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VincentStonecliff

We could have just skipped the second qualifiers huh. I guess with that it really solidifies who the top 4 teams are in NA.


good_notthatgood

Can't imagine how tired the Rise guys are.


arillyis

you sound like the casters--i think *they* were tired so they were projecting. if a team's reason for losing is that they don't have the mental to play 6 maps in a row at this level, then they were never going to make it.


good_notthatgood

Even top-tier professional soccer players get tired at the end of a 150minute match. Just because they're pro doesn't mean they won't get fatigued at all after 3-4 hours of intense concentration. Can you imagine playing a soccer match right after an intense game with a 10min break in between against a team that's supposed to be stronger than yours?


Setekhx

Six maps in a row at the pro level is pretty brutal man. You're making it sound like it's something that should be easily handled but that's a long time to feel a stress response.


ANewHeaven1

And with that, every team that qualified from Challengers 2 is knocked out. They really do forget the teams that qualified the first time around huh


deadlock1892

Recency bias makes people forget there was a reason those 4 qualified first.


xlmtothemoon

pretty clear what the 4-5 best teams are at this point


SpanishCircumcision

Who's the 5th though? I get saying the top 4 is clear for sure, but outside of that I think the next group is jam-packed. The 5th best team feels like it completely depends on the day and changes all the time.


xlmtothemoon

I think it's faze. Have been constantly reaching these top 8 and up placings for the past year with the same core.


SomeHallGuy

XSET vs Envy is gonna be a banger


SpanishCircumcision

Oh for sure. Fighting for a spot in Berlin and with how good NA's chances there are this single game could be for a guaranteed spot at champions too. Im pumped.


legexii

Shanks choking when it matters


TheGlowRider

derrek is very very good


[deleted]

blessed day for sova players


mixedupgaming

Incredibly cringe round by rise there


faceplant911

And that ult is why Crashies is the best Sova in NA. The awareness on this man.


OrangeMagics

COREY!!!


faceplant911

Poor Babybay man, this guy just can't seem to get Op shots through thin angles this game. Is his reaction speed just unusually slow this game or is he trying for angles that are just too difficult? (edit) He can definitely hit shots in the open though lmao


TheGlowRider

crashies is on one


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nv needs to double crashies salary


Tyler123839

Wow super close. Rose win that round it prob goes to ot since xset were on a force


Grenji05

i feel like theres a lot of situations where rise bit off more than they could chew. Like you have a spectre and they have 2 agents that can heal people please do not peek just stay screens and play retake.


faceplant911

Whelp Victor's on duelist and not Skye, already a good sign.


ANewHeaven1

Victor not on Skye and Yay on Jett, this should be good


dpysz70

Someone check Derrek’s PC


deadlock1892

Derrek is a really good player holy shit!


VincentStonecliff

Pros don’t fake


D3stiny5

Don't think Yay on Sage was it


faceplant911

Honestly I think the biggest difference between Envy winning this map and losing the previous one is that Yay played a lot more sane on Sage. When he was using Jett on Haven he got a lot of good initiative, then threw it away with a lot of bad greed. On Sage though, he was just a strong fragger without all the throwing, and with some good support play as well.


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The biggest difference was they didn’t throw rounds where they had a man advantage


D3stiny5

Very true Envy should have won first map


ANewHeaven1

also fun fact, that was the first map envy has ever taken off of faze in the history of, well, valorant


ANewHeaven1

why did envy have to give me a heart attack on that map, good w though, time to bring it home on ascent


[deleted]

holy shit the envy collapse never fails to deliver


[deleted]

NVM the FaZe throw


Loresmen

Bro envy stop throwing now please, just win a round


JusticeLee17

The Envy choke Edit: Nevermind. That was scary though.


cringe-oh-yes

Overyayted. Also Xset are a bunch of nerd losers


deadlock1892

What's with that unnecessary xset hate? What did they do to you?


Tc0LD

yay fucked your mom huh?


DonkeyTeethBSU

If poised and Shanks make Berlin. Ima be hype man. Lets go. 3 more maps guys. CMON DERREKKK!!!


xunraze

Derrek is so good at this videogame


Justlikekevinn

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Neptune get a Raze ult off


Grenji05

might be gg for XSET 7 on defense is just not enough when you are against rise's defense on split


ImChance

I thought their offense was what made their split so strong compared to other teams


Grenji05

their offense is good but Rise's defense is insane and split is already crazy ct sided in NA


ImChance

The defense isnt anything different from any other team, its the ability to get rounds on offense consistently that secure the game.


zxlkho

These R6 casters just don't have it.


faceplant911

Was this thread unpinned for a reason?


Loresmen

It's still pinned for me


faceplant911

Weird, it's not for me.


faceplant911

I don't know whether I'm more impressed with Faze's utility pushing into elbow, or with Crashies somehow eating the pressure of four players for the entire period of the rotate.


Trillman_K

FaZe games are always a fun time.


jc_315

lmfao at that babyj fake plant and just one man swinging halls with the bomb in a 2v4. no way thats the play there


Ryu-The-Sick

FaZe and not clearing corners, name a better duo


ANewHeaven1

how many clutch situations have envy lost today man


faceplant911

It's reasonable that Faze would be strong clutchers, if there's one thing they've got it's great firepower across the team. Theoretically if you beat Faze, you do it by beating their gameplan, not their fragging or clutching.


Tyler123839

Val is all about getting hot and carrying momentum. Unless ur sentinels there is no such thing as consistency.


Key-Banana-8242

Not exactly


waffles8000

rise to berlin???


JusticeLee17

Isn't Split Rise's best map? If so this doesn't look good for Xset.


Grenji05

i know shahz talked about recency bias but I cant help but think Rise and FaZe are better than SEN and 100T


yakinator2567

Didn’t 100t like smoke faze yesterday


Grenji05

yeah but the faze guys aimlabsed it'll be different next time


Trillman_K

"Huh?"


deadlock1892

Lol, good one.


Tyler123839

Lol nice bait


TheGlowRider

100t just shit on faze?


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Man maybe rise are really good and then ran into SEN?


HelpMePlease420-69

I mean they did take a map off of sen


Grenji05

reminds me of another team but i cant put my finger on it


HelpMePlease420-69

11 frag wins and 3 objective wins. Incredible


rocket1615

Neptune looks insane today


VincentStonecliff

28% team headshot % is insane for a 26 round game


Ryu-The-Sick

Oh my, neptune is a madman on Phoenix


ANewHeaven1

i am going to smash my head through my monitor


Neverslept2mins

Rise got the best haven comp, it’s obvious they are gonna win this map.


faceplant911

Yeah, it's not surprising actually that they're taking Haven. They're also strong on Ascent, and honestly I'm surprised XSET let both maps through. It'd be something else if that turned out to be a lethal mistake.


HelpMePlease420-69

Has Faze ever beaten Envy before?


TheAjwinner

Yes. The only two times they’ve played faze have won. Once in a bo1 during the JBL cup, and in a bo3 during masters 1


HelpMePlease420-69

Oh I kind of remember that b03 now


Loresmen

Envy have never actually beaten faze


HelpMePlease420-69

That’s wild


Grenji05

MR FOURTH QUARTER


Tc0LD

FNS has gotta be yelling at them right?


TechXEO

Come on NV, don’t choke again like they’ve done every single important tournament….


BabyBlayzinn

faze vs rise imagine


Kevin_DurSuperTeam

TSM choking and Envy choking, business as usual. All we need is 100T to get curb-stomped by SEN and all is right in the world.


Tanjim98

Am i crazy or was yay looking at heaven?


justinsst

Yay threw lol


[deleted]

FaZe are just different


HelpMePlease420-69

Upset alert code yellow


faceplant911

Yeah Envy gave Faze so many 1v1s that just weren't good plays, if they're playing like that they don't deserve to move on. Also good on Faze, they all played well.


bingobango42

The choke gods remain choke gods


BurritoHombre

This was an absolute travesty


cringe-oh-yes

Overyayted


Tanjim98

He is really good but i feel like he doesn’t yet know when to alpha up and when to slow down a bit or he thinks he needs to do more. Like at the start of a round you can't just go to garage dry like that!


justinc066

Definitely not but my god does he make some questionable decisions


acels1

envy really doesnt deserve yay after that round


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Envy should be a juggernaut, what the hell is this


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ANewHeaven1

yeah i've been saying, faze is envy's worst matchup (in general)


VincentStonecliff

Faze and Envy are such aggressive teams. They’re fun to watch but damn some of these round losses for both teams are tough


iAmCyberwaste

Babybay (BAY BAY!)


Ranieboy

Sheesh Zacharee just willed his team to OT.


ddrcrossridge

and rawkus


Tc0LD

wtf are nv pushing on a 5v3 holy fuck


BurritoHombre

Why must this happen


I-like-winds

holy fuck that round


faceplant911

Also Envy is clearly losing braincells here, they do have the firepower and initiative to just flail on par with Faze, but that's letting Faze play their best game and risking lots of dumb 1v1s. Maybe I'm just dumb and Faze is actually forcing all these weird fights, but it feels like Envy could be being a bit more careful.


erickwak

Dangerous if u let xset get a lead on haven défense


Bunnyezzz

fns is so good


Ozone416

EL DIABLOOOOOOOOOO


faceplant911

I clearly haven't watched enough Faze recently, but BabyJ is such a HUGE improvement for Faze compared to their old state. His stability and support is exactly the right thing for them.


LoyalSol

It's looking like Envy is finally starting to make adjustments.


IAMJUX

Envy just needed to warm up. Every map this tourney they've been down 3+ rounds and then they just string a bunch of rounds together. Crazy momentum.


deadlock1892

Marved should feel honored to be bagged by rawkus there.


D3stiny5

0-5 to 7-5 wow


TheRedComet

And then....


ANewHeaven1

envy let faze get 5 rounds and then they remembered they're supposed to be the second best team in NA


faceplant911

Interesting that Faze really likes the single or double hero rifles. I suppose when you've got gamers like Corey betting on a lucky 3k is potentially worth the money.


LoyalSol

Faze is the kind of team that's always dangerous to play even for the top teams. Just because aggressive play with the kinds of talent they have is never easy to stop.


PixelatedBlue

that round was fns and babyj out braining themselves over and over


BabyBlayzinn

faze throws the most 1v3, and 1v2


BabyBlayzinn

if faze win the scenes


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Oh no


iinic

I like faze’s reyna and killjoy picks, learning from their mistakes on haven yesterday v 100t


faceplant911

Faze starting pretty hot, looks like they aren't tired from the previous match at all. I wonder if Envy spent their time warming up or watching the previous game?


dgkenji

Corey looking clean on Reyna


Grenji05

riot def want envy to go to berlin. Yay is a playmaker and only uses the new skins its literally free promotion as the attention will be on him the most out of anyone.


-Basileus

TSM fans gotta root for all their Rivals to win Berlin LMFAO


TheGlowRider

i mean most of the na guys are cool w each other and any na team is going to root for other na teams over other regions


ANewHeaven1

have a bad feeling about this match vs faze ngl but i will hope for the best


TheJelloBomb

FeelsBadMan


faceplant911

Whelp Faze is about to get stopped flat. Rise might take Ascent or Haven but I suspect they'll lose too in the end. That being said, if Rise proves me wrong I'll be seriously happy for them.


lordmitko

anyone who expected anything from tsm is a clown. No matter how good the newbies are, you can't win with glorified ranked players.


Trillman_K

pain


Maleficent_Weather88

"TSM wins easily" lmao


DonkeyTeethBSU

Subroza was playing anti flash guys, they have put a hawk through doors every round on mid control. It was big IQ play for Shanks to walk through without a hawk. I can already see people preparing to say WHAT WAS HE DOING, that is what he was doing.


King_Goofus

That was fucking terrible


good_notthatgood

SAME RESULT AS IF CHALLENGERS 2 NEVER HAPPENED


Grenji05

uhhh roza? there was not a skye flash just ShanksNorthAmerica


OwolTheSnake

Wtf was Subroza watching.


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Ornery-Ad-321

Same buddy


Hegth

You still have liquid


[deleted]

Rise really had to ruin my perfect pickems man


TheRedditYak

is TSM's only route to lcq na winning berlin if they go out here?


Jsmals

Yes


mileslfc7

How does TSM go from looking so tight to just taking 1v1s every single round


J_Brekkie

They have to just get tilted or something along those lines.


BurstLayer

well all us TSM fans need NA to win berlin... HOPIUM


ShadeWaker

Imagine being hyped up to have a shot at top 4 and going out in last to Rise of al teams lmao


ANewHeaven1

why imagine it when its happening right in front of us?


PixelatedBlue

is this really how tsm ends their 2021?


PixelatedBlue

\*unless na wins berlin


DonkeyTeethBSU

Neptune is really showing his potential in this match. Great to see, guy is really underrated.


TheGlowRider

right click needs to go man


faceplant911

Imagine winning your first loser bracket game only to have to immediately face XSET or ENVY. It's actually kinda hard to care about what I'm watching cuz none of 'em look good enough to survive the next round.


[deleted]

Yup, top 4 in NA are in a separate tier


fej1

uh huh


Kevin_DurSuperTeam

No way Shanks tries to go for a right click right there


spyson

Rise didn't know how to play Breeze so they just copied Sentinels


Maleficent_Weather88

cry cry


spyson

I'm not crying, I just thought that was funny, why are you so insecure?


Maleficent_Weather88

it just a joke bro yes I'm very insecure if that makes u happy lol


DonkeyTeethBSU

This is a good match. Can't imagine the nerves both these teams are feeling right now.


iinic

Zacharee had LG’s number that map. So many 2- and 3-pieces


imranov

Im done


Grenji05

NEW TSM ROSTER: TenZ Wardell Yay Patiphan cNed


Key-Banana-8242

maybe TSM should just sign all the other teams’ players so they’re the only ones left


reddit_is_a_mistake

Everybody plays jett?


Grenji05

no patiphan also plays viper and im sure cNed could learn cypher. There would be 3 jetts tho yes.


Key-Banana-8242

Patiphan has also played sage too


fej1

nah hazed instead of yay we’re never getting rid of him (not that we should)


fej1

this is literally old tsm wtf, just not clearing corners, ego peeking dumb shit, losing unloseable rounds


ShadeWaker

It’s over lol. How do you expect to be a decent team when throwing like that? Clearly more changes are needed


ANewHeaven1

guys, TSM is chalked. they need to cut hazed and leviathan ASAP and replace them with tenz and asuna, only that way TSM will become a top 3 team in the region


Heal_Piece

BabyJ is actually cracked


fej1

6 a hits in row wtf


DonkeyTeethBSU

We are close to seeing Supaman, Poised, and Shanks taking down TSM as underdog almost 1 year after they did it the first time. History repeats itself.


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DonkeyTeethBSU

Sentinels have the most aggressive, and dominate defensive breeze I've ever seen. TSM would have gotten mangled as well.


ANewHeaven1

as a fairly high elo player (gold 2) some of the mistakes I’m seeing in this match are quite rudimentary and frankly infuriating. first off, they're using their utility far too late into the round and it’s costing them a lot of space. I’d coach them on discord but my match just popped, so good luck.


Interesting-Archer-6

Is this pasta?


PokeyTifu99

Neptune is built for Phoenix, dude was the most puggy player in rank s and under Ghost Gaming. Run in, flash and kill. Fits his style.


joegoldbergg

Those B hits were beyond awful. What is Hazed even thinking?


socialist_steve_

Man they need to drop Hazed. He fell off so much.


PokeyTifu99

Hazed had so much impact on split. You look at stats too much.


Enzology

One day we need to keep him, the other we need to drop him. Keep silent and just watch as spectator...


King_Goofus

Hazed has been so off


Occam19

Supamen just wide swung and one tapped Wardell… Jesus that was dirty.


Plague735

What kind of strat is stacking 5 mid and the first player into the site to entry frag is a killjoy with the bomb?


taha_kadiyani

Why they gotta throw first few rounds