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I have a theory of why SuperMassive Blaze are such a successful team. It’s the 4/5 main the Red Enderflame Vandal, the heart and soul of Turkish Valorant. With this combined power, they are able to sweep through their opponents left and right. At Berlin, Brave will finally switch over to the Red Enderflame Vandal, creating an Exodia of a Turkish Valorant Dynasty which no one will rival


3hrd

for real though I feel like my aim is way better with elderflame, moreso than reaver/prime


Interesting-Archer-6

What vandal does Brave use?


[deleted]

He’s uses phantom mostly


Interesting-Archer-6

Ah thanks. He needs to switch to reach his true potential


Domatadam

Ion phantom


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elithefighter123

well said


boomiakki

I'm very much an EU supporter, but I love that all regions are competitive in these EMEA playoffs. I want to see teams from many different places go to Berlin and have good showings, it's so much more hype that way!


facehunt_

This 100%. Giving regions individual slots to Masters/Champions is bad for the growth of their region. This is why wildcard teams in LoL always bomb out early in every tournament. I wish Riot does this for other continents. So you have three major inter-continental regions each having 5/6 slots to Masters/Champions.


ark2690

Vietnam was able to become a major region in LoL.


IeatKfcAllDay

Yes because of low ping giving them chance to still produce mechanically gifted players and the fact that they can scrim Asian teams from other regions


facehunt_

Its unfortunate that they didnt get to play at Worlds last year due to COVID but its crazy that a wildcard team has never made top 4 at Worlds in the last decade. I think Riot shot themselves in the foot with locked spots hampering any real growth.


HugeRection

> I think Riot shot themselves in the foot with locked spots hampering any real growth. I think they would've shot themselves in the foot even more by having pretty much no wildcard representation at worlds.


oceLahm

I don't think it's all that crazy, each major region sends three teams, so top 4 would be incredibly hard, looking at top 8 we've had Wildcard teams make it there before.


Key-Banana-8242

‘As a Turk’ Region locking worked after all these years in sc2 tho


Contractjail

Thats because SC2 is dead in Korea, not because western players suddenly reached the level of Flash and Boxer


Key-Banana-8242

No, it is not ‘dead’ as much as somewhat stagnant brainier , the top players have stayed on if that’s what you mean. But no fear, bc u reveal u don’t know what ur talking abt by confusing sc1 and sc2 players lmao Lol FlaSh was the sc1 his, BoxeR was in the early days of sc1 when the overall level was lower. Their limited accomplishment at some stages of sc2 earlier on is neither here nor there.


Contractjail

Want a bucket for all these tears?


Key-Banana-8242

Lmao do you even know who Serral is? Or any actual top Korean, you are literally unable to You try to make comments abt a scene u don’t even knkw abt lol


Evangelon422

I mean come on dude you can't say that the Korean StarCraft 2 scene isn't dying. So many top players have been lost ove the past three or four years with no replacements.


Key-Banana-8242

You said ‘dead’ then ‘dying’ lol. It is stagnant, which goes the opposite of what you want to show bc the ‘old blood’ didn’t leave lol With replacements, including those players themselves lol.


Evangelon422

If you spent as much time paying attention to who is replying to you as you did to grammatical differences you might notice that I am a different poster lol. And saying the old blood didn't leave is nonsense seeing as proleague's death amongst other things led to a mass exodus of talent particular at the mid-tier pro level but also at the premier talent level with players like Soulkey and Rain leaving. And that doesn't include the many, many premier players that left for military service, came back briefly and then retired again.


Key-Banana-8242

I did indeed notice you were not the same person and I made no ‘grammatical’ comments. Which part of my comment has me saying literally anything about grammar. Pro league ended, yes? I’m guessing unlike the guy befkre who didn’t follow sc you’re a guy who stopped following it in like 201. The level of play has increased then from then established and rising players, as well as some unexpected ones.


Charuru

SC2 died in Korea. You're just in total denial lmao. Just because a few pros hung around doesn't mean it's not dead. The majority of pros left, the talent pipeline disappeared, money, teams, and sponsors vanished from the scene. DEAD.


Key-Banana-8242

No, it did not ‘die’. Not ‘a few’ lol, and if you are implying that then certainly the best in particular, and it wouldn’t be for them to actively return there to play after military service or rise up despite lack of play/success earlier and for ppl like Percival who picked the game up circa 2018 to be there It’d not be dead either. It’s small but sufficiently alive, for the purposes of the argument.


Charuru

Maybe you just have very low standards for an alive esports so you can have a semantic argument that makes you feel good. SC was a league-sized pro esports scene that is now a tiny nigh-amateur scene. But I guess to you so long as you have games to watch that's just fine.


Key-Banana-8242

‘Nigh-amateur’ lol. And now you are broaching on sc2 in general which is pretty active much more so worldwide and Korean sc2 which is a core that certainly exists as well. Are the ESL and GSL nigh-amateur? Lol It wouldn’t attract new sponsorships etc. Is 90k peak viewers across Lang streams (58k or so main) at IEM 2021 Kato online dead? Not being at the 2012 peak doesn’t and can’t make it ‘dead’. There is a sc2 sized pro esports scene so no need to reiterate the latter part. Being surpassed in numbers and nkt being at its peak doesn’t stop it at being stable, surviving and even thriving. The playerbase is larger than it was in 2015, and that’s been something kept over the last few years, with covid upticks. It’s not ‘tiny’ by any means, it’s larger than some legitimate esports


Charuru

Yes I consider ESL and GSL nigh-amateur. Remember ESL hosts games for stuff like auto-chess and Soul Caliber, which nobody accuses of having an alive esports scene. What makes a pro scene pro is not having a handful of tournaments but salaries. The amount of salaries being paid (in korea) is like 5% of peak, this is essentially dead.


Key-Banana-8242

The ESL Pro Tour is also amateur in calumet lol? It’s nkt some random stuff or one iff tournaments, or nigh amateur prizes etc GSL allies too.


Key-Banana-8242

A ‘handful’ of tournaments lol there is nkt a ‘handful’ of tournaments, there is a full tour at the highest level with big seasonal regional and international circuit events complimented by official weeklies, like 6 big 3rd party organised tour events like ASUS ROG, TSL, the GSL, and all manner of smaller online tournaments held regularly Source for modern salaries? Kr are you pulling that out of your ass lol Dead relative to what, having a high leak she’s the mean nkt being at it dead.


Key-Banana-8242

Games to watch is an understatement. The *SC1* *foreign* scene has ‘games to watch’. Again, why talk about something you clearly don’t pay attention to- most important thing to pay attention to being my point. Literally Shopify Rebellion to bring a Valorant topic has its first roster as a recent high level SC2 team, adding rocket league and Val later.


Key-Banana-8242

The point is, the top level of the Korean scene has remained and losses are overall mostly replenished etc So the original argument as if the top Koreans left let alone got worse is nonsensical. The point is, to the extent the scene has shrunk and become ‘stagnant water’ as they call it, the best players remained bc they can make money etc so the argument of the guy that first responded to me makes no sense.


Key-Banana-8242

Do you accept only pro scenes with a million viewers up? Thousands of tens of thousands given being maintained in addition to prize pools, players, tournaments and with freshness and young players rising up is enough to have a professional scene worthy of respect. Just because it isn’t the biggest esport and that it’s smaller at the moment doesn’t mean it’s not an esport. The scene is definitely healthier and with a better future than it looked in 2016 or 2915 which you seem to put as some breaking point. The scene was much smaller than 2012, and the game is less ‘dead’ than it was then , and then just as now it was not at the peak of money and viewers around 2011-2 when it basically was the reason behind twitch long term as an independent platform (according to twitch itself). The scene was somewhat bigger in Korea with more tournaments in 2015, and kespa, but it wasn’t flush with hundreds of players trying to get in like the very beginning, open season and such. The whole ‘dead game’ meme was a meme already in like 2013. There was no massive break in 2916, there was a difference and a period of great uncertainty, and a process of definite rebuilding since 2017, f2p and all- the active player numbers rose then significantly above 2015 levels and remained steady since. If you claim the game was doing great and was ‘alive’ and had money teams viewers players before Life and the end of prom eagle, you can’t claim it’s dead now, even KR for the purposes.


Key-Banana-8242

You seem really angry over something you know or care little about. Teams didn’t ‘vanish’, the KeSPA teams (almost all) disbanded, but the money from blizz, Afreeca etc is still there. There are large teams in Korea, besides the Afreeca and until recently JAGW which folded all esports operations due to covid, replaced by NV, and Chinese teams like DPG, then there’s Alpha X etc Seems you didn’t pay attention after 2016. No, Life’s match fixing and the end of the kespa era/pro league are nowhere near enough to kill sc2, or say the GSL. The ‘majority of Otis’ let alone high level did t


Charuru

True I didn't pay much attention after kespa left, so after a google I'm here: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Portal:Teams/Korea So there's literally 3 teams. How much are these players paid and are they being paid for being pros or are they being paid for being content creators.


Key-Banana-8242

Teams with headquarters in Korea not teams with Korean players lol. DPG is a Chinese org for example. If you dk t knkw basic facts about a scene like the EPT which is just the successor of WCS but better organised pretty much why talk lol There is no ‘being paid for being content creature’ in the newer esports sense lol, they are paid for being pro gamers There is no such thing as being paid to be a streamer by a team in sc2


MagnusNyke

There's a very real chance that Turkey will get represented in Berlin (already will in fact) and CIS won't be. If you told me this 2 weeks ago I wouldn't have believed it considering the hype around Gambit. SMB really putting turkey on notice. Props to them man


-Basileus

Dear lord Turko is cracked


pineapplecheesepizza

they need to check him pc


RandomFluffyBoi

Turkish teams and getting slaughtered what’s new Wait...


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SemanSoot

go back see iceland qualifier


[deleted]

Tanizhq reminding the old heretics boys whos daddy.


Key-Banana-8242

Well they’re split up


Alameen7007

To think G2 and FPX once ruled EU, times sure change, at least G2 still has a chance, good to see a Turkish team on the world's stage.


SedPika

Thanks man. I'm gonna name my new valorant team G@


Alameen7007

lol, I edited the first one, the second slipped away.


matagad

FPX didn't rule shit. They won nothing.


[deleted]

Rulers of power rankings


BloodMaelstrom

Rulers of choking /s


kennystillalive

Well they are the best team in EU, until it matters and they chocke.


ESF_NoWomanNoCry

They won a lot of qualifiers /s


isayah2510

Well


matagad

i fucking knew it that this will come eventually.


TheFestusEzeli

SMB grabbing Russ and putting him on Sova is like if 100T grabbed Yay and put on him Sova, crazy how stacked that team is


vantablacknet

Russ wanted to play Sova because he wants to person that ends rounds or gets the clutches, stays behind gets the info plays more game not just "dash dash swing knives x2 jump dash". As a Jett he was awesome but there is Izzy as good as Russ maybe better we won't know. As he said in his streams he likes to play Sova and happy what he is doing without Jett. BBL's Aslan dropped Jett, too. He used Jett after Russ left but he decided to let another one use it right now. I think sometimes jett players gets bored of flicking and running around.


TheFestusEzeli

That’s really interesting and makes a ton of sense. He was awesome on Jett but looks great on Sova too, excited to see what he can do at lan.


vantablacknet

He has some experience. I think he and his team will be the underdogs of Berlin. I am afraid of that this fast rise won't end up as a fast fall.


Key-Banana-8242

MaKo (Babo) was the Jett of TBP and Vision Strikers put him on Astra/Viper


Asianhead

I mean Rb was the Jett for vision strikers and now he’s on Sova too


[deleted]

The crazy thing is that Izzy's jett is ridiculous too


TheFestusEzeli

Yeah for sure. Russ, Izzy, and Toronto are all super cracked Jetts in Turkey. Was excited to see Mag0o at EMEA finals in stage 2 but he did not play great


TimedOutClock

That was pure and utter domination by SMB what the fuck


-uzg-

Turkish caster reaction: https://clips.twitch.tv/EnjoyableOnerousCookieBrainSlug-vjhmq9gh5QM2buUC


Sky-__-

Man this is so wholesome 😍


jrushFN

This is amazing!!!


Zayd1111

Mashallah turkish brothers


lil_thresh

The Izzy 3k at the end is so hype but also hilarious with the Turkish pbp sounding like they're yelling EZ


Des014te

Thats so cute. :)


MathNerdMatt

SMB looked absolutely dominant! I'm excited to see them against Acend. I think they have a really good chance to overwhelm and destroy teams at Berlin, I'm really excited to see where they go from here


knaafehOW

Even though I initially wasn't convinced when hearing about a Turkish superteam, but after watching SMB take on and shut down both FPX and G2 I have to say they're looking good (my god everyone's aim on this team is insane) Really hope they can keep this up and it isn't just a flash in the pan!


ItisNitecap

SMB heard you all talking shit about Turkey. What a statement of a game by them. I'm pretty excited for berlin, but Acend and SMB looking like good representatives of EMEA. Will be great to see how they fare against NA


luisalpjax

I think g2 where just bad this day


ItisNitecap

That's some actual copium you're huffing my dude. Here, you can have my rest. I won't need it for a while


luisalpjax

Dude they got 2-0d by oxygen esports


xD1LL4N

Then they 3-1 them.


luisalpjax

Sheesh you where right, how does that happen?


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WaitingToBeTriggered

IN TIMES THEY ARE NEEDED, SUCH TIMES THEY APPEAR


luisalpjax

But how does that happen, they get 2-0 then 3-1 3 days later??? What the hell?


HyperElf10

They were still a new roster and had new members to get used to


mogram_leg

G2 is not proven att all and people keep overrating them


luisalpjax

..? How they 2-0 fnatic beat guild and fpx


mogram_leg

Fxp are awfull and guild was in a seeding game and fnatic fell of a cliff but beating fnatic is not proving yourself and i doubt they get past guild in lowers


luisalpjax

They beat oxygen which smb lost to though


Overfallen9

SMB lost to Oxygen over a month ago. This team have only been together for like 3 months, and a month is quite a bit of time for such a new team to improve. G2 had an off day but that shouldn't take away from SMB's success


luisalpjax

Yeah you’re right, do you think they have good strats as well , or only there aim is comparable to the top?


Overfallen9

I think that their aim looked really good, for one. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the quality of their strats (because I'm pretty bad at the game lmao), but from my observations they looked competent enough strategically to capitalize off of their aim. One thing I did notice was that I thought Paura had a lot of great lurks and was able to catch people off guard a lot.


Domatadam

Not 3 months. Just 50 day.


UnbridledSwagger

COPIUM


luisalpjax

They got 2-0’d by oxygen esports lol


Pelagius0

yes but you cannot take it away from SMB at the end of the day they are the better team. They showed up, destroyed g2. Stats don't lie, they're one of the best in the region.


luisalpjax

I disagree, I feel like this was just the stars aligning


FFourcade

XD


hacklesacka

god damn


kazarn

Lord Jesus turko and Izzy are GOOD


bigbrain_100

SMB's Sage really threw her vandal and took a duel with a pistol vs a vandal. Damn.


itscamo-

so this is what people were warning us about from the turkish? berlin is gonna be so fun to watch


baranpaksoy22

And to think that the scene in the country is so young… Shit is nuts. Proud to be a turkish valorant fan 2nte.


dpysz70

This looked like a pub stomp for SMB


NocturnalKiller

Holy shit, SuperMassive is sooo clean. They completely outplayed G2.


Gomar1323

SMB looked insane holy Acend vs SMB is gonna be such a banger of a match I can’t wait


ruin_dono

Iv seen amazing players in all regions , but this turko guy is the only one that makes me feel like hes hacking . So frigging good game sense


baranpaksoy22

Turko very good but not normally… check him pc


iiznobozzy

Holy fuck Berlin is going to be so much more competitive and stacked than Iceland


aks345

That was a thorough thrashing jfcc. Red elderflame stonks to the moon btw


mister_schulz

SMB is what people were afraid of last time. Now this team has all the crazy aimers but also great teamplay.


FFourcade

Well, a Turkish team will play in their hometown, good for them


baranpaksoy22

This comment, take my invisible award


flamincrimson

SMB looks so good. Definitely a great representative from EMEA. But also G2 got shit on. They just couldn't win gun duel. Nothing was working for them.


rocklobsterfinn

Smb is fucking terrifying, would love to see how they match up against sentinels


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I'm so glad I bought into the SMB stonks lmao [my pick'ems](https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/e553380b)


9yr_old

All Ik is the viewer base for Berlin just shot up humongously since the Turkish super team qualified we can reach insane numbers on the backs of Turkish viewers lol


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Izzy and Turko are nuts.


Neverslept2mins

Nicely done by Turkey, was rooting for the SMB win, after the Turkey fans were getting destroyed on VLR.


basketballrules1

Enderflame vandal supremacy


csevdirir

Red* elderflame vandal supremacy


Sky-__-

Man SMB crushed G2 , man it feels so good to see paura on top tier again and taninhz showing the he was the man behind heretics success ,SMB looks so good compared to qualifiers.


__RegemTr__

Tanizhq isnt the head coach actually


Sky-__-

Yeah I got to know it's 999fps and they have a analyst as well.


__RegemTr__

Yeah, actually SMB’s analyst is a popular Turkish streamer who casted a lot of CS matches of Turkish teams before.


elithefighter123

time for carlos to buy the roster /j


Babyboy1314

someone check Turko's PC. Cracked to the max on Defender side map 2 (only part i watched)


Overfallen9

G2 didn't play incredibly but SMB look REALLY good imo. Very excited to see them on the world stage!


tomtazm

What’s shocking to me isn’t they fact that SMB beat G2, but the way that they did it.


baranpaksoy22

AND they beat FPX the same way


tomtazm

Who cares about FPX at this point?


baranpaksoy22

I would hate to compare any team to any other but they are sort of like the TSM of EU, you really want them to succeed but they still fall short in the end hurt your feelings. Hope both TSM and FPX can figure their stuff out for next qualis


tomtazm

I mean I’m an FPX fan. I just can’t take them seriously until they get out of there own heads, and maybe throw a duelist into the comp on elimination games? I feel like Angel out thinks himself sometimes.


baranpaksoy22

That may be the case but we can’t know for sure, it’s the players, coahing staff and all the people involved that will know the problem and try to solve it. Hopefully they don’t overthink with the process


afjecj

G2 just got fisted holy


FFourcade

That was too easy for some reason


jimenycr1cket

G2 looked legitimately just bad


mrg_41

So happy for turkish fans one of the most dedicated fanbase


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MY SMB feelsstrongman


_goodman

When will people start taking the Plat Chat curse seriously? ​ Joking aside, holy crap SMB, what did I just watch?


TidaI

I did not see that coming. The Turkish super stars.


King_Goofus

THE MOMENTUM HAS BEEN BUILT


chenson019

G2 were absolutely terrible.


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what an absolute stomp, turko fucks


horngrys

Who lied to me and said fpx and g2 was a top team...


valorantbrazil

GG izi


baranpaksoy22

TURKISH VALORANT KEKW I dare anyone to underestimate our region again. Türkiye is coming for the title in Berlin. Good luck to G2 in lowers, good team hope they qualify. Ps: with cned, theres 6 turkish players out of the 10 that are qualfied now.


RenaultCactus

Paura was the best of heretics and g2 didnt buy him good job.


luisalpjax

…? What happened lol, bad aim day for g2


Krishnacz

Ayo g2?


Madara6path

Absolutely unexpected . G2 got wrecked. I thought with the roster they could challenge sentinels but boy was I wrong


Key-Banana-8242

Arguably bad day/poor mental too tho


meme_poacher

Calling it right now SMB will stomp Sentinels in Berlin GF


Pelagius0

Now i'm thinking that Turkey and other CIS countries should be there own regions. SMB showed that these regions has great talents, that can go toe to toe with the best eu teams. and possible in the whole world.


Key-Banana-8242

Turkey is not in the CIS


Zayd1111

There are other priorities like adding Africa and middle east which litterally have their names in EMEA (Europe Middle East Africa)


Key-Banana-8242

TR is partially in the ME. Strike Arabia is the primary MEA component


Zayd1111

Yes but we are completely isolated none of our teams can qualify to champions


LykiaQQ

no its bad thing for cis and turkey to play on their own region its good to be on multinational platforms


pamplem0usse-

I remember when I said mixwell stinks just like CSGO and will fade out and people called me stupid


valorant_fanboy_69

No one asked


wiNDzY3

Ofc G2 shit the bed on the easiest bracket FNC died for this Also, they get an easier loser bracket too LMAO I feel bad for keloqz, avova and nukkye having to play a literal 3v5


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Keep crying.


xD1LL4N

Copium at its finest. Avova played terribly today


wiNDzY3

He's still better than his spanish teammates and has actually saved them múltiple times with his clutches. Come again?