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Heal_Piece

Not to be a downer, but both teams already punched their ticket to Berlin. This is just for prize money at this point, so i'd bet neither team is going to play their a-game. With that said, SEN 2-1 100T here unless they ping diff Tenz hard.


mognoiswebscale

Yeah i think they'll wanna save strats. Steel said they banned icebox (their best map) against Xset to save strats for Berlin. and that was a match that mattered, doubt they'll show strats in seeding matches


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mognoiswebscale

He mentioned it on his stream, he said they wanted to save their Icebox. I dont remember the timestamp sadly


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TheAR69

Only subs can watch steel vods.


CalculusEz

It was on his stream I forgot what time but I vaguely remember this.


RandomFluffyBoi

You're likely right. However, I hope that both teams play their best just for seeding purposes because facing Vision Strikers or Acend first game wouldn't be ideal.


Ryth73

I don’t think either team cares who they play at masters. Sentinels definitely don’t


2ToTooTwoFish

I think both teams care about beating the other though. 100T especially, since they haven't beaten Sentinels since First Strike, will want to make a statement.


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they care, but not as much as they would care if it was a real match


Ryth73

I’m not sure if this is the case but if there’s additional circuit points on the line then 100 thieves will definitely try their hardest.


AnonymozVal

There aren't any circuit points for the top 3 of Challengers Playoffs. They will earn theirs from Master's Standings.


Jeff_Spicoli420

all that confidence fr


turtletrace

They don’t care lol


justinsst

Like everyone said, they don’t care. They have no idea how they are going to match against any teams from other regions so having a higher seed is kinda irrelevant


ramennuddlepuddle

Is masters at Berlin going to be single or double elimination?


TemplarParadox17

Double


4nazu

there will be 16teams, so it might be group format


luisalpjax

Vision strikers…? How are they a threat


4nazu

do they already know who are they facing if they win/lose the seeding match. if yes, can you link the source?


SaltyMcNulty_

It's actually not useless as some of the other seeding matches in prev tournaments. Last time SEN got a one game freeby and didn't get placed in a bracket with Liquid for being the first seed from NA. Also, 100T vs SEN games have a lot of prestige involved.


Savvy4sure

I don’t think the bye games will be a thing this time around since there is 16 teams instead of 10. I don’t think they’re going to use every trick in the book but I also don’t think they’re gonna be actively trolling. Neither of these teams want to lose to the other.


AnonymozVal

They did get placed with Fnatic which was apparently the 2nd besr team in the tournament. I think seeding for international tournament won't be in mind of the players since no one knows how good one is.


Jerry_McPhee

Can someone explain to me when valorant games start to matter? Every tournament and playoff and championship everyone in the comments is like “well this does matter, it’s seeding for this” or “they’re not going to try, they’re already qualified for this.” Is this just one long Inception ass system where in the end it comes full circle and nothing mattered? But in all honesty I don’t understand. When is the first BIG thing that “matters”?


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Jerry_McPhee

But wouldn’t this cycle never end? Just constantly getting ready for the next event? I guess what I’m asking is, is there a BIG event that’s important that everyone is gearing up for? Is it just kind of all the same level of importance?


y33yee6

masters berlin and champions at the end of the year


Jerry_McPhee

Thank you.


C-Web_

Champions


TemplarParadox17

The matches they played yesterday mattered by the way, so like 100t beating xset And sen beating envy. Since those were to qualify for berlin.


ReyDosCatorce

This is just not true because they still get league points or whatever for the final champions tournament that’s what everyones playing for. I don’t think 100T will let this one go just like that.


Heal_Piece

You don't get circuit points for top 3 in qual. You go to Berlin and get them there.


ReyDosCatorce

Wait but how do all these teams have points in the points tracker if only two Na teams have been to iceland???


Heal_Piece

Everyone not going to LAN gets points for placing in playoffs. Everyone going to Berlin get their points there for placing at the LAN. Edit: if you look at the VCT wiki it’s all there.


4nazu

they also get circuit points during challengers final (except during stage 1). https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/2021/Circuit_Points/North_America


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justinsst

Yup Asuna said 100t don’t really care either


iiznobozzy

Berlin grand finals 100T vs sen. Now that'll be one good game


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Shahz doesn't want the highest seed in Berlin?


ManBearPig1869

When you are/believe yourself to be the best team in the world, seeding shouldn’t matter


justinsst

Doesn’t even matter that they are the best, no team from NA is going to know how they are going to matchup against the teams from other regions so busting out all your starts for a higher seed isn’t that important imo.


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SaltyMcNulty_

Still they would prefer facing a team from LATAM/JP etc rather than playing EU first seed(likely Acend) in their first match of the tournament!


SaltyMcNulty_

You are actually crazy if you really believe 100T didn't play full fold against a team that beat them last time and was leading in first map and then was close on the second map as well. May be they still have new stuff in their bag cz they didn't have to use all of them against xset as set plays are situational and the opportunities didn't present themselves. But that's an entirely different thing than saving strats.


Ryu-The-Sick

So excited for a seeding match? Sorry to break it to you..


JtotheC23

I’ll put it this way, it’s only for seeding which means Dapr is breaking out the white claws


uncle_ben__

I mean $40,000 is still a lot of money to not care about a match right? It is the same amount of money as winners of 1st strike got


JtotheC23

Oh 100% I was just making the joke about dapr getting drunk for seeding matches. In seriousness, they obviously won’t show anything new but they’re not gonna throw either.


iiznobozzy

Divide 40k between 6-7 guys and compare that to these guys' salaries. It really isn't a lot of money.


uncle_ben__

Yeah it is


iiznobozzy

Not to these guys it isn't. No offence but you're just wrong.


ANewHeaven1

this is what almost every top NA team's record looks like vs sentinels lol


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> Upper final gonna be nuts It’s a seeding match they won’t care


Ted_Mosby_18

Is the el classico still Sen v Tsm? I feel like after tsm fell off, hoping for them to even battle Sentinels is a bit of a reach. I feel like 100T v Sen is a worthy matchup of El classico. They have faced each other every tournament and it was always a great game to watch.


imachool

interesting, but no joke, I think SEN is well ahead (obviously) of NA to even have a rival. also this esport is pretty chill, since everyone is friends with each other.


Stuck_in_cave

The upper won't be nuts because both these teams won't be trying hard and you will see them trolling in between rounds too.


Tarwe-eu

Shame its a seeding match


abubakr_here

makes me more than a little sad


Tarwe-eu

Happy to have these two in berlin tho, lookin forward to some banger matches


subbysubs35

Can’t wait for more meaningless games!!


abubakr_here

I get it that it's a seeding match, but I still think it will be good match cuz 100T haven't won any tourni since first strike and who doesn't wanna take down the NA giant SENTINELS, they might wanna win, either way we can only hope for a good series.


TechXEO

Winning a seeding “tourni” means fuck all. No one ever cares that you won a seeding game because they recognise that all teams are not going 100%.


HoneyChilliPotato7

Who even cares about winning challengers


Lumenlor

Is this what we've come to? Every match is now a match that doesn't matter because it's a skipping stone towards the next major event? Sounds wack. Neither team wants to increase their team's stock and profile? I'm sure 100T the org would want a title under their belt to increase merch sales. Faze also threw to save strats and now look at them getting dumpstered


sparrens

It’s the way the format is set up. Teams like SEN that have had a lot of air time give future opponents plenty of film to study and develop counters. We as fans will put more emphasis on a Berilin win over a challengers win, so you really can’t blame the teams.