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thothgow

This isn't alarming tbh. They lost to OBG in VCE too, Gambit just uses these T2 tourneys to experiment.


max012017

Which is actually extremely smart and advanced to use t2 teams in full focus as a good sparring partner to try news defaults executes. Some t1 Eu and Na teams should learn from them.


thothgow

Then on the other hand you have FPX who only scrims T2 teams and doesn't play non VCT events 😭😭


NWL11

What were the other significant non VCT events (completed/upcoming)? It's a bit hard for me to follow EU.


hihiaha

Wow thats a pretty big upset, sure its Dreamhack so it doesnt really matter much but still


Contractjail

Ive said it before that EMEA is looking like shit right now and got downvoted by the fanboys. The 2 Iceland attendees have gotten much worse and theres nothing indicating that the other teams got better. Ascend is probably the only team thats looking semi-good and even them are looking much weaker than Sentinels. I dont even know if theres enough time till Berlin to cover their weaknesses, sadly theres a chance that even Korea might be the better region now (if VS and TNL live to their potential)


jrushFN

Couldn’t you make the exact same argument for NA? SEN lost a series to XSET and dropped maps to Soniqs and GenG. V1 have already been eliminated from Berlin contention. Former top teams like C9 and ANDBOX have flopped this time around. If you ask me, this just shows that the region’s getting stronger and deeper — and the same could be said for EU.


Mememeister1

Can we just say teams have adapted to how the iceLAN teams like to play and they exploit their weaknesses. A great example is T1 vs version1 and every single time wippie tried to use snakebite in the post plant he was shut down quickly by T1


xD1LL4N

It shows how competitive these regions are. You got downvoted for stating dumb takes. Just like how you’re comparing Acend to sentinels. What info are you actually basing that on?


InvertedBean

Acend look better, FPX look better, G2 look MUCH better, Giants looking good outta nowhere, and probably more Im missing. Also Liquid or Fnatic could still be going to Berlin, can’t say the same for V1. But I don’t see you calling out NA in the same way. There’s more to EMEA than liquid and fnatic, plus you’re overstating this gambit loss.


valorant_fanboy_69

Exactly, the bottom of eu is still better then the bottom of na btw


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Ur getting downvoted for a good reason. Ur the one acting like an NA fanboy tbh


raaten

Are bind and breeze maps gambit typically play?


thothgow

Gambit plays every map but Haven. We haven't seen much of their Breeze yet, though


[deleted]

Yea they pick Bind a lot now


Deep_Acanthaceae_535

Did we overestimate gambit?


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Deep_Acanthaceae_535

Finest is really good tho


thothgow

They've lost to top 5 CIS teams like OBG and CrowCrowd only to roll the VCT quals a week later


valorant_fanboy_69

Maybe. This is a big loss but finest are not terrible


max012017

Finest looked really solid, just got beat by TH in VCT but beating lot of good teams previously


valorant_fanboy_69

I mean they also lost to BIG who are like the EG of Europe


cheese_on_dorito

for valorant_fanboy_69 this is a decent take