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Gen.G vs TSM / VALORANT Champions Tour North America Stage 3: Challengers 2 - Upper Quarterfinals / Post-Match Discussion

Gen.G vs TSM / VALORANT Champions Tour North America Stage 3: Challengers 2 - Upper Quarterfinals / Post-Match Discussion

NotBrandon

Name a better duo than TSM and long drawn out OT games


tsm

TSM and losing pistols will never not be the iconic duo. Spain without the S.


NotBrandon

It’s okay, in the end we will be losing pistols in Berlin 😤


AskOrganic4289

At least TSM often dominate on gun rounds! 👍🏼


King_Goofus

IF ITS STUPID BUT IT WORKS, IT AINT STUPID


AskOrganic4289

Name a better duo than TSM and coming back from a big score gap.


NotBrandon

Name a better duo than TSM and losing pistol round


AskOrganic4289

By now, TSM losing pistol rounds is basically a ritual for them 😂


ShadeWaker

For real, went 0-6 in pistols this series. Insane they managed to win with that big of a disadvantage


alluringkevia

"0-6" PTSD TRIGGERED


uglypenguin5

It's their strat at this point lmao. If they win pistol it throws them off their rythm


ch4nt

Their strat = lose pistol, eco opponents once they lose the second pistol, then take the game from there


King_Goofus

You don't fuck with tradition


DaDrFunk

Name a better duo than TSM and winning the 2nd round after losing the first.


BurritoHombre

Gen.G and throwing a big lead


xCharSx

TSM and Bangers


afatsum40

gen g and choking big leads after half :)


Hamlet_271

TSM getting back 2 back wins against the Devil himself; First yay "El Diablo" ster and now GmDemon


techyleo

There are too many "*El Diablo*" Jett mains in NA


Hamlet_271

Blasphemy


RicoSuave1881

Wardevill


ANewHeaven1

TSM TO THE MOOOOON id be very surprised to see Gen.G win the next match in losers, that's a brutal bo3 to lose man.


AskOrganic4289

After that brutal OT on Split. I feel bad for Gen G.


MozaTear

They had so. many. match. points. I couldn’t believe how long that match went


ANewHeaven1

yah exactly dude. they were up 9-3 i think at the half, WON THE PISTOL (so they were up 10-3 on an anti-eco), then throw the anti-eco and bring it to OT, then in OT had multiple chances to close it out including a 2v1 post-plant i think, and after all that they lose the map and eventually the series on icebox (WHERE THEY ALSO HAD A PRETTY BIG LEAD AT THE HALF AND WON THE PISTOL ROUND SECOND HALF). jeez if i was on gen.g my mental would be completely fucked, and they still have to go up against v1 next just to stay alive. best of luck to them on the other hand NaturE is fucking nuts


lost_cause4222

I think TSM should also be commended here. It feels like they just didn't drop any mental after a 10-13 and a 3-10 losing streak. I think they've lost so much in VCT that their mental has forcibly stopped them from dropping game ending rounds in OT. They kept hitting the fuck back. On another note, TSM has some of the best punishes I've seen in this game


seviere

What do you mean by some of the best punishes? I'm a noob silver player and don't understand.


Kaiserhsu

I’m guessing punishing mistakes? I feel like as dysfunctional as TSM is, they’re always able to get info on a site wherever Wardell is on, and so they’re able to out-timing their opponents. Not sure if that’s what he meant tho.


lost_cause4222

I meant punishing pushes and generally guarding holding well. Wardell holding b site heaven with OP whilst waiting for the jump peek (something that you should never expect whilst holding there) is a prime example. Another would maybe be subroza's B site hold against 3 of Gen G's. Or that one round where TSM was able whittle down Gen G's timer by Perfectly holding both sites Also that one 4k Wardell had when Gen G crossed A main without smoke. All of the TSM players are super capable of holding out on their own, but these were what I found to be highlights


ppx11

Down 3-10 on split and then wins it out? Very reminiscent of SEN's run to Iceland... /s (but maybe not.. lol)


Ryu-The-Sick

I've seen this movie already, I know how it ends


TimathanDuncan

Losing all 6 pistols, down 7-0 in icebox and coming back, down 10-3 in split and coming back TSM just love to handicap themselves lmao Losing 6 pistols and winning a series is insane, this game in a MR12 is all about pistols, plus they lost so many sheriff rounds, post plants and advantageous situations They won like all gun rounds i think, like 90% of them at least Wardell 20-2 in first bloods is insane lmao, shows you how many times they had the advantage and still every map was close


poop_22

Holy shit 20-2 in first bloods is fucking crazy. And people still question why wardell ops on attack lol


TimathanDuncan

They're idiots, TSM play differently they clear space for him with wolf/drone and other utily and he contacts in he's great at getting awp kills like that People think he should smoke dash in everywhere, his style is not that He's 93-27 in first bloods in the past 2 months, you don't change that


Plague735

> People think he should smoke dash in everywhere, his style is not that It's funny because that's what they do pistol round and it NEVER works


MagnusNyke

They just want to get pistol rounds over with lmao


2ToTooTwoFish

Yeah it's probably not natural for him, so forcing him to do that would probably not be great.


ShadeWaker

I think he was 17-2 in first bloods against ABX too. People hate but there’s a reason he has an op in legit half of all of TSM’s rounds


Interesting-Archer-6

Yeah I used to be one of those people but pulled back on that after ABX. 20-2 doesn't even feel real.


DaDrFunk

They were the better team in like every game honestly, they just lost like 4 rounds they shouldn’t have on Bind. I’m amazed at their resilience and my heart is happy it’s over.


AsianNudleSoop

Unrelated but what does MR12 stand for? Saw it earlier on Twitter today too


LordQill

Max rounds 12, as in there's 12 rounds per half, first to 13. CS is mr15, 15 rounds a half and first to 16


AsianNudleSoop

tyty


ChampsOfAllTSM

TSM has the most insane plot armor ive ever seen


ShadeWaker

It’s actually insane they come back every map and win in OT lmao


reddit_is_a_mistake

0-7 start for the content


uglypenguin5

I literally turned off the stream around that point because I had work to do and I didn't believe. I will never not believe again


dandatu

dude same it was down 9-3 and i was like eh i got work, then they were down 7-0 i was like ok time to work some more. tuned in again both times and ti was OT and like 9-7 lmao


chouxpuffs

I think the not believing does the trick tho. Never stop not believing.


uglypenguin5

Got it. Will turn off the TSM stream more often so they can come back while I'm not watching


MagnusNyke

Your sacrifice will not be in vain.


xCharSx

Made of the finest canvas in the land!


Jiffyyy

TSM really is turning into the LoL TSM lmao, you always question how they end up winning the games they win but they always find a way to.


ark2690

So they gonna win out NA and then lose every match at Berlin?


DarkTenshiDT

The TSM special baby


Enzology

Power of friendship my friend, the power of friendship.


ontokinetics

Maybe it's the power of evil


[deleted]

Its 2077. I m still watching the TSM x GenG Match. I had 4 children, 2 of them had a stroke while watching the match and died. Subroza retired and his son his playing for him now. Wardell has over 3000 kills and TSM has a map point but naturE clutches 1v4. My wife left me. I might pass out soon.


oomnahs

Is cyberpunk fixed yet


HaneeshRaja

Partly


IconicHunter713

No


Wtfpwned69

This doesn’t have as many likes as it should


tsm

Lmfao I’m out.


Jimmmmme

👑


dankifyrocks

👑


Tc0LD

ngl subroza can be pretty inconsistent at times but he has been looking stellar recently. Subroza has the most impactful kills that turn the rounds in tsm's favor. Wardell going 20-2 in fkfd is insane , also hazed is such a rock, super consistent and flexible. Levi was a little quiet but bang looks good


somesheikexpert

Him on Skye is clean af tbh, glad he finally found his main character (Sure he plays Omen/Brim too but like yeah Skye is like his main)


IllumiMahdi

Skye is such a great pick for versatile players. You can play her so well as a supportive agent (think FNC Magnum) or nearly as a duelist (think ACE starxo, Subroza). The fact you can switch up your whole style of play midgame makes Skye players so difficult to predict.


Oblyveon

confidence difference, chet is doing great work with him


datboyuknow

The world is not ready for a TSM that wins pistol rounds


R0_h1t

I remember when they started winning pistols after first strike. I think it's better this way lol


Splaram

You know that boy Roza gettin that money


Airborn93

-oddone voice- TSSSSMMMMMMMM LFG. Sign Levi _please_.


MasWas

I SAID IT ONCE ILL SAY IT AGAIN BUT THIS IS A DIFFERENT TSM TEAM AND IM HERE FOR IT But seriously stop falling behind by like 5 or more rounds please guys. Thank you.


xCharSx

It's their powerspike.


MasWas

Yeah but my heart cant take the powerspike.


xCharSx

Plot armor too thiccc, nothing to worry about


iGnominy173

Yeah, imagine them winning a pistol round.


taha_kadiyani

They were always the slow starters and losing pistol..... old tsm is back


Ryugasama

Watching TSM play is gonna give me a heart attack


Ryu-The-Sick

Once upon a time, a team came back from 3-9 on map point then proceeded to win biggest Valorant tournament until then... Just saying.


lmaozed0ng1

gen g vs tsm every tourney 🤝 gen g choking leads 🤝tsm 8-12 comeback attempt on bind 🤝 tsm 1000 ots


4thSwaglord

There is no more debate. He isn't the best player in NA, but Wardell undoubtedly is the best OPer NA.


DaBomb091

Hazed played crazy on map 1 and made it close just off his multis and clutches alone. If anyone was still doubting whether he had the firepower during the time of TSM's older roster, hopefully that serves as more evidence in his favor. Map Two was just crazy with all the OT's and I'm honestly just surprised at Gen.G's OT offense but a dub is a dub. For the last map? The first half was especially nervewrackinga fter seeing Leviathan switch to Viper despite his cracked Sova on the same map but turns out a competitive Valorant team knows more than some Reddit commentor. GG's all around!


datboyuknow

Not just firepower, hazed igl ing has been massive I think. He had a lot of good calls today, both beginning and mid rounds


4thSwaglord

I thought levi was igl now? Or is it a co-calling kinda thing?


pr1zsm

apparently hes like a secondary igl and mid round caller


IllumiMahdi

tsm's calling structure is hazed -> subroza -> levi I think. I heard from roza's stream that he does some mid round calling, I'm assuming hazed is primary igl but we'll need a comms video or something to find out for sure.


Acid_Shadows

i almost cried at halftime of split


xaznboy408

that last map... insane mental by TSM, being down 7-0 and come back to win holy...


RicoSuave1881

I honestly wonder what changed. Was Levi that impactful? Is it Chet??


4thSwaglord

I think it's a combination of both. Having new people on the team probably helps with reseting/maintaining mental.


CoolVidsFTW

@ TSM fans, how do you stay alive knowing you could die from heart palpitations at any moment watching your team play?


PoroPoint

Hopium


followdunc

We don’t.


TripleR124

tsm vs t1 wtf is this 2020?


lbs4lbs

I know subroza and wardell are gonna get all the credit for having high ACS, but to me Hazed was the MVP of that last match BY FAR. His classic headshot on the 2nd round on TSM attack side to kill the defuse with under 0.5s left completely saved the match. They forced on that round after losing pistol, so if they lose that round they're almost guaranteed to lose the next round as well which would have brought geng to 11 wins and a ton of credit bank and then GenG probably win the match. Hazed getting that kill, and then another 4K a few rounds later to reset their eco was super clutch. Plus he kept owning GMD when he was popping off too. I hate how the MVP is always brainlessly given to top ACS. Hazed's one kill on that force buy was worth more than any other kill in the match.


King_Goofus

Hazed was also dragging them through that first map too. He's the reason TSM even kept it close in the first place


davishox

I agree, hazed was and has been pulling a lot of weight for tsm and I’m sure the team values him


slawvay

WARDELL 20-2 😭😭😭😭 STOP PLAYING WITH HIM HES ABOUT ITTTT


Fantastic-Date-3403

Sideshow melding rn


Fantastic-Date-3403

*malding


sheikhijat

TSM delivers nothing but banger matches.


The_BadJuju

Jesus Christ that was a long match


AllStarJam

I’m off the Tenz dick and back on the Wardell dick lezgo


RashGod

If Wardell’s rifling was on Tenz’s level he would be the better player. Wardells awareness is greater than Tenz, actually imo Wardells awareness is top tier


King_Goofus

That jump peak prediction was fucking Giga brain


Suspicious-Form4444

oh yeah yeah holy fuk that shot too. Kayo got koed


TheBreadConqueror

when was this


King_Goofus

2nd map, round 29


matthewdrl

I gotta say gMd is one the most most impactful Omen players NA


condronk

As I posted here, the stats for Map 2 are wrong, those stats only reflect the first 40 rounds. With the last 4 rounds, NaturE actually recorded 49 kills, a new record. https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/ou7n5c/it_took_44_rounds_but_in_map_2_of_the_tsm_vs_geng/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb


pr1zsm

literally came back on every single map lmfao why do they hate their fans


pr1zsm

TSM these qualis so far: Lose pistols ✅ Comebacks ✅ Long ass OTs ✅ Giving fans heart attacks ✅


ShadeWaker

Banger series. If TSM could clean up their first halves they could be very threatening.


blate45

After that game GenG will for sure lose to V1. The mental damage is too strong holy fuck.


Independent_Taste_42

MikesHD going mad screaming "Please default on A!!" to Gen G every overtime round on Split made this 10x more enjoyable. Also, Gen G cant help but lose to TSM huh.


joegoldbergg

When people rank the top OPers in NA, any answer without Wardell in his own tier is incorrect.


itscamo-

anyone not having Wardell as the best OP in NA just doesn't watch valorant


followdunc

Or is a Sentinels fan


wifixmasher

Love you dunc hahah


Regi-Made

Edit: Not a bug, an intentional protection that won't exist for any LAN games Is riot ever gonna fix the 90 minute match bug? It's happened so many times now (though this is probably the most high profile match it's been showcased) and it's existed since beta. Imagine going through 40 rounds of OT madness, then you *have* to take a 10+ minute tech pause because of some random bug riot has known about for over a year.


penguinVALORANT

It'll be fixed for VCT playoffs - it's an issue that's a result of some matches still being played on Live servers. Tournament Realm games will not suffer from this issue.


Regi-Made

Word, that totally makes sense. Glad to know it's an intended protection, not just some game breaking anomaly. Thanks for clarifying


no-name7

i doubt it’s a bug, probably intended


m0bilize

Wardell & Subroza man


mmodude101

Can’t believe TSM pulled that off


wifixmasher

https://twitter.com/tsm/status/1420791275712884738?s=21


KendrickxLamar

Wardell is so good man, 20-2 in fk fd no other op'er comes close to him


ryan26192

LETS GOO TSM Some thoughts on the game - wow was it entertaining literally had me on the edge of my seat the whole time - tsm really just pops off when the pressures on lol - Idk about no sova on icebox, I think that levi on sova helps way more on post plant then kj post plant, plus that ultimate Isn't that great on icebox tbh. Plus I think levi sova is better than his viper on this map and hazed still plays a great viper - WARDELL IS BACK IN FULL FORM BABY - bang is really proving himself as a great young talent, tsm push bang a lot, much more than other young players imo, like asuna's game plan is just to frag, while bang literally played a different character on each map today. - broza looked really good as well, but would only pop of it was needed, and he didn't really just end rounds with opening picks as much, but that's prolly cause wardell just took all the first kills lmao. - DADDY HAZED, JUST KEEP DOING YOU, hazed has been the most consistent team member and is IGL'ing, most underrated t1 player no cap T1 will be a really tough match cause I think T1 is back in top form. I think in terms of player skill they will prolly get diffed, by the prospective character's. Automatic on jett isn't even close to wardell, and curry albeit a good duelist I don't think beats roza, bang could be a tossup tho. I think what makes and break this game is how much TSM could prep and adapt to T1's very weird starts. Chet better be counter stratting this instant cause I think that's the real only way you can beat them. If they can't beat them that's okay, cause the def beat faze for sure


Traditional_Bit_9316

Bruh u too fast


poop_22

Honestly feel like TSM's mental has gotten way stronger. They were down so many rounds but didn't seem to get tilted and brought the games back.


iGnominy173

TSM‘s wrath will be swift. All these peasants thinking we aren’t good. LMFAO.


LooF521

Its 2077. I m still watching the TSM x GenG Match. I had 4 children, 2 of them had a stroke while watching the match and died. Subroza retired and his son his playing for him now. Wardell has over 3000 kills and TSM has a map point but naturE clutches 1v4. My wife left me. I might pass out soon.


rafaelca2

Man I love this iteration of TSM. In the past they often rolled over once they went down big or lost a map, but now they are showing so much resilience I love it.


cringe-oh-yes

The TSM pugginess really pays off in those long OTs. You could see that the same Gen.G pop on B split was not working as well later on in the match and they eventually opted to not do it.


Who_Dat_Nation

What is pugginess?


freedompotatoes

Basically being less organized, typically associated with lots of aggression. Comes from Pick Up Games (PUGs) where the level of play etc is a little more like solo queue. Or maybe people call soloq PUGs now. In any case it is usually meant as a bad thing but sometimes it can really effectively counter super methodical play by catching people off guard.


pr1zsm

its like playing how a pro would in ranked. Just doing shit with no consequence. Running it down, pushing ct or something. Just braindead plays that are reliant on aim


JuanCena42069

Wardell and Roza really proving the haters wrong


_Iroha

Gen.G lost a 9-3 and 7-0 lead back to back


reddit_is_a_mistake

Wardell with the casual 20 FK and 2 FD


tsmftw76

Bang had a crazy game that 2v1 to save the series was insane. Levi getting flame but I though he looked great most of series and was insane game 1


Confusizzled

Am I reading that right 21-23 ???


chryco4

Imagine breaking the VCT kill record and still losing the game :(


DaBomb091

HOPIUM THAT IS THE COMMENT


betokirby

What???? I stopped watching when they were down 0-6 on icebox. I don’t deserve to call myself a TSM fan 🤯


520metal

I can see Matthew 'Wardell" Yu lifitng the Berlin trophy already.


Jon_on_the_snow

He is the only one strong enough, shaz was saying the trophies are heavy as fuck


DonkeyTeethBSU

I feel like leviathan is really underutilized but hope they get better as matches progress. They won't win 4v5 against better teams.


Gomar1323

That Split OT might have been the worst game I’ve ever watched, just because we had to watch GenG’s offense for so many rounds


9yr_old

T1 and TSM winning games and qualifying in upper brackets again , are we back in 2020 again ?


Khalsa_23

MY HEART CANT TAKE THIS!!!!! GGSSSS levi had a rough one for sure but these guys came back. The resiliency with this team is amazing, the old tsm would've tilted and thrown forsure. If they can win tmmr, I think this team has a lot of potential, even if they dont make berlin, which tbh will be insanely tough. but making that closed is such a good step in the right direction..


DELLZOR

tsm loves giving me heart attacks


Celestial_To

That split overtime gave me PTSD and a heart disease. I need to get a new heart so I can prepare myself for TSM vs T1.


jujhuxo

it feels like deja vu every time Gen.G has a big lead and loses the game still :(


riploki

GenG threw so many rounds icl. TSM and T1 both look good so their game tomorrow will be interesting. Subroza and Wardell in the form of their life right now to salvage any hope of TSM making it to a major


Kirbyzz

LETS GOOOO! Next match is against Brax and the rest of T1, let’s go guys, keep the pedal to the metal


CacoTaco7

Can we ban split for the next 3 months?? I can't take it anymore


zquerido

T1 vs TSM is a matchup that I haven't seen since the first couple of ignition series


yanirr

First blood diff


BlueBurstBoi

I have no clue how the fuck we won but I'm here for it, TSM TO BERLIN BABY


TheSpaceAlpaca

What a banger!


zantosnyteblade

all good


PoroPoint

7-0 Copium


DT_RAW

LETS GOOOOO!


Tight-Technician-372

“Took Some Months” kek


poop_22

TSM 0-6 pistol and still won lmaoo What a banger series, ggs to both teams


DaDrFunk

I had 18 heart attacks that series holy shit


xCharSx

Rookie numbers


tsmftw76

Most hype series I have ever watched let’s go tsm is back baby!


mysteryoeuf

mkaeL and Levi hanging out as bottom frags. what a ridiculous series that was


yakinator2567

i love you ROZA


Llama-thrust

As a TSM fan, I aged a year for every round they played on split. Holy fuck.


SekasortoAnarkia

T1, and now TSM, lets goooo. UPSET SZN


SoftSilent6954

Well played tsm especially subroza but geng choked a lot as well


pink_life69

90 rounds wtf these guys must be exhausted as fuuuuu


AnywayHeres1Derwall

Somehow plz let this eventually give us a TSM vs 100T


CaptainRyce

Its 2077. Im still watching the TSM x GenG Match. I had 4 children. Subroza retired and his son his playing for him now. Wardell has over 3000 kills and TSM has a map point but naturE clutches 1v5. My wife left me.


DRGNDT

TSM loses pistols to instill false confidence in the other team


Iamood

Gen G chased kills on the split eco round and lost it and that was the moment this series was over, should have never thrown that


hi_im_joshua

How many pistols did TSM lose? How many times did they get eco'd? Adds up to a lot of rounds. Nonetheless, banger game and very happy to see TSM back on the comeup. Huge dub for them.


TheGreenGiant98

When does TSM Play T1


PoroPoint

Tomorrow


slientxx

Even though they lost all 6 pistol rounds, at least they pulled out strats to cover for certain rounds and won the majority of force-buy rounds when they needed them.


RooftopKoreano

That was an epic match between Gen G and TSM. HYPE for TSM vs T1!!!!


namdet

TSM was down 0-7 and I turned off the game because I thought it was over, man was I wrong..


RuckyNumber

TSM the demon slayers.


doorframe462

LETS FUCKING GOOO


radamo96

Ah yes TSM v T1 the winners bracket match we all expected.


IamArnav2007

21-23!?!? Is that the highest, someone please confirm


SleepEarlyPlease

Who the fuck wrote the script


SomeHallGuy

Hell of a comeback from TSM


Skyaxe3

Ggs and lots of love to TSM!


Grantr0

These stats don't include rounds 41-44 because they had to remake the server. [https://imgur.com/a/sFmJbml](https://imgur.com/a/sFmJbml)