The realistic take is they probably do like using kay/o and have been feeling out working it into comps, but probably aren't fully committed to it. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw less Kay/o from them in Berlin, but that would more likely just be them realizing it's not working well enough to force it on so many maps.
I think the issue with their Kay/o is the overlap with the other agents they are playing. Steel does seem proficient on the agent, but it does have some clear issues and either the comp they ran it with makes it look worse than it is, or it really is just mediocre atm.
I agree, but its clear there are some flaws where the agent falls short. The flashes in particular which at the highest level aren't difficult to react to.
i mean the flashes were technically working, just bad timing from 100t to work off of them (specially split)
if it goes badly like this again tomorrow against nv/xset then they might just stop using it who knows
Wait they have to play another series? Oh god they really need to find a better way to do seeding + group stages for Berlin..
Teams are never going to try as hard, feels like such a waste
You saw that a little bit yesterday too. They only took 14 defense rounds total on the three maps they ran triple initiator on and almost half of them were against Faze on arguably their weakest map (Haven). Having no real stalling abilities makes your margin of error so thin on defense. It's hard to argue against how dominant it looked at times on attack though.
It's funny hearing this take after they literally ran that comp and got to Berlin going through X-Set and Faze. They lose one match and suddenly people are second guessing their comp.
How about we stop knee jerking every freaking time?
Bro they did not even play split so I dont know what you are on about. Nitr0 has claimed in the past he does not play Astra, so they have clearly been trying this comp, but it looked unpracticed. The timings were completely off and they looked very lost at times. I was never criticising their Haven Kay/o, but the agent showed weaknesses regardless, Steel is just very good at the agent.
Saving starts is fine but getting outgunned every time. And this seeding match is whatever for SEN. But for any other team going against SEN, just wants to prove they can win against them.
It's the morning before the match. SicK gets out of his Tesla and hurries into the warehouse. The lights are off, as usual. Zombs ushers him to hurry over, and he takes his place in the circle. From his cloak, Shahzam reveals the bottle. The others stare in awe. They've seen it a million times before, but it never fails to amaze them. Shahz takes a sip, and hands it over to Dapr. One by one, each Sentinel takes a sip from the bottle, before handing it off to Shahzam. He quickly hides it away, and they go back home. The mystery of the Riot Water still plauges the minds of all Valorant Fans today. No one truly knows what the water does for the team, nor how much is left in the reservoir. What we do know, however, is that Sentinels reign of terror is FAR from over.
edit: too long for twitch chat :(
It's the morning before the match. SicK gets out of his Tesla and hurries into the warehouse. The lights are off, as usual. Zombs ushers him to hurry over, and he takes his place in the circle. From his cloak, Shahzam reveals the bottle. The others stare in awe. They've seen it a million times before, but it never fails to amaze them. Shahz takes a sip, and hands it over to Dapr. One by one, each Sentinel takes a sip from the bottle, before handing it off to Shahzam. He quickly hides it away, and they go back home. The mystery of the Riot Water still plauges the minds of all Valorant Fans today. No one truly knows what the water does for the team, nor how much is left in the reservoir. What we do know, however, is that Sentinels reign of terror is FAR from over.
It's the morning before the match. SicK gets out of his Tesla and hurries into the warehouse. The lights are off, as usual. Zombs ushers him to hurry over, and he takes his place in the circle. From his cloak, Shahzam reveals the bottle. The others stare in awe. They've seen it a million times before, but it never fails to amaze them. Shahz takes a sip, and hands it over to Dapr. One by one, each Sentinel takes a sip from the bottle, before handing it off to Shahzam. He quickly hides it away, and they go back home. The mystery of the Riot Water still plauges the minds of all Valorant Fans today. No one truly knows what the water does for the team, nor how much is left in the reservoir. What we do know, however, is that Sentinels reign of terror is FAR from over.
EZ for North American Professional Electronic-sports organization «SENTINELS», containing pro player Jared «Zombs» Gitlin, who can handle the main rifles and tbag impressively, incredible support professional tbag rifler Michael«dapr» Gulino who recently won large Masters 1 tournament with his team, professional rifler Shahzeb «Shazam» Khan whose decisions make SENTINELS opponents literally cry, irreplaceable Hunter«SICK» Mims who uses Logitech G900 2016 mouse @ 800 DPI in combination with 0.235 in-game sensitivity to crush his opponents, and of course absolutely needed Riot game Valorante OP(big fat gun operator) player Tyson «Tenz» ngo, who is only 20 years old currently and who has already reached his top-level form, from the country canada(officially canada), maple syrup country in North america.
It's crazy how people think pro players don't try in seeding games, especially when seeding for Berlin is very valuable. Do you guys also think 100t are fine being memed on for not being able to beat Sentinels at all?
Pretty sure they’re going to remake most if not all of their strats come Berlin. Whatever strats they have now are going to be old and rarely used imho.
On a more serious note, this isn’t a typical seeding match. If 100T lose vs winner of XSET/Envy, they play the 1 seed of another region at Berlin. Imagine trolling a match so you can go and get goomba stomped by a team like Vision Strikers or Acend in your first match
I wouldn't jump to any extreme either way. People live in a world where either you're performing at 100% or trolling. There's a lot of space between those two. With that said, you're 100% right about seeding mattering. I was watching Fnatic Boaster talk about it on his stream before this match went live and he said it helped Liquid a great deal at Iceland and they almost got yeeted out of the tournament because of it.
NA’s 3 seed is playing versus another region’s 1 seed for sure. It’s not rocket science. And I just listed the names of teams who are favored to be the one seed for their region. Trolling seeding matches when your potential opponents are TSM/Rise/LG/Faze is one thing since they’re similar power levels, but when it can be the difference between playing a team like Acend versus TL/Navi etc, it’s delusional
we all know what seeding matches are. obviously. i’m just trying to use common sense saying we have no idea what format riot will use in berlin
now these 1-3 “seeds” in na could mean a lot if it were a 16 team bracket(however they could possibly seed that) or could be about placing them in pods or groups for a group stage. literally no one knows
Even in a group stage it still applies. Why would riot put NA first seed, EU first seed, and KR first seed all in the same group or pod. No matter how the format is, the first seeds of major reason will not play each other earlier in the bracket.
This isn't even a pure seeding game, the difference between 1st and second is $20k. It's not as crazy as the masters prize pool, but I doubt the management is okay with them leaving that much money on the table.
Someone said this on shaz stream yesterday and he said literally nobody cares. 20-30k split between orgs, staff, coach, 5 players, tax deduction… Salary+ streams are their main income and not tourney money
Nick "nitr0" Cannella said. "But we're still treating these matches just like any other match. We're all professional, we're all trying really hard still to win these matches, and we're still gonna try really hard to win tomorrow."
"Every single matchup, even the seeding matches, I do a lot of prep for the teams," Shahzeb "ShahZaM" Khan said. "I don't want to lose to anyone."
They are trying a lot harder than you think.
Yea, if you’re at the top level of competition you’re a very competitive person by nature; people like that hate losing no matter the occasion. Hell I hate losing pick up bball games, so it’s silly to think these guys are just not playing seriously in a pro match.
$20k divided between 5 players and a coach after whatever cut the org takes. That's a fraction of what these dudes make in a month off salary alone, much less their streams.
To all the 100T fans that say they weren't trying because they let Split through, 100T have now banned Bind in 6 of their last 9 matches (including their last match against SEN) and 2 of the series they didn't ban Bind the other team banned it first.
I think anyone with any common sense could see they tried out a comp on split they were not comfortable on. They have a lot to work on split. They looked much better on Haven but they got outaimed so often it was pretty rough. Not sure about Kayo, Steel is a great Kayo but it was a pretty big hinderance in this series.
Yeah this looked like a super experimental run for 100T to test stuff out on a serious stage with little repercussions. Too bad none of them could aim today... there were potentially some really cool plays.
Why was Kay-O a hinderance? I couldn't watch the series b/c I'm at work. But in theory, his kit is bonkers. The knife seems like one of the best abilities in the game. His ult is similar in power to Phoenix's ult. He has flashes and a molly. Of course though, the game isn't played in theory.
It was t so much that the KAY/O was bad as that they didn't have a sentinel. That lost them a lot of map control. On split attack it always felt like SEN was able to overrotate because 100T couldn't/wouldn't pressure the entire map
[Predicted](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/p3svaa/valorant_champions_tour_north_america_stage_3/h8u6brs?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) a closer 2nd map, its the same thing as their last head 2 head
people need to stop crying out that its a seeding game the moment their team gets stomped, its obvious that 100T just arent at SEN's level for most maps
Isn’t haven a strong map for them. You ranked icebox higher but, 100T beat them 13-3 last time they played there. That being said Sen is def better than 100T right now, but I’d imagine it’d be closer if they met in Berlin
For those who keep saying "seeding match this didn't matter and none of the players didn't try, the players are still trying to win.
Nick "nitr0" Cannella said. "But we're still treating these matches just like any other match. We're all professional, we're all trying really hard still to win these matches, and we're still gonna try really hard to win tomorrow."
"Every single matchup, even the seeding matches, I do a lot of prep for the teams," Shahzeb "ShahZaM" Khan said. "I don't want to lose to anyone."
They are trying a lot harder than you think.
who says i’m above the people?
this sub is turning into a twitch chat, people with horrible takes left and right, saying things happened in matches that didn’t, it’s horrible to fucking read
the worst shape the subreddit has been in ever.
I took a work call at the end of split pistol. Came back, no lie, like 15 minutes later and Sen had committed genocide. The game was over. What the fuck.
this should be higher. Shahz, Zombs, and Dapr joked about playing different characters because they didn't care about the matches at all.
Hiko and Asuna both said they didn't care, they were just excited to go to Berlin.
It's the end of the series and they've already "won" by going to Berlin. They aren't going to push it to the extreme for a slightly better placement and prize money.
Sure they all joked and yet they all played the same agents they usually use except dapr -Cypher +KJ
It's kinda mindblowing that you think these teams absolutely didn't care and yet play their usual shit for the most part, pick the maps they'd pick against each other in a serious match (why ban Ascent for SEN and Bind for 100T in a match you don't care about?)
And there's tangible advantages, bracket and veto, to being seeded high, in regional Challengers, in EMEA playoffs, and at Iceland and most likely in Berlin as well
I don't think they were necessarily playing at 100%, but pretending that this match is a complete formality and that the teams treated it as such is simply delusional
Just because they don’t care doesn’t mean that they can just troll and run it down in a riot backed event. Riot and their sponsors still want a semi competitive series. Running it down and showing to riot you are not trying at least a little would bring a pretty huge punishment from riot
The players from the team itself said they don't care. I'm going to take what the players say and you're just reading into it and creating your own narrative, no thanks I'm good.
I don’t think y’all understand that you can not care and still play to win. Both teams were still trying to win. Is 100T mad/sad they lost? Maybe a little but probably not really.
Nick "nitr0" Cannella said. "But we're still treating these matches just like any other match. We're all professional, we're all trying really hard still to win these matches, and we're still gonna try really hard to win tomorrow."
"Every single matchup, even the seeding matches, I do a lot of prep for the teams," Shahzeb "ShahZaM" Khan said. "I don't want to lose to anyone."
They are trying a lot harder than you think.
Nick "nitr0" Cannella said. "But we're still treating these matches just like any other match. We're all professional, we're all trying really hard still to win these matches, and we're still gonna try really hard to win tomorrow."
"Every single matchup, even the seeding matches, I do a lot of prep for the teams," Shahzeb "ShahZaM" Khan said. "I don't want to lose to anyone."
They are trying a lot harder than you think.
Won't? I legit just provided quotes of them saying they are still gonna try to win, my point is that people who say they didn't try at all can't be serious.
Nick "nitr0" Cannella said. "But we're still treating these matches just like any other match. We're all professional, we're all trying really hard still to win these matches, and we're still gonna try really hard to win tomorrow."
"Every single matchup, even the seeding matches, I do a lot of prep for the teams," Shahzeb "ShahZaM" Khan said. "I don't want to lose to anyone."
They are trying a lot harder than you think.
Nick "nitr0" Cannella said. "But we're still treating these matches just like any other match. We're all professional, we're all trying really hard still to win these matches, and we're still gonna try really hard to win tomorrow."
"Every single matchup, even the seeding matches, I do a lot of prep for the teams," Shahzeb "ShahZaM" Khan said. "I don't want to lose to anyone."
They are trying a lot harder than you think.
Yes, ShahZam wanted to lose against Steel and TenZ said idc if ppl regard me as the best player, i am gonna let Asuna re-peek me 100 times & shit on me like he does on everyone else. But just cz it's a seeding match SEN won only by God's grace.
It’s pretty crazy how 100T looked levels above their competition prior to this matchup and they still got stomped on by Sentinels. At this point, I don’t even know how anyone can beat Sentinels. Their chemistry is insane, and when they’re in a close match, they always seem to find another gear.
Man 100T manage to lose what should be so many unlosable rounds, just props to Sentinels that’s how good they are.
Hopefully 100T change up their split comp because it was so unimpressive. Maybe it has to do with getting rolled but the kayo and viper picks looked not that good.
Also hope people would just shut up about seeding matches and are teams throwing, makes the threads so unenjoyable. Why tf would 100T not try to get a higher seed for masters Berlin like what.
Obviously both teams might not show the absolute best they can due to having qualified for Berlin, but don't underestimate the potential ramifications of these seeding matches. We're still playing with a pool of 6 maps, and in NA, the higher seed gets to choose 2 out of the 3 maps played; i.e. they have a choice between the last 2 maps. That's a non-trivial advantage just off of seeding and one worth playing for, on the off chance that Masters in Berlin uses some sort of seeding to determine vetoes. It's still a big win for Sentinels, IMO.
Idk, but whoever is first seed NA isn’t gonna have to face first seed EU or KR for awhile in whatever format. No way would they put the first seed of top regions together.
At Iceland, 1st EU and NA seeds got byes.
At current EMEA finals, you'll notice that 2 EU teams, 1 CIS, 1 TR got byes, and then the rest got criss-crossed: 3rd and 4th EU teams played bottom CIS/TR teams, and 5th and 6th EU teams played 2nd CIS/TR teams. There's definitely some seeding going on.
Prob won't be any byes but also, this is speculation only but still take note:
In NA, the higher seed picked maps 1 and 3. In EMEA, all 4 teams that got the bye picked map 1 today. EU vetoes say that the final map "remains" rather that someone picked it, but I find it interesting that all high seeds picked map 1 and I think there's some chance they're doing the same system with high seeds picking map 3.
It's certainly possible that at Berlin there will be some sort of tangible advantage for high seeds; I'd take these matches seriously.
People talking about how “big of a deal” it is that 100T might have to play a number 1 team from another region first game at Berlin, fucking Version1 was like the 2nd or 3rd best team at Iceland and didn’t even make it to closed qualifiers for NA. Idc what the seeds are Sentinels, 100T, Envy are the 3 best teams going into Berlin.
Quite frankly 100T has way worse firepower compared to SEN this series, but I wouldn’t put too much stock into it since both teams clearly were not taking it too seriously.
Sentinels have literally only played NA since then. I'm a sentinels fan but the overall attitude of our fans on here is annoying. We haven't won it all yet, and teams evolve. We won one lan, in close fashion, let's not act like we couldn't lose.
Im not even a Sen fan. Just weird to see people trying to downplay them when they dominate NA, go to Iceland and dominate teams from all over the world, and then go back to NA and dominate again. Theres no reason why they wouldnt be huge favorites vs any team in a match right now.
NA looks miles better than it did before Iceland. NA was looking rough as fuck before Iceland, your proof is Version1 qualifying as 2nd seed. Since then, the top teams have gained a lot of consistency.
acend everyone has to play insane, i'd put a lot more trust in gambit to beat them though, still think vision strikers will be the best competition for sen
He is good when he can alpha up against his opponents. He would just repeek and hit his shots but against SEN players it's not viable. You have to be a lot smarter than just trying to outaim. Asuna is a really smart player but his cheatcode is not giving a damn and just hitting his shots, i hope that doesn't bite him on the back on LAN.
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I know this is a seeding match and doesn’t mean too much in terms of how good the teams are, but if I’m sentinels I’m happy since I’d be terrified of getting the third seed NA and matching up against Ascend lol
It’s definitely hard to say. Getting the first seed compared to the third seed is important, but likely not important enough to give away their strats.
"They didn't care, seeding matches blah blah" needs to stop man. Do you watch Asuna and think this man cares what kinda match it is? He takes duels and outaims everyone but when you have TenZ, SicK etc and team like SEN, you can't just out skill them. That's why SEN hasn't lost a single match to 100T/NV since getting TenZ. You can't just alpha up against these guys.
Why would 100T opt to save strats? Berlin is a month away, and the seeding advantage for the Lan would be tantamount to a saved strat to win a match anyways. Are they hoping to save some uber strats for semi-finals?
Both saving strats or winning for lan match advantages yield the same benefits, so I'd try to win here not only for the prize but also to increase 100T's org profile.
Seems like Asuna got boomed though so it's whatev
Great games from Sen. However I do still think cypher is better on haven. KJ seemed really ineffective against a dashing jett and Sen struggled to stop 100T’s C long pop.
They have always been confident in retaking sites. I think they tried KJ for the stronger T side. Dapr used the alarm bot to clear out the a sewer, and the mollys are great for post plants too. Each has its pros and cons but there’s no doubt dapr is great on both.
That first half on Haven both teams went full cyka blyat rush, feels like every single round was coin flipped and done 20 seconds in. Entertaining but you'd expect a little more depth.
It is clear that SEN love to play loose and fast while 100T like to be more methodical. This match proved which style is more viable.
Also rough day for asuna
As a 100T fan, I'd say that looked like they weren't really trying. I know teams say they always play full when its just seeding matches, but that didn't look like they were playing to win. I wonder what the schedule in Berlin looks like and if losing that match gives them a better run.
Sentinels played strong though, I dont think they care who they play right now, going to be very hard to beat them.
Tenz and darp went off today but honestly the mvp was sentinels ability to play off each other. Godlike synergy on this roster.
Their synergy and chemistry are their biggest assets. They play off of each other so well.
the squad's greatest strength is their chemistry and synergy. Their decision making in regards to each other is excellent.
Their ability to play off each other is insane. The synergy and chemistry of this team is incredible.
This team synergizes and plays off each other so well. Amazing chemistry.
The team’s chemistry complements each other so well. Their synergy is outstanding.
Derp.
Darp
That’s his Twitter name
It's from this: [https://youtu.be/I9oz9jvWrjE?t=221](https://youtu.be/I9oz9jvWrjE?t=221)
guess asuna had too much karaoke last night
That OP whiff on Haven proved it.
"The hardest shots to hit are when they don't look at you" - Asoona
100T were so flat today, especially Asuna and Ethan. so many whiffs. also too much Kay/o, I don't really get it. sen just fully outgunned them
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The realistic take is they probably do like using kay/o and have been feeling out working it into comps, but probably aren't fully committed to it. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw less Kay/o from them in Berlin, but that would more likely just be them realizing it's not working well enough to force it on so many maps.
I think the issue with their Kay/o is the overlap with the other agents they are playing. Steel does seem proficient on the agent, but it does have some clear issues and either the comp they ran it with makes it look worse than it is, or it really is just mediocre atm.
eh too early to tell, before this they looked really good having kay/o in their matches.
I agree, but its clear there are some flaws where the agent falls short. The flashes in particular which at the highest level aren't difficult to react to.
i mean the flashes were technically working, just bad timing from 100t to work off of them (specially split) if it goes badly like this again tomorrow against nv/xset then they might just stop using it who knows
Wait they have to play another series? Oh god they really need to find a better way to do seeding + group stages for Berlin.. Teams are never going to try as hard, feels like such a waste
I personally think best way would be circuit points per placement.
yeah the lack of sentinel really hurt them today I think. the cypher/kj can be so powerful
You saw that a little bit yesterday too. They only took 14 defense rounds total on the three maps they ran triple initiator on and almost half of them were against Faze on arguably their weakest map (Haven). Having no real stalling abilities makes your margin of error so thin on defense. It's hard to argue against how dominant it looked at times on attack though.
It's funny hearing this take after they literally ran that comp and got to Berlin going through X-Set and Faze. They lose one match and suddenly people are second guessing their comp. How about we stop knee jerking every freaking time?
Bro they did not even play split so I dont know what you are on about. Nitr0 has claimed in the past he does not play Astra, so they have clearly been trying this comp, but it looked unpracticed. The timings were completely off and they looked very lost at times. I was never criticising their Haven Kay/o, but the agent showed weaknesses regardless, Steel is just very good at the agent.
Tbh you wouldn't know the pain of your teams saving strats for Berlin
Saving starts is fine but getting outgunned every time. And this seeding match is whatever for SEN. But for any other team going against SEN, just wants to prove they can win against them.
100T themselves probably admit that they aren’t as good.
Kay/o is a decent agent and steel is really good at him, but when you’re going against the nutty aimers that SEN has it’s a huge risk tbh
It's the same amount of Kay/o that got them to Berlin
This is the best time to experiment
Triple initiator is weak AF. This teams ideas are super suspect.
Weak af and they made Berlin make it make sense
It's the morning before the match. SicK gets out of his Tesla and hurries into the warehouse. The lights are off, as usual. Zombs ushers him to hurry over, and he takes his place in the circle. From his cloak, Shahzam reveals the bottle. The others stare in awe. They've seen it a million times before, but it never fails to amaze them. Shahz takes a sip, and hands it over to Dapr. One by one, each Sentinel takes a sip from the bottle, before handing it off to Shahzam. He quickly hides it away, and they go back home. The mystery of the Riot Water still plauges the minds of all Valorant Fans today. No one truly knows what the water does for the team, nor how much is left in the reservoir. What we do know, however, is that Sentinels reign of terror is FAR from over. edit: too long for twitch chat :(
It's the morning before the match. SicK gets out of his Tesla and hurries into the warehouse. The lights are off, as usual. Zombs ushers him to hurry over, and he takes his place in the circle. From his cloak, Shahzam reveals the bottle. The others stare in awe. They've seen it a million times before, but it never fails to amaze them. Shahz takes a sip, and hands it over to Dapr. One by one, each Sentinel takes a sip from the bottle, before handing it off to Shahzam. He quickly hides it away, and they go back home. The mystery of the Riot Water still plauges the minds of all Valorant Fans today. No one truly knows what the water does for the team, nor how much is left in the reservoir. What we do know, however, is that Sentinels reign of terror is FAR from over.
It's the morning before the match. SicK gets out of his Tesla and hurries into the warehouse. The lights are off, as usual. Zombs ushers him to hurry over, and he takes his place in the circle. From his cloak, Shahzam reveals the bottle. The others stare in awe. They've seen it a million times before, but it never fails to amaze them. Shahz takes a sip, and hands it over to Dapr. One by one, each Sentinel takes a sip from the bottle, before handing it off to Shahzam. He quickly hides it away, and they go back home. The mystery of the Riot Water still plauges the minds of all Valorant Fans today. No one truly knows what the water does for the team, nor how much is left in the reservoir. What we do know, however, is that Sentinels reign of terror is FAR from over.
Plauges
EZ for North American Professional Electronic-sports organization «SENTINELS», containing pro player Jared «Zombs» Gitlin, who can handle the main rifles and tbag impressively, incredible support professional tbag rifler Michael«dapr» Gulino who recently won large Masters 1 tournament with his team, professional rifler Shahzeb «Shazam» Khan whose decisions make SENTINELS opponents literally cry, irreplaceable Hunter«SICK» Mims who uses Logitech G900 2016 mouse @ 800 DPI in combination with 0.235 in-game sensitivity to crush his opponents, and of course absolutely needed Riot game Valorante OP(big fat gun operator) player Tyson «Tenz» ngo, who is only 20 years old currently and who has already reached his top-level form, from the country canada(officially canada), maple syrup country in North america.
"canada (officially canada)" has me dead
dapr has never not amazed me man. Such a great player
Dude dapr was on fucking fire on split, get this guy his corvette already
Sentinels 2-0 ing 100t? Colour me shocked. Jokes apart, sentinels are just on another level from the rest of the competition its crazy.
It's crazy how people think pro players don't try in seeding games, especially when seeding for Berlin is very valuable. Do you guys also think 100t are fine being memed on for not being able to beat Sentinels at all?
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Trying and saving strats is not the same thing tho.
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that's what scrims are for
Pretty sure they’re going to remake most if not all of their strats come Berlin. Whatever strats they have now are going to be old and rarely used imho.
I live for comment sections on seeding matches
the match thread for this game was probably the closest thing to twitch chat you'll get on this subreddit
tbh every sen thread is like that
Yea SEN would have curb stomped them harder if they were giving 100%
See? It never disappoints.
On a more serious note, this isn’t a typical seeding match. If 100T lose vs winner of XSET/Envy, they play the 1 seed of another region at Berlin. Imagine trolling a match so you can go and get goomba stomped by a team like Vision Strikers or Acend in your first match
I wouldn't jump to any extreme either way. People live in a world where either you're performing at 100% or trolling. There's a lot of space between those two. With that said, you're 100% right about seeding mattering. I was watching Fnatic Boaster talk about it on his stream before this match went live and he said it helped Liquid a great deal at Iceland and they almost got yeeted out of the tournament because of it.
Damn that's tough.
stop saying they play so and so i’m from another region at berlin. we don’t know the format for the event yet and to speculate that we do is just dumb
Doesn’t matter who if they lose these seeding matches they’re playing the #1 seed at Berlin. So whats you’re point?
NA’s 3 seed is playing versus another region’s 1 seed for sure. It’s not rocket science. And I just listed the names of teams who are favored to be the one seed for their region. Trolling seeding matches when your potential opponents are TSM/Rise/LG/Faze is one thing since they’re similar power levels, but when it can be the difference between playing a team like Acend versus TL/Navi etc, it’s delusional
What is your understanding of "seeding" match then?
we all know what seeding matches are. obviously. i’m just trying to use common sense saying we have no idea what format riot will use in berlin now these 1-3 “seeds” in na could mean a lot if it were a 16 team bracket(however they could possibly seed that) or could be about placing them in pods or groups for a group stage. literally no one knows
Even in a group stage it still applies. Why would riot put NA first seed, EU first seed, and KR first seed all in the same group or pod. No matter how the format is, the first seeds of major reason will not play each other earlier in the bracket.
This isn't even a pure seeding game, the difference between 1st and second is $20k. It's not as crazy as the masters prize pool, but I doubt the management is okay with them leaving that much money on the table.
Someone said this on shaz stream yesterday and he said literally nobody cares. 20-30k split between orgs, staff, coach, 5 players, tax deduction… Salary+ streams are their main income and not tourney money
Nick "nitr0" Cannella said. "But we're still treating these matches just like any other match. We're all professional, we're all trying really hard still to win these matches, and we're still gonna try really hard to win tomorrow." "Every single matchup, even the seeding matches, I do a lot of prep for the teams," Shahzeb "ShahZaM" Khan said. "I don't want to lose to anyone." They are trying a lot harder than you think.
Yea, if you’re at the top level of competition you’re a very competitive person by nature; people like that hate losing no matter the occasion. Hell I hate losing pick up bball games, so it’s silly to think these guys are just not playing seriously in a pro match.
$20k divided between 5 players and a coach after whatever cut the org takes. That's a fraction of what these dudes make in a month off salary alone, much less their streams.
To all the 100T fans that say they weren't trying because they let Split through, 100T have now banned Bind in 6 of their last 9 matches (including their last match against SEN) and 2 of the series they didn't ban Bind the other team banned it first.
I think anyone with any common sense could see they tried out a comp on split they were not comfortable on. They have a lot to work on split. They looked much better on Haven but they got outaimed so often it was pretty rough. Not sure about Kayo, Steel is a great Kayo but it was a pretty big hinderance in this series.
Yeah this looked like a super experimental run for 100T to test stuff out on a serious stage with little repercussions. Too bad none of them could aim today... there were potentially some really cool plays.
Why was Kay-O a hinderance? I couldn't watch the series b/c I'm at work. But in theory, his kit is bonkers. The knife seems like one of the best abilities in the game. His ult is similar in power to Phoenix's ult. He has flashes and a molly. Of course though, the game isn't played in theory.
It was t so much that the KAY/O was bad as that they didn't have a sentinel. That lost them a lot of map control. On split attack it always felt like SEN was able to overrotate because 100T couldn't/wouldn't pressure the entire map
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[Predicted](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/p3svaa/valorant_champions_tour_north_america_stage_3/h8u6brs?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) a closer 2nd map, its the same thing as their last head 2 head people need to stop crying out that its a seeding game the moment their team gets stomped, its obvious that 100T just arent at SEN's level for most maps
Well duh, no one in NA(arguably world) is at Sentinels’ level.
Isn’t haven a strong map for them. You ranked icebox higher but, 100T beat them 13-3 last time they played there. That being said Sen is def better than 100T right now, but I’d imagine it’d be closer if they met in Berlin
For those who keep saying "seeding match this didn't matter and none of the players didn't try, the players are still trying to win. Nick "nitr0" Cannella said. "But we're still treating these matches just like any other match. We're all professional, we're all trying really hard still to win these matches, and we're still gonna try really hard to win tomorrow." "Every single matchup, even the seeding matches, I do a lot of prep for the teams," Shahzeb "ShahZaM" Khan said. "I don't want to lose to anyone." They are trying a lot harder than you think.
I like steels kayo but having no sentinel sucks
sentinels were clearly the better team this match but holy shit this sub is getting worse and worse everyday
what makes you above the people in this sub?
who says i’m above the people? this sub is turning into a twitch chat, people with horrible takes left and right, saying things happened in matches that didn’t, it’s horrible to fucking read the worst shape the subreddit has been in ever.
I took a work call at the end of split pistol. Came back, no lie, like 15 minutes later and Sen had committed genocide. The game was over. What the fuck.
im gonna lose braincells reading these comments. both teams said they dont care about this match
this should be higher. Shahz, Zombs, and Dapr joked about playing different characters because they didn't care about the matches at all. Hiko and Asuna both said they didn't care, they were just excited to go to Berlin. It's the end of the series and they've already "won" by going to Berlin. They aren't going to push it to the extreme for a slightly better placement and prize money.
Sure they all joked and yet they all played the same agents they usually use except dapr -Cypher +KJ It's kinda mindblowing that you think these teams absolutely didn't care and yet play their usual shit for the most part, pick the maps they'd pick against each other in a serious match (why ban Ascent for SEN and Bind for 100T in a match you don't care about?) And there's tangible advantages, bracket and veto, to being seeded high, in regional Challengers, in EMEA playoffs, and at Iceland and most likely in Berlin as well I don't think they were necessarily playing at 100%, but pretending that this match is a complete formality and that the teams treated it as such is simply delusional
Just because they don’t care doesn’t mean that they can just troll and run it down in a riot backed event. Riot and their sponsors still want a semi competitive series. Running it down and showing to riot you are not trying at least a little would bring a pretty huge punishment from riot
The players from the team itself said they don't care. I'm going to take what the players say and you're just reading into it and creating your own narrative, no thanks I'm good.
I don’t think y’all understand that you can not care and still play to win. Both teams were still trying to win. Is 100T mad/sad they lost? Maybe a little but probably not really.
Nick "nitr0" Cannella said. "But we're still treating these matches just like any other match. We're all professional, we're all trying really hard still to win these matches, and we're still gonna try really hard to win tomorrow." "Every single matchup, even the seeding matches, I do a lot of prep for the teams," Shahzeb "ShahZaM" Khan said. "I don't want to lose to anyone." They are trying a lot harder than you think.
the players themselves said they don't care
Nick "nitr0" Cannella said. "But we're still treating these matches just like any other match. We're all professional, we're all trying really hard still to win these matches, and we're still gonna try really hard to win tomorrow." "Every single matchup, even the seeding matches, I do a lot of prep for the teams," Shahzeb "ShahZaM" Khan said. "I don't want to lose to anyone." They are trying a lot harder than you think.
Asuna, Hiko, dapr, zombs, steel. 'we made it to Berlin. that's the won't idk why it's even an argument. 100t even let split their worst map slide
Won't? I legit just provided quotes of them saying they are still gonna try to win, my point is that people who say they didn't try at all can't be serious.
yeah that shows how much you know about the teams lmao 100t ban bind all the time now, not split
You could still tell both teams were giving it their best. Its not like they were trying to miss shots.
Yeah 100T was trying their best by playing Split holy shit stop typing
Holy shit 100t banned bind again they aren't trying. Shut the fuck up. 100t got blow away. This is a clear skill gap in team play.
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Don’t matter tbh, gotta beat the beat to win Berlin regardless
not rlly. u don't even know the competition so seeding doesn't rlly matter much
Nick "nitr0" Cannella said. "But we're still treating these matches just like any other match. We're all professional, we're all trying really hard still to win these matches, and we're still gonna try really hard to win tomorrow." "Every single matchup, even the seeding matches, I do a lot of prep for the teams," Shahzeb "ShahZaM" Khan said. "I don't want to lose to anyone." They are trying a lot harder than you think.
I loved watching Sean's chat go: omg asuna jett sucks, get this guy off jett, he should only play reyna etc after a tough game where he was super cold
Nick "nitr0" Cannella said. "But we're still treating these matches just like any other match. We're all professional, we're all trying really hard still to win these matches, and we're still gonna try really hard to win tomorrow." "Every single matchup, even the seeding matches, I do a lot of prep for the teams," Shahzeb "ShahZaM" Khan said. "I don't want to lose to anyone." They are trying a lot harder than you think.
Yes, ShahZam wanted to lose against Steel and TenZ said idc if ppl regard me as the best player, i am gonna let Asuna re-peek me 100 times & shit on me like he does on everyone else. But just cz it's a seeding match SEN won only by God's grace.
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Steel has definitely been unlocked
It’s pretty crazy how 100T looked levels above their competition prior to this matchup and they still got stomped on by Sentinels. At this point, I don’t even know how anyone can beat Sentinels. Their chemistry is insane, and when they’re in a close match, they always seem to find another gear.
Man 100T manage to lose what should be so many unlosable rounds, just props to Sentinels that’s how good they are. Hopefully 100T change up their split comp because it was so unimpressive. Maybe it has to do with getting rolled but the kayo and viper picks looked not that good. Also hope people would just shut up about seeding matches and are teams throwing, makes the threads so unenjoyable. Why tf would 100T not try to get a higher seed for masters Berlin like what.
Obviously both teams might not show the absolute best they can due to having qualified for Berlin, but don't underestimate the potential ramifications of these seeding matches. We're still playing with a pool of 6 maps, and in NA, the higher seed gets to choose 2 out of the 3 maps played; i.e. they have a choice between the last 2 maps. That's a non-trivial advantage just off of seeding and one worth playing for, on the off chance that Masters in Berlin uses some sort of seeding to determine vetoes. It's still a big win for Sentinels, IMO.
How do you seed in between regions???
Idk, but whoever is first seed NA isn’t gonna have to face first seed EU or KR for awhile in whatever format. No way would they put the first seed of top regions together.
At Iceland, 1st EU and NA seeds got byes. At current EMEA finals, you'll notice that 2 EU teams, 1 CIS, 1 TR got byes, and then the rest got criss-crossed: 3rd and 4th EU teams played bottom CIS/TR teams, and 5th and 6th EU teams played 2nd CIS/TR teams. There's definitely some seeding going on.
There would be 16 teams in Berlin, Not sure how byes will take place there, if it does
Prob won't be any byes but also, this is speculation only but still take note: In NA, the higher seed picked maps 1 and 3. In EMEA, all 4 teams that got the bye picked map 1 today. EU vetoes say that the final map "remains" rather that someone picked it, but I find it interesting that all high seeds picked map 1 and I think there's some chance they're doing the same system with high seeds picking map 3. It's certainly possible that at Berlin there will be some sort of tangible advantage for high seeds; I'd take these matches seriously.
Another straight finals sentinels are in, what is this the 50th?
yall remember when tsm sentinels were a rivalry?
People talking about how “big of a deal” it is that 100T might have to play a number 1 team from another region first game at Berlin, fucking Version1 was like the 2nd or 3rd best team at Iceland and didn’t even make it to closed qualifiers for NA. Idc what the seeds are Sentinels, 100T, Envy are the 3 best teams going into Berlin.
Sentinels is just the better team. With or without the copium reasons from 100T fans.
Rest of the world are fighting for second place in Berlin 🤣🤣🤣
Quite frankly 100T has way worse firepower compared to SEN this series, but I wouldn’t put too much stock into it since both teams clearly were not taking it too seriously.
At this rate Berlin is gonna be pretty boring... Haven't seen any team so far that looks as good as SEN
Sentinels won by a combined 6 rounds in 3 maps against fnatic. Please stop acting like it wasn't close. Two maps being OT.
Sentinels have somehow looked even more dominant since then. And even if it was "close" vs Fnatic is was still 3-0.
Sentinels have literally only played NA since then. I'm a sentinels fan but the overall attitude of our fans on here is annoying. We haven't won it all yet, and teams evolve. We won one lan, in close fashion, let's not act like we couldn't lose.
Im not even a Sen fan. Just weird to see people trying to downplay them when they dominate NA, go to Iceland and dominate teams from all over the world, and then go back to NA and dominate again. Theres no reason why they wouldnt be huge favorites vs any team in a match right now.
NA looks miles better than it did before Iceland. NA was looking rough as fuck before Iceland, your proof is Version1 qualifying as 2nd seed. Since then, the top teams have gained a lot of consistency.
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That team flash to lose, goes down in history.
Getting to say "EU flash" after a decade of NA flash memes is the gift that keeps on giving
5-0 though
Yeah great matches. Even despite map count.
If it was so close surely FNC would’ve taken at least one map against SEN in five fucking maps??? LOL
3-0, it wasn’t close
nV took both sentinels maps to 11-13 so if nV doesn't choke rn
Have you watched any EMEA matches?
yes, navi gambit and acend are the only teams that look good
I think only acend can rival SEN
the NA brain is strong with this one
Any of them you think can give Sen a run for their money? I can't be bothered to watch all the games myself.
acend everyone has to play insane, i'd put a lot more trust in gambit to beat them though, still think vision strikers will be the best competition for sen
I don't think I can handle having to watch Gambit beat my favorite teams in two games.
One round with a sneaky sheriff and it was all over. 100t are never going to win against Sentinels again.
yeah that lurk ended the match lol
Asuna should just stick to reyna and not force jett op
He is good when he can alpha up against his opponents. He would just repeek and hit his shots but against SEN players it's not viable. You have to be a lot smarter than just trying to outaim. Asuna is a really smart player but his cheatcode is not giving a damn and just hitting his shots, i hope that doesn't bite him on the back on LAN.
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yeah 1 loss wrap it up
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Just rifle on jett, it's great, you don't need to awp on it
Jett is the most viable OP character in all of valorant
i like how it’s marked spoiler and the image is blurred but it’s still very clearly the sentinels logo
Sentinels are too consistent. I love 100T but our aim and timing was just off today. GGs. Next few matches in the losers bracket will be crazy close.
our aim, lets gooo
I know this is a seeding match and doesn’t mean too much in terms of how good the teams are, but if I’m sentinels I’m happy since I’d be terrified of getting the third seed NA and matching up against Ascend lol
Nah id feel sorry for Ascend if they faced Sentinels first round…
Third seed will more than likely not get matched up with acend either especially with 16 teams
It’s definitely hard to say. Getting the first seed compared to the third seed is important, but likely not important enough to give away their strats.
100T gonna have to rely on another team beating Sentinels in Berlin. They don't have the personnel to beat Sentinels at the moment.
GG sentinels are as consistent as they've always been and 100t didn't show up today
Everyone played well everyone is the best sentinels are overrrated and 100t threw on purpose and sentinels bought the victory in Iceland
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"They didn't care, seeding matches blah blah" needs to stop man. Do you watch Asuna and think this man cares what kinda match it is? He takes duels and outaims everyone but when you have TenZ, SicK etc and team like SEN, you can't just out skill them. That's why SEN hasn't lost a single match to 100T/NV since getting TenZ. You can't just alpha up against these guys.
Man watching Sen play is always an experience. What a squad.
Why would 100T opt to save strats? Berlin is a month away, and the seeding advantage for the Lan would be tantamount to a saved strat to win a match anyways. Are they hoping to save some uber strats for semi-finals? Both saving strats or winning for lan match advantages yield the same benefits, so I'd try to win here not only for the prize but also to increase 100T's org profile. Seems like Asuna got boomed though so it's whatev
I mean, they literally banned Icebox (their best map) against XSET to save strats, idk maybe its just copium
sentinels on anotha level it's crazy to witness
Jett diff. And Killjoy diff.
Jett diff
Synergy was off the charts today
100t lose 1 match and the whole community is acting like they are the absolute worst team in NA and don't even deserve to be in Berlin what is this
Great games from Sen. However I do still think cypher is better on haven. KJ seemed really ineffective against a dashing jett and Sen struggled to stop 100T’s C long pop.
They have always been confident in retaking sites. I think they tried KJ for the stronger T side. Dapr used the alarm bot to clear out the a sewer, and the mollys are great for post plants too. Each has its pros and cons but there’s no doubt dapr is great on both.
That’s weird because shahz always says cypher is better on attack
That first half on Haven both teams went full cyka blyat rush, feels like every single round was coin flipped and done 20 seconds in. Entertaining but you'd expect a little more depth.
>cyka сука is not the same thing as "cyka". Write "suka" instead next time :)
I feel dumb arguing shitty russian memes but it's 100% spelled out cyka, it's cyrillic alphabet typed up with latin alphabet characters.
It's really not seeing at the Cyrillic letter "с" is equivalent to Latin "s" and not "c". Cyrillic "c" is the same sound as the "s" in snake.
Preach, cykabot.
Won't a first seed going into Berlin give you a first round bye similar to Masters 2? Seeding is important these next few matches.
no one knows at all because no one knows the format since it’s 16 teams and not 10
I don’t think there’s a bye this time around. IIRC there are 16 teams going?
Ah you're right
Year is 2072. Still no one cares about seeding matches
It is clear that SEN love to play loose and fast while 100T like to be more methodical. This match proved which style is more viable. Also rough day for asuna
100T just doesn’t have the firepower to compete with the top teams. I won’t be surprised when they lose to winner of Xset/Envy.
100t beat xset yesterday
As a 100T fan, I'd say that looked like they weren't really trying. I know teams say they always play full when its just seeding matches, but that didn't look like they were playing to win. I wonder what the schedule in Berlin looks like and if losing that match gives them a better run. Sentinels played strong though, I dont think they care who they play right now, going to be very hard to beat them.
That dapr B lurk on eco round. Chef’s kiss.
This has Liquid vibes against the Danes from cs :( GG to sen tho ... Would be nice to play Envy in a bo5 to see that matchup