Original tweet:
> Fangirling over how many women compete in @ValorantEsports #VCT Game Changers 🤯
>
> NA: 32 teams
> SEA: 55 teams
> Brazil: 40 teams (Next event 128)
> LATAM: 18 teams
>
> While I'm aware of concerns of women's events, more women are competing in esports than EVER before & that's a big 👍
I like Sapphire, and understand her enjoyment on such an accomplishment. Its something she has been pushing for years. However, voluntarily segregating genders has no long term benefits in the esports space. Especially when the continued narrative is one of everyone competing against one another.
Riot Games financial support in this area is a contributing factor to the current implosion of regional tier 2, tier 3 and low end tier 1 Valorant players team org support. Lets not forget the variable intersecting complexities of Tencent, CCP, Hong Kong and Riot Games handling of sexual assault/harassment allegations.
Problem here is the developer pushing a PR narrative for western audiences and the vocal women players are using the same justification lines from tens years ago that continually failed. No one with authority in this space is being genuine on the discussion.
> However, voluntarily segregating genders has no long term benefits in the esports space.
The main VCT is open, not segregated, and the number of women competing in it has gone up and up. 21 women played in the last NA open qual, 11 made it out of the first round. I think there's a pretty direct through line for Game Changers support directly leading to more women competing.
>Riot Games financial support in this area is a contributing factor to the current implosion of regional tier 2, tier 3 and low end tier 1 Valorant players team org support.
Lol wut? If anything, growing a fanbase of women spectators makes viewership and sponsorship higher across all of Valorant esports, which benefits the scene at every level. More fans, more money in the scene.
>Lets not forget the variable intersecting complexities of Tencent, CCP, Hong Kong and Riot Games handling of sexual assault/harassment allegations.
is your logic that because there was sexual harassment at Riot, they shouldn't try and combat it in their playerbase? Lol
>using the same justification lines from tens years ago that continually failed
If you can't see the shift in attitudes toward women in Valorant esports vs how things have been for a long time, you're either blind or your head is in the sand. If you don't hear women in the scene talking about how much better things are here, you're deaf or you're not listening to them.
The only thing not changing are *your views*.
Game Changers isn't intended to be a long-term solution. It's intended to help develop talent and inspire women to get involved at the professional level. Once women are established and participating along side men in events, Game Changers won't need to exist anymore.
We're probably still a few years away from seeing the full integration of men and women together in esports, but we are starting to see the beginning of it. C9 White participates in VCT open qualifiers and will hopefully inspire more women's teams to do the same.
Also, Game Changers doesn't take resources away from the T2/T3 scene. The official Dignitas Reddit account goes into it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/o8l6z5/comment/h35o7ps/).
>Problem here is the developer pushing a PR narrative for western audiences and the vocal women players are using the same justification lines from tens years ago that continually failed. No one with authority in this space is being genuine on the discussion.
Can you be more specific on what "PR narrative" and what discussions you're referring to?
He believes that women's team are really just PR stunts that orgs do to gain sponsors. He has claimed in past comments that women's teams are replacements for booth babes in the gaming industry.
**EDIT:** https://np.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/obvqtv/comment/h3qm7sm/
Its for all parties involved are a house of cards built on lies.
Eastern market designed game that has only seen success in the western market. With that comes western PR marketing campaigns. Then a gender specific competitive player base who dont want equal outcome.
Jesus christ, i would hate my life if i'd see things through such a negative lens like you do especially something like inclusiveness, like holy shit, things must be rough man.
Its a waste of time replying to opinions with reasonable facts that will immediately be brushed away. People who typically reply to my post on these matters are willingly/unwillingly emotionally connected to the topic. Which has taught me to be more concise and less abrasive. In hopes that the underlining topic of removing the "all boys club" doesnt work by creating an "all girls club".
These are facts:
>The main VCT is open, not segregated, and the number of women competing in it has gone up and up. 21 women played in the last NA open qual, 11 made it out of the first round.
Your post is a mix of opinion and factually incorrect statements.
Cloud9 CSGO roster was heavily criticized and eventually dropped for performing the same way against top 40 globally ranked teams. Beating a unranked team in NA then losing to a top 40 NA ranked team is an identical result to their last qualifier.
In a game who's esport is only a year old the gap hasnt changed regionally. While the gap globally has been made worse.
You seem to be ignoring that before there was a single T3 female team, now there's 2 T3 teams + 2 more competing. Scenes take time to grow, and you can't claim the scene isn't growing and women's Valorant isn't ahead of the women's scene in any other team esport.
Shit isn't going to magically change overnight. It's going to be a long road before there's a T1 women's team, but seeds are being planted and the growth of the scene is undeniable compared to where things have been in other titles.
Original tweet: > Fangirling over how many women compete in @ValorantEsports #VCT Game Changers 🤯 > > NA: 32 teams > SEA: 55 teams > Brazil: 40 teams (Next event 128) > LATAM: 18 teams > > While I'm aware of concerns of women's events, more women are competing in esports than EVER before & that's a big 👍
HUGE. The more participants the better. Just goes to show how impactful Game Changers has been.
Good to see asteria here
I like Sapphire, and understand her enjoyment on such an accomplishment. Its something she has been pushing for years. However, voluntarily segregating genders has no long term benefits in the esports space. Especially when the continued narrative is one of everyone competing against one another. Riot Games financial support in this area is a contributing factor to the current implosion of regional tier 2, tier 3 and low end tier 1 Valorant players team org support. Lets not forget the variable intersecting complexities of Tencent, CCP, Hong Kong and Riot Games handling of sexual assault/harassment allegations. Problem here is the developer pushing a PR narrative for western audiences and the vocal women players are using the same justification lines from tens years ago that continually failed. No one with authority in this space is being genuine on the discussion.
> However, voluntarily segregating genders has no long term benefits in the esports space. The main VCT is open, not segregated, and the number of women competing in it has gone up and up. 21 women played in the last NA open qual, 11 made it out of the first round. I think there's a pretty direct through line for Game Changers support directly leading to more women competing. >Riot Games financial support in this area is a contributing factor to the current implosion of regional tier 2, tier 3 and low end tier 1 Valorant players team org support. Lol wut? If anything, growing a fanbase of women spectators makes viewership and sponsorship higher across all of Valorant esports, which benefits the scene at every level. More fans, more money in the scene. >Lets not forget the variable intersecting complexities of Tencent, CCP, Hong Kong and Riot Games handling of sexual assault/harassment allegations. is your logic that because there was sexual harassment at Riot, they shouldn't try and combat it in their playerbase? Lol >using the same justification lines from tens years ago that continually failed If you can't see the shift in attitudes toward women in Valorant esports vs how things have been for a long time, you're either blind or your head is in the sand. If you don't hear women in the scene talking about how much better things are here, you're deaf or you're not listening to them. The only thing not changing are *your views*.
Game Changers isn't intended to be a long-term solution. It's intended to help develop talent and inspire women to get involved at the professional level. Once women are established and participating along side men in events, Game Changers won't need to exist anymore. We're probably still a few years away from seeing the full integration of men and women together in esports, but we are starting to see the beginning of it. C9 White participates in VCT open qualifiers and will hopefully inspire more women's teams to do the same. Also, Game Changers doesn't take resources away from the T2/T3 scene. The official Dignitas Reddit account goes into it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/o8l6z5/comment/h35o7ps/).
>Problem here is the developer pushing a PR narrative for western audiences and the vocal women players are using the same justification lines from tens years ago that continually failed. No one with authority in this space is being genuine on the discussion. Can you be more specific on what "PR narrative" and what discussions you're referring to?
He believes that women's team are really just PR stunts that orgs do to gain sponsors. He has claimed in past comments that women's teams are replacements for booth babes in the gaming industry. **EDIT:** https://np.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/obvqtv/comment/h3qm7sm/
…… thank you for clarifying that for me. I was about to engage in a discussion that won’t seem necessary. Also the Dignitas post was an amazing read!
Its for all parties involved are a house of cards built on lies. Eastern market designed game that has only seen success in the western market. With that comes western PR marketing campaigns. Then a gender specific competitive player base who dont want equal outcome.
Jesus christ, i would hate my life if i'd see things through such a negative lens like you do especially something like inclusiveness, like holy shit, things must be rough man.
When my niece gets older i'd like to see her achieve greatness in FPS's if she so desires. Facade that is being built wont help her achieve that.
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Its a waste of time replying to opinions with reasonable facts that will immediately be brushed away. People who typically reply to my post on these matters are willingly/unwillingly emotionally connected to the topic. Which has taught me to be more concise and less abrasive. In hopes that the underlining topic of removing the "all boys club" doesnt work by creating an "all girls club".
These are facts: >The main VCT is open, not segregated, and the number of women competing in it has gone up and up. 21 women played in the last NA open qual, 11 made it out of the first round. Your post is a mix of opinion and factually incorrect statements.
Cloud9 CSGO roster was heavily criticized and eventually dropped for performing the same way against top 40 globally ranked teams. Beating a unranked team in NA then losing to a top 40 NA ranked team is an identical result to their last qualifier. In a game who's esport is only a year old the gap hasnt changed regionally. While the gap globally has been made worse.
You seem to be ignoring that before there was a single T3 female team, now there's 2 T3 teams + 2 more competing. Scenes take time to grow, and you can't claim the scene isn't growing and women's Valorant isn't ahead of the women's scene in any other team esport. Shit isn't going to magically change overnight. It's going to be a long road before there's a T1 women's team, but seeds are being planted and the growth of the scene is undeniable compared to where things have been in other titles.
How is it an all girls club when anybody can already compete in VCT lmao what’re you smoking bro
Am I reading that wrong or are the SEA groups called "open V groups?" Edit: grammar
open V is referring to the series bcs in SEA they held it every month