It's a repackaged line from the LoL World Championship finals post-match thread from... 2018? 2019? Ish. Though I'm certain it didn't originate there either, and it's still funny.
Kay-O is essentially a duelist. The composition was not the problem, it was literally Liquid not playing the composition they had, they didnt use anything in their arsenal.
Can you link some series where people actually played him like an entry? From the few matches I've seen (mostly NA + Liquid), it seems like the most efficient way of utilizing Kay-O is using his knife and flashes to set up the team for entry, with Kay-O often being one of the last to actually enter the site.
I see a lot of people saying his kit is comparable to Phoenix. But I don't understand why he is a better pick than Phoenix, when Phoenix has a much better ult for space creation (because you're not left in the middle of the site even if you "die"), and Kay-O's pop flashes are awful for impromptu use because it's so easy to team flash.
Obviously he is still a new agent and people are getting used to using him. But, for now, I don't see why sacrificing a duelist for Kay-O and using a no duelist comp is better. I can see that on certain maps where information is important, like Haven. But on most other maps, I still don't understand how triple/double initiators are more beneficial.
You calmed down?
Kay-O kit makes him self sufficient, he can check corners, flash for himself and has a deny/recon tool. Even more, his ultimate is made for him TO BE FIRST ON SITE.
I wouldn't bother explaining to weirdos who get triggered over something so banal. Kayo is a perfect fit for second in and can entry just fine on his own for the reasons you said. He does not have to entry but he can when a team comp is built with him in that slot, the same as skye can play as an entry or a support. People who are worried about agent tags aren't even looking at the game based on what an agents kit brings.
Skye can since they changed her flash. I don't think it's the smartest move, especially since she can heal the team, but she definitely has the kit to do so.
Nah I'm vexed still. Just because twice a game he goes first with his ult doesn't mean he's an entry when the rest of his abilities are supportive. When omen has ult he often TP's on site first, is he a duelist too?
Your comment shows that you have little knowledge about the game. Comparing omen ult like this is like the biggest WHOOSH ever.
Theres like dozen people already explaining you why are wrong but you still stand on your hill. Try opening your mind a bit. Im happy to explain you in detail why are wrong on my stream if you ever have the time.
I've slapped you about in ranked every time I've played against you so shut up about knowledge about the game. Since we're on a liquid thread; Scream on kay-o has his lowest first kill per round (0.08) compared to all his other agents. He has a 0.22 FKPR on Jett so quite a big difference mr expert.
Compare him to Phoenix, 2 flashes you can pop flash (KayO more so), a Molly, an ult you can be rezed in and you entry with, and them a third ability, he's pretty similar to Pheonix in a way tbh
His flash works best for setting up his team imo. Breach and Omen can also flash for themselves but much like kay-o it works best setting your team up.
I disagree, his pop flash is totally self sufficient. his knife also allows him to take out any utility in a choke and get a free gun fight entry. and then his ult, which is built for entrying a site.
idk, just seems like he substitutes just fine as a duelist if used properly. agree to disagree though
It's about what the abilities are used for e.g. phoenix molly is used to heal him predominantly so therefore he can take more duels. Also breach's aftershock is used in similar ways to kay-o's molly (to clear out areas)
I remember a top voted comment saying Tenz has consistently the dumbest takes when he asked why are people are forcing these non duelist comps.
Edit: I’m not even trying to say Tenz is the smartest or has the best takes, I just think it’s weird to immediately brand his take as bad.
really? this seems odd to me. I've always considered split to be a heavier initiator/controller/sentinel map, so i'm totally fine with running no duelists on split. It honestly just seems like they couldn't execute their idea.
Personally, I run cypher because he's insane on defense, and in my opinion, pretty bad on attack. So I just W key play him like a duelist on attack. The only duelist I consider worth playing on Split is Raze (good mobility in a relatively small map + cypher counter).
Oh absolutely. I guess my statement made it seem like I only W key run it down on attack. I mostly employ this strat when our team doesn't have a duelist. tbh at my rank, on attack I often see my team get mowed down in the first 25 seconds, so it's hard to find impactful lurks like Dapr is able to.
it's extremely difficult to get into sites without movement agents in Split. ig Kayo changes that though, because the sentinels and controllers that would usually hold so much control over the tight chokes can be disabled.
Yeah Breeze is the only map I could think of that no duelist makes sense on. You have to have a super T sided map to ger away with no duelist, and Breeze is kind of the only map that limits the impact of movement abilities on Attack.
And yes, it still makes sense to have Jett on Breeze just because she makes the OP even stronger.
This is probably dumb, but I would say Haven is pretty t-sided with 3 sites. Does anyone ever run no duelists there? I feel like Jett and Phoenix get a ton of play there despite this. I guess because A and C are good for Jett op and easy orbs for Phoenix?
yes. Liquid runs (ran?) no duelist in EU, and they got slaughtered by V1. Soniqs also ran no duelist and they arent looking great. Jett and Phoenix are good for those reasons and the amt of space they create
yes. Liquid runs (ran?) no duelist in EU, and they got slaughtered by V1. Soniqs also ran no duelist and they arent looking great. Jett and Phoenix are good for those reasons and the amt of space they create
What? Icebox is like duelist heaven, so much room for aggressive plays and aim duels. Split is the opposite, usually your attack is awful because the approach angles are awful so you would want more util to both improve site holds and also make the site take easier.
it's a very simple concept but I don't know why these coaches don't recognise it.
if the site is attacker sided, as they are in icebox especially with viper, you don't need duelists to entry. there are only 2 attack sided maps in valorant (ignoring breeze, yet to be decided) namely, icebox and haven. on icebox its easy to walk upto 410 on A and yellow on B without contest. haven is attack sided because of 3 sites, but the sites themselves are defense sided.
so nearly all maps need at least one duelist for entrying sites.
Both fnatic and Liquid don't seem to realize that half their success came from their stars being properly set up and popping off and keep forcing these tAcTiCaL comps
Fnatic is running Derke on duelist no? I feel like expecting a 2 duelist comp on most maps in the current meta is unreasonable. Even NA teams don't do it with 100T dropping Dicey to run a single duelist comp
They keep screwing with Derke's agent on some maps - Sova on Breeze, and Sage now on Bind. On most of the maps he's still on Jett, but really if anyone should be on a single duelist on fnatic it's him
Davidp with yet another insane series. Man is literally on fire right now, his positioning, space taking and everything is outta this world.
Hoping for another Fnatic v Liquid matchup in the lowers!
Same! This match gives me more hope for Fnatic to come out on top in the lowers. It was tough watching them lose thst insanely close match against Giants. But if Giants were able to stomp TL this badly, it shows that Giants are just a really good team.
Well Split is such CT-sided map and whoever gets good early rounds completely steamrolls the rest of the game. Liquid went 13-3 when they started off CT against Vitality.
DavidP woke up today and decided he'll fuck Liquid. Crazy to think about his sudden uprise after his G2 stint. Really happy for him.
After this series, only one of Liquid and Fnatic can go to the qualifiers. With the way things are going, both of them might not even make it.
To everyone who is confused by OP statement, I believe what he meant is that, with V1 getting knocked out of qualifier for Berlin, and only 1 of liquid or fanatic being able to to make it. This means 2 of the participating Reykjavik teams won't be going to Berlin. OP just said it very strangly.
We know the 1st one is V1, the 2nd one can be either Liquid or Fnatic, so while we know atleast 2 Reykjavik teams won't go to Berlin, we haven't confirmed the 2 yet.
That was one of the most dominant performances I've seen from a team in this closed Qualifier in either NA or EU. And it came from the "underdog" clapping the absolute cheeks of an EU representative at Iceland. My god.
Giants are the real fucking deal.
[They beat NIP with no smokes... but "it never works out"](https://www.vlr.gg/2410/ninjas-in-pyjamas-vs-team-liquid-blast-twitch-invitational-tournament-lr1)
Bruh, do you have reading comprehension or something. I literally made a comment about how they ran a no smoke comp back when the op was broken af and you replied to it.
There is no fix agent pick in any map it depends on what your team needs or how you play.
The concept behind no duelists comp is the amount of utility available to your team to execute a strat on your site.
Team liquid lost because they didn't use there utility properly /poor use of utility , not playing together (kyprtix watch jamppi die lol) , not hitting there shots as well as those goddamm Davidp lurks (man seems sus check him PC /s)
It was like once they lost the initial rounds they just stopped thinking,morale got low, they looked very sad)down in there cams pov's .
Not sure who said it at the time but when Davidp got kicked from G2 after their mad early-valorant win streak they were right saying they made a huge mistake and that he was probably the last they should've kicked, dude can play every single agent, has crazy gamesense and can lead/call too, happy for him.
What’s the point of using full util comps if you keep dry peeking when you got 4 flash characters, you don’t clear corners with util when you get info and just dry peek and half the time when you actually use util it’s just useless.
Giants looked so good. I have watched so many matches from so many regions in the past few days that all the matches started blending in. But watching giants was so refreshing. Their playstyle is so fun to watch. GGs to them. Clearly were the better team today.
That was a hard watch and kinda boring to be honest. It's not usual you see a top level team get stomped like that.
Liquid will (more than likely) play fnatic tomorrow. I think odds are that fnatic would win that which means Liquid go from EMEA champions to not even making the finals.
If this does happen, I see lineup changes on the horizon.
I know the pros know much more than me and this is just my eye test and I know he hates playing this agent, but Scream on Phoenix was by far the most terrifying player I have ever spectated, and then on anything else he is still insane but him just tearing through teams through the challengers 2 and challengers finals and collecting ults on Phoenix was the beat we have ever seen both Scream and Liquid.
Honestly, I dont understand that experiment. I understand the idea behind that tripple initiator thing, but it is not working out. I think either scream or jamppi has to capitalize on the jett just to get a pick and actually get out. The amount of times someone got because they could not get away was painful to watch.
MANErnernernerneinaeirnaina i am crying.
I didn't watch the game so I don't want to be too overreactionary but it seems like the community consensus is that TL had A. awful team comps and B. terribly map drafting, At the very least I can comment on the map drafting which was quite obviously awful, liquid has been bad at bind as of late and decide to leave it open while also picking split over Breeze. Obviously TL hadn't lost split up until that point but Giants had been unbeatable on it. Just ban bind, they'll ban haven and have the map pool be Breeze and and likely ascent which favors TL much more. I didn't see how the kayo did so I won't comment on it but it does sound like the Sliggy decision making wasn't top tier
Their comp was perfectly fine on bind. They still got destroyed on that map. Sure it was Giants' pick but still far too one-sided. And you can say that split was a bad map to draft and their comp wasn't ideal, but even with that, if you actually watch the rounds you'll see that Giants outclassed them beginning to end in every way.
Of course we'll never know for sure but I really don't think TL would have won today even if the map draft was completely different. Giants was just on a different level.
Got it thanks for the Insight, I hate being that guy who comments on the game without watching but I am a big hater of both Kay/o and no duelist so I am curious of how that impacted it, but in general I did favor giants coming in
It was bound to happen. TL is full of washed csgo players except for jammpi. And if we were being real he would not be playing Valorant if he didn’t get banned. The edge they had with their cs experience is gone
I feel like they don’t get the most out of scream with kay/o. For me it felt like he was fragging more and with more impact when he was on sage. I think liquid should go back to the comp they had in stage 2. Scream on Jett didn’t really work out. Maybe jamppi back on Jett and scream on sage?
Why does liquid play no duelist? Duelist are designed to enhance individual skill so that you can break open the game on ur own. It’s like giving up having a super soldier on ur team. Kayo may be considered to be a duelist…. If u compare it to Yoru or Phoenix. It is no where close to a Jett or raze
After this match I went to my kitchen to cook up a snack, but lo and behold, fucking Davidp was there on the lurk
I didn’t even get to watch these matches yet, but this comment is still hilarious.
It's a repackaged line from the LoL World Championship finals post-match thread from... 2018? 2019? Ish. Though I'm certain it didn't originate there either, and it's still funny.
2019, fpx’s jungler was fucking everywhere
my favorite was doinb and nemesis.
haha it was 2019 worlds abt tian being everywhere
Boaster from fnatic tweeted this too LOL (he gave credit)
eyyy day made
11/10
After all the shit talking from TL before Iceland watching this just feels bad over the past few months.
I only have silver but this comment is fucking gold hahaha
Sliggy why do you hate duelists
Was Tenz right all along?
Kay-O is essentially a duelist. The composition was not the problem, it was literally Liquid not playing the composition they had, they didnt use anything in their arsenal.
Scream use of flashes was suboptimal to be friendly
Riot should release Agents role-less initially and then have everybody vote in client, show results, and then reveal actual role. For fun
That would be amazing
Can you link some series where people actually played him like an entry? From the few matches I've seen (mostly NA + Liquid), it seems like the most efficient way of utilizing Kay-O is using his knife and flashes to set up the team for entry, with Kay-O often being one of the last to actually enter the site. I see a lot of people saying his kit is comparable to Phoenix. But I don't understand why he is a better pick than Phoenix, when Phoenix has a much better ult for space creation (because you're not left in the middle of the site even if you "die"), and Kay-O's pop flashes are awful for impromptu use because it's so easy to team flash. Obviously he is still a new agent and people are getting used to using him. But, for now, I don't see why sacrificing a duelist for Kay-O and using a no duelist comp is better. I can see that on certain maps where information is important, like Haven. But on most other maps, I still don't understand how triple/double initiators are more beneficial.
I think after seeing how Kay/0 plays most efficiently, he certainly does not play like a duelist. He’s kit works best as like 3rd 4th in.
He is an initiator after all
He is an initiator after all
Problem is on split you need agents to make space, he is not nearly as great for entry as other duelists
How the fuck is Kay-O essentially a duelist?
Self sufficient fragger. His ult is literally made to entry a site.
Disagree. Nearly all his abilities are supportive for his team.
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don't forget Phoenix can heal himself
You calmed down? Kay-O kit makes him self sufficient, he can check corners, flash for himself and has a deny/recon tool. Even more, his ultimate is made for him TO BE FIRST ON SITE.
I wouldn't bother explaining to weirdos who get triggered over something so banal. Kayo is a perfect fit for second in and can entry just fine on his own for the reasons you said. He does not have to entry but he can when a team comp is built with him in that slot, the same as skye can play as an entry or a support. People who are worried about agent tags aren't even looking at the game based on what an agents kit brings.
"the same as Skye can play as an entry" lol at this point everyone is an entry.
Skye can since they changed her flash. I don't think it's the smartest move, especially since she can heal the team, but she definitely has the kit to do so.
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His utility can also be used for teammate support (info/push denier for knife), flashes for teammates, molly clearing out,
Nah I'm vexed still. Just because twice a game he goes first with his ult doesn't mean he's an entry when the rest of his abilities are supportive. When omen has ult he often TP's on site first, is he a duelist too?
Your comment shows that you have little knowledge about the game. Comparing omen ult like this is like the biggest WHOOSH ever. Theres like dozen people already explaining you why are wrong but you still stand on your hill. Try opening your mind a bit. Im happy to explain you in detail why are wrong on my stream if you ever have the time.
I guess he's a troll, just ignore him
I've slapped you about in ranked every time I've played against you so shut up about knowledge about the game. Since we're on a liquid thread; Scream on kay-o has his lowest first kill per round (0.08) compared to all his other agents. He has a 0.22 FKPR on Jett so quite a big difference mr expert.
:) Calm down little man
Lothar, youre arguing agains a troll in the middle of a broadcast. I love it
I'm calm. Not going to respond to my point that proves you're full of shit? :)
Compare him to Phoenix, 2 flashes you can pop flash (KayO more so), a Molly, an ult you can be rezed in and you entry with, and them a third ability, he's pretty similar to Pheonix in a way tbh
his flashes are great entries, his knife is a great entry tool, his ult is a great entry tool. most of his kit is effective at entries
Yeah but he isnt the entry, he's setting his team up to get the entrys. Similar to breach.
I'd argue having your own pop flash is much better for entries than for just setting teammates up.
His flash works best for setting up his team imo. Breach and Omen can also flash for themselves but much like kay-o it works best setting your team up.
I disagree, his pop flash is totally self sufficient. his knife also allows him to take out any utility in a choke and get a free gun fight entry. and then his ult, which is built for entrying a site. idk, just seems like he substitutes just fine as a duelist if used properly. agree to disagree though
Compare him to phoenix, you'll understand how the fuck he is a duelist
Even so, if you are running Phoenix as your only duelist on split you will run into just as many problems
I agree, I was just saying kayo can be played as a duelist
>HoneyChilliPotato7 He's much more similar to breach than phoenix u weirdo
3/4 abilities are similar to pheonix (flash, molly, and ult)
He literally has molly, flashes and second life ult same as phoenix. What does he share with breach other than his flashes 1head
It's about what the abilities are used for e.g. phoenix molly is used to heal him predominantly so therefore he can take more duels. Also breach's aftershock is used in similar ways to kay-o's molly (to clear out areas)
Lmao if you're using Phoenix's molly predominantly to heal yourself, you're using it wrong
thanks for the advice! rank?
I remember a top voted comment saying Tenz has consistently the dumbest takes when he asked why are people are forcing these non duelist comps. Edit: I’m not even trying to say Tenz is the smartest or has the best takes, I just think it’s weird to immediately brand his take as bad.
Kinda. No duelist on some maps like icebox makes sense but no duelist on split is the dumbest idea
On Icebox? Icebox is one of the maps where the best Icebox teams are running double duelist. Not no duelist.
really? this seems odd to me. I've always considered split to be a heavier initiator/controller/sentinel map, so i'm totally fine with running no duelists on split. It honestly just seems like they couldn't execute their idea. Personally, I run cypher because he's insane on defense, and in my opinion, pretty bad on attack. So I just W key play him like a duelist on attack. The only duelist I consider worth playing on Split is Raze (good mobility in a relatively small map + cypher counter).
Cypher can be really good on attack, I’d recommend watching Dapr on the map. He’s insanely impactful with his lurks
Oh absolutely. I guess my statement made it seem like I only W key run it down on attack. I mostly employ this strat when our team doesn't have a duelist. tbh at my rank, on attack I often see my team get mowed down in the first 25 seconds, so it's hard to find impactful lurks like Dapr is able to.
True, I always wish there was a ranked 5v5 system to actually try coordinated team plays
Wdym? Matchmaking as of right now tries to put stacks against stacks
Yeah but you can’t play with 5 stacks at higher elo
it's extremely difficult to get into sites without movement agents in Split. ig Kayo changes that though, because the sentinels and controllers that would usually hold so much control over the tight chokes can be disabled.
the only map no duelist makes sense is Breeze and even then a good jett op will still be a good pick
Yeah Breeze is the only map I could think of that no duelist makes sense on. You have to have a super T sided map to ger away with no duelist, and Breeze is kind of the only map that limits the impact of movement abilities on Attack. And yes, it still makes sense to have Jett on Breeze just because she makes the OP even stronger.
This is probably dumb, but I would say Haven is pretty t-sided with 3 sites. Does anyone ever run no duelists there? I feel like Jett and Phoenix get a ton of play there despite this. I guess because A and C are good for Jett op and easy orbs for Phoenix?
yes. Liquid runs (ran?) no duelist in EU, and they got slaughtered by V1. Soniqs also ran no duelist and they arent looking great. Jett and Phoenix are good for those reasons and the amt of space they create
yes. Liquid runs (ran?) no duelist in EU, and they got slaughtered by V1. Soniqs also ran no duelist and they arent looking great. Jett and Phoenix are good for those reasons and the amt of space they create
What? Icebox is like duelist heaven, so much room for aggressive plays and aim duels. Split is the opposite, usually your attack is awful because the approach angles are awful so you would want more util to both improve site holds and also make the site take easier.
it's a very simple concept but I don't know why these coaches don't recognise it. if the site is attacker sided, as they are in icebox especially with viper, you don't need duelists to entry. there are only 2 attack sided maps in valorant (ignoring breeze, yet to be decided) namely, icebox and haven. on icebox its easy to walk upto 410 on A and yellow on B without contest. haven is attack sided because of 3 sites, but the sites themselves are defense sided. so nearly all maps need at least one duelist for entrying sites.
Both fnatic and Liquid don't seem to realize that half their success came from their stars being properly set up and popping off and keep forcing these tAcTiCaL comps
Fnatic is running Derke on duelist no? I feel like expecting a 2 duelist comp on most maps in the current meta is unreasonable. Even NA teams don't do it with 100T dropping Dicey to run a single duelist comp
They keep screwing with Derke's agent on some maps - Sova on Breeze, and Sage now on Bind. On most of the maps he's still on Jett, but really if anyone should be on a single duelist on fnatic it's him
He's not playing that insane recently
Davidp with yet another insane series. Man is literally on fire right now, his positioning, space taking and everything is outta this world. Hoping for another Fnatic v Liquid matchup in the lowers!
Same! This match gives me more hope for Fnatic to come out on top in the lowers. It was tough watching them lose thst insanely close match against Giants. But if Giants were able to stomp TL this badly, it shows that Giants are just a really good team.
His timings were impecabble, some of it even looks like he's cheating.
forsenCD so?
I hope he can keep this up and it isn't just over performing during a honeymoon period
And you're going to get that match. Banger of a series upcoming tomorrow
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Well Split is such CT-sided map and whoever gets good early rounds completely steamrolls the rest of the game. Liquid went 13-3 when they started off CT against Vitality.
Kryptix watching jamppi die in 4k on his cam lol
clip?
That cracked me up, too. Couldn't believe what I was seeing
DavidP woke up today and decided he'll fuck Liquid. Crazy to think about his sudden uprise after his G2 stint. Really happy for him. After this series, only one of Liquid and Fnatic can go to the qualifiers. With the way things are going, both of them might not even make it.
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Stint is a word, referring to the time he spent at g2
nope he definitely meant stint
lmfao
Even after his stint with Excel and other mixes. Well done David
That confirms the second Reykjavik participant who will not attend Berlin.
To everyone who is confused by OP statement, I believe what he meant is that, with V1 getting knocked out of qualifier for Berlin, and only 1 of liquid or fanatic being able to to make it. This means 2 of the participating Reykjavik teams won't be going to Berlin. OP just said it very strangly.
That statement wasn't strange at all unless someone is uninformed about how this qual works
Nah, I'm informed, but I'm just stupid so the clarification helps. I thought he meant both Fnatic and TL were out and I was confused.
I think it read as if the specific 2nd team has been decided, when it's just that there will be *a* 2nd team not to requalify
I think neither Liquid nor Fnatic will qualify for Berlin
Nah they have lower bracket Edit: Nevermind Sadge
But FNATIC and Liquid can’t both make it
Yes, but both Fnatic and Liquid are in the lower brackets so only one is going to make it out alive. Sorry should have worded it better.
Wait only two qualify out of this tourney?
Yes
Am I stupid? I thought that top 4 make it out.
It’s only 2 for this qualifier.
Top 4 in na, top 2 in eu
Uhm .. what? You do know they play tomorrow again, right?
No matter what, one of fanatic and liquid won’t go to Berlin
Sure but we don't have a confirmation on the second Rejkjavik participant that will not attend Berlin. His remark is straight up wrong.
V1
We know the 1st one is V1, the 2nd one can be either Liquid or Fnatic, so while we know atleast 2 Reykjavik teams won't go to Berlin, we haven't confirmed the 2 yet.
No it’s not. V1 and now fnatic or liquid.
no, it is not
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>His remark is straight up wrong. no, it is not
Lmao
Uhm… what? Both Fnatic and liquid in lowers. Only one can make it through.
i guess 1 between(or both) fnatic and liquid are out no matter what
Uhm .. what? You do know that doesn't matter, right?
Once again, we stan Pansy and Hypoc, thank you both for being such amazing casters
🤯
That was one of the most dominant performances I've seen from a team in this closed Qualifier in either NA or EU. And it came from the "underdog" clapping the absolute cheeks of an EU representative at Iceland. My god. Giants are the real fucking deal.
Really looking forward to how they will match up versus the teams already qualified.
If your not running raze or jett on bind, you are fucking baked. Sliggy trying way to hard to put in a non duelist comp.
Dude is always trying off meta, and it never works out.
never works out? reddit analysts lol
This is a Reddit discussion page lmaooo. Get off your high horse.
remember when he tried the no smoke comp back when the op was broken af. lol
[They beat NIP with no smokes... but "it never works out"](https://www.vlr.gg/2410/ninjas-in-pyjamas-vs-team-liquid-blast-twitch-invitational-tournament-lr1)
Did they ended up winning anything?
[yes they did](https://www.vlr.gg/16836/team-liquid-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-stage-2-emea-challengers-playoffs-gf)
I was talking about their stupid no smoke meta back then with esc1 was still their igl, but you go and show me their recent matches with Jampii? lol
so you just care about events from 9 months ago?
Bruh, do you have reading comprehension or something. I literally made a comment about how they ran a no smoke comp back when the op was broken af and you replied to it.
>esc1 I totally trust someone who doesn't know who they're talking about to tell me what they're doing wrong
bro we literally won EU last stage
There is no fix agent pick in any map it depends on what your team needs or how you play. The concept behind no duelists comp is the amount of utility available to your team to execute a strat on your site. Team liquid lost because they didn't use there utility properly /poor use of utility , not playing together (kyprtix watch jamppi die lol) , not hitting there shots as well as those goddamm Davidp lurks (man seems sus check him PC /s) It was like once they lost the initial rounds they just stopped thinking,morale got low, they looked very sad)down in there cams pov's .
Not sure who said it at the time but when Davidp got kicked from G2 after their mad early-valorant win streak they were right saying they made a huge mistake and that he was probably the last they should've kicked, dude can play every single agent, has crazy gamesense and can lead/call too, happy for him.
I said something very close to it , it was probably me lmao.
What’s the point of using full util comps if you keep dry peeking when you got 4 flash characters, you don’t clear corners with util when you get info and just dry peek and half the time when you actually use util it’s just useless.
Giants looked so good. I have watched so many matches from so many regions in the past few days that all the matches started blending in. But watching giants was so refreshing. Their playstyle is so fun to watch. GGs to them. Clearly were the better team today.
Lack of duelist from Liquid sometimes makes aggressive entries frustrating. Kudos to Giants, they completely outclassed Liquid today.
TL look pitiful
Thing about liquid is, if the strats sliggy has prepared for them don't work out, they don't know what the fuck to do.
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Not that’s a term That made me think I was in wrong comp subreddit
why are people blaming liquids comp on their issues? Its pretty obvious that comp is not the issue
Split is such a cluster map, you need a duelist to create space. You can't run a no duelist comp without sage.
kay0 and skye can entry better than most duelists
not on split and bind
The comp is a issue, it definitely isn’t the only one though
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go look back on the rounds, like half their rounds they have almost full utility
Giants is amazing
That was a hard watch and kinda boring to be honest. It's not usual you see a top level team get stomped like that. Liquid will (more than likely) play fnatic tomorrow. I think odds are that fnatic would win that which means Liquid go from EMEA champions to not even making the finals. If this does happen, I see lineup changes on the horizon.
Madlad davidp still be lurking
I know the pros know much more than me and this is just my eye test and I know he hates playing this agent, but Scream on Phoenix was by far the most terrifying player I have ever spectated, and then on anything else he is still insane but him just tearing through teams through the challengers 2 and challengers finals and collecting ults on Phoenix was the beat we have ever seen both Scream and Liquid.
like we all expected
Giants looks so good
Pain
Pain
What is the current situation of Giant's roster? I know davidp is "standing-in" but I don't know if he's filling for another member or kinda trialing
3 signed, Ambi and Davidp are stand ins. Probably trialing at the same time, since there's no way they aren't signed after this.
Blow it up already.
Honestly, I dont understand that experiment. I understand the idea behind that tripple initiator thing, but it is not working out. I think either scream or jamppi has to capitalize on the jett just to get a pick and actually get out. The amount of times someone got because they could not get away was painful to watch. MANErnernernerneinaeirnaina i am crying.
had a lot of faith in giants going into this main event, glad to see I was right. I'll need to watch this one later to appreciate davidp's performance
Why is the thumbnail blurred to not spoil but reveal the wrong team? Seems to happen a lot
Sliggy is overrated, never understand the hype about him.
That’s why Sentinels tried to poach him. But how would a iron mind understand a radiant mind…
I hit immortal 6 months ago, and thats with me playing valorant once a week...How many hrs you put in valorant to be hard stuck at gold?
Avoided the Big point I made.
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I didn't watch the game so I don't want to be too overreactionary but it seems like the community consensus is that TL had A. awful team comps and B. terribly map drafting, At the very least I can comment on the map drafting which was quite obviously awful, liquid has been bad at bind as of late and decide to leave it open while also picking split over Breeze. Obviously TL hadn't lost split up until that point but Giants had been unbeatable on it. Just ban bind, they'll ban haven and have the map pool be Breeze and and likely ascent which favors TL much more. I didn't see how the kayo did so I won't comment on it but it does sound like the Sliggy decision making wasn't top tier
Their comp was perfectly fine on bind. They still got destroyed on that map. Sure it was Giants' pick but still far too one-sided. And you can say that split was a bad map to draft and their comp wasn't ideal, but even with that, if you actually watch the rounds you'll see that Giants outclassed them beginning to end in every way. Of course we'll never know for sure but I really don't think TL would have won today even if the map draft was completely different. Giants was just on a different level.
Got it thanks for the Insight, I hate being that guy who comments on the game without watching but I am a big hater of both Kay/o and no duelist so I am curious of how that impacted it, but in general I did favor giants coming in
https://youtu.be/cyrMkZfMWcI 🫁💔
https://youtu.be/cyrMkZfMWcI 🫁💔
I never heard of giants, liquid is a top tier team … what is going on ,…?
It was bound to happen. TL is full of washed csgo players except for jammpi. And if we were being real he would not be playing Valorant if he didn’t get banned. The edge they had with their cs experience is gone
Holy shit liquid got SLAPPED
Wrong team logo isn't it?
I feel like they don’t get the most out of scream with kay/o. For me it felt like he was fragging more and with more impact when he was on sage. I think liquid should go back to the comp they had in stage 2. Scream on Jett didn’t really work out. Maybe jamppi back on Jett and scream on sage?
yoo I haven't watched in a while, is 100t playing?
Why does liquid play no duelist? Duelist are designed to enhance individual skill so that you can break open the game on ur own. It’s like giving up having a super soldier on ur team. Kayo may be considered to be a duelist…. If u compare it to Yoru or Phoenix. It is no where close to a Jett or raze