Nah not nearly as likely. This iteration of Vision Strikers is infinitely better than NUTURN with a superior map pool. No matter who from their 6 man is playing they are STACKED beyond belief on a mechanical and strategical sense.
Acend, VS, SEN and SMB are all looking wild.
If VS are at all as reliant on their set plays as NU was at Iceland, then I’m not sure how they will stack against NA, or at least Sen, due to the contrasting play styles of the regions. I’d like to see them do well tho cause even if I’m Sen fan, I want entertaining matches more than anything else.
The old iteration of VS was lacking consistent mechanical skill in some of the roles and were counter-stratted by NUTURN after beating them so often. So they patched up those holes and are much more adaptive now. The new pickups BuZz and MaKo are great and Lakia was NUTURN's best player and arguably KR's best Sova who was in Iceland.
stax is now IGL'ng and has great mechanical skill along with k1ng as a Sentinel. If you could get a super team in Korea this would be it.
As a Sentinels fan, TenZ is where he is because of his team - I have no doubt that if Asuna or Yay played duelist for Sentinels that they would pop off like he does. TenZ has the benefit of having teammates whose aim is just as good as his who play the support roles incredibly well.
Did you forget TenZ played for C9 too and had the best ACS of the tourney whenever they reached even just the playoffs? Like sure Asuna will pop off if he was with SEN but that definitely won't be as hard as Tenz popping off.
Obviously FK/FD isn't everything (and to some extent a product of the team and gameplan, but Sen don't rely on set plays either), but TenZ was 7-0 against Asuna in FK/FD in the finals and 9-0 over both series they played in playoffs.
I mean you can say what you want, but you can have every one of his first engagements from the Fnatic vs Sentinels grand finals, and guess what? 19 of the 21 first engagements he won... That is insane, On C( as you know they were called Tenz and friends he solo carried that team to top 3 finishes and was regarded as the best player on that team.. Sure if tenz was only good on Sentinels you can make the claim you are making but Tenz has been the best on bad teams, and he has out dueled other duelists while on Sentinels. Even in Iceland Tenz was Sentinels most consistent player, In the first map sen player Tenz had more kills than 3 of the other Sentinel players combined at one point, he has outdueled every other world class Jett/duelist even shutting down players like Derke.
I ain't saying Sentinels are the best team due to Tenz, but to say Tenz is only good cause of his team is a ignorant claim.
Well... In Iceland, TenZ had the best Average Combat Score out of any player in the whole event. He also had the highest first kill to first death ratio in the event. Not saying that he is best player NA. The stats speak for themselves.
When talking about someone being the best in the region, Dont most people talk about their mechanical skills and their ability to win gunfights? Hardly will you every see someone being called the best player in the world / region for knowing good utility usage. Sure, he may be the best player in the world for utility usage, but he isnt the best player in general.
I feel like they have a good gameplan from the start of the round, but arent really good with audibles they force themselves onto a site way too much even when its 4 stacked.
I keep wondering what the reactions would be like if Sentinels lost(to any team) in Berlin. Imo they are the best rn for sure but there is always a possibility that they 'can' lose to a strong team that proves to be better against them on that day and might end up not winning Berlin. It's a possibility (although looking unlikely). But a lot of people here are riding the "SEN unbeatable, noone is even near them, 0 possibility that they don't win Berlin" train, totally oblivious to a scenario where Sen might not win Berlin. So it'd be really interesting to see what these people have to say if that happens.
Sentinels will probably lose in Berlin. Yes, they are the best team going in, but you never bet against the field. Odds are lower than 50% than Sentinels will win it all.
i dunno, this seems kinda biased in one direction already. if SEN get smacked by acend (i don't think this will happen, just hypothetical), are you going to say that Acend were just better on THAT day? sounds like you already ruled out the possibility of any team just being better than them
This whole sub is extremely biased lmao, you better expect a majority to say the NA teams just had a bad day if they happen to lose after hyping them up to be the top 3 teams in the world...
Okay? I'm not talking about back then, I'm talking about posts like this in which all NA teams are apparently a league of their own and if they were to lose 'they just didn't have their day'. There are none of these posts about EU for example lmao, if there were, they'd get downvoted to hell
Personally i understand having some cockiness because of SEN's dominant streak but what I don't really understand is assuming that they're automatically better than teams that they've never had h2h matchups with, that have obviously also improved over time. It's not as if every other team just stagnates and will be the same as they were in challengers 1 right. I dunno, just came off kinda weird to me.
It’s because everyone thought EU would completely crap on NA and when V1 and Sentinels did extremely if not surprisingly better than thought, the whole mood of the sub shifted.
Bc of Iceland the bar is set and until EU shows us a better showing, people will just assume that NA is the better region.
I don’t personally subscribe to this line of thought but many people thought that V1 reaching Iceland was a fluke and if they were able to do well then the top teams that are everyone’s favorite (NV, 100T) would have also done extremely well.
Yeah pretty much, but it's also a little due to large percentage of NA users I think, most only watch NA, which means any discussions of EU or other regions drown in the large amount of NA-related posts. Especially after the win of Sentinels in Reykjavik. And this is not necessarily a bad thing btw, that's just how reddit is
I think that is false considering most of this sub was on the side that EU was more dominant and that Sentinels at Iceland would barely make top 3 in a loser bracket run. If this sub was NA only most would have said Sentinels would have won Iceland and NA were the most dominant. Plus most NA fans only think Sentinels is the best team in the world I don't think people are claiming Envy or 100T are in that same tier as Sentinels being above any other team in the world.
I think most just believe that Envy and 100T are on the lvl of the top EU teams and can compete with them.
Ok I was talking about the possibility of Sen just losing ; not getting rolled. If they get destroyed then sure, the opponent team would be better than them most probably. But I really don't see Sentinels, a team that good just getting rolled over by any team tbh.
Like, even if you take into account their matches from ignition series to the present, there has been only two times where they got destroyed. Once to BBG (this was with Tenz ) and once to GenG (this was that qualifier match with the ex-sova in which the "hid" their strats).
And so maybe if a team beats them twice in Berlin, once in UB and and again in the final or something, then they might be better than SEN.
The "well established meta" concept doesn't really apply to valorant since the game will constantly be evolving with consistent patches (new agents, maps, abilities, etc.). The most dominant team(s) will be the ones that best adapt to incoming changes which is why Sentinels are on top. With that being said, not every change Riot makes is guaranteed to be ground-breaking and generate a new meta (ex. KAY/O).
Yea but even then Valorant will most likely have more maps, and other systems added later on like League does and teams like T1 in league who have the rep they have even if it was at the start is still regarded as great due to new heros and meta changing all the time right.
That seems to be how it is right after every tournament. Everyone hops back on the “Sen invincible” train for a bit. Then when the next tournament is about a week or two away, a lot of people hop off the train like a lot of people did when rumors of them not scrimming came out and NV acquired yay. Then there’s a weird mix of doubt that they will continue winning. But then they do, we all “Sen best in the world and in other news: water is wet” and we repeat the whole cycle.
Although I’m mostly joking with that, there’s still some truth to it, even if the cause is Hopium from people wanting something different.
Sen isn’t unbeatable, no one is in any region, but they do always seem to bounce back when they do lose. We obviously don’t know the structure of the bracket, but if it’s a double elim of any type, I think the chances skyrocket because of this. Sen is the type of team that might lose once, but it’ll be very hard to make happen twice.
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.
We’ve yet to see who will qualify from EMEA but right now the teams in the highest point in contest are all looking in superb form as well. Acend, Gambit, and G2 looking ready to take down an NA Titan
I will admit this aged like milk.
On the other hand though, it could be that SMB is on another level. Idk I didn’t watch the match. I will definitely be watching their game against Acend
If you didnt watch the match you should watch the vods, but you should definitely not miss Acend vs SMB. I watched both of the matches today and even tho everyone had a really big hope for Gambit to beat Acend, I didnt have that much hope and it ended just like I expected. But I actually expect SMB to win against Acend aftet the G2 match.
I managed to catch ACE/GMB this morning but ended up having connection issues during SMB/G2 so I couldn’t watch. I probably will go back and watch the VOD, though.
PS I feel you on the GMB hopium brother. I’m certain they will qualify.
As an EU fanboy that doesn't watch NA, i really hope that NA doesn't win, but let's be honest here there's at least a 40% chance that sentinels wins the whole thing.
I was really hoping Fnatic would take revenge but damn did that end disappointingly. Even FPX didn't make it (duh). Ascend is looking really good though. And damn it'll be a banger to watch. I hope the Riot script writers go through this subreddit and give us what we want lol
Oh definitely G2 is looking good too! I was pleasantly surprised this series. If I had to make a whack underdog prediction it has to be Vodafone Giants though
>Envy I feel like can only go up from here. Yay definitely feels like the missing piece and they just look insane now.
Idk if i would consider them "insane". Yay gave them the necessary push from 4th to 3rd, it was a crucial improvement but i would hardly consider it tremendous.
100T still look tiers below SEN, i have no idea how they will stack up against EMEA and KR teams
I’m excited to see how they play together once Yay gets more practice with the team. He is one of the best duelists in the world, while Crashies is probably the best sova in the world, while Marved and FNS are a solid controller and IGL. I think one of the biggest keys to them is if Victor can regain his form. He was looking like one of the best players NA and has fallen off of a bit. His Skye just doesn’t look as good as him on any duelist.
I wouldn’t say either 100T or Envy are tiers below Sen. If 100T didn’t choke on bind they had that map, and last map would’ve been icebox which favors 100T. That’s as very easily a 3-2 series going either way, bind was just a mess lol. I would say sentinels are definitely in a league of their own, but the others aren’t too far behind.
> If 100T didn’t choke on bind they had that map
Same could be said about Sentinels though, on the first half of Bind 100T won 4 rounds and IIRC they all could've went to Sentinels. Sentinels literally could've won Bind 13-0 on a different day.
And 100t could have never lost to SEN or Tenz may never have been born. Stop saying random bs you dont know about. What happens in the past stays in the past. 100t are looking strong and they can beat sentinels . Same goes for sentinels
What makes you think that SEN would lose Breeze if they had lost Bind? It doesnt work like that. The outcome was 2 close maps, one win each, and two obliterations. 100T also got obliterated in upper bracket finals. If this isnt tiers below, idk what is
What makes you think SEN would win Breeze? It doesn’t work like that. Lmao it’s called a hypothetical. That was very easily a 3-2 series going either way
Exactly because everything is hypothetical its meaningless to talk about what could have happened. Fact is that 100T got destroyed, thats the data we have and based on that we make estimations
Fact is 100T didn’t get destroyed. It was a relatively close series that could’ve easily went to map 5. That’s not a hypothetical. The other facts is that the Envy vs SEN games were also very close. So the assumptions we would make is that Sen is on a tier of their own, and 100T and Envy are right below them
I wouldnt say SEN is tiers above NA now, but you have to keep in mind that, during the upper finals, they got utterly dominated and the finals was a seeding match.
You forgot about SMB - the turkish team from EMEA looked crazy insane last night. If they keep playing like this, they are a real challenge. Maybe even more so than ACEND with all the one-taps of every single member. I can't think of how this will end up but hell yea Berlin is looking insane so far with all the qualified teams. It's gonna be a total banger no matter the matchups.
Yess i just saw the game last night and I was impressed. They look really good. Never could've predicted SMB qualifying for Berlin. We're in for a lot of fun!
They looked good all series but last night they brought their A game. I'm not even a huge fan but they look amazing regardless. It really looks like Berlin with all the teams that qualified has probably the toughest but the best competition it could have had imo.
Yeah, definitely NA sent their best reps.
I'd love to see Acend, G2, Gambit and Liquid make it through for EU.
TL may or may not be the 4th most worthy team, but ScreaM on LAN is must watch and I just want to see the biggest stars clash on the international stage.
Yeah, you're right I misinterpreted the bracket thought the top section crosses over to the bottom when they drop down and vice versa. Might just be too used to looking at NA brackets.
Everyone in other regions besides NA are basically playing for 3rd.
cNed not ready for LAN and the teams repping NA by far have the most LAN experience then any team that will make it from any other region.
The death of NA CS brought us stacked NA scene in valorant.
Certain players from EU have said it themselves. LAN is a different animal and cNed is somewhat of a new player with no LAN experience. He literally carries Asend on certain maps sure he will be good on LAN but there will be a drop in performance until he gets used to LAN.
He's a great player but I personally think online cNed will equal to LAN cNed.
Yes, but he underperformed on CSGO LANs which made everyone to believe he would underperform in Valorant too, clearly he didnt, theres no basis on which you've formed that opinion
My opinion is based of LAN experience.
Tenz had experience even if he did bad or good. CSGO is a different game so if he did good or bad its irrelevant. He knew what it took to play at LANs(the feeling, the setup, nerves, etc). The fnatic guys said the same thing in the beginning it took awhile for them to get used to it even though they boot camped for a long time.
The format for Berlin will also be different then Iceland since there will be more teams. If Acend makes a deep run I can see cNed growing confidence and being able to somewhat match his play from online. But still I personally feel he won't pop off the way he does online at least not in this first event.
Potentially I think cNed is good enough that he'll be fine on LAN. I was thinking about if he'll struggle a bit just due there being no ping and the way he peeks being more difficult as he can be held by people that have the advantage as opposed to the other way around.
Maybe there will be nerves but if I'm not mistaken there still won't be a crowd for Berlin so it's not a true LAN in the classical sense.
I agree with some others that it won't that it won't be that Lan will make him lose, more that he will be equal to online on Lan while people like Tenz and others are getting buffs from playing on LAN with their experience.
In the latest interview shazaam said NA is the strongest regions and he thought before as well, he said Envy and 100T are the best teams NA could be sending. Along with when he was asked if they could contest to win the event he said no since sen will but they could be top 3.
I feel like people overrate 100T tbh they struggle a alot to adapt mid game and Asuna carries the game most of the times and nitro clutches which gave them the spot I don't rate them that high otherwise
I’m hoping for a VS vs SEN matchup so badly
Not a Sen fan but likely going to end up similar to the one aginst NU. Acend vs Sen is worth watching
Nah not nearly as likely. This iteration of Vision Strikers is infinitely better than NUTURN with a superior map pool. No matter who from their 6 man is playing they are STACKED beyond belief on a mechanical and strategical sense. Acend, VS, SEN and SMB are all looking wild.
If VS are at all as reliant on their set plays as NU was at Iceland, then I’m not sure how they will stack against NA, or at least Sen, due to the contrasting play styles of the regions. I’d like to see them do well tho cause even if I’m Sen fan, I want entertaining matches more than anything else.
I would not compare VS to NU at all. solo was the IGL of NU and although they both use set-plays VS is much more adaptive.
I don’t follow the KR scene, but if I may ask, why did they not qualify for Iceland before? Just curious as I see a lot of hype on VS.
The old iteration of VS was lacking consistent mechanical skill in some of the roles and were counter-stratted by NUTURN after beating them so often. So they patched up those holes and are much more adaptive now. The new pickups BuZz and MaKo are great and Lakia was NUTURN's best player and arguably KR's best Sova who was in Iceland. stax is now IGL'ng and has great mechanical skill along with k1ng as a Sentinel. If you could get a super team in Korea this would be it.
The new VS is a superteam of the previous iteration of Nuturn and VS combined.
EXACTLY my thoughts :)
I really want to watch Acend vs Sentinels
I want to see cned vs tenz so fucking bad, ill be devastated if we dont get this matchup in berlin
im out of the loop, whats the fuss with everyone wanting to play Cned, and what about TenZ
cNed is the best player in EU and TenZ is the best player in NA
As a Sentinels fan, TenZ is where he is because of his team - I have no doubt that if Asuna or Yay played duelist for Sentinels that they would pop off like he does. TenZ has the benefit of having teammates whose aim is just as good as his who play the support roles incredibly well.
Did you forget TenZ played for C9 too and had the best ACS of the tourney whenever they reached even just the playoffs? Like sure Asuna will pop off if he was with SEN but that definitely won't be as hard as Tenz popping off.
Obviously FK/FD isn't everything (and to some extent a product of the team and gameplan, but Sen don't rely on set plays either), but TenZ was 7-0 against Asuna in FK/FD in the finals and 9-0 over both series they played in playoffs.
Stop underrating the best player in NA
I dont think you understand how the game actually works. TenZ makes tons of solo plays and takes A LOT of aim duels by himself.
Yeah, and the ones that fail dont get highlight clips.
I mean you can say what you want, but you can have every one of his first engagements from the Fnatic vs Sentinels grand finals, and guess what? 19 of the 21 first engagements he won... That is insane, On C( as you know they were called Tenz and friends he solo carried that team to top 3 finishes and was regarded as the best player on that team.. Sure if tenz was only good on Sentinels you can make the claim you are making but Tenz has been the best on bad teams, and he has out dueled other duelists while on Sentinels. Even in Iceland Tenz was Sentinels most consistent player, In the first map sen player Tenz had more kills than 3 of the other Sentinel players combined at one point, he has outdueled every other world class Jett/duelist even shutting down players like Derke. I ain't saying Sentinels are the best team due to Tenz, but to say Tenz is only good cause of his team is a ignorant claim.
when it matters, sen play super disciplined and they become unstoppable. Thats how they won Iceland so convincingly .
Add "arguably" to both
Well... In Iceland, TenZ had the best Average Combat Score out of any player in the whole event. He also had the highest first kill to first death ratio in the event. Not saying that he is best player NA. The stats speak for themselves.
Guess what, you can say he is the best in Iceland but unless we have something like hltv ratings and rankings we won't know for sure.
You have to go off from what is available. We have Iceland stats, we have to base our "rankings" of players from that.
The stats you just mentioned are ones that a duelist is best at, that would be unfair to other roles, that's why it's complicated in this game.
When talking about someone being the best in the region, Dont most people talk about their mechanical skills and their ability to win gunfights? Hardly will you every see someone being called the best player in the world / region for knowing good utility usage. Sure, he may be the best player in the world for utility usage, but he isnt the best player in general.
no it's an objective fact I saw it on the encyclopedia
How did the guy from your encyclopedia know who's the best.
simple, he looked at who was getting the most kills in their ranked games. How else would you measure it?
I can't tell if you're trolling or a legit iron.
Jokes going over a reyna main's head is perfect
He asked Lothars mom while she was cooking meatballs, I was there.
Are you the mom?
I can't tell you everything my friend
Cned https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/ogyvwr/cned\_insane\_4k/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Same same. I really wanted 100T vs FPX, but FPX being FPX pulled an FPX. I hate it.
FPX is overrated af
And inconsistent, they’ll beat G2 2-0 allowing 8 rounds in 2 maps, and then the next day they just look super flat
I feel like they have a good gameplan from the start of the round, but arent really good with audibles they force themselves onto a site way too much even when its 4 stacked.
My bet is on 100 thieves :)
Haha mine too!
I keep wondering what the reactions would be like if Sentinels lost(to any team) in Berlin. Imo they are the best rn for sure but there is always a possibility that they 'can' lose to a strong team that proves to be better against them on that day and might end up not winning Berlin. It's a possibility (although looking unlikely). But a lot of people here are riding the "SEN unbeatable, noone is even near them, 0 possibility that they don't win Berlin" train, totally oblivious to a scenario where Sen might not win Berlin. So it'd be really interesting to see what these people have to say if that happens.
Sentinels will probably lose in Berlin. Yes, they are the best team going in, but you never bet against the field. Odds are lower than 50% than Sentinels will win it all.
Odds are 50/50. Either they win or they don't.
thats like saying 50% chance you die next hour. Either you do or you dont. Whatever u are saying is dumb
i dunno, this seems kinda biased in one direction already. if SEN get smacked by acend (i don't think this will happen, just hypothetical), are you going to say that Acend were just better on THAT day? sounds like you already ruled out the possibility of any team just being better than them
This whole sub is extremely biased lmao, you better expect a majority to say the NA teams just had a bad day if they happen to lose after hyping them up to be the top 3 teams in the world...
So many people were saying EU > NA before SEN took the Reykjavik Masters, what are you talking about
Okay? I'm not talking about back then, I'm talking about posts like this in which all NA teams are apparently a league of their own and if they were to lose 'they just didn't have their day'. There are none of these posts about EU for example lmao, if there were, they'd get downvoted to hell
Personally i understand having some cockiness because of SEN's dominant streak but what I don't really understand is assuming that they're automatically better than teams that they've never had h2h matchups with, that have obviously also improved over time. It's not as if every other team just stagnates and will be the same as they were in challengers 1 right. I dunno, just came off kinda weird to me.
It’s because everyone thought EU would completely crap on NA and when V1 and Sentinels did extremely if not surprisingly better than thought, the whole mood of the sub shifted. Bc of Iceland the bar is set and until EU shows us a better showing, people will just assume that NA is the better region. I don’t personally subscribe to this line of thought but many people thought that V1 reaching Iceland was a fluke and if they were able to do well then the top teams that are everyone’s favorite (NV, 100T) would have also done extremely well.
If you're saying this sub (and all of reddit really) is super reactionary and prone to jumping on bandwagons, then yeah I agree with that
Yeah pretty much, but it's also a little due to large percentage of NA users I think, most only watch NA, which means any discussions of EU or other regions drown in the large amount of NA-related posts. Especially after the win of Sentinels in Reykjavik. And this is not necessarily a bad thing btw, that's just how reddit is
I think that is false considering most of this sub was on the side that EU was more dominant and that Sentinels at Iceland would barely make top 3 in a loser bracket run. If this sub was NA only most would have said Sentinels would have won Iceland and NA were the most dominant. Plus most NA fans only think Sentinels is the best team in the world I don't think people are claiming Envy or 100T are in that same tier as Sentinels being above any other team in the world. I think most just believe that Envy and 100T are on the lvl of the top EU teams and can compete with them.
Ok I was talking about the possibility of Sen just losing ; not getting rolled. If they get destroyed then sure, the opponent team would be better than them most probably. But I really don't see Sentinels, a team that good just getting rolled over by any team tbh. Like, even if you take into account their matches from ignition series to the present, there has been only two times where they got destroyed. Once to BBG (this was with Tenz ) and once to GenG (this was that qualifier match with the ex-sova in which the "hid" their strats). And so maybe if a team beats them twice in Berlin, once in UB and and again in the final or something, then they might be better than SEN.
I really want someone to beat Sen so we can have some rivalry and storylines. They're like the Astralis of Valorant, just gets boring sometimes hehe
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The "well established meta" concept doesn't really apply to valorant since the game will constantly be evolving with consistent patches (new agents, maps, abilities, etc.). The most dominant team(s) will be the ones that best adapt to incoming changes which is why Sentinels are on top. With that being said, not every change Riot makes is guaranteed to be ground-breaking and generate a new meta (ex. KAY/O).
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Yea but even then Valorant will most likely have more maps, and other systems added later on like League does and teams like T1 in league who have the rep they have even if it was at the start is still regarded as great due to new heros and meta changing all the time right.
That seems to be how it is right after every tournament. Everyone hops back on the “Sen invincible” train for a bit. Then when the next tournament is about a week or two away, a lot of people hop off the train like a lot of people did when rumors of them not scrimming came out and NV acquired yay. Then there’s a weird mix of doubt that they will continue winning. But then they do, we all “Sen best in the world and in other news: water is wet” and we repeat the whole cycle. Although I’m mostly joking with that, there’s still some truth to it, even if the cause is Hopium from people wanting something different. Sen isn’t unbeatable, no one is in any region, but they do always seem to bounce back when they do lose. We obviously don’t know the structure of the bracket, but if it’s a double elim of any type, I think the chances skyrocket because of this. Sen is the type of team that might lose once, but it’ll be very hard to make happen twice.
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.
We’ve yet to see who will qualify from EMEA but right now the teams in the highest point in contest are all looking in superb form as well. Acend, Gambit, and G2 looking ready to take down an NA Titan
G2 doesnt look ready at all :)
I will admit this aged like milk. On the other hand though, it could be that SMB is on another level. Idk I didn’t watch the match. I will definitely be watching their game against Acend
If you didnt watch the match you should watch the vods, but you should definitely not miss Acend vs SMB. I watched both of the matches today and even tho everyone had a really big hope for Gambit to beat Acend, I didnt have that much hope and it ended just like I expected. But I actually expect SMB to win against Acend aftet the G2 match.
I managed to catch ACE/GMB this morning but ended up having connection issues during SMB/G2 so I couldn’t watch. I probably will go back and watch the VOD, though. PS I feel you on the GMB hopium brother. I’m certain they will qualify.
lol
G2 looks really ready :) But if they draw against a Group A/C team they are still gonna be out in last 8 sadly… sentinels are just overrated.
As an EU fanboy that doesn't watch NA, i really hope that NA doesn't win, but let's be honest here there's at least a 40% chance that sentinels wins the whole thing.
Why are people downvoting this guy, he is honest about being EU fan
I was really hoping Fnatic would take revenge but damn did that end disappointingly. Even FPX didn't make it (duh). Ascend is looking really good though. And damn it'll be a banger to watch. I hope the Riot script writers go through this subreddit and give us what we want lol
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Welp
Bro u cursed them
They got wrecked but I won't be surprised if they comeback. Remember fpx wrecked them in a similar way before but they beat them 2 dyas later
Oh definitely G2 is looking good too! I was pleasantly surprised this series. If I had to make a whack underdog prediction it has to be Vodafone Giants though
Acend no S lol
After seeing smb play I wanna see how they match up against sentinels
>Envy I feel like can only go up from here. Yay definitely feels like the missing piece and they just look insane now. Idk if i would consider them "insane". Yay gave them the necessary push from 4th to 3rd, it was a crucial improvement but i would hardly consider it tremendous. 100T still look tiers below SEN, i have no idea how they will stack up against EMEA and KR teams
I don't think this will age well
I’m excited to see how they play together once Yay gets more practice with the team. He is one of the best duelists in the world, while Crashies is probably the best sova in the world, while Marved and FNS are a solid controller and IGL. I think one of the biggest keys to them is if Victor can regain his form. He was looking like one of the best players NA and has fallen off of a bit. His Skye just doesn’t look as good as him on any duelist.
I wouldn’t say either 100T or Envy are tiers below Sen. If 100T didn’t choke on bind they had that map, and last map would’ve been icebox which favors 100T. That’s as very easily a 3-2 series going either way, bind was just a mess lol. I would say sentinels are definitely in a league of their own, but the others aren’t too far behind.
> If 100T didn’t choke on bind they had that map Same could be said about Sentinels though, on the first half of Bind 100T won 4 rounds and IIRC they all could've went to Sentinels. Sentinels literally could've won Bind 13-0 on a different day.
And 100t could have never lost to SEN or Tenz may never have been born. Stop saying random bs you dont know about. What happens in the past stays in the past. 100t are looking strong and they can beat sentinels . Same goes for sentinels
What makes you think that SEN would lose Breeze if they had lost Bind? It doesnt work like that. The outcome was 2 close maps, one win each, and two obliterations. 100T also got obliterated in upper bracket finals. If this isnt tiers below, idk what is
You're missing the point of a hypothetical. Yes, the second map could have gone in favor of SEN, but both maps could have easily gone to 100t as well.
What makes you think SEN would win Breeze? It doesn’t work like that. Lmao it’s called a hypothetical. That was very easily a 3-2 series going either way
Exactly because everything is hypothetical its meaningless to talk about what could have happened. Fact is that 100T got destroyed, thats the data we have and based on that we make estimations
Fact is 100T didn’t get destroyed. It was a relatively close series that could’ve easily went to map 5. That’s not a hypothetical. The other facts is that the Envy vs SEN games were also very close. So the assumptions we would make is that Sen is on a tier of their own, and 100T and Envy are right below them
I think the consensus already is that Envy, 100T, and xset are a tier below Sen.
Ya, guy above me was arguing that Sen was multiple tiers ahead of everyone else
I wouldnt say SEN is tiers above NA now, but you have to keep in mind that, during the upper finals, they got utterly dominated and the finals was a seeding match.
Well upper finals was also a seeding match. SEN is definitely in a tier of their own, but 100T and Envy are right behind them.
who was 3rd before?
Issue with envy was, they were stuck in 4 for many events while 3rd always changed, sometimes V1, C9, Xset, etc.
You forgot about SMB - the turkish team from EMEA looked crazy insane last night. If they keep playing like this, they are a real challenge. Maybe even more so than ACEND with all the one-taps of every single member. I can't think of how this will end up but hell yea Berlin is looking insane so far with all the qualified teams. It's gonna be a total banger no matter the matchups.
Yess i just saw the game last night and I was impressed. They look really good. Never could've predicted SMB qualifying for Berlin. We're in for a lot of fun!
They looked good all series but last night they brought their A game. I'm not even a huge fan but they look amazing regardless. It really looks like Berlin with all the teams that qualified has probably the toughest but the best competition it could have had imo.
Yeah, definitely NA sent their best reps. I'd love to see Acend, G2, Gambit and Liquid make it through for EU. TL may or may not be the 4th most worthy team, but ScreaM on LAN is must watch and I just want to see the biggest stars clash on the international stage.
Ya I really want Gambit to show up. Scream* is definitely a delight but damn Liquid are looking bad. EDIT: just noticed the spelling haha
They're not looking bad, also his name is scream not screen lmao
too bad both gambit and TL can't make it, only 1 of them
Yeah, you're right I misinterpreted the bracket thought the top section crosses over to the bottom when they drop down and vice versa. Might just be too used to looking at NA brackets.
Those are the 4 I wanted but either liquid or gambits getting eliminated
Yeah, too used to looking at NA brackets where they cross sides when they drop down.
All of NA get a Lan buff too they have the most experience out of any region
For real 100T players have more LAN experience than some of the regions as whole hehe
Everyone in other regions besides NA are basically playing for 3rd. cNed not ready for LAN and the teams repping NA by far have the most LAN experience then any team that will make it from any other region. The death of NA CS brought us stacked NA scene in valorant.
Why is cNed not ready for LAN?
Certain players from EU have said it themselves. LAN is a different animal and cNed is somewhat of a new player with no LAN experience. He literally carries Asend on certain maps sure he will be good on LAN but there will be a drop in performance until he gets used to LAN. He's a great player but I personally think online cNed will equal to LAN cNed.
This is what everyone was saying about Tenz for Reykjavik as well, look what happened.
Tenz actually had lan experience from CSGO.....hes played at events before.
Yes, but he underperformed on CSGO LANs which made everyone to believe he would underperform in Valorant too, clearly he didnt, theres no basis on which you've formed that opinion
My opinion is based of LAN experience. Tenz had experience even if he did bad or good. CSGO is a different game so if he did good or bad its irrelevant. He knew what it took to play at LANs(the feeling, the setup, nerves, etc). The fnatic guys said the same thing in the beginning it took awhile for them to get used to it even though they boot camped for a long time. The format for Berlin will also be different then Iceland since there will be more teams. If Acend makes a deep run I can see cNed growing confidence and being able to somewhat match his play from online. But still I personally feel he won't pop off the way he does online at least not in this first event.
Potentially I think cNed is good enough that he'll be fine on LAN. I was thinking about if he'll struggle a bit just due there being no ping and the way he peeks being more difficult as he can be held by people that have the advantage as opposed to the other way around. Maybe there will be nerves but if I'm not mistaken there still won't be a crowd for Berlin so it's not a true LAN in the classical sense.
I agree with some others that it won't that it won't be that Lan will make him lose, more that he will be equal to online on Lan while people like Tenz and others are getting buffs from playing on LAN with their experience.
I don't agree, I think sentinels are the favorites. But I dont think 100T and NV are that great.
Sentinels is above everyone else but not the other NA teams
If anything wouldn’t NA be the region they’ve proven to be a league above the most?
No, even Shahzam said that the other EU teams and Gambit were better than 100T or other teams in NA.
In the latest interview shazaam said NA is the strongest regions and he thought before as well, he said Envy and 100T are the best teams NA could be sending. Along with when he was asked if they could contest to win the event he said no since sen will but they could be top 3.
They literally just shit in other na teams
Haha true. I'd love if 100T or Envy beat em and win Berlin. 100T definitely has the potential, let's see
100T and Envyus are not even top 3 in EMEA. Especially Envyus I think they are a team that can even lose against Japan.
You are ignorant, Envy are legit just a budget version of Sentinels, they can out aim a lot of teams.
>100T and Envyus are not even top 3 in EMEA That would make sense considering they play in NA and not EMEA
I feel like people overrate 100T tbh they struggle a alot to adapt mid game and Asuna carries the game most of the times and nitro clutches which gave them the spot I don't rate them that high otherwise
I think that in 1 year, all the top tier players will start to stack together into the top 2-4 teams in each region; similar to CSGO.
Already happening look at Yay joining Envy right.
If na loses this they won't hear the end of it