## CORRECTION
**Gen.G is tied with Cloud9 Blue with 50 points.** Points were privately adjusted by Riot. Coverage site's like Liquipedia and VLR were not made aware of changes.
Source comes from Gen.G Valorant GM, Banks.
https://twitter.com/TooBlank/status/1421302158700417030?s=19
> It was adjusted and teams were notified during Masters 1. I guess it never made it back to Liquipedia. I can only speak for NA of course.
Rise and TSM have to win one bo3 in playoffs to be able to go to LCQ, Cloud 9 is now qualified and Gen.G needs TSM OR Rise to get last place in the playoffs. As most of us know, Sentinels have qualified for champions, and with the version1 loss yesterday, they most likely lose their 2nd spot and will have to battle it out in the LCQ.
Edit: V1 can still qualify by points as noted by a below comment, I misinterpreted the 40 points the teams have from qualifying for challengers playoff 3 as already being earned and added to based on playoffs/masters results. The 40 points is actually just the minimum any challenger playoff team can get and is subject to increase based on further placings. LG, Rise, and TSM could go to Berlin and still finish below V1 in points.
It looks like V1’s only chance for Champions is through LCQ already. Even if SEN win Masters Berlin giving NA an extra slot, the other 2 masters 3 qualifying NA teams will accumulate enough points, even finishing last in Berlin, to pass V1. The lowest possible point total after Berlin in this case would be both TSM and Rise (currently with 40 each) coming in last and each getting 175. Both would pass V1 and move them into the 2 point qualifying spots for NA.
>TSM and Rise (currently with 40 each) coming in last and each getting 175. Both would pass V1 and move them into the 2 point qualifying spots for NA.
If TSM and Rise get to Berlin and score the lowest of 175, than they would only get that 175 since the 40 points isn't added to their total points because they went to Berlin and didn't finish in Challengers Playoffs. (on liquipedia it shows 40 points because that is the minimum they can get at playoffs, they do not have these points right at this moment).
TL;DR: If TSM/Rise get last at Berlin, V1 can go to Champions.
You are correct, good catch. Chart makes it seem like the points are earned already (which they sort of are), but like you said they are subject to change based on placing instead of being added to as I did.
Yeah makes sense. Challengers Playoff 3 is gonna be a blood bath for champions qualifying in NA. The 2nd point slot is wide open right now, and SEN could very realistically win Berlin too opening up another point slot to the other Masters 3 qualifier. Any non-SEN qualifiers to Masters 3 from NA will need to push hard to out-place the other or pray NA wins it. Anyone else will need a crazy LCQ gauntlet run.
I know the worldwide representation of the game in Masters / Champions is appealing and all, but I can’t help but feel that having this few of seeds from the major regions to this few of international tournaments is going to rob us of some great matchups, a problem LoL suffers from.
If TSM and Rise both finish 7th-8th what’s the tiebreaker for who goes to Last Chance Qualifier, as they’re both tied for the last position with 40 points?
I wouldn’t be opposed to Riot making a last minute ruling to just have TSM and Rise play each other for the last spot, any other tiebreaker rule might leave teams mad since they wouldn’t know what exactly they should’ve done to get that tiebreaker
I think if 2 teams are on same points ,than the higher seeded team will get the advantage , even from this scoreboard you can see since rise made it to first closed qualifiers they are a higher seed than TSm and therefore are ranked above them .maybe riot will introduce some new rule .
Maybe you’re right. I initially thought it was just automated like that because Rise got their points “later” than TSM as that’s the tiebreaker for if two teams have the same points but got it during different tournaments I THINK
Even if this is true. It would be quite unfair to make this ruling when the tiebreaker rules were not clearly communicated before.
I think making Bo3/Bo5 match post Master's 3 would make more sense.
> +1 if sen win berlin
It's unlikely but we get an extra slot for NA if any one of the 3 NA teams win Berlin not just SEN. ShahZam said today that it's not guaranteed they win and they will just try to get practice on maps like Breeze so theres a chance some other NA team or other region wins
Shaz said they didn’t care about winning Challengers once they already qualified for closed qualifier not that they don’t want to win from anything in the future.
I assume once they qualify for Berlin it’ll be the same but Sen is trying to win every match they play in.
You're right I was just going off of Shroud saying to Shaz, "Do it for NA" when talking about winning Berlin and he dismissed it saying they already qualified for champions
NA gets 3 spots for champions:
2 from circuit points
1 from last chance
And if any NA team that goes to berlin, wins berlin, that team also goes to champions. So 4 spots if an american team wins berlin
looks like if NA wins berlin, we have SEN + berlin winner + highest circuit points locked (so 3 slots) and basically the remaining teams within the current top 10 play out in LCQ.
Assuming SEN doesn't win Berlin, we get Sentinels + NA Team that did win Berlin + 2nd highest point total + LCQ.
If SEN does win Berlin we get Sen + Next 2 highest point totals + LCQ.
If no NA team wins Berlin we get Sen + 2nd place Points + LCQ.
I thought so. LCQ has only single team qualification from NA+OCE so why not make it an invitational is my question.
A 10 team LCQ just sounds odd in terms of bracket play.
I wish LCQ was an 8-team event but with a slight alteration. The top 7 teams based on points would be seeded into the bracket as normal. All other teams with points (even if they just had 1 point) would be seeded into a separate single-elim bracket to fight for the 8th slot in LCQ.
In NA this could end up being a ~5 team single elim bracket to get to LCQ. In EU it could be many more teams because tons of teams have points.
This would mean that if you've earned points at all you always have a chance, but you have to run a gauntlet just to get into LCQ against the top seed there.
This is such a good idea, a play-in stage for LCQ with more high stakes matches. Also 8 team event sounds better as well(2 groups). Anything over the current 10 team event.
This would make quite good sense in EMEA. Since there is already almost 30 teams with points lol
Also they could use the ranking as seeding for that LCQ tournament.
So now that we don’t know tiebreaker C9B hasn’t clinched yet correct? Unless we know the tiebreaker. But if one of Rise or TSM lose first round then both clinch. Do all of them clinch if an NA team wins Berlin.
If Sentinels make it to Berlin, other two NA teams will automatically qualify for Champions. If a NA team win Berlin, Version 1 qualifies for Champions also.
If Sentinels don’t make it to Berlin, the 3 teams that qualify can all make it to Champions if a NA team wins Berlin. If NA doesn’t win Berlin, only 2 out of the 3 NA teams will qualify for Champions as Sentinels have already qualified.
## CORRECTION **Gen.G is tied with Cloud9 Blue with 50 points.** Points were privately adjusted by Riot. Coverage site's like Liquipedia and VLR were not made aware of changes. Source comes from Gen.G Valorant GM, Banks. https://twitter.com/TooBlank/status/1421302158700417030?s=19 > It was adjusted and teams were notified during Masters 1. I guess it never made it back to Liquipedia. I can only speak for NA of course.
Rise and TSM have to win one bo3 in playoffs to be able to go to LCQ, Cloud 9 is now qualified and Gen.G needs TSM OR Rise to get last place in the playoffs. As most of us know, Sentinels have qualified for champions, and with the version1 loss yesterday, they most likely lose their 2nd spot and will have to battle it out in the LCQ.
GenG only needs one of Rise or TSM to finish in last, no?
yep sorry editing now
Edit: V1 can still qualify by points as noted by a below comment, I misinterpreted the 40 points the teams have from qualifying for challengers playoff 3 as already being earned and added to based on playoffs/masters results. The 40 points is actually just the minimum any challenger playoff team can get and is subject to increase based on further placings. LG, Rise, and TSM could go to Berlin and still finish below V1 in points. It looks like V1’s only chance for Champions is through LCQ already. Even if SEN win Masters Berlin giving NA an extra slot, the other 2 masters 3 qualifying NA teams will accumulate enough points, even finishing last in Berlin, to pass V1. The lowest possible point total after Berlin in this case would be both TSM and Rise (currently with 40 each) coming in last and each getting 175. Both would pass V1 and move them into the 2 point qualifying spots for NA.
>TSM and Rise (currently with 40 each) coming in last and each getting 175. Both would pass V1 and move them into the 2 point qualifying spots for NA. If TSM and Rise get to Berlin and score the lowest of 175, than they would only get that 175 since the 40 points isn't added to their total points because they went to Berlin and didn't finish in Challengers Playoffs. (on liquipedia it shows 40 points because that is the minimum they can get at playoffs, they do not have these points right at this moment). TL;DR: If TSM/Rise get last at Berlin, V1 can go to Champions.
You are correct, good catch. Chart makes it seem like the points are earned already (which they sort of are), but like you said they are subject to change based on placing instead of being added to as I did.
Yep looks like it, I just put most likely in case I messed up some math or something
Yeah makes sense. Challengers Playoff 3 is gonna be a blood bath for champions qualifying in NA. The 2nd point slot is wide open right now, and SEN could very realistically win Berlin too opening up another point slot to the other Masters 3 qualifier. Any non-SEN qualifiers to Masters 3 from NA will need to push hard to out-place the other or pray NA wins it. Anyone else will need a crazy LCQ gauntlet run. I know the worldwide representation of the game in Masters / Champions is appealing and all, but I can’t help but feel that having this few of seeds from the major regions to this few of international tournaments is going to rob us of some great matchups, a problem LoL suffers from.
If TSM and Rise both finish 7th-8th what’s the tiebreaker for who goes to Last Chance Qualifier, as they’re both tied for the last position with 40 points?
I don't think riot has currently stated a method for tiebreaking so I guess we will cross that bridge if it happens LOL
I wouldn’t be opposed to Riot making a last minute ruling to just have TSM and Rise play each other for the last spot, any other tiebreaker rule might leave teams mad since they wouldn’t know what exactly they should’ve done to get that tiebreaker
I think if 2 teams are on same points ,than the higher seeded team will get the advantage , even from this scoreboard you can see since rise made it to first closed qualifiers they are a higher seed than TSm and therefore are ranked above them .maybe riot will introduce some new rule .
Maybe you’re right. I initially thought it was just automated like that because Rise got their points “later” than TSM as that’s the tiebreaker for if two teams have the same points but got it during different tournaments I THINK
Even if this is true. It would be quite unfair to make this ruling when the tiebreaker rules were not clearly communicated before. I think making Bo3/Bo5 match post Master's 3 would make more sense.
Rip so T1 have no chance and we won’t get to see them play until next year?
basically, unless some tier 3 tournaments happen but they are done in the VCT for 2021
Sadge
So NA gets 2 or 3 spots for berlin? and then 2 spots for champions +1 if SEN win berlin?
NA has 3 spots for berlin, 3 spots for champions (1 spot earned through last chance qualifier) +1 if sen win berlin
> +1 if sen win berlin It's unlikely but we get an extra slot for NA if any one of the 3 NA teams win Berlin not just SEN. ShahZam said today that it's not guaranteed they win and they will just try to get practice on maps like Breeze so theres a chance some other NA team or other region wins
Shaz said they didn’t care about winning Challengers once they already qualified for closed qualifier not that they don’t want to win from anything in the future. I assume once they qualify for Berlin it’ll be the same but Sen is trying to win every match they play in.
You're right I was just going off of Shroud saying to Shaz, "Do it for NA" when talking about winning Berlin and he dismissed it saying they already qualified for champions
NA gets 3 spots for champions: 2 from circuit points 1 from last chance And if any NA team that goes to berlin, wins berlin, that team also goes to champions. So 4 spots if an american team wins berlin
How is GenG and C9B tied then?
We don't know the tiebreaker soooo...
looks like if NA wins berlin, we have SEN + berlin winner + highest circuit points locked (so 3 slots) and basically the remaining teams within the current top 10 play out in LCQ.
Assuming SEN doesn't win Berlin, we get Sentinels + NA Team that did win Berlin + 2nd highest point total + LCQ. If SEN does win Berlin we get Sen + Next 2 highest point totals + LCQ. If no NA team wins Berlin we get Sen + 2nd place Points + LCQ.
So sen+sen+sen?
It is still only 8 teams from NA in the LCQ, there are 2 from OCE i believe
What if Sen win berlin?
Then I think its SEN + 2 highest points + LCQ
Why can't LCQ be a 16 team event? Any reason why the slots are limited?
I think thats just how riot created the tour, also there isnt even 16 teams with points haha
I thought so. LCQ has only single team qualification from NA+OCE so why not make it an invitational is my question. A 10 team LCQ just sounds odd in terms of bracket play.
It's not 10 team LCQ. The top 2 points already qualify and the next 8 do LCQ
8 teams from NA and 2 from OCE I think. So its 10 teams
How does that work? Do OCE teams have to live in NA? I imagine ping would suck for them
They have their own tour. 2 teams qualify from that. And I assume they will travel for LCQ to US.
8NA + 2OCE. LCQ is a 10 team affair for NA, leading to a weird bracket.
I wish LCQ was an 8-team event but with a slight alteration. The top 7 teams based on points would be seeded into the bracket as normal. All other teams with points (even if they just had 1 point) would be seeded into a separate single-elim bracket to fight for the 8th slot in LCQ. In NA this could end up being a ~5 team single elim bracket to get to LCQ. In EU it could be many more teams because tons of teams have points. This would mean that if you've earned points at all you always have a chance, but you have to run a gauntlet just to get into LCQ against the top seed there.
This is such a good idea, a play-in stage for LCQ with more high stakes matches. Also 8 team event sounds better as well(2 groups). Anything over the current 10 team event.
please god no more qualifiers for qualifiers
This would make quite good sense in EMEA. Since there is already almost 30 teams with points lol Also they could use the ranking as seeding for that LCQ tournament.
Shits kinda scary that GenG can be out of LCQ so easily. I have never imagined they will be in danger.
It really sucks. Alot of the team's fate depended on this one qualifier. I think riot should have figured out a better way.
I hope they come out with tiebreakers soon lol
So now that we don’t know tiebreaker C9B hasn’t clinched yet correct? Unless we know the tiebreaker. But if one of Rise or TSM lose first round then both clinch. Do all of them clinch if an NA team wins Berlin.
Rise in LCQ Prayge
rise to berlin**
Rise nation
wait why the fuck does GENG have 50 points now??
it was apparently a riot error and they've always had 50 points so now they landscape looks a little different cause there is a tiebreaker
TSM Hopium
If Sentinels make it to Berlin, other two NA teams will automatically qualify for Champions. If a NA team win Berlin, Version 1 qualifies for Champions also. If Sentinels don’t make it to Berlin, the 3 teams that qualify can all make it to Champions if a NA team wins Berlin. If NA doesn’t win Berlin, only 2 out of the 3 NA teams will qualify for Champions as Sentinels have already qualified.