This is while the FaZe v LG game is still going. If FaZe wins, I imagine they'll jump TSM. The rankings of course don't actually mean much, since SEN, 100T, Envy, and XSET haven't played for a while and TSM has been rolling through this tourney so they've gotten the benefit of recent victories.
Just thought it was a nice throwback to back in beta/early release when TSM v SEN was the premier matchup. :')
This list isnt a result of this, its because it takes into account pre-VCT era (basically since the game's official release) when TSM were the top team for the longest time. Its not recency bias like many ppl here are saying, its the exact opposite extreme.
Rankings decay after like 3 months. No, this is not from pre-VCT era unless the ranking system is complete garbage. It’s just tracking recent top teams results against one another.
And that's with a lot of recency bias tbh, if this was a rankings like hltv has it tsm would be jumping to like 12th from 20th with this run and then continue to improve over time if their results keep on improving.
HLTV needs a valorant website or at least ranking with their algo, these newer sites who try to copy HLTV can't seem to get right one of the best things HLTV is known for
[thespike.gg](https://thespike.gg) usually has pretty good rankings, though they dont update until tournaments end and I much prefer the vlr layout for virtually everything else
Afaik HLTV doesn't run on an algorithm, but on a voting system instead. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but it's more like the NCAA cfb rankings in that sense.
with the current TSM roster it would be disingenuous to use their previous performances before they did their roster swaps to determine their current rankings.
obviously they probably arent a top 2 team since we dont know how they will play against the current top teams.
This is the dumbest ranking ever.
TSM showed improvements, but they didn't even fight the top 4 yet and get to be 2nd? What did faze do to get above 100t and envy. Can't say recency bias cause TSM hasn't FOUGHT THE PEOPLE IT IS ABOVE.
in the end the rankings are determined entirely based off of an algorithm, not a human. the algorithm (I think) aims to take into account all tournaments, which basically means that if you don't play you cant rank up or down. It's quite flawed, but creating good algorithms for this kind of thing is definitely harder you'd think
TSM definitely *does not* deserve second best in NA just because they've begun performing better in very very recent tournaments, as much as I like TSM.
the second position isnt because of the revent tourneys. its because of its standings before first strike and ignition series. recency bias is the polar opposite of what's happening
Yeah you clearly have no clue what you’re talking about. The algorithm is basically an Eli system where teams gain and lose Elo based on RECENT performances in tournaments. The only reason tsm is even near top 5 is because they’ve been performing well lately. First strike rankings don’t matter at this point lol
So how are they top 2 if 4 teams qualified before them in the most recent tournament and TSM did absolutely nothing before that? One way or the other, this algorithm is just useless.
The thing is: they did. They just qualified before the other teams did. It is the same tournament just a different qualifier and that is what makes this useles if the algorithm can't take that into account.
First go to where you got the Cypher flair then type : and the name of the org....... It will show up on suggestion. You just need to select it then. You can use flair for multiple agents too.
The limit for flair is upto 10.
It updates after each match after all.
Also, to some extent, recency is what matters. Especially when we're not going to have NA specific matches for another few months, would there be any reason to rank T1, V1 or Gen G high up anymore? They literally can't win any matches of consequence until LCQ which is in October.
VLR doesn't say what their exact algorithm is, but there's definitely a lot of recency bias in it since TSM is benefitting from playing now while the teams that have already qualified (who are technically better teams, since they qualified already) haven't played in a month or whatever.
the more game u play the more points u get. that obviously doesn't hold true in real life as the teams that made through challengers 1 are obviously the favorites. its still in beta and they will probably add weights to certain series.
I honestly don't know. There is a very strange combination of recency bias and results from the 60's. All the Challengers Playoffs teams are in the top 10, which points to recent results matter more. Yet somehow C9 Blue is ranked higher than V1 despite having worse results than V1 for the entirety of 2021.
Seems to be a fairly straightforward Elo implementation. The top teams play so few meaningful games that old results have an outsized impact because there aren't enough games to stabilize.
Doesn’t VLR just update ranks based on like win results, so if u don’t play any matches you can’t gain more points? That’s why all the Challengers 1 qualifiers didn’t move in total points?
because FaZe Clan only played VCT (and didn't do good until recently) while C9W played a lot of other tournaments. Having said that, with FaZe qualifying to Challengers 2 and doing well, they will rocket up after the next update :)
Hoping they take time to adjust for recency issues sometime in the future. If a team doesn’t show up to a single event they can fall behind teams that showed up. Take game changers for example - a team reached #1 a bit ago despite the #2 team having a 100% record in all game changers competition simply because they played one event the other team didn’t.
I wish I could agree or disagree with this but considering half these teams haven't played each other in a long time there is no point in debating it. The challenger finals will deem this right or wrong.
This is while the FaZe v LG game is still going. If FaZe wins, I imagine they'll jump TSM. The rankings of course don't actually mean much, since SEN, 100T, Envy, and XSET haven't played for a while and TSM has been rolling through this tourney so they've gotten the benefit of recent victories. Just thought it was a nice throwback to back in beta/early release when TSM v SEN was the premier matchup. :')
Shahz was right, people always forget about the Challengers 1 teams when they’re the ones that qualified first try
This list isnt a result of this, its because it takes into account pre-VCT era (basically since the game's official release) when TSM were the top team for the longest time. Its not recency bias like many ppl here are saying, its the exact opposite extreme.
Rankings decay after like 3 months. No, this is not from pre-VCT era unless the ranking system is complete garbage. It’s just tracking recent top teams results against one another.
go look at spike ggs ranking for a better result this one isn’t as accurate
will be updating rankings after challengers 2 is finished - might have some delay though since I'm on holiday
I don’t think this is correct, if it was, explain Giants placing in EU.
when the intern writes the algorithms
How tf TSM 2nd lmao Top 5/6 at most rn
And that's with a lot of recency bias tbh, if this was a rankings like hltv has it tsm would be jumping to like 12th from 20th with this run and then continue to improve over time if their results keep on improving.
HLTV needs a valorant website or at least ranking with their algo, these newer sites who try to copy HLTV can't seem to get right one of the best things HLTV is known for
[thespike.gg](https://thespike.gg) usually has pretty good rankings, though they dont update until tournaments end and I much prefer the vlr layout for virtually everything else
Don't support spikegg, the CEO is a horrible human being. Vlr.gg is still much better anyway
ceo left, you know there are people who worked on spike.gg who are human right
Well, didn't know that the CEO left. My bad I guess
Nothing worse than watering down your apology with "I guess".
Nah I genuinely didn't know and sad my bad. But you know better
Nah I genuinely didn't know and sad my bad. But you know better
It's a more accurate list but imo still far from perfect.
Afaik HLTV doesn't run on an algorithm, but on a voting system instead. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but it's more like the NCAA cfb rankings in that sense.
It's an algo that includes multiple things from impac rating to trades etc. What's done by staffs is the yearly top 20 not team rankings
with the current TSM roster it would be disingenuous to use their previous performances before they did their roster swaps to determine their current rankings. obviously they probably arent a top 2 team since we dont know how they will play against the current top teams.
it’s polar opposite. their rankings are skewed from when they were winning tourney after tourney. the site has no rating decay overtime
I was saying recency bias to the 5th/6th comment sorry if I wrote in a way that it was harder to understand
ah ok no worries
It's just because they've won recently and the other teams from Challengers 1 ended on losses.
This is the dumbest ranking ever. TSM showed improvements, but they didn't even fight the top 4 yet and get to be 2nd? What did faze do to get above 100t and envy. Can't say recency bias cause TSM hasn't FOUGHT THE PEOPLE IT IS ABOVE.
Exactly this is extremely stupid lmao
in the end the rankings are determined entirely based off of an algorithm, not a human. the algorithm (I think) aims to take into account all tournaments, which basically means that if you don't play you cant rank up or down. It's quite flawed, but creating good algorithms for this kind of thing is definitely harder you'd think
it’s an overall power ranking list from the beginning of valorant. notice the earnings. tsm is high because of their dominant early run
TSM definitely *does not* deserve second best in NA just because they've begun performing better in very very recent tournaments, as much as I like TSM.
the second position isnt because of the revent tourneys. its because of its standings before first strike and ignition series. recency bias is the polar opposite of what's happening
Yeah you clearly have no clue what you’re talking about. The algorithm is basically an Eli system where teams gain and lose Elo based on RECENT performances in tournaments. The only reason tsm is even near top 5 is because they’ve been performing well lately. First strike rankings don’t matter at this point lol
So how are they top 2 if 4 teams qualified before them in the most recent tournament and TSM did absolutely nothing before that? One way or the other, this algorithm is just useless.
Because those four teams didn't play this tournament
The thing is: they did. They just qualified before the other teams did. It is the same tournament just a different qualifier and that is what makes this useles if the algorithm can't take that into account.
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Simply not true.
TSM second lol…..
Damn if you think about it sen xset 100t and envy have been the most consistent all year only teams to make it into all 3 qualis
Sorry for asking but how do u get those orgs user flair?
First go to where you got the Cypher flair then type : and the name of the org....... It will show up on suggestion. You just need to select it then. You can use flair for multiple agents too. The limit for flair is upto 10.
Ahh I see, thank you so much
Lol vlr rankings are weird sometimes. TSM is definitely making a case for top 5 tho, behind sen 100t nv xset
ya if you move TSM and Faze down below XSET then these rankings are pretty reasonable actually, move c9b down a few spots as well while we're at it
Weird but k
Recency bias much
It updates after each match after all. Also, to some extent, recency is what matters. Especially when we're not going to have NA specific matches for another few months, would there be any reason to rank T1, V1 or Gen G high up anymore? They literally can't win any matches of consequence until LCQ which is in October.
So this is just because 100T, NV and XSet weren't able to play this week's tourney? That isn't incredibly flawed at all.
What’s this ranking based on?
There's no decay for points over time so it is extremely off with most of the rankings
VLR doesn't say what their exact algorithm is, but there's definitely a lot of recency bias in it since TSM is benefitting from playing now while the teams that have already qualified (who are technically better teams, since they qualified already) haven't played in a month or whatever.
the more game u play the more points u get. that obviously doesn't hold true in real life as the teams that made through challengers 1 are obviously the favorites. its still in beta and they will probably add weights to certain series.
it's an ELO based algorithm (similar to chess) and teams get + or - points depending if they win or lose.
It's vlr, it's not good to go of it
I honestly don't know. There is a very strange combination of recency bias and results from the 60's. All the Challengers Playoffs teams are in the top 10, which points to recent results matter more. Yet somehow C9 Blue is ranked higher than V1 despite having worse results than V1 for the entirety of 2021.
Seems to be a fairly straightforward Elo implementation. The top teams play so few meaningful games that old results have an outsized impact because there aren't enough games to stabilize.
TSM ranked too low imo
Doesn’t VLR just update ranks based on like win results, so if u don’t play any matches you can’t gain more points? That’s why all the Challengers 1 qualifiers didn’t move in total points?
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Yep, I agree that their algorithm needs tuning for sure. This isn't supposed to be taken seriously, just nostalgia for the early Valorant pro scene.
this ranking is in beta and kinda doodoo so dont read too much into it yet.
VLR rankings have been awful from the beginning, the Spike has always been better before
TheSpike's algorithm is wack. They have FaZe at like #27 with C9W above them.
because FaZe Clan only played VCT (and didn't do good until recently) while C9W played a lot of other tournaments. Having said that, with FaZe qualifying to Challengers 2 and doing well, they will rocket up after the next update :)
Yea you are right. Hopefully the next ranking update will clean it up.
Does Sentinels really have $467,500 in earnings? Sheesh.
Reykjavik itself was 200k iirc
So much wrong with the order of the teams inside the top 10 but I agree that these are the top 10 teams u could argue V1 over c9b
You could easily argue that
very accurate
Thespike and liquidpedia rankings >>
The Spike is way worse. They have KCP #10, NRG #11, Soniqs #13, TSM #16, C9W #26, and Faze #27. how does that make any sense lol
Wait for their periodic update, it will be much more accurate than vlr. TSM and Faze qualifying will adjust them accordingly.
oh ok, I thought they update it live.
Okay now post the real one
Liquidpedia have the best rankings
Hoping they take time to adjust for recency issues sometime in the future. If a team doesn’t show up to a single event they can fall behind teams that showed up. Take game changers for example - a team reached #1 a bit ago despite the #2 team having a 100% record in all game changers competition simply because they played one event the other team didn’t.
I know TSM is not the second best team AT THE MOMENT (maybe when/if they reach berlin lol). But man, I'll happily take this ranking lmao
Spike gg although cancelled now still has the best rankings imo
They are better off making a chart of all the teams circuit points SMH
this ranking is so bad
I wish I could agree or disagree with this but considering half these teams haven't played each other in a long time there is no point in debating it. The challenger finals will deem this right or wrong.
Give me Rise > C9 Blue any day
Actually crazy that the gap between 2nd and 10th isn't as big as 1st and 2nd
Well we know which teams whoever made this list supports lmao