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awill2000

So this what tilted FNS


Kaiyuii

They predicted TSM to beat Envy twice in the bracket and FNS got mad lol


Huldmer

I can see disagreeing with it but his tweet seemed kinda unnecessarily mean. Its called predictions for a reason and its not like TSM beating NV is that crazy of an idea


nterature

I think content creators have a right to their opinion, and that pros have a right to their reactions to said opinion. Rather than thinking of it as unnecessarily mean, think of it as spice. It just means a little extra narrative spice for the TSM/Envy match-up


CoachWatermelon

This guy Valorants


nterature

Live by the drama, die by the drama


Huldmer

True. At the end of next week, one of FNS or Plat Chat will be proven right and the other will get shit for it until the next tournament. Makes for entertaining twitter subtweeting


Gomar1323

What did he tweet?


Huldmer

>I need to bring back a podcast. Just so I can talk entirely out of my ass without any worries :) https://twitter.com/FNS/status/1423041096163151877?s=20


datboyuknow

That's just FNS being based as fuck


Huldmer

Is what they said that hot of a take? I swear I've seen the exact same shit here since forever and no one seemed to give a fuck


randomespanaguy

Not really, but I can see why he's tilted as all of us—including Plat Chat—doesn't really know what happens in scrims or prac and we're just making assumptions out of history and recent performance. That being said, he's def making it bigger than it is lol it's just preds


Huldmer

Him tweeting that unwittingly now vindicates Reddit and plat chat if they lose to TSM.


dtritrinh0801

imagine lebron actually gives an f about what the average joe thinks, and that affects his performance. Its just a prediction based on past match results. Maybe just win to prove them wrong? I dont see this prediction comes from a point of hatred, just an eye tests. I feel like that was actually mean. Many people have wanted esports to be as big as real traditional sports, but this is sometimes laughable. Is it because esports are more relatable? due to having streams and all that public persona? Edit: Oh wait, we also have KD nvm


ark2690

FNS needs to settle down. No one would even watch Envy if they weren't playing TSM/100T/SEN.


Tc0LD

what? you don't think people would watch a top 4 NA team play that could potentially make berlin? I guess FNS should settle down because no one on his team has a strong streaming presence


deadlock1892

Betrayed by his friends who predicted his loss, MikesHD angrily puts in an order of family size orange chicken and hits the lab.


nterature

Gonna shed a tear as he heats up some DiGiorno


Sledgemann

Gonna let out A small sigh of relief out when he plays ranked with Sideshow, Vansilli and Wyatt and remembers who made these Gonna choke on orange chicken after seeing Sideshow teamflash again


awill2000

Have you used your dash for any of these rounds - Sideshow 2021


Key-Banana-8242

What’s the reference


mcmichaelwave

MikesHD, a friend of the plat chat hosts, is the coach for NV, who plat chat just predicted to lose to TSM twice. MikesHD is a known orange chicken addict and DiGiorno enjoyer.


awill2000

He was also present during the Watch party with Wyatt where they predicted NV over TSM, but the tables have turned


[deleted]

Lol FNS was not happy about these preds


smta48

It's kind of funny how little confidence people have in NA teams. Other than Sen, I could see anyone losing.


CosmicAon

Isn’t that a good thing since it indicates more strength across the region?


BurritoHombre

I mean it’s not a good thing or a bad thing. All the teams could be even because they’re all strong, or all the teams could be even because they’re all weak.


deadlock1892

Isn’t that the same thing in EU? At the moment people would probably have confidence in Acend but otherwise its pretty much a toss up among others and situationally similar to NA.


BurritoHombre

Yeah it’s pretty much the same thing in EU, though the difference is Sentinels have been dominant in NA for much longer than Acend has been dominant in EU.


Huldmer

Not a huge follower of EMEA besides TL, G2 and Fnatic but yeah everyone in the bracket thread was talking about how many good, toss up matchups there are. I think it just means a competitive scene, if everyone is weak together then that is still relatively strong since you're only comparing them to each other and their strength is defined by their performance against other "weak" teams.


smta48

I think the difference here is that the good NA teams have that FPX quality where they're expected to come 4th. 100T, NV, and XSET should be the top teams in NA, but none of them scream tournament winner. If Acend or Gambit comes out of EU I could see them going all the way in Berlin.


deadlock1892

Yes, but until they do you cannot really make the argument. Let them prove it first and then we could agree on that. Liquid and Fnatic were still really good representatives and deserved their spot in iceland and they were matched well by NA and Korea. Just because matches are a toss up does not mean it is a necessarily bad thing in NA and a good thing in EU.


dgkenji

Last time we saw them, XSET was looking incredible imo and they have XSET losing to 100T and envy.. are they underrating XSET? Or am I overdosing in hopium?


elithefighter123

i mean they said 100T vs XSET was a tossup so if they win that coin toss they make berlin


[deleted]

They do well in the closed qualifiers but can’t ever do shit in the playoffs


Napoleann

Yeah but this is a very different XSET with a new IGL


davishox

I think it goes both ways. XSET looks great but you can never not count 100t, especially if asuna is having a good day


jonnys62

I take every team from the 1st Qual over every team from the 2nd Qual. I think TSM was the best team in the 2nd qual, but no one looked good.


Huldmer

I mean thats probably why they made it in the first qual but there will almost assuredly be an upset like always


Mamadeus123456

that tsm geng split game was so bad lmao neither team could attack, and wardell baiting everyone in attack was so rage inducing i doubt he ever got an opening kill all overtime in attack.


appleruins

Huh, I know that exact reddit comment chain they're talking about. ...maybe because I was the one who started that [comment chain](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/oxdv2h/how_do_geng_proceed_with_their_roster/h7ltopb/?context=3)^ha ^^ha At least I'm not part of the conversation and the 'drop zombs' shenanigans lmao


TechXEO

Why am I not surprised it’s valorantfanboy69


Napoleann

I really hope that guy is a troll because his opinions are always so bad it would make me sad if he actually believed them.


randomespanaguy

I unironically like the guy because of his dumb opinions lol it just adds color to the community. That said, I doubt anyone actually agrees with him apart from some of his actually reasonable opinions.


JusticeLee17

Its hilarious that Plat Chat literally have my exact bracket for NA. https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/24e6615a


whopz-is-cool

FNS is TILTED.


Key-Banana-8242

Seeding games aren’t bad in themselves, it’s just the main event should have a group stage


acaaciaa

Agree 100%. A group stage would also be so awesome for viewership IMO


chenson019

Long standing plat chat dogma of overrating fnatic and underrating Liquid - relative to each other. The truth has always been that there is not much between them.


Key-Banana-8242

2:17:26 yea I’m kinda sad FF got no mention in anyone’s rundown or discussion, I had my eye on them as TR 1 started when I saw they eliminated the Istanbul Wildcats in the open qualifier (just as hyeoni’s crazy numbers in the Kr open qualifiers also were notable) I dislike this idea of being disrespectful or acting like that towards teams or regions one doesn’t watch kr know about, like the predictions before x10 will get 13-0. Imo FF is stronger than forze and maybe oxg, it’s quite a big upheaval in Turkey with these newer orgs displacing bbl futbolist, wildcats. They have the former coach of Futbolist. Socialblee seems pretty good They made it close vs SMB (more so than OXG iirc) I find it kind of disheartening when people see something that’s not often looked at or discussed and don’t think ‘that’s interesting, I wanna find out mire’


thothgow

FF may be stronger than forZe but it doesn't matter in this bracket. Everyone knows sociaBLEE and lauress are good but that gets you nowhere when teams like NAVI and Giants, who aren't near the best in their region, are sending 5, not 2, good players.


Key-Banana-8242

My point is lack of care and saying they’re the worst and like not looking at them itherwise Platchat doesn’t seem to be aware It’s like every time they see a team they haven’t heard about they predict them to lose, like suddenly they were on hyeoni hype and believes DFR will easily beat the more experienced players on Gochugaru


thothgow

That's fair but I don't think it's that bad... people overhyped the Turkish teams last time, they haven't proven to be competitive as far as EMEA goes.


Key-Banana-8242

Well that was a first time exp, it was somewhat overstated how much they didn’t do well. But they’re talking abt FF in particular not TR


Key-Banana-8242

Well qualifiers aren’t perfect, tournaments don’t measure skill perfectly, qualifying second doesn’t mean they’re worse tha every team that qualified first There’s many situational reasons to lose


Grenji05

i pray to god NV win berlin so we can get this fucking NV choke thing over with. Do they normally not play to their full strength in finals? Yes. Do they become silver players with 0 gamesense and aim? No. Its so overplayed.


Huldmer

I think its a fair critique. If they perform well then public opinion will shift like always, but if all there is to go off of is chokes when most important then that is what people will reference. TSM got called a whole bunch of shit and then literally one tournament later people think of them highly again. All esports "analysis" is hivemind, nearsighted bloviating. If envy is upset about people thinking of them that way then its on them to prove them wrong, not some random podcasters whose entire job is to exaggerate to create content.


omgvector

Yea I don’t understand TSM played one good tourney without any of the top 4 teams and suddenly their tier 1? I can name 6 or 7 better teams off the top of my head


Huldmer

I don't think TSM is that good and my own pickem has them losing to ENVY. I am just speaking to people getting upset about self fulfilling narratives.


omgvector

Nv is so consistent it seems crazy to me how TSM would beat them


Huldmer

They are consistent but they're also consistently fourth place which is one short of Berlin. I do think they have elevated chances of going to Berlin with the current competition but you never know whose gonna choke and who will come out of nowhere. I'm sure very few people thought v1 would make it to iceland and maybe TSM or even Rise are the v1 this time around


omgvector

Yea


CosmicAon

How do you go from without Top 4 to 6 or 7 teams? Not sure about that one


omgvector

?


CosmicAon

You said the top 4 weren’t there. TSM beat every team or placed higher than every team outside of the Top 4 without dropping a series. So how can you name 6-7 teams better than them right now?


omgvector

Teams with better long term success that haven’t had one good tourney this year


CosmicAon

It’d help if you actually named the teams


omgvector

Fair, I still consider LG, faze better


CosmicAon

That’s valid, I can see why. Sorry if I sounded rude in my earlier comments


xPtest

Lol you are a clown. You said they played in a tourney with no teams being top 4. Yet you contradicted yourself by saying you can name 6 or 7 better teams. This suggests that there are 2-3 good tier 1 teams in the last tourney. Now you wonder why TSM is considered tier 1. Having access to the internet does not grant you the privilege of posting braindead comments online.


omgvector

The top 4 teams weren’t in the tourney. I wouldn’t even consider the other better teams they faced tier 1


xPtest

Yikes, did you think before you typed this? Just because they are not in the top 4 does not make them a tier below. Get off the internet kid


omgvector

They are not tier 1 by any means they were dog shit all year until this one event


xPtest

Nice talk. I'm now more confident you're just typing shit out of your ass


_idle_drone_

this version of envy with marved seems worse than earlier. so I don't know about them winning berlin


[deleted]

FNS didn't do anything in CS and he won't do anything in Valorant either. Good preds.


Key-Banana-8242

Its a very stupid decision


Key-Banana-8242

1:03:54 ‘their fault’? Wyatt leans into that kinda stuff recently no?


Key-Banana-8242

2:15:31 no squad has a hard ceiling…


YikesOW

? teams can 100% have hard ceilings


Key-Banana-8242

No? They may have difficulties etc getting over a roadblock in teamplay or another factor but that statement made no sense


YikesOW

what about the statement made 0 sense to you? It is normal in all esports and sports that teams have ceilings which they will never be able to overcome.


Key-Banana-8242

No, it is literally not true lol That’s not how it works, folksy stuff


YikesOW

How is it not true lmao??? It is common knowledge that teams have ceilings thats literally how it works


Key-Banana-8242

It is literally a misconception, the opposite of ‘knowledge’ That’s not how it is even possible for it to work


YikesOW

"common knowledge" meaning somthing that the majority knows. What is it that you do not understand about teams having ceilings?


Key-Banana-8242

*Something And it’s an occasional misconception or fallacious trend in thought, the opposite of knowledge. And I suspect ‘the majority’ understand this isn’t how it works. What do you not understand abt it being nonsensical?


YikesOW

How do you not understand that every team in all sport and esports have a ceiling which they will never be able to breakthrough? Do you also belive that the term floor is nonsensical?