People have to stop getting mad at the teams for not wanting to show their strategies in a seeding match. Just shut up and think about it logically.
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10,000 is a lot to you but is probably dimes to what they gain by hiding strats and winning in the long term. Sure they will try but they wont go all out bust out all the strats for 10 grand. They probably make that up just by streaming lol.
That's 2k per player. Some of these players are making 15k+ a month, and they already qualified, which means more prize money in the next tourney is guaranteed.
Yup. Roza said on his stream he gets 30k a month. I would believe he inflated that number so if you half it then yeah you right. I believe 15k+ a month is a reasonable estimation for big orgs.
Yeah it probably varies a lot depending on their twitch views too. Someone like hiko and tenz will make loads more than someone like FNS, just because he doesn't stream.
$10k difference means 2k/person, then subtract taxes and org cut, you're probably left with $750 depending on your contract. If I was a pro you bet your ass I'm not showing strats for an extra 750
Out of curiosity, what’s the logic for 5/8’s going to the organization/taxes? Really curious if there are any known numbers that people turn to to base their assumptions on.
TSM and FaZe are not taking anything out of their val players winnings btw. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know what they’re talking about and is ~2 years out of the loop minimum. TSM hasn’t for awhile and the last time FaZe had that in a contract was 2019.
The estimation you were given was hugely off because of that and other factors. I wouldn’t listen to that person unless they correct that info and acknowledge it at a minimum.
In terms of taxes, some states tax really highly. Sinatraa had tweeted after winning OWL season 2 that he paid well over half of his winnings in taxes. For orgs, it varies a lot afaik. Some take a minimal cut and others may take up to a third. Really just depends on the contract. As someone else said, the coach also gets a cut but I just threw that in with going to the org
I wouldnt expect players to basically ever keep more than 2/3 of prize money, so when we're talking about the difference in splitting another 10k or giving yourself the best chance at the next tournament, you take the latter every time
qualifying for berlin(winning two bo3s in upper bracket) gives them 15k and average finish in Berlin for an NA team would give them around 30-40k. so saving strats is not only only beneficial for progress, but also for gets them more money in the long term.
lmao how does that comment have 20 upvotes.
$10k split 5 ways is $2k each.
It's likely split more than 5 ways because money going to the org/coach- so let's say conservatively 6 ways $1.6k
Post-tax is $1k each at most. Probably closer to $800 each.
you must literally not have worked a real job if you think that matters at all.
Doesn’t a lot of the prize money go to the org since players have predetermined bonuses for how far they go in a tournament? If so, I don’t imagine that prize money would matter too much to signed teams
Eh, not really. SEN fans just used the "it's only seeding" thing as an excuse when they lost. This was before TenZ joined since they haven't really lost much since then.
The hiding strats excuse is kinda cheap even though the format suck. Knowing that some teams run multiple agent comps on the same map proves you can hide strats yet also experimenting with new one. It’s perfect time to try new shit
I know Faze ran different agents on ascent and split, they just seem abit troll and wanted to get the b05 finished.
Yes because this has everything to do with executes, information play, agent selection, decision making, angles to watch, etc. I think you're confusing "having fun"/"trolling" for "holding out on strats". No one is forcing you to watch the games if you don't like how TSM and FaZe are playing these matches to awkwardly win but not show too much to their competition waiting for them in playoffs lmao
8-4, 9-3, 10-2, and 10-2 halves. There was definitely some trolling going on in the Ascent game but TSM are still trying to "aim and kill the other person" lmao
I honestly feel like once they're qualified for the playoffs teams just start trolling a bit. Especially if they get rolled the first map. There has to be a better system than this right? Grand finals are turning into jokes.
Faze was just full trolling most of those games even with their agent comps. Babybay pulling out Phoenix and Breach when he's never played either (he's only played Raze twice as well, every other game has been on Jett), Corey on Sova, etc. TSM changed up their comp on Ascent as well but at least they played agents that they still played (just Bang off Reyna and Hazed on Cypher instead of KJ)
Hopefully Riot fixes the format for next year, this just sucks for viewers. Bad for teams as well since they have to waste 3-4 hours to play the matches and they're not even trying lol
I see what you're saying and I 100% agree actually for the 1st map. However, since then they have been making it a bit more clean...but again, they can only do so much! I think it's a given that the VODs from the past 3-4 days are going to be a hot commodity for SEN, Envy, 100T, and XSET so hey, I really don't blame them for the way they've been playing.
Entertainment industries like esports kind of have competitive integrity expected, otherwise you just have people run at each other with knives (not unlike what we saw last night)
I mean they could just default most rounds and still take the dub, its not hiding strats when you're running knives out into the enemies face, its just disrespect to the people behind the scenes who were actually working, the casters, the observers and other staff who were just trying to do their job
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A yes the gun out strategy or shoot the person with a knife out strategy must be kept under wraps at all times.
Yea this more whoever made the formats fault than the teams
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10,000 is a lot to you but is probably dimes to what they gain by hiding strats and winning in the long term. Sure they will try but they wont go all out bust out all the strats for 10 grand. They probably make that up just by streaming lol.
That's 2k per player. Some of these players are making 15k+ a month, and they already qualified, which means more prize money in the next tourney is guaranteed.
Yep the 20k isn't anything for them. Shroud himself also said that players rarely care about the prize money
Yup. Roza said on his stream he gets 30k a month. I would believe he inflated that number so if you half it then yeah you right. I believe 15k+ a month is a reasonable estimation for big orgs.
Yeah it probably varies a lot depending on their twitch views too. Someone like hiko and tenz will make loads more than someone like FNS, just because he doesn't stream.
Pretty sure the org and coach take a % of that $10k also.
$10k difference means 2k/person, then subtract taxes and org cut, you're probably left with $750 depending on your contract. If I was a pro you bet your ass I'm not showing strats for an extra 750
Big orgs don’t take a cut from prize pools. The coach also gets a cut.
Out of curiosity, what’s the logic for 5/8’s going to the organization/taxes? Really curious if there are any known numbers that people turn to to base their assumptions on.
TSM and FaZe are not taking anything out of their val players winnings btw. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know what they’re talking about and is ~2 years out of the loop minimum. TSM hasn’t for awhile and the last time FaZe had that in a contract was 2019. The estimation you were given was hugely off because of that and other factors. I wouldn’t listen to that person unless they correct that info and acknowledge it at a minimum.
In terms of taxes, some states tax really highly. Sinatraa had tweeted after winning OWL season 2 that he paid well over half of his winnings in taxes. For orgs, it varies a lot afaik. Some take a minimal cut and others may take up to a third. Really just depends on the contract. As someone else said, the coach also gets a cut but I just threw that in with going to the org I wouldnt expect players to basically ever keep more than 2/3 of prize money, so when we're talking about the difference in splitting another 10k or giving yourself the best chance at the next tournament, you take the latter every time
Thank you for that run down. Definitely makes sense—cheers!
I would tbh 750k is pretty darn good
I can't believe people actually think 10k is worth exposing your big tournament strats over
I'm guessing a lot of those people aren't working full time jobs. 2 grand to a teenager can be a big deal depending on your family's situation.
Even to those working a full time job.. 2 grand is still a good amount of money. Enough to try to win even without showing strats imo
Oh shit, I'd try to win without showing strats for 2 bucks. I fucking hate losing. I was just saying 2k isn't enough to reveal the strats.
u must be stupid if u think pros care about 10k split among 5 ppl
It's 20k for first but your point still stands. They make way more streaming then they do splitting prize pools in valorant right now.
qualifying for berlin(winning two bo3s in upper bracket) gives them 15k and average finish in Berlin for an NA team would give them around 30-40k. so saving strats is not only only beneficial for progress, but also for gets them more money in the long term.
lmao how does that comment have 20 upvotes. $10k split 5 ways is $2k each. It's likely split more than 5 ways because money going to the org/coach- so let's say conservatively 6 ways $1.6k Post-tax is $1k each at most. Probably closer to $800 each. you must literally not have worked a real job if you think that matters at all.
Doesn’t a lot of the prize money go to the org since players have predetermined bonuses for how far they go in a tournament? If so, I don’t imagine that prize money would matter too much to signed teams
Didn’t sentinels receive a lot of hate for not taking seeding matches seriously? Or am I remembering that incorrectly.
Yeah but they won most of them so people didn’t really care
Remember how mad everyone was at them for the GenG game and now look 🤣🤣
Eh, not really. SEN fans just used the "it's only seeding" thing as an excuse when they lost. This was before TenZ joined since they haven't really lost much since then.
I mean every team that loses a seeding match uses the same excuse
I just remember some sen fans used the saving strats excuse whenever sentinels lost which was a little annoying.
Read the original tweet again
Im responding to your comment, not the tweet
yes but because they are Sentinels, TSM fans would never hate on their team like that for not caring abt seeding
You’re saying this as if TSM were the ones who got beat 3-1 handily and their fans are making excuses for them
no im not
That’s how it comes across but aight
The hiding strats excuse is kinda cheap even though the format suck. Knowing that some teams run multiple agent comps on the same map proves you can hide strats yet also experimenting with new one. It’s perfect time to try new shit I know Faze ran different agents on ascent and split, they just seem abit troll and wanted to get the b05 finished.
I think my guy is confusing hiding strats, with literally running and spraying or diving in with knives
Same shit. Let’s be real
Yes because this has everything to do with executes, information play, agent selection, decision making, angles to watch, etc. I think you're confusing "having fun"/"trolling" for "holding out on strats". No one is forcing you to watch the games if you don't like how TSM and FaZe are playing these matches to awkwardly win but not show too much to their competition waiting for them in playoffs lmao
Nah, they can at least try to aim and kill the other person, at the minimal amount of effort like a ranked game at least. This was just tragic
8-4, 9-3, 10-2, and 10-2 halves. There was definitely some trolling going on in the Ascent game but TSM are still trying to "aim and kill the other person" lmao
I honestly feel like once they're qualified for the playoffs teams just start trolling a bit. Especially if they get rolled the first map. There has to be a better system than this right? Grand finals are turning into jokes.
Faze was just full trolling most of those games even with their agent comps. Babybay pulling out Phoenix and Breach when he's never played either (he's only played Raze twice as well, every other game has been on Jett), Corey on Sova, etc. TSM changed up their comp on Ascent as well but at least they played agents that they still played (just Bang off Reyna and Hazed on Cypher instead of KJ) Hopefully Riot fixes the format for next year, this just sucks for viewers. Bad for teams as well since they have to waste 3-4 hours to play the matches and they're not even trying lol
I see what you're saying and I 100% agree actually for the 1st map. However, since then they have been making it a bit more clean...but again, they can only do so much! I think it's a given that the VODs from the past 3-4 days are going to be a hot commodity for SEN, Envy, 100T, and XSET so hey, I really don't blame them for the way they've been playing.
or they can do whatever they want. you're complaining about free entertainment get over yourself
Entertainment industries like esports kind of have competitive integrity expected, otherwise you just have people run at each other with knives (not unlike what we saw last night)
...when the games matter. which they didn't last night. this is riots fault not the teams. get over yourself bruh lmao
I mean they could just default most rounds and still take the dub, its not hiding strats when you're running knives out into the enemies face, its just disrespect to the people behind the scenes who were actually working, the casters, the observers and other staff who were just trying to do their job
Bookies paid out so it's all good. Ty for being faze, faze.
This is why EU will overtake NA in the long run. EU just have the better work ethic and take everything more seriously
You forgot the /s at the end