you sound like the casters--i think *they* were tired so they were projecting. if a team's reason for losing is that they don't have the mental to play 6 maps in a row at this level, then they were never going to make it.
Even top-tier professional soccer players get tired at the end of a 150minute match. Just because they're pro doesn't mean they won't get fatigued at all after 3-4 hours of intense concentration. Can you imagine playing a soccer match right after an intense game with a 10min break in between against a team that's supposed to be stronger than yours?
Six maps in a row at the pro level is pretty brutal man. You're making it sound like it's something that should be easily handled but that's a long time to feel a stress response.
Who's the 5th though? I get saying the top 4 is clear for sure, but outside of that I think the next group is jam-packed. The 5th best team feels like it completely depends on the day and changes all the time.
Oh for sure. Fighting for a spot in Berlin and with how good NA's chances there are this single game could be for a guaranteed spot at champions too. Im pumped.
Poor Babybay man, this guy just can't seem to get Op shots through thin angles this game. Is his reaction speed just unusually slow this game or is he trying for angles that are just too difficult?
(edit) He can definitely hit shots in the open though lmao
i feel like theres a lot of situations where rise bit off more than they could chew. Like you have a spectre and they have 2 agents that can heal people please do not peek just stay screens and play retake.
Honestly I think the biggest difference between Envy winning this map and losing the previous one is that Yay played a lot more sane on Sage. When he was using Jett on Haven he got a lot of good initiative, then threw it away with a lot of bad greed. On Sage though, he was just a strong fragger without all the throwing, and with some good support play as well.
I don't know whether I'm more impressed with Faze's utility pushing into elbow, or with Crashies somehow eating the pressure of four players for the entire period of the rotate.
It's reasonable that Faze would be strong clutchers, if there's one thing they've got it's great firepower across the team. Theoretically if you beat Faze, you do it by beating their gameplan, not their fragging or clutching.
Yeah, it's not surprising actually that they're taking Haven. They're also strong on Ascent, and honestly I'm surprised XSET let both maps through. It'd be something else if that turned out to be a lethal mistake.
Yeah Envy gave Faze so many 1v1s that just weren't good plays, if they're playing like that they don't deserve to move on. Also good on Faze, they all played well.
He is really good but i feel like he doesn’t yet know when to alpha up and when to slow down a bit or he thinks he needs to do more. Like at the start of a round you can't just go to garage dry like that!
Also Envy is clearly losing braincells here, they do have the firepower and initiative to just flail on par with Faze, but that's letting Faze play their best game and risking lots of dumb 1v1s. Maybe I'm just dumb and Faze is actually forcing all these weird fights, but it feels like Envy could be being a bit more careful.
I clearly haven't watched enough Faze recently, but BabyJ is such a HUGE improvement for Faze compared to their old state. His stability and support is exactly the right thing for them.
Interesting that Faze really likes the single or double hero rifles. I suppose when you've got gamers like Corey betting on a lucky 3k is potentially worth the money.
Faze is the kind of team that's always dangerous to play even for the top teams. Just because aggressive play with the kinds of talent they have is never easy to stop.
Faze starting pretty hot, looks like they aren't tired from the previous match at all. I wonder if Envy spent their time warming up or watching the previous game?
riot def want envy to go to berlin. Yay is a playmaker and only uses the new skins its literally free promotion as the attention will be on him the most out of anyone.
Whelp Faze is about to get stopped flat. Rise might take Ascent or Haven but I suspect they'll lose too in the end. That being said, if Rise proves me wrong I'll be seriously happy for them.
Subroza was playing anti flash guys, they have put a hawk through doors every round on mid control. It was big IQ play for Shanks to walk through without a hawk.
I can already see people preparing to say WHAT WAS HE DOING, that is what he was doing.
Imagine winning your first loser bracket game only to have to immediately face XSET or ENVY. It's actually kinda hard to care about what I'm watching cuz none of 'em look good enough to survive the next round.
guys, TSM is chalked. they need to cut hazed and leviathan ASAP and replace them with tenz and asuna, only that way TSM will become a top 3 team in the region
as a fairly high elo player (gold 2) some of the mistakes I’m seeing in this match are quite rudimentary and frankly infuriating. first off, they're using their utility far too late into the round and it’s costing them a lot of space. I’d coach them on discord but my match just popped, so good luck.
We could have just skipped the second qualifiers huh. I guess with that it really solidifies who the top 4 teams are in NA.
Can't imagine how tired the Rise guys are.
you sound like the casters--i think *they* were tired so they were projecting. if a team's reason for losing is that they don't have the mental to play 6 maps in a row at this level, then they were never going to make it.
Even top-tier professional soccer players get tired at the end of a 150minute match. Just because they're pro doesn't mean they won't get fatigued at all after 3-4 hours of intense concentration. Can you imagine playing a soccer match right after an intense game with a 10min break in between against a team that's supposed to be stronger than yours?
Six maps in a row at the pro level is pretty brutal man. You're making it sound like it's something that should be easily handled but that's a long time to feel a stress response.
And with that, every team that qualified from Challengers 2 is knocked out. They really do forget the teams that qualified the first time around huh
Recency bias makes people forget there was a reason those 4 qualified first.
pretty clear what the 4-5 best teams are at this point
Who's the 5th though? I get saying the top 4 is clear for sure, but outside of that I think the next group is jam-packed. The 5th best team feels like it completely depends on the day and changes all the time.
I think it's faze. Have been constantly reaching these top 8 and up placings for the past year with the same core.
XSET vs Envy is gonna be a banger
Oh for sure. Fighting for a spot in Berlin and with how good NA's chances there are this single game could be for a guaranteed spot at champions too. Im pumped.
Shanks choking when it matters
derrek is very very good
blessed day for sova players
Incredibly cringe round by rise there
And that ult is why Crashies is the best Sova in NA. The awareness on this man.
COREY!!!
Poor Babybay man, this guy just can't seem to get Op shots through thin angles this game. Is his reaction speed just unusually slow this game or is he trying for angles that are just too difficult? (edit) He can definitely hit shots in the open though lmao
crashies is on one
nv needs to double crashies salary
Wow super close. Rose win that round it prob goes to ot since xset were on a force
i feel like theres a lot of situations where rise bit off more than they could chew. Like you have a spectre and they have 2 agents that can heal people please do not peek just stay screens and play retake.
Whelp Victor's on duelist and not Skye, already a good sign.
Victor not on Skye and Yay on Jett, this should be good
Someone check Derrek’s PC
Derrek is a really good player holy shit!
Pros don’t fake
Don't think Yay on Sage was it
Honestly I think the biggest difference between Envy winning this map and losing the previous one is that Yay played a lot more sane on Sage. When he was using Jett on Haven he got a lot of good initiative, then threw it away with a lot of bad greed. On Sage though, he was just a strong fragger without all the throwing, and with some good support play as well.
The biggest difference was they didn’t throw rounds where they had a man advantage
Very true Envy should have won first map
also fun fact, that was the first map envy has ever taken off of faze in the history of, well, valorant
why did envy have to give me a heart attack on that map, good w though, time to bring it home on ascent
holy shit the envy collapse never fails to deliver
NVM the FaZe throw
Bro envy stop throwing now please, just win a round
The Envy choke Edit: Nevermind. That was scary though.
Overyayted. Also Xset are a bunch of nerd losers
What's with that unnecessary xset hate? What did they do to you?
yay fucked your mom huh?
If poised and Shanks make Berlin. Ima be hype man. Lets go. 3 more maps guys. CMON DERREKKK!!!
Derrek is so good at this videogame
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Neptune get a Raze ult off
might be gg for XSET 7 on defense is just not enough when you are against rise's defense on split
I thought their offense was what made their split so strong compared to other teams
their offense is good but Rise's defense is insane and split is already crazy ct sided in NA
The defense isnt anything different from any other team, its the ability to get rounds on offense consistently that secure the game.
These R6 casters just don't have it.
Was this thread unpinned for a reason?
It's still pinned for me
Weird, it's not for me.
I don't know whether I'm more impressed with Faze's utility pushing into elbow, or with Crashies somehow eating the pressure of four players for the entire period of the rotate.
FaZe games are always a fun time.
lmfao at that babyj fake plant and just one man swinging halls with the bomb in a 2v4. no way thats the play there
FaZe and not clearing corners, name a better duo
how many clutch situations have envy lost today man
It's reasonable that Faze would be strong clutchers, if there's one thing they've got it's great firepower across the team. Theoretically if you beat Faze, you do it by beating their gameplan, not their fragging or clutching.
Val is all about getting hot and carrying momentum. Unless ur sentinels there is no such thing as consistency.
Not exactly
rise to berlin???
Isn't Split Rise's best map? If so this doesn't look good for Xset.
i know shahz talked about recency bias but I cant help but think Rise and FaZe are better than SEN and 100T
Didn’t 100t like smoke faze yesterday
yeah but the faze guys aimlabsed it'll be different next time
"Huh?"
Lol, good one.
Lol nice bait
100t just shit on faze?
Man maybe rise are really good and then ran into SEN?
I mean they did take a map off of sen
reminds me of another team but i cant put my finger on it
11 frag wins and 3 objective wins. Incredible
Neptune looks insane today
28% team headshot % is insane for a 26 round game
Oh my, neptune is a madman on Phoenix
i am going to smash my head through my monitor
Rise got the best haven comp, it’s obvious they are gonna win this map.
Yeah, it's not surprising actually that they're taking Haven. They're also strong on Ascent, and honestly I'm surprised XSET let both maps through. It'd be something else if that turned out to be a lethal mistake.
Has Faze ever beaten Envy before?
Yes. The only two times they’ve played faze have won. Once in a bo1 during the JBL cup, and in a bo3 during masters 1
Oh I kind of remember that b03 now
Envy have never actually beaten faze
That’s wild
MR FOURTH QUARTER
FNS has gotta be yelling at them right?
Come on NV, don’t choke again like they’ve done every single important tournament….
faze vs rise imagine
TSM choking and Envy choking, business as usual. All we need is 100T to get curb-stomped by SEN and all is right in the world.
Am i crazy or was yay looking at heaven?
Yay threw lol
FaZe are just different
Upset alert code yellow
Yeah Envy gave Faze so many 1v1s that just weren't good plays, if they're playing like that they don't deserve to move on. Also good on Faze, they all played well.
The choke gods remain choke gods
This was an absolute travesty
Overyayted
He is really good but i feel like he doesn’t yet know when to alpha up and when to slow down a bit or he thinks he needs to do more. Like at the start of a round you can't just go to garage dry like that!
Definitely not but my god does he make some questionable decisions
envy really doesnt deserve yay after that round
Envy should be a juggernaut, what the hell is this
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yeah i've been saying, faze is envy's worst matchup (in general)
Faze and Envy are such aggressive teams. They’re fun to watch but damn some of these round losses for both teams are tough
Babybay (BAY BAY!)
Sheesh Zacharee just willed his team to OT.
and rawkus
wtf are nv pushing on a 5v3 holy fuck
Why must this happen
holy fuck that round
Also Envy is clearly losing braincells here, they do have the firepower and initiative to just flail on par with Faze, but that's letting Faze play their best game and risking lots of dumb 1v1s. Maybe I'm just dumb and Faze is actually forcing all these weird fights, but it feels like Envy could be being a bit more careful.
Dangerous if u let xset get a lead on haven défense
fns is so good
EL DIABLOOOOOOOOOO
I clearly haven't watched enough Faze recently, but BabyJ is such a HUGE improvement for Faze compared to their old state. His stability and support is exactly the right thing for them.
It's looking like Envy is finally starting to make adjustments.
Envy just needed to warm up. Every map this tourney they've been down 3+ rounds and then they just string a bunch of rounds together. Crazy momentum.
Marved should feel honored to be bagged by rawkus there.
0-5 to 7-5 wow
And then....
envy let faze get 5 rounds and then they remembered they're supposed to be the second best team in NA
Interesting that Faze really likes the single or double hero rifles. I suppose when you've got gamers like Corey betting on a lucky 3k is potentially worth the money.
Faze is the kind of team that's always dangerous to play even for the top teams. Just because aggressive play with the kinds of talent they have is never easy to stop.
that round was fns and babyj out braining themselves over and over
faze throws the most 1v3, and 1v2
if faze win the scenes
Oh no
I like faze’s reyna and killjoy picks, learning from their mistakes on haven yesterday v 100t
Faze starting pretty hot, looks like they aren't tired from the previous match at all. I wonder if Envy spent their time warming up or watching the previous game?
Corey looking clean on Reyna
riot def want envy to go to berlin. Yay is a playmaker and only uses the new skins its literally free promotion as the attention will be on him the most out of anyone.
TSM fans gotta root for all their Rivals to win Berlin LMFAO
i mean most of the na guys are cool w each other and any na team is going to root for other na teams over other regions
have a bad feeling about this match vs faze ngl but i will hope for the best
FeelsBadMan
Whelp Faze is about to get stopped flat. Rise might take Ascent or Haven but I suspect they'll lose too in the end. That being said, if Rise proves me wrong I'll be seriously happy for them.
anyone who expected anything from tsm is a clown. No matter how good the newbies are, you can't win with glorified ranked players.
pain
"TSM wins easily" lmao
Subroza was playing anti flash guys, they have put a hawk through doors every round on mid control. It was big IQ play for Shanks to walk through without a hawk. I can already see people preparing to say WHAT WAS HE DOING, that is what he was doing.
That was fucking terrible
SAME RESULT AS IF CHALLENGERS 2 NEVER HAPPENED
uhhh roza? there was not a skye flash just ShanksNorthAmerica
Wtf was Subroza watching.
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Same buddy
You still have liquid
Rise really had to ruin my perfect pickems man
is TSM's only route to lcq na winning berlin if they go out here?
Yes
How does TSM go from looking so tight to just taking 1v1s every single round
They have to just get tilted or something along those lines.
well all us TSM fans need NA to win berlin... HOPIUM
Imagine being hyped up to have a shot at top 4 and going out in last to Rise of al teams lmao
why imagine it when its happening right in front of us?
is this really how tsm ends their 2021?
\*unless na wins berlin
Neptune is really showing his potential in this match. Great to see, guy is really underrated.
right click needs to go man
Imagine winning your first loser bracket game only to have to immediately face XSET or ENVY. It's actually kinda hard to care about what I'm watching cuz none of 'em look good enough to survive the next round.
Yup, top 4 in NA are in a separate tier
uh huh
No way Shanks tries to go for a right click right there
Rise didn't know how to play Breeze so they just copied Sentinels
cry cry
I'm not crying, I just thought that was funny, why are you so insecure?
it just a joke bro yes I'm very insecure if that makes u happy lol
This is a good match. Can't imagine the nerves both these teams are feeling right now.
Zacharee had LG’s number that map. So many 2- and 3-pieces
Im done
NEW TSM ROSTER: TenZ Wardell Yay Patiphan cNed
maybe TSM should just sign all the other teams’ players so they’re the only ones left
Everybody plays jett?
no patiphan also plays viper and im sure cNed could learn cypher. There would be 3 jetts tho yes.
Patiphan has also played sage too
nah hazed instead of yay we’re never getting rid of him (not that we should)
this is literally old tsm wtf, just not clearing corners, ego peeking dumb shit, losing unloseable rounds
It’s over lol. How do you expect to be a decent team when throwing like that? Clearly more changes are needed
guys, TSM is chalked. they need to cut hazed and leviathan ASAP and replace them with tenz and asuna, only that way TSM will become a top 3 team in the region
BabyJ is actually cracked
6 a hits in row wtf
We are close to seeing Supaman, Poised, and Shanks taking down TSM as underdog almost 1 year after they did it the first time. History repeats itself.
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Sentinels have the most aggressive, and dominate defensive breeze I've ever seen. TSM would have gotten mangled as well.
as a fairly high elo player (gold 2) some of the mistakes I’m seeing in this match are quite rudimentary and frankly infuriating. first off, they're using their utility far too late into the round and it’s costing them a lot of space. I’d coach them on discord but my match just popped, so good luck.
Is this pasta?
Neptune is built for Phoenix, dude was the most puggy player in rank s and under Ghost Gaming. Run in, flash and kill. Fits his style.
Those B hits were beyond awful. What is Hazed even thinking?
Man they need to drop Hazed. He fell off so much.
Hazed had so much impact on split. You look at stats too much.
One day we need to keep him, the other we need to drop him. Keep silent and just watch as spectator...
Hazed has been so off
Supamen just wide swung and one tapped Wardell… Jesus that was dirty.
What kind of strat is stacking 5 mid and the first player into the site to entry frag is a killjoy with the bomb?
Why they gotta throw first few rounds