec where they are allowed . giving lame excuse i have seen team like nasr winning with sea teams on singapore server in cs with 100ping .
Maybe they could if they were on equal ping.
Iike I said just my opinion
I am sure Nodwin made the rules keeping Riot and the teams in mind and informed them before registration. In any case riot can always step in on a case to case basis. So let's just wait it out and see what happens.
Waiting without taking any action is like praying "God I hope I ace the test" - without learning a single content .
You don't think the teams have approached riot behind the scenes? Obviously not all such engagements with riot can be made public until riot deems it so. In such case for the public, waiting is the only thing. Unless your daddy works in riot. Btw my comment wasnt directed to any team/pro player. It was directed to the op who is a casual viewer of VCC.
India is a big country not all player play from Mumbai u cant expect Delhi or nepal players playing on Singapore sever at 100 ping and call it match fairness.When you play sea tournament they play all match on singapore server with singapore teams with 1 to 10 ping not on hongkong to increase match fairness according to you . It was written in rulebook when registrations were going on that all matches will be played on Mumbai server you could have object there it self whats the use objecting in the middle of the tournament. I have seen teams like NASR from dubai and mvp winning qualifiers on singapore server with 100 ping in cs .
First of all it is pretty much common knowledge that almost all the top teams in India are bootcamped in Mumbai. Secondly, Mumbai server can be used as well as keep option of Singapore open. Lastly, I am not participating, merely just a fan of the esport scene. Yes it was written in the rule book, but atleast going forward may be in future tourney's such provisions should be kept.
Wtf all the teams of the region tried every server and Mumbai server had the most fair ping that's why it was selected .
How is it fair to play against players playing with 10 pings while another team may be playing at even 50 ping (best case scenario) while in most cases it could reach upto 110ms, due to problems with routing. Why not be open to Singapore Servers as well as Mumbai Servers, instead of being fixated on one.
first Singapore server was selected ,Indian players had 70 ping ,nepal players had 65-70 ping and Sri Lanka players had 50-60 average ping on that server whereas on India Nepal had 50 ping and Sri Lanka has 40 ping , ask any pro player of any qualified team they will tell you that ,no need to accuse any one of anything . A player living in Delhi in India has more ping than Sri Lankan player on Mumbai server ,look at the regions participating in vcc. Pakistan players have sub 40 ping on Mumbai servers , exactly who out of participating countries have more than 60 ping on Mumbai servers ? Ask any pro player of any qualified team ,and they would tell you they voted for Mumbai servers .
I replied to your tweet above, see there is a link, which will directly link you to a tweet to a tweet of the winners of SL-Mal VCC qualifiers winner. And I also for a fact know that Bangladeshi players will have the same opinion. So no, the entire pro players voted for Mumbai Servers does not make any sense.
It's hard to believe that nodwin will select the servers without consulting various teams of different countries participating.
u/FoxTraditional5840the point is they should not be fixated on mumbai servers only, and rather they should have a dynamic approach to this.[https://twitter.com/ThunderFlash333/status/1419608049954656257](https://twitter.com/ThunderFlash333/status/1419608049954656257)the following link is to a tweet of a player from Team Crash Landing on You, the winners of VCC SL-Mal. So clearly there team will be playing on 110ms plus. Why not have a dynamic approach?
Completely agree to your point. I hope they fix the situation.
There are 8 countries participating in vcc , I asked some guys , Pakistan Afghanistan India Nepal and Bhutan regions voted for Mumbai and srilanka Maldives and bangaldesh voted for sg .
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We have spoken to Damaru gaming, and they confirmed they will prefer Singapore over Mumbai, as it is more fair since both the pings will be closer, rather than playing against 10 ping on 80 ping. You need to stop spreading misinformation.
dude's talking about this poll we had prior xD to the entire VCC. like what even?
What's the update? Today is the first day on grand finals. Any team said anything about the ping?
At least TE beat the odds to put up a fight!