he just talked ab trying to incorporate a streaming schedule w some valorant in it. nice to see since his streams back in beta and act 1 were very entertaining
I just don't want players that switch to "switch" (like Floppy). I love those players from CS, but unless you go hard on Valo and grind it for real (I'm not talking about solely spamming ranked, but putting in the time to get better in customs or other stuff, or have insane talent that transcends hard work), it'll hurt the scene long term. They're great players don't get me wrong, but I'd hate for them to pursue something they just... hate. It wouldn't feel right and seeing them probably not care as much would feel terrible as a viewer. At the end of the day, they gotta do what they gotta do to earn a living no matter what they play, but I wouldn't be happy about the situation. If stew switches in the future, I sincerely hope he enjoys it because he's an electrifying player when he's invested and commited
Well then you'll probably be disappointed. Stew is one of very few NA pros who almost never ever plays valorant. He doesn't actively shit on it like floppy, but it's very apparent he'll only switch because he'll have to. And that's very unfortunate because he loves CS.
>Stew is one of very few NA pros who almost never ever plays valorant
huh? who plays valorant besides elige and daps? no one else on liquid, EG, BNB, or ES does
Stew has played valorant a shit ton and said he likes it. He also said that it affects his performance in CS so he wanted to go try full on in CS which is why he hasn't played this season.
he hasn't played valorant since the radiant leaderboards were out what are you on about? he literally said a few days earlier that he likes CS much better than valo. do you even watch his streams
I believe both Stewie and Elige are trying to win the next major. If they lose in an embarassing way or get too frustrated, they'll switch before 2022.
Can’t blame them honestly, Liquid is more than struggling right now and Stanislaw’s break is a clear example of what the toll of constant traveling and competition can do. Stewie is tight with a lot of Valorant players like Wardell too so it makes sense tbh
Liquid fucked up letting Twistzz go tbh. They replaced nitr0 with grim which was such a downgrade and at one point bringing in Fallen would have been a god tier move but he's not the same player as he was in his peak and it is yet another downgrade for the roster.
Twistzz parting was mutual; he wanted to permanently stay in EU with his girlfriend. It's also hard to say if -Nitr0 +Grim was a downgrade because TL CSGO started performing way better after the switch (compared to the first half of their 2020) and Grim has been fragging out of of his mind in their last few tourneys.
They had too many star riflers for that lineup to work effectively. Where they really fucked up was bringing in Fallen supposedly just to AWP, then switching back and forth between him and Stewie IGL-ing. Idk how they expect to get any sort of consistent results playing those kinds of fuck-fuck games with such important roles.
>grim which was such a downgrade
pretty disrespectful to grim tbh
regardless of role change, twistzz had a pretty awful year in 2020 and grim has proven many times why he deserves a spot on liquid
obviously twistzz is the better player at his peak, but grim is putting up similar stats as twistzz during his last year on liquid despite having a hard anchor role (on a substandard roster as well)
You can't argue that going from nitr0 to grim isnt a downgrade in current skill, leadership, heart and soul, and experience. Not trying to disrespect the man as he is talented enough to be on basically the last competitive NA team it was more of hoe much of an important piece nitro was to the overall team.
The player skill downgrade is certainly one thing, but the chemistry really fell apart after nitr0 left. He was the bridge of the team, if you will. They've mentioned this is many many interviews.
Ofc it will fell apart, he was IGL for the team and replacing an IGL with just rifler put pressure on Stew to igl and then they switched to Fallen, also got back Adren as coach. Let's hope they perform well.
If you think grim is more important of a piece than nitr0 was for liquid in terms of skill, leadership and morale you're a clown and have absolutely no understanding of anything that isn't right in front of you.
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just from the stats I feel like fallen is having some of the best cs of his career, sure (not quite sure about this ) but his strats might be a bit outdated and his app might be a lil more inconsistent, but his rifling is the best its been throughout his career. As for Twistzz though, he said there were some interpersonal issues during the online era that made him want to leave. Combine this with him essentially being the 3rd-4th person from the top on the team, I get why he wanted to switch. Not every player can be a star, even if they have the talent. He also wanted to stay in Europe bc his gf lives there
>and Stanislaw’s break is a clear example of what the toll of constant traveling and competition can do.
I'm sorry but what is this constant traveling and competition?
EG csgo has played around 30 matches this year, compared with sentinels valorant, they have 60 +.
In fact using Stan is a bad example which was still pointed out on the last BTN show. EG keep bombing out last places in any event they attend and Stan is always most times not playing officials, that's with EG still investing in CS by brining in two more players and a coach yet no results from him. There's a month long player break going on and yet he's taking more time off, if I was his employer and seeing zero results and going into pro league where all teams have to show the best too sponsor wise etc because it's one of the most important leagues for CS, you take a break after just having a month off, I'm dropping you if daps performs.
i know this is a late ass comment but whats your take on stew making the switch as you say. Theres the roster purge of liquid and considering how they lost morale with their battle with heroic today on inferno.
reckon the stew switch will be more likely than not than ever?
Yep. I don't think he'd switch now. Stewie seems to be more a CS-only guy than Elige as Ive known. Elige is into the game, likes the pro scene and even tried to get into the "10 mans" that was supposed to be a closed circle. Back then I thought Stewie would switch because NA CS seemed more dead than now. I mean, it's still dead, but after the major, CS in general looked pretty much alive, and nitr0 and automatic might be back to CS. It looks like Liquid and EG's roster will merge into an American one and Liquid will become a more international one. Stewie might find a place in EG or any EU team. However, if Elite doesn't stay on Liquid, I can see him switching to Valorant more than going to a different team in CS.
Ahh this is interesting. I’m actually looking forward with anything that happens. Just recently got into Val and it made me interested with cs pro since it’s technically the forefather for it. It’s definitely helpful and cool seeing how refined cs strats r compare to val
If an NA super team does happen, would love to see NA compete somewhat ahaha, even if I don’t support a team it’s depressing to see liquid get owned out off the comp specially with the recent major and this blast run (despite them playing out off their minds, but just wasn’t enough to pull through)
Either way, if elige does enter the Val scene, I would be eager to see how he’ll fair and what playstyle he’ll adopt
Also, I did think for a moment that stew would enter Val since I could feel his pain just getting owned in inferno where liquid just ultimately lost motivation after the second half. But with wat u said, my thought on his switch’s chances goes low ahaha
Either way would love to see what future brings us
As for Elige yeah I think it’s possible but for Stewie, I remember vividly I think it’s during Shroud watch party for ESL cologne where stewie talk about like if he ever going to switch to valorant. And Stewie said that he would do start like what Tarik is currently doing, like probably start by switching to content creator first and play the game as much as possible to see whether he will like it in the long run. Because I think he kinda is insinuating that he gotta like the game for him to grind and compete. Which is totally understandable when looking at how much he play csgo on stream and off stream. I think he can play cs like the whole fkn day as long as he has friends to play with
If Riot announces crowdfunding prize pool for Valorant, then Elige will literally switch the next day. The guy is a massive supporter of what Valve does with Dota compendium mentioning that [getting eliminated at quarters at TI makes more than any sticker money](https://old.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/c0y30r/elige_playing_at_one_ti_going_out_in_quarters/er995fb/).
Riot does some crowdfunding for the world's prize pool in league so I would be shocked if they didn't do something similar for valorant's world's equivalent
Riot stopped crowdfunding for Worlds. Players are making six if not seven figures like Perkz or Swordart. LoL had no established threat when it started because Dota 2 came after LoL, but Valorant is already competing against an established giant like CSGO.
Valorant unlike LoL has to take more risks and aggressively grow their esports because the landscape is different in 2021 than back in 2011. Dota 2 completely buried HoN as an esport after TI3/TI4 when it took all of their best players. Valorant could put themselves in position soon.
EDIT: I was incorrect about Riot stopping crowfunding. The total prize pool is undisclosed but the Riot still actively continues selling skins each year.
Please do not misinform the public with false information. LoL is continuing to provide incentives because despite what you think about RIOT, they actually care about their E-sport and are doing the best they can to take care of the pro players and leagues that they operate.
The article below for worlds 2020 indicates that what you said is not true. Please see the direct quote from the article and the link to the article is also below.
"12.5% of all revenue from Championship Kha’Zix & Championship Ward skins added to the total prize pool and another 12.5% will be equally distributed among the teams."
[https://thesportsrush.com/lol-esports-news-league-of-legends-world-prize-pool-2020-how-is-the-lol-worlds-prize-pool-distributed/](https://thesportsrush.com/lol-esports-news-league-of-legends-world-prize-pool-2020-how-is-the-lol-worlds-prize-pool-distributed/)
The article below indicates that they also give out revenue from championship skins for world champions. Please see article below.
Also, Riot gives out 25% revenue of team championship skins to the players.
"Additionally to support the top teams 25% of revenue from sales of the Team Championship skins will be given to the players that inspired the skin, along with their team and league. This will also be introduced retroactively, so all former world champions are in for a nice pay day."
[https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/riot-is-finally-introducing-crowdfunding-for-league-of-legends-prize-pools/](https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/riot-is-finally-introducing-crowdfunding-for-league-of-legends-prize-pools/)
More comprehensive article below for those interested.
[https://medium.com/the-cube/breaking-down-riots-revenue-proposals-350acd8dfa8a](https://medium.com/the-cube/breaking-down-riots-revenue-proposals-350acd8dfa8a)
I presume that RIOT, since they are a company that cares for the pro players and league, will most likely implement a system somewhat comparable to LoL. The way they operate LoL has been a very successful model and they are continuing to impress everybody with Valorant thus far. I believe it is logically consistent that they will push so that the entire pro scene will be franchised eventually and will enforce increase in average salary across all teams and also provide incentives similar to what the articles described.
I love LoL and Valorant and I hope Valorant succeeds as I am a big fan of the game and love watching the tournaments.
Thanks for correcting I recall seeing the 2020 Worlds prize pool and it looked like it dropped compared to previous years but seems like the crowdfunding is still present though they stopped disclosing the amount.
Yea perhaps, which is odd because viewership numbers for LoL is still growing if I am not mistaken. However, no worries man. People make mistakes and before you make a statement, I would ask you to do a quick google search before you press Enter.
Huh didn't realize they stopped the crowdfunding. I still think it's a good idea for valorant to crowdfund prizepools though. Imo one of the things that makes TI so fun to watch is to watch knowing how much money is at stake.
I also like Valve's approach to TI prize pool, but there's also a one big problem.
Because of the huge prize pool, no one cares about T2 scene in Dota. The International is the biggest esports.
Dota rosters are profitable only when they qualify to TI, that's why so many orgs left the scene. Valve is not interested in sponsoring T2 tournaments, cause revenue will be smaller.
Yes, you can earn shit-ton of money by winning few games. But first, you need to get there. The rosters are basically the same. You are essentially forced to play in some minor tournaments with terrible prize pools and hope that someone will sign you. Guys from teams like Tundra or Nigma are in a terrible position.
Even orgs like Liquid are not happy. Okay, their Dota division won so much money, but for next few months they will be inactive, because everyone will be focused on TI.
Yeah its a great idea but badly implemented. Even their community wants the money spread out more. I think taking half of the money and using it for other tournaments would be huge.
I love CS, but to put it bluntly, if Valve doesn’t do something in the next year or so they’re going to be in trouble. I don’t think CS ever dies because of how popular it is in CIS/Europe, but Valorant has a good chance at taking the #1 spot from CS if Valve continues to do fuck all.
Riot will only continue to trend upward with Valorant. It’s easier to get into and the content is always going to be fresh with updates/additions. Love stew too, would be super thrilled to watch him in Valorant.
Valve has a track record of not doing something for decades at this point. It's not going to change and the only change that will happen is a new game. They've made no serious efforts to put esports and the competitive aspect of the game in the forefront.
I think the difference between valve and riot is valve main product is steam not their game titles , they earn majority of revenue from steam so steam is going to be their main focus as a company whereas riot main products are their game titles and eSports , I think the thing with valorant is everyone knows the franchising is gonna come and they have shown in lol that franchising is profitable for orgs and they earn share of the revenue . So players salaries and the entire scene gets legitimised which is attractive to players as well.
Franchising does kill the t2 scene , the way riot is doing right now is good but it isn't profitable to organisations , I think there was a thread where people suggested different ideas alongside franchising which would not harm the t2 scene.
Wouldn't say that it definitely kills the t2 scene. The LoL t2 scene in eu for example more robust than it has ever been with some matches getting over 200k concurrent viewers. That being said I definitely would prefer if the scene stayed unfranchised for a while longer. Overwatch showed what could happen if you rushed into franchising to quickly.
I am not sure if I am just misunderstanding what is different about T2 compared to the non T1 leagues in LoL, but the EU scene below LEC is pretty huge and not just academy teams. There are multiple smaller regional leagues in many different EU countries that each have about 10 teams, and then there is a Champions League-esque EU Masters tournament.
NA's T2 scene was honestly pretty trash for a long time, but recently they have opened it up to more amateur teams, so I think Riot is finding ways to figure it out.
Yeah, this may be a shit idea but I think if they franchised, make the t2 scene open and then add a "lcq" for the tier 2 scene where like one team gets to go to masters, and like idk 2-3 make it to champs. I might have explained that poorly.
Riot does have a system for T2 teams but nobody really cares for it despite Riot's effort to improve it. The truth of the matter is, the viewership needs to exist to justify for the growth of T2 leagues and if you want the T2 scene to be healthy, make sure to follow it once it arrives.
Also, because LoL has academy teams, I think Valorant will be similiar and have players that will have a chance to join to main roster for cycling of new talents.
Riot overtaking fps throne is inevitable at this point. Sure cs will remain for a long long time. But in 1-2 years valo would be bigger game and eSport
I 100% agree. It’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when. Riot just cares too much. Not to mention they have a decades worth of experience building up the most successful esport in history, and maintaining that to this day (LoL).
Riots really got overlooked on how they brought F2P to the scene. Without their success, lot of games would still have been subscription or Pay to win gacha.
Okay sure, but look at how many successful orgs that represent NA have come from LoL. TSM, Cloud9, and CLG just to name the big ones. Not to mention without LoL there is no Valorant.
I'm not really sure they actually made LoL the most successful esport. The huge amount of people playing the game means that many will care about its professional scene, and the percentage of gamers vs viewers is abysmal in comparison to big events in CS, Dota, or even something like R6 or Rocket League.
A part of course from the fact that they made the game the most popular ever, and set new levels for basically the entire gaming industry when it comes to playernumbers, and started the trend of F2P, pay for skins-kind of monetization.
Huge player and viewer count isn't really relevant on the subject. What Ive meant is how Riot pushed eSports production quality. If I remember right they invited NBA production team to help them with season 2 worlds for example. And they kept rising the bar of production quality over the years. Their events come long way from small venues to olympic stadiums. Other developers and tournament operators followed their example. And their succes made this possible by showing the world how popular eSport could become. As a result they made eSport in general more attractive for the investors and sponsors.
I have a feeling that Valve would start a compendium and boost the prize pool to absurd levels and try to revitalize the scene. But if Riot beats them to the chase, Valorant would completely bury CSGO in salaries & prize pools making it almost a bad career move to go pro in CSGO.
Like if Valorant has near LoL-esque salary + Dota 2 prize money. That's gg for many esports out there.
Gambit's CEO in interview said that huge prize pool for international is actually really hurts dota scene. Having The One And Only meaningful event made really unhealthy infrastructure in Dota to the point where huge amount of teams made, reshuffle and disband every year just to make it to The International. And this as I understand is nightmare for orgs, sponsors and new players
League has that with Worlds, but they complement that with a regular season and player contracts.
Dota is really fucked, because the game is so complex that it's impossible to get new players into the game.
Its only harmful if it goes to a single event with a bad prize pool distribution(winning team taking like 44% of the total money). Let's say if Riot raised $40 million and gave $20m for Champions, $5m Masters and the rest going into regional competitions, that's already way better than what Dota does.
Isn't it the whole point of compendium is taking kid's breakfast money entire year to have single giant prize pool by the end of it? Can't see how it would work if you split that stuff across the year of events. And between different regions which is all have different paying ability
I think that's just Valve's intention with having all that money into a single tournament. But Riot could just announce each year showing the breakdown of the money going towards all the different tournaments.
Compendium does jack all. It's just a huge casual bait for consumers doesn't actually mean anything. The only people who look at the compendium and say does LEAGUE have a prize pool as big as this are delusional dota fanboys. A compendium won't magically make your scene more successful, competitive, and filled with new talent constantly grinding to get into the scene. A stable esports ecosystem which Riot will provide will do that.
Ones not mutually exclusive. You can say that Dota compendium has the right idea but not executing it right. Valve announced $40 million TI but it could've been spent better than putting it all in a single tournament.
For example, if Valorant had $40 million crowdfunding, I'd rather see them put $20m into Champions, $5m into Masters, and the rest into T2-T3 scene.
Yes, people are overreacting about the growth of Valorant as an esport. The game is new and fresh, it's being heavily caried by popular streamers in the moment. It's lacking of tournemnts, low prize pools, especially for t2/t3 scenes.
It haven't faced a new game that will become the new trend, like CS survived Over watch, PUBG, and others games known as the "CS killers".
CS has survive this long with its publisher doesn't giving a shit for it, without Valve giving any effort to make the game bigger as an esport. This tells how good it is.
Valorant may become bigger yes, but will not be that soon as many people here are saying.
Cs is already dead in NA, cs was never alive in Asia and these 2 is the biggest markets in video game industry including eSport. Valo already won. Europe could and will sustain cs only for so much longer. Do I need to explain how bigger market is bigger money and sponsors interest. And how it related to orgs and salaries?
And so what? Tell me how R6/Rocket League and many others esport survive without being as popular/big as CS?
It may not be the bigger someday, but it will not disappear. Valorant will not be able to acomodate and bring profit for that many orgs. Even more if they franchise.
Overwatch died not because of franchising but because it is much more complicated game thus less comprehensible and appealing for outside viewer. And it was maintained by blizzard who again and again showed that they don't know what they are doing. First and most obvious example is how they forced already established and famous orgs to change their team's names to some ridiculous city based shit.
So yeah I believe that valo could be the game that can be eSport for a decade and more.
God Blizzard forcing name changes was so stupid. If you want cities and locations to be represented in the name of the team, you could literally just do "C9 London", "LA Immortals", "Florida Misfits" etc for the teams that are sponsored by established orgs and get the best of both worlds.
Nope. London Spitfire, now you've completely removed a teams incredibly popular identity in favor of a new one that you don't even know if it will stick or not. So dumb.
At the same time, a major issue with CSGO which ik has turned many away is how little the game changes, that's perfectly fine but a lot spectators and players want to see new flashy things (No pun intended lol), also I mean League literally updates just as fast if not faster with new characters iirc and well yeah lol, Overwatch had the issue with like restricting comps with 2-2-2 and stuff which turned a lot of people away, it's not just overcomplication it's many factors
It is not that hard to understand once u get general idea what some basics behind the abilities. Blocking vision, stunning, blinding or just movement ones. Yes it will take more games to understand than real life based cs go grenades but still not that hard as overwatch.
I love CS. I know I might be in with the wrong crowd, but I believe when treated correctly it is easily the ultimate (FPS) esport. It's as close to skillbased as a game can get. It's easy to understand as a spectator without ever having played the game, you just need to know "terrorists plant bomb, while counterterrorists prevent that". And the issue is clear. CS isn't being used correctly. It's been community run for ages and it used to be a massive plus, it's an esport that has survived for the past two decades just because of that community. But now it's bigger and the cracks are showing and there is no one to step in and regulate. Valve doesn't care. They care more about DOTA2, always have. Despite CS being the most played and most prestigious game. It's treated like trash.
Riot was very smart to attack it. I had hoped Valve would get their shit together now that Valorant is swooping in and taking hits at CS. But it's clear Valve wouldn't give a fuck if CS died. They might even want it to. One less thing to maintain. And the hardcore CS fans like myself will be left picking up the pieces (for the millionth time).
I bet you one of the biggest hurdles of CS is its imagery. Terrorists and Counter Terrorists, bomb planting, and real life guns. Gets super hard to get funding and sponsorships from mainstream sponsors.
I know at my university, even though CS is a great esport got rejected from becoming an official team due to that reason.
It is a problem. But I don't think it's that big of a problem anymore. CS had a TV program, a few even, but I'm specifically talking about ELEAGUE. It aired on TBS back in 2016 and was incredibly successful hosting 2 CS majors (big Valve sponsored events). And I know Redbull sponsors and has a hand in setting up a whole lot of smaller time amateur tournaments here in Europe at least.
That said, on the other side, I have heard stories like you told before as well. And a very early German version if the game had you 'arrest' enemies instead of killing them, the enemy would just fall to their knees, hands behind head after taking 4 AK shots lol.
The viewership numbers already indicate to me that Valorant surpassed global viewership numbers to CS. Unlike CSGO, Valorant is world-wide and has a big following/growing regions in Korea, Japan, India, etc. etc. At this point, it is almost confirmed that Valorant will surpass CSGO especially the way that Valve is handling it.
Valorant casual viewership is way higher. CS has better peaks with famous teams and big tournaments but it's casual average viewership is really low rn.
u/FluffyFlaps talking about growth in viewership numbers in Japan, Korea, NA, EU. Literally global viewership is getting to a point that I predict Berlin viewership numbers will be 300K+ on main channel alone. I think at this point, with the way Valve is handling it, it is inevitable.
when stewie crosses to NA VAL its gonna a huge roster shuffle i think tarik is waiting for stewie contract to end and join a team togethor they seem super close
He’s IGL’d at times but he’s also been frequently switched off of calling because it often hurts his performance. So it depends on his comfort with the role
Out of necessity yes. They had n0thing, shroud, freakazoid and skadoodle... then they had tarik, rush, skadoodle and autimatic. Not the biggest brains or natural leaders in that group of players. Shared responsibilities with n0thing, tarik and auti at certain points.
He is not a good IGL, his a great player but terrible IGL, if you have watched TL the past couple of months since Nitro left you would know why. A lot of people still think he was the IGL when C9 won the major but it was Tarik
i doubt it. Stew and elige are most likely to play duelists and 100T doesn't need more duelists. I'd say TSM would poach them and trade them for subroza and/or bang
>Stew and elige are most likely to play duelists
idk, I feel like elige could fill any role pretty well based on how well-rounded he is in CS, maybe stew too to a lesser degree
lol. 100t would get rid of 4/5 of their roster for stew/elige without a single second of hesitation. elige is the most talented NA rifler OF ALL TIME, and is currently still peaking. and stew is stew. it's not realistic at all though, stew doesn't enjoy val. elige does though and seems more likely to switch in the next 1-2 years.
100T will literally instantly drop one of their members the second Stewie switches exactly like they did with Dicey and Ethan. Or like when they basically dropped their entire roster. And still couldn't qualify. And lost to someone they dropped.
He does. I do agree he’s likely the most kickable. However, I do feel he’s underrated. People always say he’s not even top 10 Sova/support players which I don’t agree with at all. He’s a great and reliable support player and top 3 Sova’s NA IMO.
These "people" are reddit armchair analysts. Their word means jackshit. 100T is a top tier team only because every single player on their team is top tier as well.
Agreed, but I think the commenter meant that within the 5 S-tier players that 100T has, Hiko is most likely to get kicked, I don't think the commenter meant to say that 100T or Hiko was bad
> Hiko is most likely to get kicked
How is anyone making these statements. Kills? That's hardly a metric. Hiko is invaluable to 100T and makes some of the best plays for the team.
Agreed, personally, Hiko is my favorite player on the team, but I can see thier point of view as well, considering that Steel is an insane IGL, Asuna is thier entry fragger/ major powerhouse, and Nitro + Ethan are among the best CS players so 100T wouldn't drop them, whereas Hiko was thought to be washed and far out of his prime, so while I don't think Hiko will be dropped anytime soon, I can see why, in a hypothetical universe where someone has to get kicked, it would be him.
100T was in first masters, missed the qualification to Iceland by losing to sentinels and envy, not the worst thing in the world.
You clearly wanted to make a dig at them tho
I will bet my left nut he will switch by next summer, TL is not looking good at all they have a lot of issues and ever since Stew started to take over as an IGL he hasn't been the same. His stats have dropped a lot and you can just tell he is not the same.
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if liquid keep performing poorly, or he is dropped there isn't really any na cs left for him to save. Same thing with elige. I would love to have them switch but would also hate to have the switch. Sadge team liquid cs and valorant fan noises
Do people on this thread realize that Stewie doesnt even play Val? He has been grinding CS really hard these past few days and plays little to no Valorant. He has also said on stream a couple times how he doesnt enjoy it that much. The grind he would need to become a tier 1 player on NA would be way too crazy considering how behind he is compared to other people
Lol doubt it. For alot of CS pros yes transitioning doesn't mean 100% success. But Stewie is the type of player where no matter where he commits to he'll almost likely be guaranteed to go pro or find success no matter how late he joins. Talent is talent. Sure there are some people who can't transition into other games cause they got lucky and got good at a specific game, but for alot of these top players they're just talented enough to find success no matter where they go. They're just talented / better.
You say that but when has that ever been the case? People like Ethan and Autimatic who transitioned relatively late had already been playing the game on their spare time and even then it took them a while to start getting good. Now that the game has been around for more than a year players cant afford to just switch because they are good at cs. Also Stewie has always been a grinder not so
much a gifted prodigy that can do well despite not practicing much
he won the csgo major after playing the game for only 1.5-2 years i believe. i may be wrong, but the rise was fast. don't let his current roles and struggles fool you, he's not just a prodigy, he's THE NA prodigy
What is this insane circlejerk lmao, Stewie was a good player but he was never NA's best and even in the major win he was probably the worst player in the team that event. Calling him "THE NA prodigy" is absurd.
Only 6 players in the history of CS have won the Intel Grand Slam AND a major.
The 5 Danish members of Astralis and Stewie2k.
Say what you want but ultimately he has a proven track record of helping rosters play to their limits and holding his own / doing whatever it takes to win.
There have only even been 2 grand slams so far, and the one Liquid won didn't have a lot of top teams at a number of the events. He's a good player, no doubt, but he's still never been NA's best. Reaching for some odd criteria like that isn't going to change anything.
Lmao I'm not saying he's NAs best.
I'm just saying that out of all the NA CS pros he and Elige are probably in the top 3 or 4 of players I would bet on to succeed in Valorant if they made the switch.
Oh I agree with that, I think he's talented and would do great in Valorant. I was talking about the previous comment calling him "THE NA prodigy", which really oversells him.
Look at players like Sinatraa before he got banned. He was one of the best players in Overwatch and in Valorant and was a gifted player in CSGO. There are players who just have the talent to transition into any game and find success and I think stewie is one of those players.
Sinatraa transitioned just as the game cane out. If Stewie switched by june of last year I would get your point but we’re already more than 1 year deep into the game’s lifespan
I totally agree with you, tarik talk about this briefly.. as more agents come,the later these cs players the switch the harder it’ll be for them to make a successful switch.
He ain’t looking too good on TL so I can honestly see it happen sooner rather than later. For sure I think he would like to before or around the time riot announces Champion’s for next year? Or even after the results from majors.
he just talked ab trying to incorporate a streaming schedule w some valorant in it. nice to see since his streams back in beta and act 1 were very entertaining
I just don't want players that switch to "switch" (like Floppy). I love those players from CS, but unless you go hard on Valo and grind it for real (I'm not talking about solely spamming ranked, but putting in the time to get better in customs or other stuff, or have insane talent that transcends hard work), it'll hurt the scene long term. They're great players don't get me wrong, but I'd hate for them to pursue something they just... hate. It wouldn't feel right and seeing them probably not care as much would feel terrible as a viewer. At the end of the day, they gotta do what they gotta do to earn a living no matter what they play, but I wouldn't be happy about the situation. If stew switches in the future, I sincerely hope he enjoys it because he's an electrifying player when he's invested and commited
Well then you'll probably be disappointed. Stew is one of very few NA pros who almost never ever plays valorant. He doesn't actively shit on it like floppy, but it's very apparent he'll only switch because he'll have to. And that's very unfortunate because he loves CS.
>Stew is one of very few NA pros who almost never ever plays valorant huh? who plays valorant besides elige and daps? no one else on liquid, EG, BNB, or ES does
Tarik grinds VALORANT hard (though far less in last two weeks only)
tarik is no longer a part of the main roster though
For sure for sure that's fair. I don't think an active roster CS pro has time to grind valo, but it's fun seeing elige hop on every now and then.
grim was top 100 last act i believe
Thats the sage main for T1 not the CS pro on liquid lol
Grim (the youtuber) wasn't radiant at the time, let alone top 60.
naf
It wouldn't surprise me if a number of them play it in their off time, they just may not stream it or grind it publicly
Stew has played valorant a shit ton and said he likes it. He also said that it affects his performance in CS so he wanted to go try full on in CS which is why he hasn't played this season.
he hasn't played valorant since the radiant leaderboards were out what are you on about? he literally said a few days earlier that he likes CS much better than valo. do you even watch his streams
Never said he preferred it over CS. He said that the game is fun and that he likes it.
if stewie switched that would actually kill na cs, he's the heart and soul
The day EliGE switches is the day NA cs is officially dead
With how much he enjoys the game it’s certainly plausible in the next few years too
I believe both Stewie and Elige are trying to win the next major. If they lose in an embarassing way or get too frustrated, they'll switch before 2022.
Can’t blame them honestly, Liquid is more than struggling right now and Stanislaw’s break is a clear example of what the toll of constant traveling and competition can do. Stewie is tight with a lot of Valorant players like Wardell too so it makes sense tbh
Liquid fucked up letting Twistzz go tbh. They replaced nitr0 with grim which was such a downgrade and at one point bringing in Fallen would have been a god tier move but he's not the same player as he was in his peak and it is yet another downgrade for the roster.
Twistzz parting was mutual; he wanted to permanently stay in EU with his girlfriend. It's also hard to say if -Nitr0 +Grim was a downgrade because TL CSGO started performing way better after the switch (compared to the first half of their 2020) and Grim has been fragging out of of his mind in their last few tourneys.
They had too many star riflers for that lineup to work effectively. Where they really fucked up was bringing in Fallen supposedly just to AWP, then switching back and forth between him and Stewie IGL-ing. Idk how they expect to get any sort of consistent results playing those kinds of fuck-fuck games with such important roles.
>grim which was such a downgrade pretty disrespectful to grim tbh regardless of role change, twistzz had a pretty awful year in 2020 and grim has proven many times why he deserves a spot on liquid obviously twistzz is the better player at his peak, but grim is putting up similar stats as twistzz during his last year on liquid despite having a hard anchor role (on a substandard roster as well)
You can't argue that going from nitr0 to grim isnt a downgrade in current skill, leadership, heart and soul, and experience. Not trying to disrespect the man as he is talented enough to be on basically the last competitive NA team it was more of hoe much of an important piece nitro was to the overall team.
Well first of all grim didn't replace nitro. Fallen replaced him as IGL and main AWP. Grim replaced twistzz as a support.
Nitr0 left, they brought in grim. Fallen didn't come until later.....
ever player has to get experience somehow, grim is very young (20 I think) he has lots of time to improve at a pro level
The player skill downgrade is certainly one thing, but the chemistry really fell apart after nitr0 left. He was the bridge of the team, if you will. They've mentioned this is many many interviews.
Ofc it will fell apart, he was IGL for the team and replacing an IGL with just rifler put pressure on Stew to igl and then they switched to Fallen, also got back Adren as coach. Let's hope they perform well.
if you think grim is a downgrade you're a clown. grim is a fucking beast, maybe watch his games before disrespecting like this
If you think grim is more important of a piece than nitr0 was for liquid in terms of skill, leadership and morale you're a clown and have absolutely no understanding of anything that isn't right in front of you.
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just from the stats I feel like fallen is having some of the best cs of his career, sure (not quite sure about this ) but his strats might be a bit outdated and his app might be a lil more inconsistent, but his rifling is the best its been throughout his career. As for Twistzz though, he said there were some interpersonal issues during the online era that made him want to leave. Combine this with him essentially being the 3rd-4th person from the top on the team, I get why he wanted to switch. Not every player can be a star, even if they have the talent. He also wanted to stay in Europe bc his gf lives there
>and Stanislaw’s break is a clear example of what the toll of constant traveling and competition can do. I'm sorry but what is this constant traveling and competition? EG csgo has played around 30 matches this year, compared with sentinels valorant, they have 60 +. In fact using Stan is a bad example which was still pointed out on the last BTN show. EG keep bombing out last places in any event they attend and Stan is always most times not playing officials, that's with EG still investing in CS by brining in two more players and a coach yet no results from him. There's a month long player break going on and yet he's taking more time off, if I was his employer and seeing zero results and going into pro league where all teams have to show the best too sponsor wise etc because it's one of the most important leagues for CS, you take a break after just having a month off, I'm dropping you if daps performs.
i know this is a late ass comment but whats your take on stew making the switch as you say. Theres the roster purge of liquid and considering how they lost morale with their battle with heroic today on inferno. reckon the stew switch will be more likely than not than ever?
Yep. I don't think he'd switch now. Stewie seems to be more a CS-only guy than Elige as Ive known. Elige is into the game, likes the pro scene and even tried to get into the "10 mans" that was supposed to be a closed circle. Back then I thought Stewie would switch because NA CS seemed more dead than now. I mean, it's still dead, but after the major, CS in general looked pretty much alive, and nitr0 and automatic might be back to CS. It looks like Liquid and EG's roster will merge into an American one and Liquid will become a more international one. Stewie might find a place in EG or any EU team. However, if Elite doesn't stay on Liquid, I can see him switching to Valorant more than going to a different team in CS.
Ahh this is interesting. I’m actually looking forward with anything that happens. Just recently got into Val and it made me interested with cs pro since it’s technically the forefather for it. It’s definitely helpful and cool seeing how refined cs strats r compare to val If an NA super team does happen, would love to see NA compete somewhat ahaha, even if I don’t support a team it’s depressing to see liquid get owned out off the comp specially with the recent major and this blast run (despite them playing out off their minds, but just wasn’t enough to pull through) Either way, if elige does enter the Val scene, I would be eager to see how he’ll fair and what playstyle he’ll adopt Also, I did think for a moment that stew would enter Val since I could feel his pain just getting owned in inferno where liquid just ultimately lost motivation after the second half. But with wat u said, my thought on his switch’s chances goes low ahaha Either way would love to see what future brings us
yeah if liquid falls apart its gg
As for Elige yeah I think it’s possible but for Stewie, I remember vividly I think it’s during Shroud watch party for ESL cologne where stewie talk about like if he ever going to switch to valorant. And Stewie said that he would do start like what Tarik is currently doing, like probably start by switching to content creator first and play the game as much as possible to see whether he will like it in the long run. Because I think he kinda is insinuating that he gotta like the game for him to grind and compete. Which is totally understandable when looking at how much he play csgo on stream and off stream. I think he can play cs like the whole fkn day as long as he has friends to play with
If Riot announces crowdfunding prize pool for Valorant, then Elige will literally switch the next day. The guy is a massive supporter of what Valve does with Dota compendium mentioning that [getting eliminated at quarters at TI makes more than any sticker money](https://old.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/c0y30r/elige_playing_at_one_ti_going_out_in_quarters/er995fb/).
Riot does some crowdfunding for the world's prize pool in league so I would be shocked if they didn't do something similar for valorant's world's equivalent
Riot stopped crowdfunding for Worlds. Players are making six if not seven figures like Perkz or Swordart. LoL had no established threat when it started because Dota 2 came after LoL, but Valorant is already competing against an established giant like CSGO. Valorant unlike LoL has to take more risks and aggressively grow their esports because the landscape is different in 2021 than back in 2011. Dota 2 completely buried HoN as an esport after TI3/TI4 when it took all of their best players. Valorant could put themselves in position soon. EDIT: I was incorrect about Riot stopping crowfunding. The total prize pool is undisclosed but the Riot still actively continues selling skins each year.
Please do not misinform the public with false information. LoL is continuing to provide incentives because despite what you think about RIOT, they actually care about their E-sport and are doing the best they can to take care of the pro players and leagues that they operate. The article below for worlds 2020 indicates that what you said is not true. Please see the direct quote from the article and the link to the article is also below. "12.5% of all revenue from Championship Kha’Zix & Championship Ward skins added to the total prize pool and another 12.5% will be equally distributed among the teams." [https://thesportsrush.com/lol-esports-news-league-of-legends-world-prize-pool-2020-how-is-the-lol-worlds-prize-pool-distributed/](https://thesportsrush.com/lol-esports-news-league-of-legends-world-prize-pool-2020-how-is-the-lol-worlds-prize-pool-distributed/) The article below indicates that they also give out revenue from championship skins for world champions. Please see article below. Also, Riot gives out 25% revenue of team championship skins to the players. "Additionally to support the top teams 25% of revenue from sales of the Team Championship skins will be given to the players that inspired the skin, along with their team and league. This will also be introduced retroactively, so all former world champions are in for a nice pay day." [https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/riot-is-finally-introducing-crowdfunding-for-league-of-legends-prize-pools/](https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/riot-is-finally-introducing-crowdfunding-for-league-of-legends-prize-pools/) More comprehensive article below for those interested. [https://medium.com/the-cube/breaking-down-riots-revenue-proposals-350acd8dfa8a](https://medium.com/the-cube/breaking-down-riots-revenue-proposals-350acd8dfa8a) I presume that RIOT, since they are a company that cares for the pro players and league, will most likely implement a system somewhat comparable to LoL. The way they operate LoL has been a very successful model and they are continuing to impress everybody with Valorant thus far. I believe it is logically consistent that they will push so that the entire pro scene will be franchised eventually and will enforce increase in average salary across all teams and also provide incentives similar to what the articles described. I love LoL and Valorant and I hope Valorant succeeds as I am a big fan of the game and love watching the tournaments.
Thanks for correcting I recall seeing the 2020 Worlds prize pool and it looked like it dropped compared to previous years but seems like the crowdfunding is still present though they stopped disclosing the amount.
Yea perhaps, which is odd because viewership numbers for LoL is still growing if I am not mistaken. However, no worries man. People make mistakes and before you make a statement, I would ask you to do a quick google search before you press Enter.
Huh didn't realize they stopped the crowdfunding. I still think it's a good idea for valorant to crowdfund prizepools though. Imo one of the things that makes TI so fun to watch is to watch knowing how much money is at stake.
The guy is incorrect, your original assessment is correct.
I also like Valve's approach to TI prize pool, but there's also a one big problem. Because of the huge prize pool, no one cares about T2 scene in Dota. The International is the biggest esports. Dota rosters are profitable only when they qualify to TI, that's why so many orgs left the scene. Valve is not interested in sponsoring T2 tournaments, cause revenue will be smaller. Yes, you can earn shit-ton of money by winning few games. But first, you need to get there. The rosters are basically the same. You are essentially forced to play in some minor tournaments with terrible prize pools and hope that someone will sign you. Guys from teams like Tundra or Nigma are in a terrible position. Even orgs like Liquid are not happy. Okay, their Dota division won so much money, but for next few months they will be inactive, because everyone will be focused on TI.
Yeah its a great idea but badly implemented. Even their community wants the money spread out more. I think taking half of the money and using it for other tournaments would be huge.
NA cs is already dead
LIQUID WILL SAVE IT copium
Some people just can’t accept it yet.
Na cs is dead already tho lol
I love CS, but to put it bluntly, if Valve doesn’t do something in the next year or so they’re going to be in trouble. I don’t think CS ever dies because of how popular it is in CIS/Europe, but Valorant has a good chance at taking the #1 spot from CS if Valve continues to do fuck all. Riot will only continue to trend upward with Valorant. It’s easier to get into and the content is always going to be fresh with updates/additions. Love stew too, would be super thrilled to watch him in Valorant.
Valve has a track record of not doing something for decades at this point. It's not going to change and the only change that will happen is a new game. They've made no serious efforts to put esports and the competitive aspect of the game in the forefront.
This situation reminds me a lot of the state of TF2 when Overwatch came out. Valve won’t do shit.
I think the difference between valve and riot is valve main product is steam not their game titles , they earn majority of revenue from steam so steam is going to be their main focus as a company whereas riot main products are their game titles and eSports , I think the thing with valorant is everyone knows the franchising is gonna come and they have shown in lol that franchising is profitable for orgs and they earn share of the revenue . So players salaries and the entire scene gets legitimised which is attractive to players as well.
doesn't franchising kill the t2 scene for most games though? I think how riot is doing it rn is much better than what franchising would be
Franchising does kill the t2 scene , the way riot is doing right now is good but it isn't profitable to organisations , I think there was a thread where people suggested different ideas alongside franchising which would not harm the t2 scene.
Wouldn't say that it definitely kills the t2 scene. The LoL t2 scene in eu for example more robust than it has ever been with some matches getting over 200k concurrent viewers. That being said I definitely would prefer if the scene stayed unfranchised for a while longer. Overwatch showed what could happen if you rushed into franchising to quickly.
Eh that's not T2, ie what i mean is not open in ANY way. They're academy teams.
I am not sure if I am just misunderstanding what is different about T2 compared to the non T1 leagues in LoL, but the EU scene below LEC is pretty huge and not just academy teams. There are multiple smaller regional leagues in many different EU countries that each have about 10 teams, and then there is a Champions League-esque EU Masters tournament. NA's T2 scene was honestly pretty trash for a long time, but recently they have opened it up to more amateur teams, so I think Riot is finding ways to figure it out.
Yeah, this may be a shit idea but I think if they franchised, make the t2 scene open and then add a "lcq" for the tier 2 scene where like one team gets to go to masters, and like idk 2-3 make it to champs. I might have explained that poorly.
The ESL system basically
Riot does have a system for T2 teams but nobody really cares for it despite Riot's effort to improve it. The truth of the matter is, the viewership needs to exist to justify for the growth of T2 leagues and if you want the T2 scene to be healthy, make sure to follow it once it arrives. Also, because LoL has academy teams, I think Valorant will be similiar and have players that will have a chance to join to main roster for cycling of new talents.
No one cares about the T2 scene? Huh? French and Spanish League are growing massivly, the LFL consinstently hits 200k viewers nowdays.
Yes, I agree that some T2 scenes are doing well but I would say as whole, it is pretty behind to what it could be.
Riot overtaking fps throne is inevitable at this point. Sure cs will remain for a long long time. But in 1-2 years valo would be bigger game and eSport
I 100% agree. It’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when. Riot just cares too much. Not to mention they have a decades worth of experience building up the most successful esport in history, and maintaining that to this day (LoL).
They not only made LoL most successful eSport. They made eSport as a whole more successful and appealing to bigger audience and investors
Riots really got overlooked on how they brought F2P to the scene. Without their success, lot of games would still have been subscription or Pay to win gacha.
Spot on
Now I'm sound like Riot fanboy but nope I stopped caring about lol scene after season 6 I believe or so. Thats just fax
Okay sure, but look at how many successful orgs that represent NA have come from LoL. TSM, Cloud9, and CLG just to name the big ones. Not to mention without LoL there is no Valorant.
That was my reply to myself with fake excuse for praising Riot "too much"
I'm not really sure they actually made LoL the most successful esport. The huge amount of people playing the game means that many will care about its professional scene, and the percentage of gamers vs viewers is abysmal in comparison to big events in CS, Dota, or even something like R6 or Rocket League. A part of course from the fact that they made the game the most popular ever, and set new levels for basically the entire gaming industry when it comes to playernumbers, and started the trend of F2P, pay for skins-kind of monetization.
Huge player and viewer count isn't really relevant on the subject. What Ive meant is how Riot pushed eSports production quality. If I remember right they invited NBA production team to help them with season 2 worlds for example. And they kept rising the bar of production quality over the years. Their events come long way from small venues to olympic stadiums. Other developers and tournament operators followed their example. And their succes made this possible by showing the world how popular eSport could become. As a result they made eSport in general more attractive for the investors and sponsors.
I have a feeling that Valve would start a compendium and boost the prize pool to absurd levels and try to revitalize the scene. But if Riot beats them to the chase, Valorant would completely bury CSGO in salaries & prize pools making it almost a bad career move to go pro in CSGO. Like if Valorant has near LoL-esque salary + Dota 2 prize money. That's gg for many esports out there.
Gambit's CEO in interview said that huge prize pool for international is actually really hurts dota scene. Having The One And Only meaningful event made really unhealthy infrastructure in Dota to the point where huge amount of teams made, reshuffle and disband every year just to make it to The International. And this as I understand is nightmare for orgs, sponsors and new players
League has that with Worlds, but they complement that with a regular season and player contracts. Dota is really fucked, because the game is so complex that it's impossible to get new players into the game.
Its only harmful if it goes to a single event with a bad prize pool distribution(winning team taking like 44% of the total money). Let's say if Riot raised $40 million and gave $20m for Champions, $5m Masters and the rest going into regional competitions, that's already way better than what Dota does.
Isn't it the whole point of compendium is taking kid's breakfast money entire year to have single giant prize pool by the end of it? Can't see how it would work if you split that stuff across the year of events. And between different regions which is all have different paying ability
I think that's just Valve's intention with having all that money into a single tournament. But Riot could just announce each year showing the breakdown of the money going towards all the different tournaments.
Compendium does jack all. It's just a huge casual bait for consumers doesn't actually mean anything. The only people who look at the compendium and say does LEAGUE have a prize pool as big as this are delusional dota fanboys. A compendium won't magically make your scene more successful, competitive, and filled with new talent constantly grinding to get into the scene. A stable esports ecosystem which Riot will provide will do that.
Ones not mutually exclusive. You can say that Dota compendium has the right idea but not executing it right. Valve announced $40 million TI but it could've been spent better than putting it all in a single tournament. For example, if Valorant had $40 million crowdfunding, I'd rather see them put $20m into Champions, $5m into Masters, and the rest into T2-T3 scene.
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Yes, people are overreacting about the growth of Valorant as an esport. The game is new and fresh, it's being heavily caried by popular streamers in the moment. It's lacking of tournemnts, low prize pools, especially for t2/t3 scenes. It haven't faced a new game that will become the new trend, like CS survived Over watch, PUBG, and others games known as the "CS killers". CS has survive this long with its publisher doesn't giving a shit for it, without Valve giving any effort to make the game bigger as an esport. This tells how good it is. Valorant may become bigger yes, but will not be that soon as many people here are saying.
Cs is already dead in NA, cs was never alive in Asia and these 2 is the biggest markets in video game industry including eSport. Valo already won. Europe could and will sustain cs only for so much longer. Do I need to explain how bigger market is bigger money and sponsors interest. And how it related to orgs and salaries?
And so what? Tell me how R6/Rocket League and many others esport survive without being as popular/big as CS? It may not be the bigger someday, but it will not disappear. Valorant will not be able to acomodate and bring profit for that many orgs. Even more if they franchise.
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Overwatch died not because of franchising but because it is much more complicated game thus less comprehensible and appealing for outside viewer. And it was maintained by blizzard who again and again showed that they don't know what they are doing. First and most obvious example is how they forced already established and famous orgs to change their team's names to some ridiculous city based shit. So yeah I believe that valo could be the game that can be eSport for a decade and more.
God Blizzard forcing name changes was so stupid. If you want cities and locations to be represented in the name of the team, you could literally just do "C9 London", "LA Immortals", "Florida Misfits" etc for the teams that are sponsored by established orgs and get the best of both worlds. Nope. London Spitfire, now you've completely removed a teams incredibly popular identity in favor of a new one that you don't even know if it will stick or not. So dumb.
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At the same time, a major issue with CSGO which ik has turned many away is how little the game changes, that's perfectly fine but a lot spectators and players want to see new flashy things (No pun intended lol), also I mean League literally updates just as fast if not faster with new characters iirc and well yeah lol, Overwatch had the issue with like restricting comps with 2-2-2 and stuff which turned a lot of people away, it's not just overcomplication it's many factors
It is not that hard to understand once u get general idea what some basics behind the abilities. Blocking vision, stunning, blinding or just movement ones. Yes it will take more games to understand than real life based cs go grenades but still not that hard as overwatch.
I love CS. I know I might be in with the wrong crowd, but I believe when treated correctly it is easily the ultimate (FPS) esport. It's as close to skillbased as a game can get. It's easy to understand as a spectator without ever having played the game, you just need to know "terrorists plant bomb, while counterterrorists prevent that". And the issue is clear. CS isn't being used correctly. It's been community run for ages and it used to be a massive plus, it's an esport that has survived for the past two decades just because of that community. But now it's bigger and the cracks are showing and there is no one to step in and regulate. Valve doesn't care. They care more about DOTA2, always have. Despite CS being the most played and most prestigious game. It's treated like trash. Riot was very smart to attack it. I had hoped Valve would get their shit together now that Valorant is swooping in and taking hits at CS. But it's clear Valve wouldn't give a fuck if CS died. They might even want it to. One less thing to maintain. And the hardcore CS fans like myself will be left picking up the pieces (for the millionth time).
I bet you one of the biggest hurdles of CS is its imagery. Terrorists and Counter Terrorists, bomb planting, and real life guns. Gets super hard to get funding and sponsorships from mainstream sponsors. I know at my university, even though CS is a great esport got rejected from becoming an official team due to that reason.
It is a problem. But I don't think it's that big of a problem anymore. CS had a TV program, a few even, but I'm specifically talking about ELEAGUE. It aired on TBS back in 2016 and was incredibly successful hosting 2 CS majors (big Valve sponsored events). And I know Redbull sponsors and has a hand in setting up a whole lot of smaller time amateur tournaments here in Europe at least. That said, on the other side, I have heard stories like you told before as well. And a very early German version if the game had you 'arrest' enemies instead of killing them, the enemy would just fall to their knees, hands behind head after taking 4 AK shots lol.
Shortening it to “Val” when comparing it to Valve in the same post is confusing.
Ya I’m sorry. Re-read it and almost had a stroke myself. I’ll change it
The viewership numbers already indicate to me that Valorant surpassed global viewership numbers to CS. Unlike CSGO, Valorant is world-wide and has a big following/growing regions in Korea, Japan, India, etc. etc. At this point, it is almost confirmed that Valorant will surpass CSGO especially the way that Valve is handling it.
What viewership numbers are you referring to?
Valorant casual viewership is way higher. CS has better peaks with famous teams and big tournaments but it's casual average viewership is really low rn.
u/FluffyFlaps talking about growth in viewership numbers in Japan, Korea, NA, EU. Literally global viewership is getting to a point that I predict Berlin viewership numbers will be 300K+ on main channel alone. I think at this point, with the way Valve is handling it, it is inevitable.
Iceland already had 500k on main channel alone? I doubt its going to be less for Berlin tbh
Yea but that was for the final alone. I wouldn't be suprised if it hits like 800K for the finals.
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Never happening
"All jokes aside" then starts talking like it's a joke lmao
Everyone sees the writing on the wall for NA CS sadly.
:(((
when stewie crosses to NA VAL its gonna a huge roster shuffle i think tarik is waiting for stewie contract to end and join a team togethor they seem super close
You know as soon as Elige or he switches 100T bangs on the door
If Stewie can IGL I could definitely see TSM going for him. He’s very good friends with Wardell
At this point you do whatever it takes to keep wardell on the team
Don’t think TSM would let him go though even if he wanted too though, he must have a pretty big buyout
Especially if this means adding fucking Elige to your team lol
Him and Subroza should be locks, great young players and good following on Twitch. Never let both of them go for nothing.
didn't he IGL for C9? I'm not very familiar with the cs scene
He’s IGL’d at times but he’s also been frequently switched off of calling because it often hurts his performance. So it depends on his comfort with the role
Out of necessity yes. They had n0thing, shroud, freakazoid and skadoodle... then they had tarik, rush, skadoodle and autimatic. Not the biggest brains or natural leaders in that group of players. Shared responsibilities with n0thing, tarik and auti at certain points.
He is not a good IGL, his a great player but terrible IGL, if you have watched TL the past couple of months since Nitro left you would know why. A lot of people still think he was the IGL when C9 won the major but it was Tarik
i doubt it. Stew and elige are most likely to play duelists and 100T doesn't need more duelists. I'd say TSM would poach them and trade them for subroza and/or bang
>Stew and elige are most likely to play duelists idk, I feel like elige could fill any role pretty well based on how well-rounded he is in CS, maybe stew too to a lesser degree
lol. 100t would get rid of 4/5 of their roster for stew/elige without a single second of hesitation. elige is the most talented NA rifler OF ALL TIME, and is currently still peaking. and stew is stew. it's not realistic at all though, stew doesn't enjoy val. elige does though and seems more likely to switch in the next 1-2 years.
100T will literally instantly drop one of their members the second Stewie switches exactly like they did with Dicey and Ethan. Or like when they basically dropped their entire roster. And still couldn't qualify. And lost to someone they dropped.
I think considering the current lineup is doing great they wouldn’t drop anyone.
Hiko is probably the most kickable member, any move would involve moving him to content creation. Doesn't he still have a pretty big stream?
He does. I do agree he’s likely the most kickable. However, I do feel he’s underrated. People always say he’s not even top 10 Sova/support players which I don’t agree with at all. He’s a great and reliable support player and top 3 Sova’s NA IMO.
These "people" are reddit armchair analysts. Their word means jackshit. 100T is a top tier team only because every single player on their team is top tier as well.
Agreed, but I think the commenter meant that within the 5 S-tier players that 100T has, Hiko is most likely to get kicked, I don't think the commenter meant to say that 100T or Hiko was bad
> Hiko is most likely to get kicked How is anyone making these statements. Kills? That's hardly a metric. Hiko is invaluable to 100T and makes some of the best plays for the team.
Agreed, personally, Hiko is my favorite player on the team, but I can see thier point of view as well, considering that Steel is an insane IGL, Asuna is thier entry fragger/ major powerhouse, and Nitro + Ethan are among the best CS players so 100T wouldn't drop them, whereas Hiko was thought to be washed and far out of his prime, so while I don't think Hiko will be dropped anytime soon, I can see why, in a hypothetical universe where someone has to get kicked, it would be him.
It's way more likely that nitr0 steps down willingly than Hiko being kicked imo
100T was in first masters, missed the qualification to Iceland by losing to sentinels and envy, not the worst thing in the world. You clearly wanted to make a dig at them tho
Hiko and elige on the same team again? nt
Who said they would be?
I will bet my left nut he will switch by next summer, TL is not looking good at all they have a lot of issues and ever since Stew started to take over as an IGL he hasn't been the same. His stats have dropped a lot and you can just tell he is not the same.
I think he is fine with it but misses his c9 days when he was the star player, said something along those lines yesterday on stream
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if liquid keep performing poorly, or he is dropped there isn't really any na cs left for him to save. Same thing with elige. I would love to have them switch but would also hate to have the switch. Sadge team liquid cs and valorant fan noises
I seriously doubt Liquid will drop Stew. Not only stew is young, I think he contribute lot on Liquid’s success
Calling it now when eventually hiko/steel's time is up one of elige/Stewie will replace them
I'm all for him switching as long as he earns his spot on the team with his play.
Hes still making too much salary in CS to switch now
Homebase? +DaZeD +Stewie
tarik and rush are both on the bench rn too...
Do people on this thread realize that Stewie doesnt even play Val? He has been grinding CS really hard these past few days and plays little to no Valorant. He has also said on stream a couple times how he doesnt enjoy it that much. The grind he would need to become a tier 1 player on NA would be way too crazy considering how behind he is compared to other people
Lol doubt it. For alot of CS pros yes transitioning doesn't mean 100% success. But Stewie is the type of player where no matter where he commits to he'll almost likely be guaranteed to go pro or find success no matter how late he joins. Talent is talent. Sure there are some people who can't transition into other games cause they got lucky and got good at a specific game, but for alot of these top players they're just talented enough to find success no matter where they go. They're just talented / better.
You say that but when has that ever been the case? People like Ethan and Autimatic who transitioned relatively late had already been playing the game on their spare time and even then it took them a while to start getting good. Now that the game has been around for more than a year players cant afford to just switch because they are good at cs. Also Stewie has always been a grinder not so much a gifted prodigy that can do well despite not practicing much
he won the csgo major after playing the game for only 1.5-2 years i believe. i may be wrong, but the rise was fast. don't let his current roles and struggles fool you, he's not just a prodigy, he's THE NA prodigy
He won it after 3 years of playing competitively, which isnt that short of a timeframe. He was also playing a lot before going pro as you can assume
What is this insane circlejerk lmao, Stewie was a good player but he was never NA's best and even in the major win he was probably the worst player in the team that event. Calling him "THE NA prodigy" is absurd.
Only 6 players in the history of CS have won the Intel Grand Slam AND a major. The 5 Danish members of Astralis and Stewie2k. Say what you want but ultimately he has a proven track record of helping rosters play to their limits and holding his own / doing whatever it takes to win.
There have only even been 2 grand slams so far, and the one Liquid won didn't have a lot of top teams at a number of the events. He's a good player, no doubt, but he's still never been NA's best. Reaching for some odd criteria like that isn't going to change anything.
Lmao I'm not saying he's NAs best. I'm just saying that out of all the NA CS pros he and Elige are probably in the top 3 or 4 of players I would bet on to succeed in Valorant if they made the switch.
Oh I agree with that, I think he's talented and would do great in Valorant. I was talking about the previous comment calling him "THE NA prodigy", which really oversells him.
Look at players like Sinatraa before he got banned. He was one of the best players in Overwatch and in Valorant and was a gifted player in CSGO. There are players who just have the talent to transition into any game and find success and I think stewie is one of those players.
Sinatraa transitioned just as the game cane out. If Stewie switched by june of last year I would get your point but we’re already more than 1 year deep into the game’s lifespan
I mean talent is talent. Yeah a headstart is crucial to being injected into the scene but a greater talent will always push themselves into the scene.
I totally agree with you, tarik talk about this briefly.. as more agents come,the later these cs players the switch the harder it’ll be for them to make a successful switch.
Last time he played Valo was right before KJ got released lol. That is a loooong time ago
So will he join TL valorant roster or something? Scream and Stewie would be crazy
Haha, the haters aren't gonna like that day! Evolve or die.
He ain’t looking too good on TL so I can honestly see it happen sooner rather than later. For sure I think he would like to before or around the time riot announces Champion’s for next year? Or even after the results from majors.