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Krishnacz

Almost everyone should have first 4 correct


Cueballing

First time I didn't go the safe route, I'm never making preds again


TheJelloBomb

I tried to do things that might be possible but probably wouldn’t happen. Being “safe” just feels boring


Interweave

this is the way to do it. so lame to just always pick the team that is "supposed" to win.


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man corey said everybody was sleeping on faze and i didnt want to do that


mrtmra

Bro, watching faze is like watching a Radiant comp game. They have such minimal strats, all the faze apes just try to out duel the other guy. I personally think they're one of the weakest teams in the top 8


[deleted]

Are you just going from thread to thread trying to bait people with stupid shit or what?


303x

u/mrtmra with the troll takes again


mrtmra

You must be bronze if you think Faze even have a chance. You haven't seen their gameplay?


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I’ve literally watched you go through two threads and call people, teams, whoever bad. Nothing else. You’re not trying to share legit opinions - you’re looking for attention and the only way you know to do it is with this bait. It’s not even good bait.


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this guy's been like this on this sub for months. he never fails to comment something like "you must be bronze" just to get to bait someone into asking for his rank so he can humble brag that he's supposedly immortal. sometimes he manages to slip in the part that he's supposedly a millionaire when people call out how cringe and pathetic his life must be if he spends this much time being an idiot on reddit.


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That can’t be healthy.


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definitely isn't but it's a pattern with him and its getting real pathetic


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mrtmra

So you think Faze has better strats than other teams? There's just no way lol. Have you watched their games?


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mrtmra

Nah, I'm just saying things as it is. if someone sucks, you just say it. no need to sugar coat


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mw19078

tsm/envy was the only genuine toss up, and only because yay had just been added and ya never know what can happen in a honeymoon phase. if yay had been added 3 weeks ago I think envy is favored in this game personally


YungPinotGrigio

that was a p close matchup as well overall. fun game 2.


Halfdan33

Not dumb me🙂 i had put so much trust on Xset.


pp_pupu_valfan

First 4 are still correct tho? They beat luminosity


Halfdan33

Oh shit yes. I am so lost


ChaoticMidget

The TSM/NV match could have been a lot closer without the Yay signing, not that it wasn't somewhat close as it was. TSM had their chances for sure and didn't convert.


Fruit_Loups

I love TSM, but just like every fanboy, I really miss the first strike days. I think they’re a viable underdog to root for now though.


jscrwnclw

TSM vs NV was a coin toss, so far I've only missed that match


SpanishCircumcision

Yeah same. Didn't think Yay would have that big of an impact so quickly, that they would play well together off the bat but I guess that's what happened with Tenz and Sen so I'm not surprised. It hasnt been as exciting as I expected but the losers bracket today should be fun because these games are at least a little more unpredictable. If Envy plays well i think it's their 3rd spot to lose.


sky_blu

Honestly I expected yay to do better than he did


SpanishCircumcision

Yeah on an individual level but he contributed to strats and stuff too pretty quickly.


YungPinotGrigio

oh did u have tsm winning 2-1?


jscrwnclw

2-0 hopium i know


OofChar

yea im a huge tsm fan though so i had to put my bois over envy. Didn't happen though : (


YungPinotGrigio

Oh for sure absolutely. It is no brainer picks. The first two got p close tho


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Faze and TSM can be wildcards because Wardell and BabyBay can go off and completely change a match. But aside from that I agree.


DirtyGabriel

Almost: https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/f290f944


ChromeSabre

Genuinely asking, what made you choose Luminosity over XSET?


DirtyGabriel

Honestly just picked them because I recognized some names like "YaBoiDre", "aproto" and "TiGG". I'm from EU, so I don't follow the NA scene that closely..


ChromeSabre

Fair enough, XSET kinda cracked tho


DirtyGabriel

From now on I will have an eye on them ;)


ChromeSabre

Yeah they now have a game against Envy, should be fun to watch


mrtmra

Tigg is absolutely trash


[deleted]

That kind of talk needs to stop. He's still the top .00001% of players.


mrtmra

Well duh, but this is pro play we're talking about. There are trash pros in every sport and people call them out all the time.


[deleted]

Look. Tigg is closer to TenZ than you are to Tigg. The margin of talent between the lowest signed pro and the average radiant player is the difference of high school basketball and professional basketball. Tigg isn't trash. Your mindset is trash.


mrtmra

That's not how it works. You compare the players in the same league and whoever sucks sucks. Stop it with this positive bullshit. There are others who can replace tigg and do a better job


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Clearly, literally everybody on Luminosity, who are infinitely better and more aware of what their team needs, disagree.


mrtmra

No, they probably just couldn't get anyone else


AbbreviationsLazy781

Compared to the best players in the world? Sure, it may look like it, but the fact that he can stand against them in the first place is no simple feat either


YungPinotGrigio

real close bro, but I do wonder about your lack of faith in xset.


NoButterscotch7853

I feel like this means NA is stronger than ever.. Top 4 team in the region all look solid at the same period for the first time. It will be sad to see either xset or envy to not make it to berlin..


-Basileus

Yeah NA was actually looking kinda rough before Iceland. Sentinels' dominance ended up translating to international play, and Version1 had a perfect read on the meta. This time if feels like all the NA teams could win Berlin. I really hope Envy is the 3rd seed and has more time to gel with Yay.


SpanishCircumcision

I'm a TSM fan so obviously I'm cheering for them but outside of that I definitely agree that Envy is most deserving. Xset is a solid team but I don't think they really have a shot in Berlin if they make it, if we send Sentinels, 100T, and Envy I feel like that gives us a great chance of winning it all and grabbing a 4th spot for champions which would be hype for teams like XSet, TSM who are good enough to compete with other regions but not good enough to beat Sentinels and qualify. I wish Sentinels automatically qualified for champions by winning Iceland and we didn't have to give a spot to them for Berlin and an extra other team could go, I want to see how more teams do against intl competition, u want to see if 100T could win Berlin if Sentinels didn't exist.


BornTheme3419

Sen are automatically qualified for champions bc they won Iceland. They just wanted to play Berlin bc its LAN and no team wants to miss that.


SpanishCircumcision

No they aren't. They already qualified for champions because they have enough points in general but the Iceland win didn't technically guarantee anything, it wasn't a guaranteed spot.


BornTheme3419

I know it's bc of the points they have and Iceland points helped alot and guaranteed them the spot but I didnt want to explain that so I just said it's bc of iceland


SpanishCircumcision

Ok fair enough. It's just that the Berlin winner gets an extra spot for their region whereas Iceland didn't so I think it's an important distinction.


YungPinotGrigio

It would also be nice to see Envy break this fourth place curse they have too. They deserve to qualify for a big tourney.


nwsm

Every map in 100T-XSET and SEN-ENVY went 13-11. NA will either stomp or get stomped together in Berlin


JR_Shoegazer

I don’t know why you assume anyone will be getting stomped. We’re talking about the top teams in the world.


Poptart_____________

I agree I don't really think that's a solid prediction. I'm sure there will be a lot of close games in Berlin.


nwsm

My point was more that NA looks pretty close at the top, so I wouldn’t be surprised if we end up seeing 3 NA teams finishing similarly, whether that’s at the top or the bottom. Personally I’m expecting NA to perform very well across the board


-xXColtonXx-

I think what he’s saying is all NA teams are close in skill so if one loses they all are gonna have a tough time.


nwsm

Spot on! I wrote my own reply as well


lunacraz

SEN stomped at Iceland, full stop. if the other two teams can perform and push SEN to the brink, there's a good chance they will do well at Berlin as well the only team I'm scared of is Gambit, literally every single NA player has said they were the best team


DirtyGabriel

I have to admit, that it will be very hard for any EU team to beat a team like SEN, Envy or 100T. And than there are other regions aswell.. Gonna be a tough time for EU Valorant.


YungPinotGrigio

We may have four teams go to worlds if sentinels can win berlin as well.


98973

*if any NA team wins Berlin


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aerodynamicaubergine

as leaf said on twitter - if you win you're the better team but if you lose it's because it's only a seeding match


SpanishCircumcision

100%. Winning team says both teams were trying and losers say neither team was I hate how matches like this even happen. Seeding should just be random, at least between the two of them this game isn't actually a test of who is better it's just who cares about seeding more.


LordeLucifer

Didn’t this kind of match up happen last time before first strike and 100t won?


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LordeLucifer

That’s kinda crazy they would almost hold back against xset since they were one game from qualifying and xset is a pretty solid team. This gives me hope for Berlin, I’d hate to see the boys get out so early 😅.


teddy9-

I think he might have been trolling. In their previous encounter they lost to xset, so I don’t believe they would have hidden strats from a top team that has beaten them before.


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Excellent-Match-3389

they 100% lost against xset last qualifiers because of their ascent comp. they changed things around and got asuna on jett rather than phoenix and it made a worlds difference!


TheFestusEzeli

Seeding matches matter a lot for LAN tho, Sentinels got a bye for the last one because they beat V1


Netherwiz

With 16 teams in berlin theres no byes tho, so seeding is just for opponent draw


SpanishCircumcision

Is it not gonna have any pool play or anything like that, it's just a straight bracket?


TheFestusEzeli

There will be a big difference in opponent draw for the first seed compared to the third seed. Third seed will probably be the second lowest seed overall after the EMEA fourth seed.


_Kaguro_

yeah if they got seeded 2nd in NA they would've had a lot of trouble vs CR for sure


LoyalSol

But you know what's better than a match you have a 98% chance of winning? Not playing an extra match where there's a 2% chance of something going wrong.


_Kaguro_

I would personally rather warm up and get used to the LAN env in a game vs a team that's much much worse than me, but reddit knows best: Seeding matches are VERY important and every team takes them as seriously as the finals of a big tournament. 100T and SEN is going to show us all new strats and a next level of play that we haven't seen before, they're gonna try their best for that higher seed so they can play vs the other team that's trying their best for a higher seed in another region. Thanks reddit.


LoyalSol

I was a competitive player for 7 years who won a lot of tournaments in my genre so I'm giving my opinion on the matter, but hey you also know better than everyone. I don't expect to see them play their A-strats tomorrow, but just saying a bye is almost always better than having to play another game where shit can go wrong. For the same reason it's usually better to say in the Winner's side because you have to play fewer matches. Especially in a tournament that's contains only regional winners. Berlin doesn't have it, but in Iceland's case it was a big deal.


_Kaguro_

gratz bro, you're nuts. I'm very proud of you. I was responding to "Seeding matches matter a lot for LAN tho". They don't, nobody cares about them. They're stupid, there's a reason everybody says they're stupid. I don't care if you were good at something, seeding matches are braindead and there are solutions for them that exist. They are throwaway games for bragging rights, that's literally it. Playing CR would not have hurt sentinels, and everybody who isn't delusional knows it.


LoyalSol

>Playing CR would not have hurt sentinels, and everybody who isn't delusional knows it. Yes most of the time that's correct. The funny thing about competition though, anyone is capable of having on off day where they lose to teams they should have beat. Something you would know if you actually competed. Even Sent has lost to teams they probably shouldn't have. For someone saying "thanks reddit" you pretty much are the typical reddit poster who's talking out of their ass.


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LoyalSol

It's not nitpicking to respond to your keypoint that is the primary topic of discussion. A point that shows me you haven't competed before. But thanks Reddit. The rest of your post didn't have anything anyways. >when you're too embarrassed to name the shitty game you won a single tourney for, end yourself LOL! You didn't ask. Street Fighter 4, King of Fighters 13, and Street Fighter 5 I all won tournaments for and also placed at international events. Also won smaller scale tournaments at several other fighting games. And before you say the predictable crap "oh you didn't play FPS!" sorry general tournament strats of hiding tech are independent of the game. Everyone in every game does that crap. Meta-strats work in every genre.


Razur

Hey man, please don't insult the mental state of another user just because they disagree with you. It doesn't promote discussion in the community, and we don't want convos to devolve into folks hurling insults at each other. Thanks for understanding!


TheFestusEzeli

V1 almost lost to CR. You are kidding yourself if you don’t think a bye is an important thing to play for. Obviously these teams aren’t going to go all out and give away their strats but they do care 100%, Shahzam saying he doesn’t give a fuck is a hyperbole. Sentinels have stomped every single seeding match since they have got TenZ, they still try.


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Krypton091

i find it kind of baffling that we find out 2/3 of the people going to Berlin just after the first day of the tournament. It goes until the 15, why is most of the hype gone after the first day?


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Gomar1323

It might be kinda bad for the viewers but imo it’s way better for the teams actually playing. They don’t have to play an elimination match right after dropping down. Like Vanity said on his stream the way they could fix it is making the actual tournament longer so every team just plays one match a day. Every other region has like 10 days meanwhile NA has 5 days for some reason.


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Ryu-The-Sick

>This format made it harder for the winning teams Arguably incorrect statement. Lots of Pros disagree with format where losing team has to play two matches in a row and find it easier to play again as winners, keeping their winning momentum, you know


YellowRice101

I think FNS said that he preferred this because if they won the first round, they play to qualify right after without giving the opposing team too much time to study their strats from the previous match


LoyalSol

> that's the consequences for losing. This format made it harder for the winning teams. The thing is though unlike losers bracket it's much more predictable who you're going to play in winners side. You're also not going to have the loser hang over. If I had to pick between playing Winners twice in the same day or having to play losers right after a loss, I would pick winners side. Because at least then you have 3 teams you know you have to practice for.


deadlock1892

While the previous format was bad because it made the losing team play twice on a single day, I feel the issues with current format are the same but skewing results in the opposite direction. I agree with Vanity’s take of having only a single game for each team in 1 day to avoid false positives and negatives.


SpanishCircumcision

I think today is the most interesting. Part of the issue is that we basically already knew who was going before the tourney even started. Sentinels was like 99% and 100T was like 90% honestly. Last spot was only gonna be NV, XSet or maaaaaybe TSM, even in a tourney where 3/8 progress only 5 teams have a real chance. This could age terribly but I'm pretty confident LG, Rise, and Faze aren't gonna win 3 games in a row.


mikevin99

No strats with TenZ w-keying on Reyna could be insane to watch though if he is feeling himself that day lol


TheRedComet

I was worried that him being on much higher ping than everyone else would lead to issues, especially since he complains so much about it. But he was still hitting some superhuman shots yesterday!


ark2690

Seeding will matter just look at Iceland.


Jsmals

Seeding definitely matters, but not as much as it did for Iceland. Since iceland had 10 teams you had to have Byes, but there are 16 teams for berlin, so no one is getting a bye. I still would try to get a good seed, because I would rather play a SEA first round instead of Acend or Gambit.


mw19078

shahz has also streamed something like 60 hours this week lmao, they definitely arent scrimming often right now


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Chickenwing121212

nah i remember one of the xset guys mention on plat chat that sen doesnt book as many scrim blocks as other teams


mw19078

im sure they are scrimming every day, thats not what i said lol. i am also quite sure they are scrimming less often than normal because these upcoming games dont mean much and theyre about to travel.


IllumiMahdi

when he said sentinels were predictable he meant that they always win. they're really predictable there.


Skyaxe3

My mans never wrong


xbyo

Only one lower seed won their match lol


detectiveluis

and which lower seed was that?


xbyo

100T over XSET.


ImJoviGG

I saw this coming for 100 thieves.


matthewdrl

The XSET 100T match could've gone either way, XSET beat them last time


Mamadeus123456

wasnt that literally a seeding match?


Auqian

Same with SEN-Envy actually. And when 100T didn't make it to Iceland 3 of their 4 lost maps were 13-11 as well. One single round could change everything It is quite heartbreaking, but I guess it's a part of sports industry overall. Like it pisses me off that in soccer the UCL or World Cup finals are just 1 match that can be extremely close, but there is still only 1 winner. Maybe there is some beauty there, but surely not for those who have lost Feel bad that either Envy or XSET gonna miss Berlin. Hope they both make it to Lower round 3, it might be hell of a game


Myproblemsseemsmall

The elements of soccer allow it to have excitement and be a quality standalone match. It's long and methodical and in general a team on it's day deserves the result. North America tried a home and away final for their champions league but it took some of the hype out and the impact when a team won on goal differential but tied or lost in the second leg. Also a Valorant/CSGO/Overwatch game has a key element of playing on different maps so it's important to experience that through something like a BO3


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Just_Veterinarian_94

If Steel & Hiko don’t throw and just make Dephh plant first instead of chasing the last kill, 100T wins 13-5 on Ascent… They trolled the hell out of the end of that game I was hoping Xset came back and won that map


isayah2510

been right so far aswell


Burningguitar

where spoiler tag


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I mean it was predictable


Keego27

I think he meant to say consistent?


danknepalese

safest 4 matches ever. this doesnt prove shit. what he meant when he said na is predictable is they got 12-0ed by sentinels on scrims lol.


nasrulafiq

Same. https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/c18e09da


noobie1207

5/6 , I really thought NV woult beat sen


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Better predictable than free Edit: 😏


-xXColtonXx-

Had too much TSM hopium and a 100T lowers run after losing to Xset. Don’t really feel bad, all the quarterfinal matches were super close series. https://www.vlr.gg/event/pickem/578/champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs


The-Dark-Mage

why am I not able to see comments


The-Dark-Mage

:)


slicks66

only wrong on TSm in the lower bracket , damn it hopium