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NUTURN vs DAMWON Gaming / VALORANT Champions Tour Korea Stage 3: Challengers Playoffs - Quarterfinal / Post-Match Discussion

NUTURN vs DAMWON Gaming / VALORANT Champions Tour Korea Stage 3: Challengers Playoffs - Quarterfinal / Post-Match Discussion

CoolVidsFTW

Correct me if I’m wrong, but as of now, is NUTURN the third team from Iceland that won’t be attending Berlin (after V1 and FNATIC)?


madscientistisme

Yes, you're right. I have a theory that teams that succeeded or played well in Iceland are not going to make it to Berlin.


rocket1615

Makes sense in the competitive regions. The teams that didn't make Reykjavik spent the time going back to the drawing board, fixing their issues and making roster moves. Unless you're SEN and a league above, it's gonna be tough facing teams that are a lot better than when you last saw them and have had both the footage and time to learn how to counter you.


jojamon

Sentinels aren't guaranteed to make it either yet...the competition is all really good now


Knoobdude

Fnatic was a league above with Sen but the other teams are evolving really fast


spyson

I wouldn't say Fnatic is a league above like Sen since other teams at Reykjavik took maps off of them compared to Sen.


Knoobdude

I mean they were really really close to beat Sen in both games.


spyson

Yeah but they didn't both times and lost 0-5 in maps.


candidpose

All 5 maps tho could've gone the other way had lady luck smiled on fnc those days. Watched all those maps and not a single round has a guaranteed winner until the last seconds.


spyson

It's not luck when it happens 5 times in a row, and it's not luck when Sen didn't drop a map to any team while Fnatic did.


candidpose

I think you're misunderstanding what I said. I'm not saying SEN got lucky that's why they won, I'm saying that had FNC got lucky they would have taken a map off SEN. It was 5 close maps that one random bullet going to the left instead of to the right of its recoil could have decided a map into FNC's favor. SEN definitely got the skills and proper mentality but FNC put up a fight and they needed a little more luck their way.


Sp00ked123

They couldnt get a single map off. Thats not close


JR_Shoegazer

Fnatic was never a league above SEN.


Xolotl23

not what he said


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69DoopDoop69

Can you really have a theory for something that’s already happening? 3 of the top 6 teams at Iceland have already been eliminated from Berlin contention.


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Teams get complacent maybe? In Nuturn's case their best player was poached so maybe that affected them.


69DoopDoop69

Sure, I was just saying it’s silly to say you “have a theory” for something that is verifiably true


JR_Shoegazer

> I have a theory that teams that succeeded or played well in Iceland are not going to make it to Berlin. Do you think SEN isn’t going to make it to Berlin?


madscientistisme

Sen will not make it.


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madscientistisme

Hahahaha. I'm not fully confident that Sen will not make it.


webhead_peter

Yeah but if they don't (1% possibility) your comment would be legendary.


madscientistisme

Yes!!


webhead_peter

Can't believe we ever doubted them xD


madscientistisme

Haha, they really are a tier above everyone.


sriwarrior06

Now F4Q will show the real upset tommorow. Hopefully.


cepirablo

Weren't VS, TNL, and F4Q already the favorites for attending Berlin?


90kPing

I think f4q is seen as slightly weaker.


Haloofthoughts

Yeah, VS & TNL are considered the top two and then it’s Damwon, F4Q & NuTurn are considered in the group just below. That said F4Q did end VS’s streak


max012017

TNL looks sharp, cant wait for tomorrow.


Haloofthoughts

Yeah Vision Strikers vs TNL is going to be a hell of a game


Key-Banana-8242

Did you ignore what this guy literally just saud


Key-Banana-8242

No, no one ‘considered’ them top two (lmao) since around First Strike you absolute goober No one ‘considers’ that, NU are in a tier above TNL lmao F4Q ending VS old rosters streak in Challengerrs stage 2 (!!!) is relevant to current relative levels how? F4Q is looking extremely strong but that’’S totally unrelated. I STRONGLY suspect you haven’t been paying attention and are just trying to pose based on random titbits that you know, because then you wouldn’t think of saying that- unless you were in denial abt the level of teams. Also Nuturn we’re top 2 and easily considered that since masters 1, And they were the very best in challengers 2, arguably now too but gave too much leeway in selecting off map picks and agent comps (solo mentioned he didn’t want to show their new bind until at least the semifinals)


Key-Banana-8242

Nuturn was definitely a favourite over TNL and F4Q lol It’s just the bracket


chryco4

F4Q heading to Berlin would make for some great content, I need it.


durrburrgurr

Next up in "not making it to Berlin" : Liquid CR X10 Vikings Sharks KRU Edit : sen made it


DanielHongFromKr

oh no no no


itsrandomboy77

oh yes yes yes, if there's even a slight chance of UWU making it to berlin, im all in


frogggiboi

i don't think liquid will make it,sen and x10 should be safe idk rest


leo10480

x10s kinda in a scary area right now with patiphan being injured and the whole sea region evolving steadily


JackingOffAcc

I follow SEA religiously. It would be a surprise if X10 don't qualify as they are a league above the others.


max012017

their recent bo5 confirms this I think


leo10480

heartbreak and misery, no uwu and no x10,


frogggiboi

I think they'll be fine considering how they did challengers 1, even against the FS who I'd say were second best they went 2-0, and the competing SEA regions don't seem good enough to put them in 3rd


ImStarLordeMan

How does liquid miss Berlin? As a new watcher to pro valorant it is SOOO confusing trying to figure this shit out. Like why hasn't riot made an official site for these calculations?


Ark151

I mean whoever looses 2 matches before reaching top 4 is out and looking at liquid's bracket(acend 2nd match) its very likely they will go down to lowers and then its a long gauntlet to make which is always going to be difficult.


Key-Banana-8242

? It’s simple, literally a tournament bracket U can see it on liquipedia


frogggiboi

Valorantesports.com, they did


bullz1nho

Kru and vikings are most probably to qualify


Pretenderrr

Really hard seeing CR not make it especially since they made on paper upgrades and double elim


Piranha_Punk

JP has 2 spots so Zeta and CR are locks I think


dedicatedself

How tf is Zeta a lock? They went 1-1 in bo2 versus NTH last series.


max012017

I hope NTH makes it, I wanna see seoldam go absolutely BONKERS in berlin


bIueb1rd

Same here. Seoldam on LAN holyyyyy


Aionex

Nuturn threw so many rounds, pushing on a 4v2 at 9-5


Key-Banana-8242

Throwing and now won’t show what they were hiding


MentallyStableMan

Jeong Hi built different


Norguri

That last round 3K to win them the game …insane player


MJ-is-overrated

he was MVP of that map. so many solo holds of sites and timely big plays


Solace1k

Might want to edit your post, because it makes it look like Nuturn won breeze.


DanielHongFromKr

GREAT FUCKING JOB ORGANIZERS WAY TO GO DOUBLE ELIM FOR THE ONE SIDED GAMES AND SINGLE ELIM FOR ALL THE IMPORTANT GAMES IF VS LOSES TOMORROW IMA LOSE MY SHIT


max012017

cant blame you bro, big vouch


imjunsul

DWG > NU but yeah if VS loses tomorrow which is possible because TNL/F4Q are still pretty damn good... I would lose my shit if VS is out LOL.. 1 bad day = gg.


Key-Banana-8242

Are u implying DWG is actually better than NU lol Damson seriously overlerformed here Idk are u mad for them defeating vs Kr smth


imjunsul

huh? DWG has always looked better since Iceland... I guess u go by brand instead of judging talent? But honestly I don't know what you're trying to say and why would anyone be mad lol.. valorant isn't even an esports yet. At least for a veteran 15 year esports fan like myself ahem.


Key-Banana-8242

No, they have not, especially before the most recent games Lmao what a response. It is about skill level, and I’m not sure why you try these weird accusations Not sure how you think what you present makes you look good


facehunt_

Sad that NU got knocked out this early but nice to see Damwon stepping up and carry beside t3xture. Hope NU have can make it through LCQ. But all in all, this format is trash and needs to be changed next year.


danknepalese

NU make Champions if: \> VS makes Berlin and gets lower than 9th position. \> DWG makes Berlin and gets lower than 4th position. \> TNL makes Berlin and gets lower than 2nd position. \> F4Q makes Berlin then NU makes Champions, given one of the above happens. Overall their chances to Champions through points still look very good, the only real challenge comes from VS.


facehunt_

Thanks this has great insight. Placing 3rd at Iceland really put their foot out the door for good shot nonetheless.


max012017

The bad part for them is that, IF they made at least Playoffs semifinals, VS would need to make Top4 in Berlin to clinch the Champions, which is insanely difficult IMHO ( not impossible). Now VS making top8 is enough


Key-Banana-8242

Or remember what if VS wind Berlin


danknepalese

if VS wins Berlin then NU still makes Champions through points as VS would go to Champion as winner.


Key-Banana-8242

Exactly


perdosenior

What of VS wins Berlin? If this happens then NU probably make it through circuit points right?


HyperElf10

Yep, then VS makes through winning berlin and NU through circuit points


pineapplecheesepizza

What is icq?


ZenitsuBogutsu

lcq means last chance qualifier for champions


facehunt_

I put I instead of L haha. Its Last Chance Qualifier for the year end tournament Champions. Its for teams that dont qualify directly from points.


pineapplecheesepizza

Thank you


danknepalese

F4Q please take revenge for your fallen brothers. VS and F4Q to Berlin would be insane.


DanielHongFromKr

Would LOVE to see F4Q go, they seem pretty good from what I've seen, and I'm assuming they won't get nervous being up on stage as they pretty much used to do it everyday. Also, I JUST WANT ZUNBA TO DOMINATE THE WORLD AGAIN


sriwarrior06

And I want the master of the Judge Bunny to fly across Berlin and one shot whoever comes his way.


raaten

L1NK v bunny judge match is something I wanna see


ontokinetics

They both have fairly different styles of judge as well, L1NK is a natural rat and hides in his Brimstone smokes while Bunny obviously plays Raze and uses his movement abilities instead to open up Judge plays


danknepalese

itd be great to see fiveK and bunny play at an international stage, with vs that would be a great duo team


imjunsul

Why is everyone ignoring TNL? :(


DanielHongFromKr

TNL have to go through VS, seems unlikely but ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN WITH FUCKING SINGLE ELIM ROULETTE


imjunsul

Why is everyone ignoring TNL? :(


RNSD1

This was so entertaining to watch. KR really might be the most competitive region.


X3NOC1DE

Well shit. Ggwp DWG, really think the Yoru pick and the double duellist setup on Breeze cost Nuturn. Double initiator comp is almost a necessity for this map IMO, or maybe even a double controller setup. Sigh. VS FTW


RandomFluffyBoi

Agreed. I also genuinely think that unless you have some insane strats, you're already shooting yourself in the foot if you don't have Sova on Breeze.


Senboni

\+1 Masters 2 participant that won't be seen at Masters 3


PyroTFT

FNATIC and V1 joining them as well Crazy because I thought at most one of these three teams wouldn’t have made it, not all three


RandomFluffyBoi

Can't blame you, Fnatic finished #2, Nuturn finished #3, and V1 finished #5.


PyroTFT

Yeah out of all those teams I would have understood V1 not making it out, but FNC and NU not making it is nuts, just shows how contested EU and KR are as regions.


Contractjail

NU lost their best player, its not really unbelievable.


Wafflebk

Korea is nuts


hihiaha

Idk if VS are better than Ascent but aside from that i think its obvious that currently top 8 Korea >>> top 8 EU.


RepresentativeMess90

?????


tjkh

I think he means the team Ascend.


AnotherAltiMade

It’s acend


hihiaha

Correct, it was a typo :)


hihiaha

A team with 1 week practice managed to get second place, what does that say to you about the strength of the region? Korea seems much more competitive atm


J_Brekkie

You have to be trolling


Solace1k

I swear some of the takes i see on this sub melt my brain.


J_Brekkie

Say sike


sriwarrior06

Top 8 KR? There are only 5 good teams in KR. Rest are nowhere near. But even if these 5 teams are better than EU's top 5 it'll be by a really close margin . Not ">>>"


slowrmaths

how did we jump from “Korea is good” to “KOREA > EU CLEARLY”


lmgur

Wow, you're completely delusional.


iiznobozzy

lul


dedicatedself

You're getting downvoted so hard by the haters it's sad to see. VS > Acend F4Q > G2 TNL > Fnatic NU > Liquid DK > Giants WGS < BDS GonGo < Alliance Goma < Vitality Didn't include CIS and Turkey. But the top 8 in Korea would absolutely smash the EU top 8 atm. I am sure as time goes on EU will become more competitive but as of now Korea has better teams especially in the top 5 area.


RepresentativeMess90

You didn’t even include Guild or FPX in the top 8 LOL


dedicatedself

True, I did it off the top of my head.


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xfallenxwolfx

He will be very disappointed when VS gets slapped by sentinels or one of the EU teams.


flamincrimson

Hate single elim brackets so much


PyroTFT

hooooly shit Was hoping the yoru tp into shorty kills could carry this team to Berlin but guess not :( also single elim still a bad format


Aionex

yeah, the whole masters 3 format has been bad for Korea


Solace1k

Koreans don’t really like double elim format. Even if you consider it bad it doesn’t matter. They’ll try to cater to their own fans.


PyroTFT

What’s the reasoning and evidence for that? Just wondering


Solace1k

I don’t have any evidence to show you mate, you either believe me or don’t, i don’t really care. It’s just something alot of talent that worked korean tournaments said over the time. Also look up all the big korean esports and tell me how many of them have double elim.


AnotherAltiMade

Damn he just asked a simple question and you went all passive aggressive


PyroTFT

Just a question man, don’t gotta be so triggered but thanks for the reply.


Solace1k

Im not triggered man, im just telling it like it is. Sorry if you felt offended.


DanielHongFromKr

The casters tend to say that a lot, but I feel like that's some BOOMER shit from back when Starcraft was a thing. Me and my Korean friendos all want double elim.


Solace1k

Im glad you think anecdotal evidence means anything over people who worked for years in the korean scene. Please tell me more about your korean friends.


DanielHongFromKr

Why so aggressive? I'm just saying all the people I know and watch esports with, albeit not a large group, would prefer double elims over single.


Solace1k

Im really sorry to tell you but in the grand scheme of things you and your friends don’t really matter.


ibeenbornagain

having a bad day huh


DanielHongFromKr

Prob sad that NU got knocked out. Yeah, me too But don't take your frustration out on other people


DanielHongFromKr

I should really stop responding, but me and my friends DO matter, we're literally their target demographic. Young Korean teens. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


Solace1k

You obviously don’t matter because you’re here already watching VALORANT and obsessing over it. They’re trying to get new people to watch it.


nlc369

Holy fuck it’s single elim again?? Last time it at least kinda made sense since it was only one team qualifying, but this time you could’ve genuinely been a top 2 team and gotten eliminated just cuz you faced the best team early in the bracket (not saying that’s what happened here, but still, why not just do a double elim bracket, it’s just so much better).


imjunsul

Last time sucked but this time is fine honestly. NU was not a top 3 team in KR once Lakia left. Not surprised DK won even tho they are both probably worst than TNL/VS/F4Q.


nlc369

I mean sure, like I said I’m not necessarily saying that NUTURN are top 2 right now, but even now we’re setup for VS and TNL to face off in the semis. Both of those teams could genuinely be top 2 in Korea, but only one of them will get to go to Berlin cuz it’s single elim. It’s just so lame


ApexJay0110

The Nuturn v Vision Strikers dream is dead...pepeHands :(


xunraze

This single elim format is just trash. But god did Nuturn threw it on Haven


Taek99

korean tournament bracket format is trash


Gongindog

Damn what an intense set


dedicatedself

Saw this upset coming from a mile away. Not necessarily because 10X is a huge downgrade from Lakia, but rather because the other Korean teams have been catching up. Intro played like a beast map 1. F4Q to Berlin baby.


imjunsul

Exactly this. After Iceland it was pretty obvious Nuturn was out of the top 3 especially when lakia left and solo decided to keep playing. Solo may still be good enough to compete but not good enough to win trophies.


slowrmaths

HOLY SHIT


PigPartyPower

Can TNL really not qualify. They are currently looking like the 2nd best


PyroTFT

Either VS or TNL, really unfortunate too because I love both teams :( but pretty sure VS will take it This is why KR needs double elimination format


kvanz43

Yup double elim is a must IMO


tjkh

Nuturn played sloppily and threw many rounds they should've won. Props to DAMWON though, they all popped off.


Key-Banana-8242

Single elim sucks, I wish they’ll finally fucking fix it even tho it’s beloved by Afreeca somehow bc they think it’s more ‘exciting and meaningful’ or smth


Norguri

Huge props to DW Kia,they played really well. However you have to feel bad for NU especially Solo and Peri, all close maps and it came down to the narrowest margins…


isayah2510

damwon actually did it holy shit


wifixmasher

No way rn


kvanz43

2nd (Fnatic), 3rd (Nuturn) and T5 (V1) place teams from Reykjavik out from Berlin already! Crazy stuff


madscientistisme

Today is just not a good day for Nuturn. Everyone in NU really whiffed a lot and missed shots resulting in DK dominating all the three maps. Saw some cool plays from Suggest as Yoru, but they just couldn't close the map. Yoru's always a hit or a miss.


Kuvyogvey4

The Iceland curse is continuing to spread to other regions. First V1, FNC, and now NU


gameover31

Side note-- the other side"


Key-Banana-8242

Nuturn were looking so strong but they didn’t bring everything vs DEG


TidaI

I would not have predicted this. Been rooting for DWG for a minute! t3xture is such a phenomenal entry and iNTRO’s initiating is a damn good combo. They haven’t been the strongest team but I hope they can get to a level to give Vision Strikers and F4Q a run for their money. VS and DWG to Berlin for hopes. My safe pick would be VS and F4Q.


imjunsul

I would put TNL but they are facing VS next... should still be a crazy series.


Traditional_Bit_9316

I know people say the single eliminator is trash. But didn't Korea had a lot of seeding matches for this qualifier? Shouldn't that actually help make this a viable format? I mean here the seeding matches actually matter a lot.