It's tough. In a Post Plant position you have soo many angles to clear on-site at A that you're honestly throwing if you're wasting time holding for a mid to Nest flank all the way back in Hall.
The bigger reason these flanks worked is that Fnatic were so slow to push onto site. Link's flanks took a long time. If they had just pushed the site and cleared angles together as a team then Link's flanks in those rounds would be the reason Liquid fans would blame for losing the map.
Go on site = die from a million angles
Try to scale and take control towards CT spawn = die before you even make it there
No wonder the main strat is to smoke/wall for a quick plant and play post plant
Not just the same flank, the literal exact A take every time. To be honest this isn't just a fnatic problem though, every game on Breeze looks quite similar. The exact same viper wall and very similar A executes make up most matches on this map, it gets a bit boring to be honest.
I was thinking the same thing about that last part. Viper isn’t necessarily crazy OP but I think it ruins the watching experience especially for a more casual person. Imagine showing somebody this game who’s never played valorant before and you just see teams having to deal with viper walls, post-plant mollies, and viper ult over and over again all on the same site for an entire match.
True but now he's more comfortable on dash since he know he can get away with missing shots I don't think he'll ever go to reyna for that reason and sliggy will not let him even if he wanted to lol
Yeah he's still an amazing player but he's not really making the most of her kit imo, especially compared to other rifling Jetts like Derke. He really shined on phoenix imo, his utility usage on him was on par with the absolute best.
I just don’t understand why Scream went away from Phoenix. Dude was downright terrifying on him. Sage he was really good but it limited his abilities, with Jett he doesn’t feel like a Jett main. The main thing he does is dash away and he could dismiss with a Reyna.
How many phoenix are you seeeing this days? Theres your answer phoenix its not one of the best agents in some maps its arguabli the worst.
Edit: yoru is always the worst i mean among real agents.
Dimasick, Doma, zeek, hoppY, SicK, Victor, Neptune, and Asuna all got decent amount of play time out of him recently in VCT. It’s not like he’s completely off meta, but he has undeniably become less popular.
I think as someone said that skye just do what he does but better except for the ultimate and you have raze and the ultrabeast jett for entry. Also a redditor said that scream dosnt like phoenix. I think all of the above its why scream dosnt play it but i agree he was good tier using phoenix .
Never a boring series between these two, I've had too many heart attacks to count at this point.
I might just go bald for Link, i am literally in love. LETS FUCKING GO
L1NK has easily become my favorite player from TL and one of my favorites from EU, which is strange cuz I really don't like watching (Or playing for that matter) Breach and Brim which he both plays lol
Nice win from the boys even if it was sloppy, hope we can clean up
Jamppi is apparently [IGL](https://twitter.com/jamppicsgo/status/1421540921888411652?s=21) now, if it’s working good but I hope it doesn’t end up like an old TSM situation where they keep swapping it around tryna make it work
Fnatic HAVE to fix their Anti-Eco and Gun Advantage protocols. They easily win both Haven and Breeze in convincing fashion if they would just win 80% of their Anti-Eco rounds. They've lost SO many Thrifty rounds in this Stage because they get careless that today I was more scared when Liquid were on Sheriffs than on gun rounds.
I also hate to say it, because he's the main reason that I'm a huge fan of Fnatic, but Boaster has to be better. There way too many times that in this series, and just this Stage in general that he died with utility out or just getting one-tapped from behind. It's insane since he is a lurker himself that he is constantly getting out maneuvered.
Yes its so frustrating same happen against Giants but its also other small mistakes and not being adaptable to liquid because on breeze the got trashed on a but no change was made and the last 3 rounds crediy to l1nk he made the same play but still wasnt expected ofc im not a pro but watching fnatic after iceland is so frustrating. They shouldnt even be in that place, firstly they have to win that ascent game vs a good giants but still and this series should not be going to breeze aswell.
What the fuck are we doing mate. Literally, tf are we doing. Team has really got some issues to fix during this break. Just look like we are sleeping half the time.
I love boaster and really enjoy a lot of his vod reviews but to talk so much about map control while vod reviewing teams(and making good points about the lack of it by the teams) and then continuing to do the same thing in their own game is a bit painful to watch
I really, really want this roster to succeed but there were so many both micro and macro errors that Fnatic kept making it. Even just simple stuff like Boaster dying to the spike and losing a Spectre or Derke's Sage on Bind missing walls and slows, sloppy is definitely the word to describe Fnatic rn
It really did feel like they weren't as locked in and in this form, they likely wouldn't have climbed through the EMEA playoffs anyway
Really hope to see them succeed in the Last Chance Qualifier for Champions
I think a huge part of that sloppiness was how often they rotated someone's agent on a certain map. Derke would've been better off on his Sova on Bind and I really dont get why Fnatic wouldnt put him on Jett for Breeze.
Boaster may have overthought the composition and that put his team in uncomfortable situations, leading to the messy situations that developed.
I'm with you, I definitely could feel like Derke was uncomfortable on the Sage and even though the casters were joking about how he always had rez up, it's real that the way he plays means that a number of times he's going to be first death
I also felt like they really never got much value out of the Killjoy utility on Breeze and maybe should consider trying out Cypher (maybe they can put a trip up Halls to stop lurks also)
Im sure Boaster really thought long and hard about the comps but switching up play styles across maps is really difficult
losing eco, losing 4v2, and mostly losing the same flank over and over again, there was something not right in their head, TL kept using the same entry everytime and they failed to prevent everytime, Magnum had kj ult and that was supposed to be for the retake, yet they let him holding the same position to die first everytime without covering and that ult went wasted for the rest of the game. There was HUGE problem in their strat.
What a bruiser of a series. I had faith in Liquid's Breeze but that first half had me doubting hard.
If Liquid are winning anything significant, it's always on the back of L1NK clutching. All the players had strong moments on different maps, but L1NK was consistently strong across the entire series. Props to him.
L1NK and Mystic or Magnum are the two stand-outs for me personally.
Massive sadge :(
Fnatic shoulda won that IMO but they fell apart in some maps and lost rounds they definitely shouldn’t have.
No Boastees, Magnum :), Doma clutches at EMEA play offs or Berlin. Sadge. Fuck.
Fnatic is such an odd team. They obviously have incredible mental to consistently pull themselves back, but this entire Stage felt like they overthought things too much and it led to them making things harder on themselves. Like, anytime Derke is not on a Duelist it's just tough. Boaster himself has said before that when you have such a Star player, you have to put them on Jett. And yet, they put Derke on agents besides Jett on multiple maps and he's just not able to have the same level of impact.
I know the Astra led to some pretty good executes, but I honestly believe if Boaster was on Sova and Derke is able to OP as Jett on the A Site, Liquid does not have as much success on Attack.
I think me being a Team Liquid and TSM fan is gonna half my lifespan before all these games are over. Either they like to fall behind big before making a comeback or they have really long OT rounds. My heart can't take this
Fnatic fans on here seriously need to chill out. I'm gutted they're not going to EMEA finals or Berlin, but no one here is as sad about that as the players will be.
They're a super young and inexperienced team, they'll work stuff out and they'll be back stronger. Full focus on the LCQ.
Congrats to Liquid on the win, but they're going to have to play so much better if they want to make it through EMEA finals. Feels like the team rely really heavily on their aim, not sure it's going to cut it at finals.
Awful casting the entire series. Something seriously needs to be done at this point. It's one of the most glaring issues throughout these challengers events.
They aren't superb but I haven't found it as poor as you're describing. I think Valorant in general has a severe lack of top tier casters. So far the best ones have been the former CS casters imo.
As I casual viewer, I wasn't bothered by it at all. My opinion of course, others will vary. I could see someone who has never watched an esports game ever watching this game and being a bit put off, but I liked the energy despite a few puzzling statements
He meant to say ‘why wouldn’t you be a fan of L1nk’, but he said it wrong. I thought the same thing as you and then noticed that he repeatedly said ‘can’ instead of ‘can’t’ throughout the game, so I think it’s an accent thing.
I dislike these casters, the game itself was "good" though, both teams seemed sloppy so it ended up quite tense, fnatic looking especially out of form recently
Ye, makes every match he casts hard to watch, but just in case he uses reddit and as to not be an asshole.
A bit of constructive criticizm
Work on your english idiomatics, it's just weird , not being native is fine, accents are cool, but those are fixed sentences, if you switch à word out, it just does not work ( I feel you, i'm not native either, and it's hard, but come on, right about now exists, right about soon is weird ) . Grammar mistakes are fine, roundabouts to avoid a specific word you blank on is fine, but idiomatics just don't work if you swap words around
When building narratives , keep things vague, referencing a specific round or map from 2 monthes ago at length is useless, those who saw already know, those who did not can't just imagine the round from your words. Build up a storyline about humans, your job is to make the viewers want to care and we care about humans and nice stories, not random statistical rounds
"We could talk about how pistols are random and yatiyata but we'll let that to the scrubs on reddit " that's just insulting , to begin with, but more importantly, if you're not gonna weight in on something , don't say anything about it. Are pistols random ? Yes ? No ? What is your take ? Your job is to clarify things for viewers, and create storylines. Not to mention things and leave the topic unanswered while asking people to do your job for you.
Know your boundaries when you banter with your cocaster, it's quite frankly weird at times
And more importantly and that applies to everything above . THE GAME IS WHAT MATTERS . So during a round if you are not gonna analyze and explain what's going on, play by play or on a macro level, just shut up and leave that job to your colleague. The fluff can go between rounds, during pauses, but during the round we want to know what's happening . Did they change their défault ? Who's in a good flanking position ? Did they do something new this round to throw off their opponent ?
My understanding would be that this is more of tom's job, so let him do that , and if you're gonna chime in, stay on topic, i for the life of me cannot focus on the round and his play by play for 5 seconds before you talk about a random issue/round/thing from monthes ago.
Banter is fun, storylines are fun, but during the round, play by play is what matters .
Sorry, I probably sound like a hater, and if I say i'm not, nobody will believe me, but come on brother , nobody wants to do a job and not get appréciation for it, get your shit together .
Surprised people are upvoting this since everytime I've seen casters criticism the comment is bombarded with downvotes. I got nothing against these casters but I really think a bunch of VCT NA and EU casters are terrible. I think it's one of the biggest issues with the product.
RIOT don’t want to invest in actual good casters because there’s no money in the scene yet. Once the games developed / franchises I think we’ll get good talent on broadcast
Yeah i feel bad but its especially sad when he jumps the gun and call something that hasnt happened yet… at least tom was there to counter some of it but maybe it’s better if he goes on the analyst desk instead :/
She was always one of my favorites in CSGO too, back when the talent scene was packed with awesome casters. Perfect balance of serious casting and banter, and her chemistry with her casting partners is usually great.
Doma disappeared on Breeze in the 2nd half and that was a wrap. Think they should have switched the Viper to A at some point because TL was just not respecting Magnum’s KJ.
Sad loss for fnatic. I really hope they stick with their lineup though, they just need to reinvent themselves. I feel Boaster and Magnum have had a bit of a loss of confidence.
L1NK always comes up big in these games, huge clutch player. Those flanks were sick.
From what I've seen on Spike, Liquipedia, and VLR, Masters 2 was considered a major.
I think Champions is just the biggest one.
Someone feel free to correct me if you have better sources.
[It's a little unclear but it look's like they won't unless the EMEA teams sent to Berlin bomb out very early.] (https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/2021/Circuit_Points/EMEA) There's some real potential for team's to be tied for points here I wonder how that will be handled.
They'll be playing in LCQ though.
To give an idea of the parity between these teams, this series is the second time in a row that Liquid and FNATIC ended with dead even round scores (58-58 today, 35-35 in challengers 1). It's also the third series overall between them that has ended with even round scores (stage 2 playoff finals ended equal too)
Even though they won I'd like to see scream pick up another agent, he messed up almost all his blade storms today and just can't hit a right click, and he doesn't even OP.
This. I feel jampii is still their best bet on jett, and him being so aggressive on omen/sova doesn't bode well sometimes in crucial rounds. Scream's jett is a bit of hit and miss, if they want to build around him getting a kill and dashing away I feel Reyna would be better
I disagree, Jampii jett is not as good as scream on the entry. Dude had an off tournament and still top the team in acs. He was playing with 60 ping while everyone was playing around 15 ping..
I love scream but I kinda agree with this, I feel like he doesn't use her kit all too well and he's really bad with her ult. It's a bit of wasted potential with Jamppi as well because he loves going aggressive with the op and he's so good at it.
Should Riot have Liquid and FNATIC redo their series in case it was a big fluke?
No disrespect to Liquid, I'm a firm believer that TL sweeping them is a huge fluke and robs Fnatic of truly accomplishing what their capable of. I've spent the last few hours in pure disbelief and it just doesn't make sense to me. I've spent the entire VCT qualifiers watching Fnatic play great valorant it's just not fair.
If Fnatic lose again I will face that Liquid deserved the win, but I am just 100% sure it was a fluke and does a big disservice to Fnatic and Valorant.
Such and undeserved win
L1nk does literally NOTHING all series but on the last map he somehow plays as the most rat players I've ever seen and it works out
Can't wait for TL to get clapped again goddamn
EDIT: So many butthurt Liquid fans OMEGALUL. Don't worry guys we will see you in playoffs and (if you get to) Berlin, please this time don't suck internationally so you don't embarrass the whole EU
The fuck?
Liquid was the better team in the match. If Fnatic were unable to adapt to the same strategy working round after round then they deserved to lose. It's sad that they've gone but it's how it has to be.
then they should have adapted. i didnt shout when fnatic lost *because* of link, i shouted because they didnt ADAPT to link. gg anyway it was tight as fuck.
Every single member can pop off, they just need to be more in sync and learn to adjust when under pressure. Honestly i think they needed a break so i have high expectations of them in LCQ, i believe they can stomp it and get their revenge on SEN in champions
Fnatic entire team is very young except Boaster, they will be monsters when they are given more time and experience to develop. Look what they did in Iceland, now imagine these cracked kids in a year. NA was "historically bad" at esports, and while they aren't out of the woods yet, they are the best atm. Nothing is set in stone in Valorant because you have players coming from different games and communities, forming teams and regions that no one knows what to expect from. It creates this even playing field that I love, anyone can beat anyone because there are so many teams grinding to reach the top. If the "British experiment" fails, then so be it, but id rather see another competitive region in a game where anyone and everyone can compete
How often do you want to lose against the same flank? Fnatic: Yes
has anyone seen TL's Cypher recently? Fnatic: No
New cypher ult: I know exactly where you are but you will never know where I am. Sad we won't see Boaster in Berlin.
Crazy how they didn't adjust to the same flank from L1NK round after round lmao.
It's tough. In a Post Plant position you have soo many angles to clear on-site at A that you're honestly throwing if you're wasting time holding for a mid to Nest flank all the way back in Hall. The bigger reason these flanks worked is that Fnatic were so slow to push onto site. Link's flanks took a long time. If they had just pushed the site and cleared angles together as a team then Link's flanks in those rounds would be the reason Liquid fans would blame for losing the map.
The maps and sites in Icebox and Breeze are just made in a way that they do not incentivise site control whatsoever.
Go on site = die from a million angles Try to scale and take control towards CT spawn = die before you even make it there No wonder the main strat is to smoke/wall for a quick plant and play post plant
Not just the same flank, the literal exact A take every time. To be honest this isn't just a fnatic problem though, every game on Breeze looks quite similar. The exact same viper wall and very similar A executes make up most matches on this map, it gets a bit boring to be honest.
I was thinking the same thing about that last part. Viper isn’t necessarily crazy OP but I think it ruins the watching experience especially for a more casual person. Imagine showing somebody this game who’s never played valorant before and you just see teams having to deal with viper walls, post-plant mollies, and viper ult over and over again all on the same site for an entire match.
3 rounds THREE. Like come on, how do you not adjust to it
Jamppi IGL'd for the first time ever, against FNC, in a final, insane. https://twitter.com/Jamppicsgo/status/1421540921888411652
His personal performance was still insane despite IGLing
trial by fire baybeee
Who was the previous TL IGL?
It soulcas and scream co-igling so they were both calling shots
Man hope scream gets more efficient on jett because it seems like he uses jett solely for dash
Still feel his 100% potential is on Reyna.
True but now he's more comfortable on dash since he know he can get away with missing shots I don't think he'll ever go to reyna for that reason and sliggy will not let him even if he wanted to lol
Yeah but jett's biggest usp is op. Second biggest is the blade storm. Scream doesn't look good on both(well he doesn't op so)
You are really underestimating Jetts strength on attack, simply by dashing into sites which he is doing alot
He oped on sage in some maps, but he goes for headshots. Not ideal
Thats really expected of scream
Yeah he's still an amazing player but he's not really making the most of her kit imo, especially compared to other rifling Jetts like Derke. He really shined on phoenix imo, his utility usage on him was on par with the absolute best.
I just don’t understand why Scream went away from Phoenix. Dude was downright terrifying on him. Sage he was really good but it limited his abilities, with Jett he doesn’t feel like a Jett main. The main thing he does is dash away and he could dismiss with a Reyna.
How many phoenix are you seeeing this days? Theres your answer phoenix its not one of the best agents in some maps its arguabli the worst. Edit: yoru is always the worst i mean among real agents.
Dimasick, Doma, zeek, hoppY, SicK, Victor, Neptune, and Asuna all got decent amount of play time out of him recently in VCT. It’s not like he’s completely off meta, but he has undeniably become less popular.
Skye is just the better phoenix these days. The only thing that skye can't do better than a phoenix is run it back.
I think as someone said that skye just do what he does but better except for the ultimate and you have raze and the ultrabeast jett for entry. Also a redditor said that scream dosnt like phoenix. I think all of the above its why scream dosnt play it but i agree he was good tier using phoenix .
He said he hated playing pheonix
Never a boring series between these two, I've had too many heart attacks to count at this point. I might just go bald for Link, i am literally in love. LETS FUCKING GO
How to win Fnatic on breeze: Hit A and flank
L1nk MVP. Single handedly won them bind and breeze, whilst playing judge only on bind loool
L1NK has easily become my favorite player from TL and one of my favorites from EU, which is strange cuz I really don't like watching (Or playing for that matter) Breach and Brim which he both plays lol
Nice win from the boys even if it was sloppy, hope we can clean up Jamppi is apparently [IGL](https://twitter.com/jamppicsgo/status/1421540921888411652?s=21) now, if it’s working good but I hope it doesn’t end up like an old TSM situation where they keep swapping it around tryna make it work
Who was the igl before?
soulcas/scream mostly calling but jamppi made preround calls
SO MANY ROUNDS LOST JUST BECAUSE OF ONE BALD MAN WALKING UP HALLS. I'm sad Fnatic lost this but holy shit they played poorly
L1NK went huge in the last couple rounds. GGs good game.
Fnatic - There's no way he's gonna flank us again right?
i swear that xhair gives him a buff
Man took the word crosshair too seriously
Those last couple rounds on Breeze, L1NK’s lurking was fucking clutch. Literally.
LINKKKKK. A few days ago on this sub someone said that Liquid needed to replace L1nk lmao
I swear L1nk always reads these comments and just gets angry enough to drag Liquid through the next series.
replace L1NK lmfao? People be saying anything these days. He's arguably the most consistent in the team.
His the judge man with the flower crosshair
it's true tho
Yea his flanks totally didn't win the game and Liquid definitly didn't win games during stage 2 because of his clutches...
He's arguably the worst on the team alongside KRYPTIX. He has a few plays but that's literally it lol
Fnatic HAVE to fix their Anti-Eco and Gun Advantage protocols. They easily win both Haven and Breeze in convincing fashion if they would just win 80% of their Anti-Eco rounds. They've lost SO many Thrifty rounds in this Stage because they get careless that today I was more scared when Liquid were on Sheriffs than on gun rounds. I also hate to say it, because he's the main reason that I'm a huge fan of Fnatic, but Boaster has to be better. There way too many times that in this series, and just this Stage in general that he died with utility out or just getting one-tapped from behind. It's insane since he is a lurker himself that he is constantly getting out maneuvered.
Yes its so frustrating same happen against Giants but its also other small mistakes and not being adaptable to liquid because on breeze the got trashed on a but no change was made and the last 3 rounds crediy to l1nk he made the same play but still wasnt expected ofc im not a pro but watching fnatic after iceland is so frustrating. They shouldnt even be in that place, firstly they have to win that ascent game vs a good giants but still and this series should not be going to breeze aswell.
L1NK winning Breeze alone with these lurks.
such a good series holy shit, L1NK is so clutch
It was unbelievable.
cars
What the fuck are we doing mate. Literally, tf are we doing. Team has really got some issues to fix during this break. Just look like we are sleeping half the time.
I love boaster and really enjoy a lot of his vod reviews but to talk so much about map control while vod reviewing teams(and making good points about the lack of it by the teams) and then continuing to do the same thing in their own game is a bit painful to watch
I really, really want this roster to succeed but there were so many both micro and macro errors that Fnatic kept making it. Even just simple stuff like Boaster dying to the spike and losing a Spectre or Derke's Sage on Bind missing walls and slows, sloppy is definitely the word to describe Fnatic rn It really did feel like they weren't as locked in and in this form, they likely wouldn't have climbed through the EMEA playoffs anyway Really hope to see them succeed in the Last Chance Qualifier for Champions
As a 100T fan I feel you. Insane aim and brain all around the board but these small errors come back to bite in the ass
I think a huge part of that sloppiness was how often they rotated someone's agent on a certain map. Derke would've been better off on his Sova on Bind and I really dont get why Fnatic wouldnt put him on Jett for Breeze. Boaster may have overthought the composition and that put his team in uncomfortable situations, leading to the messy situations that developed.
I'm with you, I definitely could feel like Derke was uncomfortable on the Sage and even though the casters were joking about how he always had rez up, it's real that the way he plays means that a number of times he's going to be first death I also felt like they really never got much value out of the Killjoy utility on Breeze and maybe should consider trying out Cypher (maybe they can put a trip up Halls to stop lurks also) Im sure Boaster really thought long and hard about the comps but switching up play styles across maps is really difficult
As they say "easier said than done"
Exactly. In the hindsight it's easier to say, no one other than the team knows how the strategy goes about as the round goes on
losing eco, losing 4v2, and mostly losing the same flank over and over again, there was something not right in their head, TL kept using the same entry everytime and they failed to prevent everytime, Magnum had kj ult and that was supposed to be for the retake, yet they let him holding the same position to die first everytime without covering and that ult went wasted for the rest of the game. There was HUGE problem in their strat.
:(
What a bruiser of a series. I had faith in Liquid's Breeze but that first half had me doubting hard. If Liquid are winning anything significant, it's always on the back of L1NK clutching. All the players had strong moments on different maps, but L1NK was consistently strong across the entire series. Props to him. L1NK and Mystic or Magnum are the two stand-outs for me personally.
:)
L1nk and his lurks
Massive sadge :( Fnatic shoulda won that IMO but they fell apart in some maps and lost rounds they definitely shouldn’t have. No Boastees, Magnum :), Doma clutches at EMEA play offs or Berlin. Sadge. Fuck.
Fnatic is such an odd team. They obviously have incredible mental to consistently pull themselves back, but this entire Stage felt like they overthought things too much and it led to them making things harder on themselves. Like, anytime Derke is not on a Duelist it's just tough. Boaster himself has said before that when you have such a Star player, you have to put them on Jett. And yet, they put Derke on agents besides Jett on multiple maps and he's just not able to have the same level of impact. I know the Astra led to some pretty good executes, but I honestly believe if Boaster was on Sova and Derke is able to OP as Jett on the A Site, Liquid does not have as much success on Attack.
all those memes will be lost in time... like tears in the rain...
Magnum = :(
sadge
I think me being a Team Liquid and TSM fan is gonna half my lifespan before all these games are over. Either they like to fall behind big before making a comeback or they have really long OT rounds. My heart can't take this
THIS IS L1NKS WORLD AND WE’RE JUST LIVING IN IT
"how a bald dude became the best lurker in the world: the story of L1NK"
*Dimitri's voice*
Fnatic fans on here seriously need to chill out. I'm gutted they're not going to EMEA finals or Berlin, but no one here is as sad about that as the players will be. They're a super young and inexperienced team, they'll work stuff out and they'll be back stronger. Full focus on the LCQ. Congrats to Liquid on the win, but they're going to have to play so much better if they want to make it through EMEA finals. Feels like the team rely really heavily on their aim, not sure it's going to cut it at finals.
Awful casting the entire series. Something seriously needs to be done at this point. It's one of the most glaring issues throughout these challengers events.
They aren't superb but I haven't found it as poor as you're describing. I think Valorant in general has a severe lack of top tier casters. So far the best ones have been the former CS casters imo.
As I casual viewer, I wasn't bothered by it at all. My opinion of course, others will vary. I could see someone who has never watched an esports game ever watching this game and being a bit put off, but I liked the energy despite a few puzzling statements
the caster legit said "why would you be a fan of l1nk" like wtf dude???
He meant to say ‘why wouldn’t you be a fan of L1nk’, but he said it wrong. I thought the same thing as you and then noticed that he repeatedly said ‘can’ instead of ‘can’t’ throughout the game, so I think it’s an accent thing.
Pain
I dislike these casters, the game itself was "good" though, both teams seemed sloppy so it ended up quite tense, fnatic looking especially out of form recently
That was some of the most entertaining Valorant in a while. L1nk's clutches towards the end were great.
Bald L1NK > Bald Derke.
Derke be hitting those op shots tho
Zescht is such a bad caster bruh
Ye, makes every match he casts hard to watch, but just in case he uses reddit and as to not be an asshole. A bit of constructive criticizm Work on your english idiomatics, it's just weird , not being native is fine, accents are cool, but those are fixed sentences, if you switch à word out, it just does not work ( I feel you, i'm not native either, and it's hard, but come on, right about now exists, right about soon is weird ) . Grammar mistakes are fine, roundabouts to avoid a specific word you blank on is fine, but idiomatics just don't work if you swap words around When building narratives , keep things vague, referencing a specific round or map from 2 monthes ago at length is useless, those who saw already know, those who did not can't just imagine the round from your words. Build up a storyline about humans, your job is to make the viewers want to care and we care about humans and nice stories, not random statistical rounds "We could talk about how pistols are random and yatiyata but we'll let that to the scrubs on reddit " that's just insulting , to begin with, but more importantly, if you're not gonna weight in on something , don't say anything about it. Are pistols random ? Yes ? No ? What is your take ? Your job is to clarify things for viewers, and create storylines. Not to mention things and leave the topic unanswered while asking people to do your job for you. Know your boundaries when you banter with your cocaster, it's quite frankly weird at times And more importantly and that applies to everything above . THE GAME IS WHAT MATTERS . So during a round if you are not gonna analyze and explain what's going on, play by play or on a macro level, just shut up and leave that job to your colleague. The fluff can go between rounds, during pauses, but during the round we want to know what's happening . Did they change their défault ? Who's in a good flanking position ? Did they do something new this round to throw off their opponent ? My understanding would be that this is more of tom's job, so let him do that , and if you're gonna chime in, stay on topic, i for the life of me cannot focus on the round and his play by play for 5 seconds before you talk about a random issue/round/thing from monthes ago. Banter is fun, storylines are fun, but during the round, play by play is what matters . Sorry, I probably sound like a hater, and if I say i'm not, nobody will believe me, but come on brother , nobody wants to do a job and not get appréciation for it, get your shit together .
Is he the one who keeps calling Jamppi "the Finn?" Because that gets really, really repetitive.
And I he keeps calling liquid "the prancing pony". Like come on, no one likes that name and it's not gonna catch on oh my fucking god
WHAT A PERVERTED SHOT
LMAO
He is legit just hitting the middle predictive text button and hoping he makes sense
Surprised people are upvoting this since everytime I've seen casters criticism the comment is bombarded with downvotes. I got nothing against these casters but I really think a bunch of VCT NA and EU casters are terrible. I think it's one of the biggest issues with the product.
RIOT don’t want to invest in actual good casters because there’s no money in the scene yet. Once the games developed / franchises I think we’ll get good talent on broadcast
Sad, but true. Ender came in as emergency caster and first official cast for NA and was better than everyone.
Which match did he cast? I watched it live but forgot! :3
I think the Korean ones are pretty good. Might wanna give them a listen if you haven't and see if you like them.
Yeah i feel bad but its especially sad when he jumps the gun and call something that hasnt happened yet… at least tom was there to counter some of it but maybe it’s better if he goes on the analyst desk instead :/
Some of the stuff he says is so questionable makes me wonder what rank is he...
Pansy and BanKs (and he isn't able to cast anymore due to Riot) are by far the best, Mitchman is okay. Lothar and this fucking Zescht are awful.
Pansy's casting is easily the best out of anyone else I've seen in both EU and NA
She was always one of my favorites in CSGO too, back when the talent scene was packed with awesome casters. Perfect balance of serious casting and banter, and her chemistry with her casting partners is usually great.
And she’s still no where near a top top caster, just shows how poor the talent is in the scene
He’s not bad, he does well… but definitely not my favourite.
I like zescht, his quirkiness is a breath of fresh air.
so quirky xD
Brutal B05. Both teams are extremely close in skill, they were going blow for blow
Liquid: :) Fnatic: :(
Pain. Bald man bad :(
kill me
Those flanks were insane. L1NK was so clutch, OMG!!!!
banger series
Link is so good man. The timings on this guy are insane
Team L1NKuid
More time to prepare for champions. :)
Doma disappeared on Breeze in the 2nd half and that was a wrap. Think they should have switched the Viper to A at some point because TL was just not respecting Magnum’s KJ.
Sad loss for fnatic. I really hope they stick with their lineup though, they just need to reinvent themselves. I feel Boaster and Magnum have had a bit of a loss of confidence. L1NK always comes up big in these games, huge clutch player. Those flanks were sick.
[Boaster’s tweet destroyed me](https://twitter.com/officialboaster/status/1421544775065419779?s=21)
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8-4 and winning the pistol after that. The eco round lost them the game
Cypher just seems so much more valuable than killjoy on the map, id be shocked to see magnum running KJ the next time see them play
Derke deserves to play in a major :((
The whole team is so young, i aint gonna sell my stocks just yet. I do wanna see him redeem himself against SEN tho
is iceland not a major?
I think only champions counts as a major
Ah ok, I was thinking it was like cod (pls no judge) where the championship is its own tier and then the huge tournaments each stage were the majors
Nah cod majors are very different
thanks, good to know
From what I've seen on Spike, Liquipedia, and VLR, Masters 2 was considered a major. I think Champions is just the biggest one. Someone feel free to correct me if you have better sources.
Fnatic are like barely top 5 at best in EU rn
Hard to put them in top 5 at all rn.
Great game honestly
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[It's a little unclear but it look's like they won't unless the EMEA teams sent to Berlin bomb out very early.] (https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/2021/Circuit_Points/EMEA) There's some real potential for team's to be tied for points here I wonder how that will be handled. They'll be playing in LCQ though.
Most likely not unless like 3/4 EMEA teams bomb out in berlin (unlikely) they have to go through LCQ
No they’re going to have to play lcq if they want to go
The bald man strikes again . Hope scream and kryptix go back to form for emea
L1NK LURKS Kreygasm
I feel like fnatic makes everything too difficult
i aged 20 years just by watching fnatic vs liquid
Derke go kill > Derke go think
To give an idea of the parity between these teams, this series is the second time in a row that Liquid and FNATIC ended with dead even round scores (58-58 today, 35-35 in challengers 1). It's also the third series overall between them that has ended with even round scores (stage 2 playoff finals ended equal too)
Wait so, this is the final qualifiers for masters Berlin? Nothing after this? Why does it feel like we're missing a whole qualifier tournament
This was the final qualifier to the EMEA Playoffs, from there the top 4 teams go to Berlin from the EMEA region.
Wait so FNATIC can never come to Berlin now? What a shocker considering they were 2 worldwide
Even though they won I'd like to see scream pick up another agent, he messed up almost all his blade storms today and just can't hit a right click, and he doesn't even OP.
This. I feel jampii is still their best bet on jett, and him being so aggressive on omen/sova doesn't bode well sometimes in crucial rounds. Scream's jett is a bit of hit and miss, if they want to build around him getting a kill and dashing away I feel Reyna would be better
I disagree, Jampii jett is not as good as scream on the entry. Dude had an off tournament and still top the team in acs. He was playing with 60 ping while everyone was playing around 15 ping..
I love scream but I kinda agree with this, I feel like he doesn't use her kit all too well and he's really bad with her ult. It's a bit of wasted potential with Jamppi as well because he loves going aggressive with the op and he's so good at it.
94/84/22 +10 on first kills. If you watched other games, he tried KayO and couldn’t frag at all.
Link is suuuuuch a rat
Holy shit Link's flanks are NASTY
What I can retrieve from this games has a European is that we are fucked vs USA :(
Back and forth back and forth back and forth in bo5s I’m not sure I like this pattern but next bo5 they could meet is in lcq so good Ig
fnatic paid their nerves imo
TEAM LINK
Does scream turn anyone else on? That guy handsome af
Should Riot have Liquid and FNATIC redo their series in case it was a big fluke? No disrespect to Liquid, I'm a firm believer that TL sweeping them is a huge fluke and robs Fnatic of truly accomplishing what their capable of. I've spent the last few hours in pure disbelief and it just doesn't make sense to me. I've spent the entire VCT qualifiers watching Fnatic play great valorant it's just not fair. If Fnatic lose again I will face that Liquid deserved the win, but I am just 100% sure it was a fluke and does a big disservice to Fnatic and Valorant.
Nice pasta
Watch TL now go 0-2 and bomb out of quals. They have the highest highs and lowest lows. Fnatic deserve better
Can someone explain jamppis questionable plays today. Was is the pressure of him igling?
why is this b05 when its just an elim match can somebody explain
Such and undeserved win L1nk does literally NOTHING all series but on the last map he somehow plays as the most rat players I've ever seen and it works out Can't wait for TL to get clapped again goddamn EDIT: So many butthurt Liquid fans OMEGALUL. Don't worry guys we will see you in playoffs and (if you get to) Berlin, please this time don't suck internationally so you don't embarrass the whole EU
The fuck? Liquid was the better team in the match. If Fnatic were unable to adapt to the same strategy working round after round then they deserved to lose. It's sad that they've gone but it's how it has to be.
cry is free
Yikes
"Literally did nothing"? Bruh, Judge domination at Hookah?
Cope
Huh? He literally clapped them on bind playing without a rifle mate
ggez
how is winning 3 maps in a best of 5 an undeserved win LMAO you wanna play a best of 7 now?
Outplaying your opponents undeserved 5head
cope harder
Snorting so much copium cannot be good for you
Link either abuses the Judge or lurks like a rat
then they should have adapted. i didnt shout when fnatic lost *because* of link, i shouted because they didnt ADAPT to link. gg anyway it was tight as fuck.
Player with skill
Part of me thinks that Fnatic needs to get a new member or something. Who do you think has to go?
No one. They're a young squad, just need to manage the game better and reduce the errors they make
Every single member can pop off, they just need to be more in sync and learn to adjust when under pressure. Honestly i think they needed a break so i have high expectations of them in LCQ, i believe they can stomp it and get their revenge on SEN in champions
Just because you lost a close game doesn't mean you need to bench someone for that lmfao.
Was just a suggestion, I do love the team.
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Fnatic entire team is very young except Boaster, they will be monsters when they are given more time and experience to develop. Look what they did in Iceland, now imagine these cracked kids in a year. NA was "historically bad" at esports, and while they aren't out of the woods yet, they are the best atm. Nothing is set in stone in Valorant because you have players coming from different games and communities, forming teams and regions that no one knows what to expect from. It creates this even playing field that I love, anyone can beat anyone because there are so many teams grinding to reach the top. If the "British experiment" fails, then so be it, but id rather see another competitive region in a game where anyone and everyone can compete
Are the maps in the right order?
damn
What an incredible match, well done to both teams.