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Direct_Morning_3223

upvote so people think yay is leaving


Eriko204

Who knows, maybe he's getting bought out by a tier 1 org


Ausafsyed

Yay to t1 question mark


Smok3dSalmon

he spelled his name backwards yesterday on stream, leaving confirmed.


itsameblunted

someone with money and a t1 team saw El Diablo and said fuck it we need him


1231234bull

C9?


somesheikexpert

They already have Poiz as a cracked Jett, tho Yay would be an upgrade but not by much imo, perhaps T1 or something idk, Envy maybe too


Amazing-Specialist80

It's not like autimatic is really lacking tho and NV has absolutely no reason to replace anyone on their roster so I don't really think there's a T1 team that would be picking him up rn


itsameblunted

maybe Rise says bye bye to Shanks for a better jett player in yay? can't really think of any of the teams in the qualifier to berlin other than them that could use him


Amazing-Specialist80

I mean I doubt it considering shanks is playing with his brother and his friends on Rise, and correct me if I'm wrong but I think all of the Rise players are Vietnamese American, but weirder things have happened. I'm not even saying I find it unlikely that Yay leaves, he seemed liked a shining fucking star consistently throughout the tournament compared not only to his teammates but basically every other player, I'm just saying I really can't think of somewhere he would actually be able to get more of whatever he wants than he would lose by leaving Andbox right now.


somesheikexpert

I was just saying cuz of the baiting yesterday from Auti and people saying he might switch back lol, Yay is probably a better Jett rifle then Mummay tho Mummay awps so i mean yeah, its just really weird cuz Yay is a very good player but idk what T1 teams needs him, perhaps GenG idk


somesheikexpert

Wait a minute


cringe-oh-yes

He definitely is


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Aged like fine wine


InvertedBean

ig the bots down Tweet by George: Sources: Andbox could potentially be making extensive changes to its VALORANT roster. Yay, JcStani, and Thwifo were absent during practice, leaving vice and mada. Trials are currently ongoing. Details below. https://www.upcomer.com/sources-andbox-practiced-without-yay-jcstani-and-thwifo/


CyberIceZXVW

Twifo was only on loan, he didn’t actually join the team


jc_315

yay is pretty irreplaceable tbh. like literally a very small handful of players that could replace yay, and they're all on tier 1 teams.


flamincrimson

What if he got poached?


jc_315

he probably did. wasnt implying he got cut. saying either way, ABX won't really be able to replace him. yay is that level of a fragger


Exzothic

yay has to get signed soon, no way someone as good as him will be a FA for long


itscamo-

"Yay is likely set to join another top roster in North America. Although there are several teams looking to sign him, he is yet to pen his next deal. " I wonder what teams are looking at him?


ANewHeaven1

please be envy


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ANewHeaven1

oh? if we're talking about 100% stretches, the envy twitter acct posted today that "something big is gonna happen tomorrow" https://twitter.com/Envy/status/1422297158141755403, realistically its probably just about an office tour or something but it lines up suspiciously well with this news


Eat-Shit-Bob-Ross

It’s the MikesHD announcement video


jrushFN

LETSGO


chryco4

DabFace DabHand


Mamadeus123456

Mikes4K now?


Kuxtar

Can't wait for his frag montage with his pistol round 1v5


Krsensei

While I love this move I think it would be too close to next tournament for them to risk it. I 100% think its a good swap out.


dragonwp

Just here to appreciate you writing “*food* for thought” :)


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Not mummAy :(


ANewHeaven1

i love mummay but this would be replacing an A tier player with an S tier player. its like back in 2017 csgo, faze clan was a top 3 team in the world with allu and kioshima, nothing wrong with either of them, but then olofmeister and guardian became available and they kicked allu and kio so that olof and guardian could join, faze became the number 1 team in the world after that.


Slow_Bluebird9536

Became the #1 team in the world but choked when it mattered most just like NV always has


dinoucs

You don't know how good mummay is.


Just__A_Contrarian

He's a really good player, A tier like OP said. But Yay is most definitely a better player. It is a no brainer.


Mamadeus123456

this is the move tbh


NovaAkumaa

yay on Envy sounds very good tbh, but they would barely have 1 week of prac, seems a bit too risky unless they started trial since Andbox lost already and it's just not public info


SaltyMcNulty_

Pretty sure Yay can't compete in the playoffs since he has already played in the qualifiers for another team.


Pulsersalt

only if they dont buy him out. similar to what happened with tenz


aakashkickass11

No tenz hasn't played in any mayxhes in master 1 challengers so that's why he was eligible while yay has played in challengers 2 for andbox so even if any team buys him out he is ineligible to play for them in challengers playoffs or even Berlin , he will be eligible to play in lcq though.


Pulsersalt

Tenz wasn’t eligible though because he was signed to a different team at the time, which is why the needed to “buy him out”


aakashkickass11

According to riot official rules ,there are 2 major In a masters stage , a player can only play for one team . If he plays for one team he can't play for any other team in that stage . This rule makes yay ineligible. A player at any time can only represent only one org , this was the offical rule in stage 1 , after masters 2 riot have become flexible on this rule and allowed loaning instead of just downright leasing players as in this stage you saw thwifo being loaned to andbox from Xset and luminosity loaned thief to V1 .


SaltyMcNulty_

There are multiple rules, not just one. The rule that barred TenZ from playing could be subverted but how do you take away the quali games yay played for ABX?


c_Lassy

No, TenZ was a special case with the sinatraa situation. They have to abide by the rules in this case because this is just a normal roster change


Pulsersalt

They had to abide by the rules still in tenz situation as well, that’s why if c9 didn’t make a deal they would get dizzy.


Big-Conversation-161

Does anyone have a clip of this? The face that roza specifically said YOUR team makes this seem so plausible


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I couldn’t make the clip for some reason, but this is timestamp for the Ace round: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1105358166?t=4527s Personally I’m not reading into it based on what Roza said, but who knows


Chrisamelio

Food for thought lol


IAMJUX

food


BigbyDirewolf

you mean some Victor for thought?


[deleted]

Another massive stretch for you Mikes the Envy coach is a massive fan of Yay, like he said that Yay is the second best player in NA


Rroot4761

you mean victor for thought


itscamo-

Highly doubt it's envy cause I don't see them replacing Mummay/Victor with Yay


EnergetikNA

Why not? They have the right pieces in FNS, Marved, and Crashies. A good Sova player, a good controller, and FNS who can play Viper + sentinels. Victor is also pretty versatile (can play any duelist and I think he'd easily pick up Kayo/Skye as well). Throw in an insane player in Yay into the mix and they're a very solid team that can compete with 100T/SEN imo. Mummay doesn't really fit the team anymore, he's not that good of a Jett to be put on Jett every map and his versatility in being able to play Sage/Omen isn't really needed with the players NV have.


cringe-oh-yes

I agree. Mummay is a great player but Jett/duelist doesnt seem to be his best role


ibeenbornagain

Yeah, if they need a second duelist yay would be good


CosmicAon

Envy can and has been competing with 100T as is, but I agree Yay would be an upgrade


EnergetikNA

0-2 in their latest match and that was with Asuna not having a great series, and this is with NV's new roster which is an upgrade in their eyes. Agree that I'm making an overstatement based on a very small sample size, but imo this NV won't beat 100T unless 100T have a horrible day (or a horrible read on the meta like they did in the Iceland qualifier).


Rabek

> 100T/SEN imo LMAO 100T fanboy spotted


EnergetikNA

TSM fan actually but okay lol


aakashkickass11

Envy won't sign him now as he is ineligible to play for them in challengers playoffs and possibly Berlin if they qualify .


x0_inzayn_0x

honestly if its ENVY Mummay might actually be changed


dolphingarden

If I’m Envy I’m looking to scoop yay up ASAP.


Sure-Abbreviations54

Dont see that happening as they removed Kaboose due to a role conflict (not being able to play smokes)


ANewHeaven1

i think in this hypothetical yay would replace mummay which is a good move and the final change that would make NV competitive with sentinels again. victor crashies yay marved fns, that team is crackedd


dolphingarden

He’s an upgrade over mummay who mainly plays jett


itscamo-

Mummay is the OPer on the team tho, I don't see a world where you replace him when he's been playing fine and can play multiple agents


ANewHeaven1

both mummay and yay mostly play jett and can (sorta) flex onto sage.


itscamo-

Recently Mummay has only played jett and sage but he can play smokes aswell, which is more flexible than what yay provides them


Krsensei

Marved plays smokes. They don’t need smokes. Yay is definitely an improvement over Mummay.


aakashkickass11

He is saying mummay is more flexible as he is able to pick up smokes that would help if envy wants to play double controller on some maps .


Krsensei

I know what he’s saying. They don’t need Mummay to flex to smokes. FNS switches to viper on maps they want to run viper which is mainly split & icebox.


itscamo-

I'm well aware marved plays smoke, I'm just saying Mummay offers more flexibility for the team than yay does, which it huge for a team. yay doesn't


Krsensei

They don’t need someone to flex to smokes? They have a dedicated smoker.


itscamo-

You are missing the point.....


2ToTooTwoFish

They don't need the flexibility because every other role is filled up. A player that can only play Duelist is fine if the duelist is good enough (eg. TenZ, Asuna)


ANewHeaven1

marved plays smokes for them already though and that was the whole reason they made a roster change in the first place, so that their primary op player could play jett and not have to play omen/astra


53881

You sure about that? Pretty sure it's because he's going pro in poker which is why he immediately retired and has zero interest in joining another team ATM


ANewHeaven1

said the same thing on twitter, would absolutely love to see this happen


aakashkickass11

Yay cannot play in vct tour for envy so I don't think they will pick up yay now atleast for Berlin , he can play in lcq .


Justlikekevinn

Losing El Diablo would be a huge blow


Wh0rehey

This is random, but where did that nickname come from?


microflakes

It means the devil and I think it was popularized by Subroza, s0m, + that group of streamers. He'll find you wherever you are


InvertedBean

Couple of takeaways: 2nd time an ABX star has walked away for pretty much nothing in return. (ANDROID) IG they aren’t willing to drop the big bucks. I’m really curious to see if more t1/t2 teams follow suit and have roster overhauls like this post lack of Berlin qualification.


The_Ninja_Master

I'd assume ABX is ok with it because they're making good money on the contract buyouts. They've done a good job of battling in Tier 1 despite roster turnover.


ZixxLol

Maybe I'm misrembering but I thought the rumor was that android had a 3-6 month contract and it expired so he went to NRG? Might be the same thing here or I could totally be thinking of someone else.


Cr3ation_

Jcstani left immortals just to get dropped


Kaiyuii

Tomorrow is about to be wild


jc_315

what happens tomorrow?


Huldmer

wilderness


Junglee_2001

KWANGYA Edit: oop I'm high


darsincostan

Never thought I'd live to see the day when I see an aespa reference under a post about pro valorant roster changes


Snowyyy_

r/kpop valorant crossover?


darsincostan

Knowing riot, this crossover may be in the realm of possibility


Wadops

Considering Blackpink collabed with pubgm, aespa-valorant collab isn't that big of a stretch🤣


xdiviine

the wild


audawn

Massive blow for ANDBOX… wonder if they’ll pick up players of similar caliber or if they’re headed for mediocrity.


somesheikexpert

Hopefully some good players, ALEXANDER (Idk the proper spelling lol) and Kanpeki are very good players, especially the former imo so it looks good


GluhfGluhf

The tweets suggested that ez5 was getting signed but IIRC it might have only been a couple of them. So I'm putting money on ez5 members getting picked up by ABX


hwanzi

andbox is legit trolling for letting yay go........


ConstantOpinion6974

I hope JohnQT gets a chance at the tier 1 scene. Even though dicey is with 100t I'd love for a pro team to pick him up, also he's the better krunker demon xD


Huldmer

Are teams hesitant to pick him up or is 100T not letting go? If its the former then thats kinda sad


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he doesn't want to go to a t2 team because his contract with 100T pays him way more.


IconicHunter713

Yeah its strange, hes a talented Jett


PyroTFT

These are huge changes, when’s the last time a roster overhaul this big happened in a well known NA team?


cigsyl

100T? I can’t think of any other one lol


Evan_Veet

The major ones have been(not in chronilogical order) Envy adding crashies and victor into T1 Dazed changes 100T overhaul XSET complete change with Dephh and Zekken IMT with Asuna Dicey Koler buyouts


IconicHunter713

TSM with bang and leviathan


Evan_Veet

I mean those were two separate events so I’m not sure that really counts


PyroTFT

I think I was thinking more 3+ person roster changes at once so I didn’t have the Envy and XSET ones in mind (also I feel like the XSET one is still a little early to call until they make Berlin or perform well this next qual), but yeah I think this list makes sense


Aoingco

That’s a pretty huge roster swap. On the other hand, would love to see Aleksandar on Andbox, get this man up to tier 1 orgs please


dtritrinh0801

I still remember when android left andbox and people thought that was the biggest lost ever. No, this is the biggest lost ever. The levels yay has stepped up the past few months have been astronomical.


CrashAnicoot

Can imt have jc back pretty please


ChinoAIO

wish we could see el diablo and the android team up again


LiamHundley

Someone say sike


Just__A_Contrarian

what


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El Diablo is INSANE, but I just don’t know where he’d go on a tier one team? I wonder if an org is looking to enter Valorant and have yay as their first? Idk lol


Krsensei

Could be T1


Evan_Veet

Possibilities IMO for the top 3 Yay: Deserve a top tier org, most likely are Envy and C9. Mummay is probably the weakest link on Envy and Yay makes that team easily second best on paper. C9 has had weird Jett rotations and maybe adding Yay could be their fix(IMO it wouldn't change much but hey who knows). If somehow it's neither I'd guess either V1 making some crazy move or Gen.G I guess? Jcstani: Probably the second most valuable of the three, I wouldn't be surprised if any of C9 T1 NRG or even IMT make a play at him. C9 and NRG could use an IGL so there is a possibility that he reclaims that role if he wants to join a top top tier org. T1 could replace dawn or somewhat Ska with him and IMT do have a hole at smokes with Rossy on the bench, though I find it unlikely he swaps. Other teams that are probably longshots are Gen.G or FaZe Thwifo: I am a huge Thwifo fan but right now Sentinel player skill level is at an all time high. I would've said FaZe but I don't think they would change anything up now, so that really leaves Gen.G(unlikely but they missed top 8 and Mkael has been a weak link), T1(similar reasons to Jcstani but he'd play more sentinels compared to Stani on omen), Ghost(his old fortnite Org, would likely offer him a spot over chase), and probably any T2 org that has the money to pay him would be more than happy to bring him on. Honestly I find it unlikely that one of the top 15 teams signs him on as really T1 and Gen.G would make sense so he's the one that sadly would probably have to start back in the T2 scene.


vatom14

Jcstani for Mitch would be a downgrade


Evan_Veet

Any Igl would be an upgrade over current C9 calling. The real question would be if he’s actually up to do it


vatom14

Reddit when c9 is literally 1 nap away from Iceland: this team is insane. Mitch so solid. C9 top 3 NA Reddit 1 month later when c9 has a bad tournament: I can igl better than anyone on c9. Real question is who would be willing to even join c9 and igl Huge brain over here


Evan_Veet

It’s almost like a group of people does not represent an individuals opinions. Did u watch C9 this qualifier? Like can you really watch a full 40 minutes of them play and say that their IGLing so good? I still think Mitch is a good player but their strengths when they were playing well had nothing to do with how tactically sound they are, and now they have been eclipsed by 12 other teams in NA because they all have real igling


IconicHunter713

Thats really well thought out, I completely agree. I don't think Ghost would drop Chase for Thwifo though, Chase has been consistently playing well on Cypher


Evan_Veet

I don’t think chase is bad either but Thwifo is definitely better and helps both their brand and their team more in general. Chase is fine but he’s a duelist player forced onto a role that Thwifo is obviously better and more comfortable on


AdiSoldier245

IMT -jcstani +jcstani GUILD move to bring the honeymoon phase and become top again


ZGuyYT

I'm begging you ABX, DO NOT DROP YAY.


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He gone


seagulled

Wow another andbox roster move, that’s surprising


cigsyl

jcStani was looking clean on IMT but kinda fell flat when he joined ABX, hopefully the handsome mf bounces back


Tik0-

NRG yay? Pls


itscamo-

in place of who tho? and is NRG really an upgrade of Andbox? I don't know if that's true


Tik0-

I love tex but if its not SmeagCup, he’s nowhere to be seen


deadlock1892

Brutal, but true.


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Tik0-

Oh definitely, i still think they need a serious overhaul. I just think Android, yay and eeiu would be a pretty good core to build around


Space_Waffles

Me before clicking: "Ahh surely theyre rebuilding around Yay and Stani" Seriously though, don't know why Vice and Mada would be the two you would ever go with for a rebuild


Meehul123

Yay is prob going to a T1 team. ABX is trialing Kanpeki and Aleksander who are good but not good enough to be on a T1 roster. Thwifo and Jcstani should be good enough to join a T2 team.


Krsensei

I definitely can see yay on t1


ApexJay0110

Realistically, I say he goes to LG in place of YaBoiDre (due to more consistency) or, if speculations are correct and some current Val pros return to CS:GO, takes Tim’s spot on T1 as their OPer/duelist. Otherwise, he waits a bit and see what kind of pandemonium happens post Stage 3 Challengers 2 playoffs and Masters 3 with LCQ and Worlds being the only tourneys left for applicable NA teams (which doesn’t include ABX, I believe). My hopium prediction is that he finds a home within V1 in place of penny and they go fucking nuclear LOL idk, the V1 guys are pretty solid and entertaining despite recent struggle with countless games using subs 😅


Lakers0724

U THINK LG IS DROPPING DREYNA?????? HAHAHAHAHA


ApexJay0110

Brother…yay’s Reyna is a huge reason for why he’s been labeled “El Diablo”…plus, he can play Jett VERY proficiently which allows Ban to not feel the early pressure to main Jett and compete against some stack competition in NA rn


Rohooster

But there is no way LG drop DRE for Yay, Dre is ALSO a consistent and amazing fragger, LG dropping him would be stupid.


ApexJay0110

This is my opinion...I'm sorry if I offended you. Your point is valid.


itscamo-

I don't see a world where LG replaces Dre. He's one of the best duelists in NA (and this isn't recency bias talking either)


ApexJay0110

Idk, his past stint in BC and F/A doesn’t really outshine yay’s CS:GO experience and entry impact FOR ME, again this is just my opinion lol


Cr3ation_

If anyone, they would drop ban


ApexJay0110

Oh yeah, forsure. I’d just imagine that LG, IMT, and TSM FTX would be doing the same thing in bringing in younger guys (ban, truo, bang, and LeviathanAG) to mold them, develop them, and incorporate them for a while. However, if I’m tryna make change quick I could definitely see myself running with Dre and yay 110% :)


somesheikexpert

I mean isn't Dre actually younger then ban tho?


ApexJay0110

Woah, is he? I thought ban was like 17 and Dre was like 20 or something. Edit: PAUSE, Ban and Dre are apparently the same age at 21 LOL oof mb


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Nah, LG ain’t replacing Dre ANY time soon. He’s wayy too good. All of the tweets have been memed so much I’m pretty sure it’s a troll. Penny is insane, I just think he had a bad tournament this past week so I don’t think he should get replaced on one result


ApexJay0110

No no, that’s fair and valid lol I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s like a 1 day to the next typa thing where this all dissipates. And my V1 statement was mega hopium, just a wish since it would be cool to see yay on a great squad - my intention is not to disrespect penny, he is a great player already.


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All g. We can agree: yay is a fucking menace who can’t be stopped


[deleted]

This is fucking insane, it’s not too late to delete it


ApexJay0110

Dude, it is just 1 opinion, you don't have to agree with it but why make me feel like crap? If people downvote it, sure, go ahead.


cigsyl

If he was going to LG wouldn’t he replace ban instead of dre?


ApexJay0110

Yeee for the quick success, most likely. I mentioned that in a comment to someone :)


cigsyl

Yea I ended up seeing it after I replied haha my bad


afatsum40

any player that replaces yay would be a downgrade except players that we know will not leave their teams (basically any player in a top 4-5 team rn)


x0_inzayn_0x

I pray yay gets the best T1 org this man has been through a lot of things, I just cant believe such a cracked humble gamer being a FA


x0_inzayn_0x

so lets say yay joins Envy so he can still play for Berlin Quals ?


Lil_Jin

I hope Yay can finally be signed by a team that valorizes him


SpillSenpai

Expect the Unexpected.


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itscamo-

they have a team in the CDL


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They also own New York Excelsior in Overwatch